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Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead
By MARK SCOLFORO (AP) – 19 hours ago
LEBANON, Pa. — A suburban mother who became a voice of the gun-rights
movement when she openly carried a loaded pistol to her daughter's
soccer game was fatally shot Wednesday along with her parole-officer
husband in an apparent murder-suicide at their home in Pennsylvania
Dutch country, authorities said.

Police released scant details about the deaths of Meleanie Hain, 31,
and Scott Hain, 33, but said more information would be released Friday
after their autopsies.

"I'm devastated. I lost my daughter. I lost my best friend. The
children lost their parents," Jenny Stanley, Meleanie Hain's mother,
told WGAL-TV. Stanley added that the three children, ages 2, 6 and 10,
are "hanging in there."
The children were at a neighbor's house by the time police arrived to
answer 911 calls from neighbors, said Lebanon City Police Chief Daniel
Wright.

"What they did or did not see as part of this is not something we're
going to release," Wright said.
Neighbors said the children ran outside and said their father had shot
their mother, but Wright declined to disclose what investigators have
concluded about how the deaths occurred.

He said authorities recovered more than one weapon from the home and
acknowledged reports that the couple might have been having marital
difficulties.

"I'm not going to confirm that now, but I'm not going to dispute it
either," Wright said.
Meleanie Hain had run a day care at her home, and children's toys
remain scattered in the front yard Thursday. A car parked in the
driveway bore a badge-shaped sticker that read "NRA law enforcement."

Hain made headlines in 2008 when she attended a soccer game of her
daughter's, then 5, at a park with a Glock holstered on her hip in
plain view. That upset other parents.
The sheriff revoked her license to carry and conceal a gun nine days
later, citing a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from
being given to people whose character and reputation make them a
danger to public safety.
A county judge overturned that decision but questioned her judgment
and said she had "scared the devil" out of people.

Lebanon County District Attorney Dave Arnold, who was at the scene
Wednesday night, declined to comment on the facts of the case.

"I'm a pretty big advocate for the right to possess and own firearms,
so I don't look at this as something where there's an indication that
stricter gun regulations are necessary," Arnold said. "Obviously
responsible gun ownership is the key to gun ownership."

The Hains' federal lawsuit against Sheriff Michael DeLeo and the
county, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and
prosecuted her maliciously, was pending in federal court at the time
of her death. Her attorney, Matthew Weisberg, said he hopes to
continue the litigation.

Weisberg said Meleanie told him about six months ago she and Scott had
separated, and three months ago she wanted to pursue a protective
order against him. She wanted to have Scott's name removed from the
lawsuit, but that never happened, Weisberg said.

"Whether they'd reconciled in the last couple of months, I don't
know," Weisberg said.
She claimed the sheriff's actions destroyed her baby-sitting service,
resulted in her children being harassed and made her feel ostracized
by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents. No one
answered the phone at the Sheriff's Department Thursday afternoon.

Scott Hain had worked in Reading as a parole officer for the state
Board of Probation and Parole since August 2008. He had worked as a
guard at the Camp Hill state prison, the state Corrections Department
said.
Neighbors said the Hains were not outgoing, and several said Meleanie
Hain wore her holstered gun regularly, walking the dog or going to the
grocery store.

Aileen Fortna, 51, who lives two doors away, told The Associated Press
that her husband noticed the two older Hain children running past
their house and crying. She watched as authorities removed the two
bodies overnight.
Fortna said the children told another neighbor that "daddy shot
mommy." A police chaplain answered the door at that neighbor's home
Thursday and declined to comment.

"I'm shocked at the whole thing," Fortna said. "I'm surprised she
didn't defend herself."
Mike Witmer, a 32-year-old maintenance technician who lives across the
street and about 50 yards from the Hains, said he was unloading
groceries when he heard a commotion at their house. Shortly afterward,
police swarmed through the neighborhood and told him to go inside.

"I'm pretty sure what we heard was the bang of the gun. It was a weird
sound," he said, expressing concern for the children. "I hope they're
OK and they get through the hard times they're in for the rest of
their lives."

rangerssuck wrote:

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Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead
By MARK SCOLFORO (AP) =96 19 hours ago
LEBANON, Pa. =97 A suburban mother who became a voice of the gun-rights
movement when she openly carried a loaded pistol to her daughter's
soccer game was fatally shot Wednesday along with her parole-officer
husband in an apparent murder-suicide at their home in Pennsylvania
Dutch country, authorities said.


Based on the lack of information, there are no conclusions to draw other than if he
actually started the violence, then she at least had a fighting chance.

Big population, lots of freak things you can find to support any position you may or may
not have.

Don't leave out, maybe it wasn't a murder-suicide, the husband was a parole officer, maybe
someone had a grudge?

Wes

On Oct 9, 6:42*pm, Wes wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
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Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead
By MARK SCOLFORO (AP) =96 19 hours ago
LEBANON, Pa. =97 A suburban mother who became a voice of the gun-rights
movement when she openly carried a loaded pistol to her daughter's
soccer game was fatally shot Wednesday along with her parole-officer
husband in an apparent murder-suicide at their home in Pennsylvania
Dutch country, authorities said.

Based on the lack of information, there are no conclusions to draw other than if he
actually started the violence, then she at least had a fighting chance.

Maybe, but she's dead anyway.


Big population, lots of freak things you can find to support any position you may or may
not have.

I'm not trying to support any position. "offered without comment" was
the title of the post. I just thought this was the kind of news story
that was relevant to the discussion around here.


Don't leave out, maybe it wasn't a murder-suicide, the husband was a parole officer, maybe
someone had a grudge?

Maybe, but then all the guns in the house didn't protect them.


