http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc

In article ,
"Steve B" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc

It'd sure be nice and cozy come come January in Minnesota too... and oh
so safe and attractive!

Jeeze, could you imagine the din of a simi-dense residential area loaded
up with these things? No one would ever sleep...

Amazing they even built a prototype, let alone production models.

Erik

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:58:09 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc


Very cool! "Hey, Mr. Jaywalker!" Vrooooooooooooom!
A human Veg-a-Matic!

--
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare;
it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
-- Seneca

On 2009-11-24, Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc

Very amazing indeed!

i

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:58:09 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc


Fascinating!!!

Change the prop to a steel one and put up a decent windshield with
good...good wipers and one could have all sorts of fun at an ACORN
sponsored street demonstration.

VVBG

Gunner

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc

They had a special on a while back on Jay Leno's vehicles. One was a
motorcycle with a helicopter turbine engine. They were discussing it, and
Jay said the big drawback was there was a 1-2 second throttle lag. You
turned the throttle on, and it was 1-2 seconds before it kicked in. You
shut off the throttle, and there was a 1-2 second delay until deceleration.
He said he rode it, but it was scary. When asked top speed, he quoted the
top RPM of the turbine, but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

This car would have the same problems, and would have to be driven on wide
open straight areas with little turning, stopping, or starting.

But it is unusual, and very interesting that some metal worker geek put it
all together with state of the art elements from his era. Quite a car.

Steve

On Nov 24, 1:44*am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:22:57 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 24, 1:44*am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.

The Stanley Steamer was about 50 years ahead of it's time, then the
auto industry took a left turn to internal combustion and never looked
back.

If they could mass-produce the boilers so they were an easy swap-out
when they had problems, they would be the answer to lots of our energy
problems.

Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

And with computers it could start and run itself safely, and only
need a few minutes warmup before you could drive.

We know how to build a suspension system now.

-- Bruce --

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:22:57 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.

The Stanley Steamer was about 50 years ahead of it's time, then the
auto industry took a left turn to internal combustion and never looked
back.

If they could mass-produce the boilers so they were an easy swap-out
when they had problems, they would be the answer to lots of our energy
problems.

Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

And with computers it could start and run itself safely, and only
need a few minutes warmup before you could drive.

We know how to build a suspension system now.

-- Bruce --

Hmmmmmmmmmm. That would be an interesting metalworking project. You'd get
to be in ALL the parades, get on Good Morning America, get to have lunch
with liberal political photo ops. That would be good. Except for the
liberal political photo ops part.

Steve

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:10:55 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:22:57 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.

The Stanley Steamer was about 50 years ahead of it's time, then the
auto industry took a left turn to internal combustion and never looked
back.

If they could mass-produce the boilers so they were an easy swap-out
when they had problems, they would be the answer to lots of our energy
problems.

Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

And with computers it could start and run itself safely, and only
need a few minutes warmup before you could drive.

We know how to build a suspension system now.

-- Bruce --

Hmmmmmmmmmm. That would be an interesting metalworking project. You'd get
to be in ALL the parades, get on Good Morning America, get to have lunch
with liberal political photo ops. That would be good. Except for the
liberal political photo ops part.

The boiler section is long proven nsafe and efficient, just dust off
the Stanley design, scale it up and down in fixed steps for future
backwards replacement compatibility (16" 20" and 24" sizes at a stated
output...) because they do wear out, and start building.

The burner and stoker (for solid fuels) and the control systems are
the big bugaboo that will take some serious work. Triple expansion
motors and Condensers are easy, but getting the cylinder oil out of
the water before you feed it back to the boiler it is always a
challenge.

Modernizing the controls and sensors so it can run automatically and
unattended isn't bad, they have continued building steam boilers - you
just have to miniaturize control gear built for a 100MW power plant
down to the proper size to work on a car.

But once the "Mainstream Media" finds out a conservative was working
on it to solve part of our energy problems, all that free press
disappears. Bill O'Reilly tops the bestseller lists for months, and
cant get arrested on TV or even reviewed in the MSM newspapers...

Sarah Palin writes a book, and the MSM puts fourteen fact-cherckers
on it looking for any tiny inconsistency...

But Al Gore lies his head off and not only doesn't get the data he
trots out checked, he gets all the free press they can throw at him.
Go figure.

-- Bruce --

On Nov 24, 11:54*am, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
...
* Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

-- Bruce --

"anything that will burn" makes the necessary emission controls a
nightmare.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Nov 24, 11:54 am, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
...
Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

-- Bruce --

"anything that will burn" makes the necessary emission controls a
nightmare.

Think Nukuler!

Let the Record show that Jim Wilkins on or about
Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:00:23 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Nov 24, 11:54*am, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
...
* Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

-- Bruce --

"anything that will burn" makes the necessary emission controls a
nightmare.

But with a steamer, it is external combustion. So the problems
attendant on internal combustion (high pressure and temperature
chemistry) aren't there. Now, it does have the potential for a
problem with particulates )fly ash, soot) but that is "smog" of a
different color.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:54:38 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:22:57 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 24, 1:44*am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.

The Stanley Steamer was about 50 years ahead of it's time, then the
auto industry took a left turn to internal combustion and never looked
back.

If they could mass-produce the boilers so they were an easy swap-out
when they had problems, they would be the answer to lots of our energy
problems.

Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...

And with computers it could start and run itself safely, and only
need a few minutes warmup before you could drive.

We know how to build a suspension system now.

-- Bruce --


One of my favorite online comics....

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php


Gunner

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:34:45 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


One of my favorite online comics....

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php

And you heard about it from who...?

cue the Jeopardy! theme, and toss the Estate of Merv Griffin two
cents for the royalties...

;-P

-- Bruce --

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.


Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.

Steve R.

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On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.


Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.

I got to drive a friend's several years ago. What a hoot! You needed
three hands to work all the controls to signal, slow down & make a turn.
No "vroom", just "chuf chuf chuf" as you accelerated.

Doug White

Doug White wrote:

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On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.


Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.

I got to drive a friend's several years ago. What a hoot! You needed
three hands to work all the controls to signal, slow down & make a turn.
No "vroom", just "chuf chuf chuf" as you accelerated.


I had one of 'Stanley Steamer's' old vans. Some idiot painted it
bright orange, without removing their signs. What a mess! Not only
that, he had bought it in Florida so it had no heater, which wasn't a
good idea in SW Ohio. I bought it right after I was released from active
duty to reopen my business. Only a few customers asked 'why'? but
agreed that no one would suspect it was loaded down with thousands of
dollars worth of parts and tools.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

"Steve R." wrote:

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" wrote:
...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.

Steve

I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.

Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.

Steve R.


I had one of their mid engine vans... ;-)


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc



hmmmm Flow-Thru Ventilation (tm)

Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc

I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
over the earth or going 120 mph.

Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
recognize the engine immediately...

http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg

It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:24:53 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc

I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
over the earth or going 120 mph.

Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
recognize the engine immediately...

http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg

It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.

He can keep it. Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
kludged on the nose of the crank... That's a little too far to the
"wing and a prayer" side of Homebuilt. A Lycoming or Continental
where I don't have to worry about an "Oh, ****..." moment.

And the instrrument panel is past sparse, and bordering on "guess" -
No compass, no electrical at all, no nav lights, no transponder, no
radio...

A Piper Cub, a Grumman Goose, maybe a Huey. But that's as far back
as I'm going to hop in - while conscious. You'll have to A-Team me.

And NO Ospreys, them things are death-traps.

-- Bruce --

On Nov 25, 10:33*pm, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:24:53 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg

It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.

He can keep it. *Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
kludged on the nose of the crank... *.

* -- Bruce ---

Look up that tail number.

jsw

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:24:53 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
over the earth or going 120 mph.

Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
recognize the engine immediately...

http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg

It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.

He can keep it. Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
kludged on the nose of the crank... That's a little too far to the
"wing and a prayer" side of Homebuilt. A Lycoming or Continental
where I don't have to worry about an "Oh, ****..." moment.

And the instrrument panel is past sparse, and bordering on "guess" -
No compass, no electrical at all, no nav lights, no transponder, no
radio...

A Piper Cub, a Grumman Goose, maybe a Huey. But that's as far back
as I'm going to hop in - while conscious. You'll have to A-Team me.

And NO Ospreys, them things are death-traps.

-- Bruce --


Bruce is a wuss.

You should hear a ford powered Pietenpol fly over - at 1600 RPM.

cavelamb wrote:
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:24:53 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
over the earth or going 120 mph.

Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
recognize the engine immediately...

http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg

It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.

He can keep it. Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
kludged on the nose of the crank... That's a little too far to the
"wing and a prayer" side of Homebuilt. A Lycoming or Continental
where I don't have to worry about an "Oh, ****..." moment.

And the instrrument panel is past sparse, and bordering on "guess" -
No compass, no electrical at all, no nav lights, no transponder, no
radio...
A Piper Cub, a Grumman Goose, maybe a Huey. But that's as far back
as I'm going to hop in - while conscious. You'll have to A-Team me.

And NO Ospreys, them things are death-traps.
-- Bruce --


Bruce is a wuss.

You should hear a ford powered Pietenpol fly over - at 1600 RPM.

The owner promises that I will, next month. I think
I'd take it around the pattern if he'd let me...

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:04:16 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

cavelamb wrote:
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:24:53 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
over the earth or going 120 mph.

Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
recognize the engine immediately...

http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg

It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.

He can keep it. Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
kludged on the nose of the crank... That's a little too far to the
"wing and a prayer" side of Homebuilt. A Lycoming or Continental
where I don't have to worry about an "Oh, ****..." moment.

And the instrrument panel is past sparse, and bordering on "guess" -
No compass, no electrical at all, no nav lights, no transponder, no
radio...
A Piper Cub, a Grumman Goose, maybe a Huey. But that's as far back
as I'm going to hop in - while conscious. You'll have to A-Team me.

And NO Ospreys, them things are death-traps.
-- Bruce --


Bruce is a wuss.

You should hear a ford powered Pietenpol fly over - at 1600 RPM.

The owner promises that I will, next month. I think
I'd take it around the pattern if he'd let me...

How does that go.... "There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no
old bold pilots..." I'm not being a wuss, I just like my skin. I've
grown accustomed to it, you see...

Something that old, and with the large wood content and miscellaneous
hardware and struts and wries holding it together, I'd want it
totally checked out down to darned near X-Raying the lumber.

And the engine has to come apart and gets Magnafluxed every once in a
while, just like any other aircraft engine. Which is kind of
difficult on a cast engine block like that.

Worse, when confronted with a tiny crack on a part that is very
difficult to replace, perhaps they are tempted to think "Well, that
little crack isn't that bad yet - I'll keep using it and watch real
careful for signs of it growing, while I locate another..."

The DeHavilland Mosquito came up here a while back... There were
mentions in the Wikipedia article about a few "unexplained crashes" in
Africa, till they figured out the humid region was delaminating the
glue in the molded plywood composite construction - they changed to a
waterproof urea glue and no more failures.

The Pietenpot Air Camper looks to predate those discoveries, and
it's structurally mostly wood...

It's a perfectly valid concern. And some people choose to stay
blissfully ignorant of the facts so they don't have to think about
them - and that's fine if they are only risking their own necks.

-- Bruce --