dbu` wrote:
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"Richard W." wrote:

You Should Know About Harry Reid's Government-Run Health Care Experiment
1. $493 Billion In Tax Increases On Health Insurance, Medical
Innovation, Payroll And Small Businesses Would Pay For The Bill. (Douglas W.
Elmendorf, Letter To Senator Harry Reid, 11/18/09)

2. Americans Won't See Benefits Of This Health Care Experiment Until
2014, But They Start Paying For It In 2010. (Page 13, Douglas W. Elmendorf,
Letter To Senator Harry Reid, 11/18/09)

3. Reid's Bill Allegedly Reduces The Deficit By $130 Billion In Ten
Years, But The Obama-Reid-Pelosi Spending Agenda Produced Deficit Of $176
Billion Last Month Alone. (Table 3, Douglas W. Elmendorf, Letter To Senator
Harry Reid, 11/18/09)

4. $465 Billion In Medicare And Medicaid Cuts Would Pay For Two New
Unsustainable Entitlements. (Douglas W. Elmendorf, Letter To Senator Harry
Reid, 11/18/09)

5. Health Care Costs For The Federal Government - And Your Family -
Would Increase, Not Decrease. (Page 16, Douglas W. Elmendorf, Letter To
Senator Harry Reid, 11/18/09)

6. A New Medicare Commission Of Unelected Bureaucrats Would Ration
Care. (Sec. 3403, H.R. 3590, Amendment In The Nature Of A Substitute,
"Patient Protection And Affordable Care Act," Introduced 11/18/09)

7. The "Doc Fix" Provision That Would Add $250 Billion To The Deficit
Is Not Included In The Democrats' List Price For Their Health Care
Experiment. (Page 17, Douglas W. Elmendorf, Letter To Senator Harry Reid,
11/18/09)

8. Taxpayer Dollars Would Fund Abortions. (Sec. 1303(a), H.R. 3590,
Amendment In The Nature Of A Substitute, "Patient Protection And Affordable
Care Act," Introduced 11/18/09)

9. A New Entitlement Program For Long-Term Care That One Democrat
Senator Called "A Ponzi Scheme" Would Be Created. (Douglas W. Elmendorf,
Letter To Senator Harry Reid, 11/18/09; Shailagh Murray & Lori Montgomery,
"Centrists Unsure About Reid's Public Option," The Washington Post,
10/28/09)

10. States Burdened With $25 Billion In Unfunded Mandates From Medicaid That
Would Force Them To Increase Taxes. (Page 7, Douglas W. Elmendorf, Letter To
Senator Harry Reid, 11/18/09)

Yeah...and ask any small business owner if they like this turkey of
government control. The individual taxpayers will like it even less.


But the millions of people with no health insurance at all, the people
with pre-existing conditions, or the people who are sick and can't get
insurance, they're going to love it.


Hawke

On Nov 21, 1:52*am, Hawke wrote:

But the millions of people with no health insurance at all, the people
with pre-existing conditions, or the people who are sick and can't get
insurance, they're going to love it.

Hawke

Some of those millions of uninsured people are going to be mad as
hell. They are going to have to pay for this insurance that they did
not want.

Dan

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On Nov 21, 1:52 am, Hawke wrote:

But the millions of people with no health insurance at all, the people
with pre-existing conditions, or the people who are sick and can't get
insurance, they're going to love it.

Hawke

Some of those millions of uninsured people are going to be mad as
hell. They are going to have to pay for this insurance that they did
not want.

Dan

Fortunatley there is a escape clause for those of us who dont
want no stinkin insurance. There is a opt-out for relegious reasons.
I think a lotta people gonna get relegion.

Best Regards
Tom.

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On Nov 21, 1:52 am, Hawke wrote:

But the millions of people with no health insurance at all, the people
with pre-existing conditions, or the people who are sick and can't get
insurance, they're going to love it.

Hawke

Some of those millions of uninsured people are going to be mad as
hell. They are going to have to pay for this insurance that they did
not want.

Dan

Fortunatley there is a escape clause for those of us who dont
want no stinkin insurance. There is a opt-out for relegious reasons.
I think a lotta people gonna get relegion.

Best Regards
Tom.

So when you get hit by surprise with a devastating illness, like Gunner did,
are you going to refuse treatment beyond what you can pay out of your own
pocket? Can you handle a $275,000 bill, like the one that he got? And if you
get a repeat, like a lot of heart attack victims do, will you be able to
handle another $275,000? I think Dick Cheney had five of them. Could you
handle five?