Wes

"William Wixon" wrote in message
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The Florida church where John Tabutt was to marry his fiancee this weekend
will instead host the woman's funeral following what police say was a
"tragic accident." Tabutt, 62, shot his girlfriend Friday night thinking
she was an intruder.


Man accidently shoots fiancee, thinking she's a home intruder during the
night.
On the night before their wedding, Tabbutt frantically called 911 after
realizing he had shot his fiancee Nancy Dinsmore, also 62, in their Winter
Springs, Fla., home.

"I thought I had an intruder in my house. ... I shot the intruder, but the
intruder was my wife," Tabutt told 911.

"We were supposed to get married this Saturday," he said

Probably just an extreme case of cold feet -- aided by a .38 Special.

--
Ed Huntress

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"William Wixon" wrote in message
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The Florida church where John Tabutt was to marry his fiancee this
weekend will instead host the woman's funeral following what police say
was a "tragic accident." Tabutt, 62, shot his girlfriend Friday night
thinking she was an intruder.


Man accidently shoots fiancee, thinking she's a home intruder during the
night.
On the night before their wedding, Tabbutt frantically called 911 after
realizing he had shot his fiancee Nancy Dinsmore, also 62, in their
Winter Springs, Fla., home.

"I thought I had an intruder in my house. ... I shot the intruder, but
the intruder was my wife," Tabutt told 911.

"We were supposed to get married this Saturday," he said

Probably just an extreme case of cold feet -- aided by a .38 Special.

--
Ed Huntress



sorry for laughing! holy **** i BURST out laughing when i read that ed.
aw. not supposed to joke or laugh about an incident like that but your
comment was totally unexpected. (LOL!) i'm sorry for those folks.
tragic.

b.w.

Sometimes I hate myself for it afterward, but talking online here has really
brought out a streak of black humor in me. d8-)

It is tragic. And it's scary. Fortunately, it's also extremely rare, but
that doesn't help that man or that woman.

--
Ed Huntress

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/dramat...ory?id=8802851



The Florida church where John Tabutt was to marry his fiancee this weekend
will instead host the woman's funeral following what police say was a
"tragic accident." Tabutt, 62, shot his girlfriend Friday night thinking she
was an intruder.


Man accidently shoots fiancee, thinking she's a home intruder during the
night.
On the night before their wedding, Tabbutt frantically called 911 after
realizing he had shot his fiancee Nancy Dinsmore, also 62, in their Winter
Springs, Fla., home.

"I thought I had an intruder in my house. ... I shot the intruder, but the
intruder was my wife," Tabutt told 911.

"We were supposed to get married this Saturday," he said

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"William Wixon" wrote in message
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http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/dramat...ory?id=8802851



The Florida church where John Tabutt was to marry his fiancee this
weekend will instead host the woman's funeral following what police say
was a "tragic accident." Tabutt, 62, shot his girlfriend Friday night
thinking she was an intruder.


Man accidently shoots fiancee, thinking she's a home intruder during the
night.
On the night before their wedding, Tabbutt frantically called 911 after
realizing he had shot his fiancee Nancy Dinsmore, also 62, in their
Winter Springs, Fla., home.

"I thought I had an intruder in my house. ... I shot the intruder, but
the intruder was my wife," Tabutt told 911.

"We were supposed to get married this Saturday," he said

Probably just an extreme case of cold feet -- aided by a .38 Special.

--
Ed Huntress



sorry for laughing! holy **** i BURST out laughing when i read that ed.
aw. not supposed to joke or laugh about an incident like that but your
comment was totally unexpected. (LOL!) i'm sorry for those folks. tragic.

b.w.

Ed Huntress wrote:
"William Wixon" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"William Wixon" wrote in message
...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/dramat...ory?id=8802851



The Florida church where John Tabutt was to marry his fiancee this
weekend will instead host the woman's funeral following what
police say was a "tragic accident." Tabutt, 62, shot his
girlfriend Friday night thinking she was an intruder.


Man accidently shoots fiancee, thinking she's a home intruder
during the night.
On the night before their wedding, Tabbutt frantically called 911
after realizing he had shot his fiancee Nancy Dinsmore, also 62,
in their Winter Springs, Fla., home.

"I thought I had an intruder in my house. ... I shot the intruder,
but the intruder was my wife," Tabutt told 911.

"We were supposed to get married this Saturday," he said

Probably just an extreme case of cold feet -- aided by a .38
Special.

--
Ed Huntress



sorry for laughing! holy **** i BURST out laughing when i read that
ed. aw. not supposed to joke or laugh about an incident like that
but your comment was totally unexpected. (LOL!) i'm sorry for
those folks. tragic.

b.w.

Sometimes I hate myself for it afterward, but talking online here has
really brought out a streak of black humor in me. d8-)

It is tragic. And it's scary. Fortunately, it's also extremely rare,
but that doesn't help that man or that woman.

It might if he can claim her property as his own.
LOL


--
John R. Carroll

Ed Huntress wrote:
"William Wixon" wrote in message
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http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/dramat...ory?id=8802851



The Florida church where John Tabutt was to marry his fiancee this weekend
will instead host the woman's funeral following what police say was a
"tragic accident." Tabutt, 62, shot his girlfriend Friday night thinking
she was an intruder.


Man accidently shoots fiancee, thinking she's a home intruder during the
night.
On the night before their wedding, Tabbutt frantically called 911 after
realizing he had shot his fiancee Nancy Dinsmore, also 62, in their Winter
Springs, Fla., home.

"I thought I had an intruder in my house. ... I shot the intruder, but the
intruder was my wife," Tabutt told 911.

"We were supposed to get married this Saturday," he said

Probably just an extreme case of cold feet -- aided by a .38 Special.


Or maybe she was reaching for something shiny in her "waistband".

Hawke