--
Ed Huntress

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On Nov 21, 1:52 am, Hawke wrote:

But the millions of people with no health insurance at all, the people
with pre-existing conditions, or the people who are sick and can't get
insurance, they're going to love it.

Hawke

Some of those millions of uninsured people are going to be mad as
hell. They are going to have to pay for this insurance that they did
not want.

Dan

Fortunatley there is a escape clause for those of us who dont
want no stinkin insurance. There is a opt-out for relegious reasons.
I think a lotta people gonna get relegion.

Best Regards
Tom.

So when you get hit by surprise with a devastating illness, like Gunner
did, are you going to refuse treatment beyond what you can pay out of your
own pocket? Can you handle a $275,000 bill, like the one that he got? And
if you get a repeat, like a lot of heart attack victims do, will you be
able to handle another $275,000? I think Dick Cheney had five of them.
Could you handle five?

--
Ed Huntress

Why do you think i would want treatment ?

Best Regards
Tom.

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On Nov 21, 1:52 am, Hawke wrote:

But the millions of people with no health insurance at all, the people
with pre-existing conditions, or the people who are sick and can't get
insurance, they're going to love it.

Hawke

Some of those millions of uninsured people are going to be mad as
hell. They are going to have to pay for this insurance that they did
not want.

Dan

Fortunatley there is a escape clause for those of us who dont
want no stinkin insurance. There is a opt-out for relegious reasons.
I think a lotta people gonna get relegion.

Best Regards
Tom.

So when you get hit by surprise with a devastating illness, like Gunner
did, are you going to refuse treatment beyond what you can pay out of
your own pocket? Can you handle a $275,000 bill, like the one that he
got? And if you get a repeat, like a lot of heart attack victims do, will
you be able to handle another $275,000? I think Dick Cheney had five of
them. Could you handle five?

--
Ed Huntress

Why do you think i would want treatment ?

Best Regards
Tom.

Unless you're seriously depressed and suicidal, the normal thing is for
people to want to live. Do you not want to live, if you have a heart attack?

--
Ed Huntress

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Do you not want to live, if you have a heart attack?

--
Ed Huntress


There are potential quality of life issues where i would prefer
not to live.

I am simply saying that some people have more faith in thier god
than they do in doctors and that is the reason for the religious
exemption in the bill.

Best Regards
Tom.

azotic wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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Do you not want to live, if you have a heart attack?

--
Ed Huntress


There are potential quality of life issues where i would prefer
not to live.

I am simply saying that some people have more faith in thier god
than they do in doctors and that is the reason for the religious
exemption in the bill.

That's fine Tom and a DNR would cover you up.
The fact remains that affordable health care requires spreading the total
burden over a very large population of patients/insured/covered.


--
John R. Carroll

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Do you not want to live, if you have a heart attack?

--
Ed Huntress


There are potential quality of life issues where i would prefer
not to live.

I've had a heart attack, and the living is just fine. It is for most people
who have had one -- those who got care. Those who didn't are dead.

I'd like to say that we can just let everyone decide if they'll be treated
or not but this isn't the Amazaon jungle. Someone is going to patch you up,
like it or not. Then they'll bill the rest of us for it.


I am simply saying that some people have more faith in thier god
than they do in doctors and that is the reason for the religious
exemption in the bill.

Yeah. But we'll still wind up paying to patch them up, just like Gunner.

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Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"azotic" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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Do you not want to live, if you have a heart attack?

--
Ed Huntress

There are potential quality of life issues where i would prefer
not to live.

I've had a heart attack, and the living is just fine. It is for most people
who have had one -- those who got care. Those who didn't are dead.

I'd like to say that we can just let everyone decide if they'll be treated
or not but this isn't the Amazaon jungle. Someone is going to patch you up,
like it or not. Then they'll bill the rest of us for it.

I am simply saying that some people have more faith in thier god
than they do in doctors and that is the reason for the religious
exemption in the bill.

Yeah. But we'll still wind up paying to patch them up, just like Gunner.



See, there is something wrong with that good Samaritan policy. Why
couldn't they just let the law of the jungle apply in Gummer's case?
It's what he says is best. I don't see why they couldn't make an
exception for him?

Hawke