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I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they
deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:21:20 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve The #200 are large rifle primers. Cabela's price is $32.99 per 1000 when/if they have any. The brass is worth more if it's new than if it's been fired. For some new brass and ammo prices check www.midwayusa.com Used .30-06 brass is $207 per thousand from one online source with none presently in stock. |
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SteveB wrote:
I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve If the primers have been in conditioned space they're OK - I just paid right at 50 for a package of Fed 210M LR match primers . The brass goes for around a dime/each , and the ammo prolly 20 bucks a box . If that ammo is 7.7 Japanese , for the Arisaka type 99 rifle , I might be interested . Depends on shipping costs too ... -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF |
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"Snag" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve If the primers have been in conditioned space they're OK - I just paid right at 50 for a package of Fed 210M LR match primers . The brass goes for around a dime/each , and the ammo prolly 20 bucks a box . If that ammo is 7.7 Japanese , for the Arisaka type 99 rifle , I might be interested . Depends on shipping costs too ... -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF Flat rate priority mail, but what's the rules on shipping ammo? I doubt the PO will allow it if they know about it, that is............. Steve |
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SteveB wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve If the primers have been in conditioned space they're OK - I just paid right at 50 for a package of Fed 210M LR match primers . The brass goes for around a dime/each , and the ammo prolly 20 bucks a box . If that ammo is 7.7 Japanese , for the Arisaka type 99 rifle , I might be interested . Depends on shipping costs too ... -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF Flat rate priority mail, but what's the rules on shipping ammo? I doubt the PO will allow it if they know about it, that is............. Steve God help us if we get caught shippin' ammo on the sly . Be best to keep this one above board ... I'll do some checkin on the regs , but I believe ammo falls under the class b or c explosives rules - and probably have the same rules as for instance model rocket motors . I'll check with UPS on tuesday . -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:21:20 -0600, "SteveB" wrote:
I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 06 ammo is about a dollar a round to 1.50 a round at current pricing. Normally its about .50 cents a round. (depends on brand and bullet as well) Brass, if once fired is worth a dime each. The jap ammo, if boxer primed and in good shape are worth about $1-2 each for once fired cases. Hard to find and not very common. And nearly impossible to make from other cases. Ive paid $2.50 a round for once fired 7.7 jap. If its 7.5 marked..its possible to be Swiss or even French caliber. ..... Hope that helps Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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On 2009-09-06, SteveB wrote:
I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. As far as I know, the new (non-corrosive) primers last forever, but not so when it comes to the old, WWII vintage corrosive primers. I still have some WWII or post WWII vintage corrosive ammunition. (7.62x54, unknown country of origin) The only plus of it was that it was cheap. Appriximately one out of four or five rounds is a dud. That's OK with me, as I use it at gun ranges only. i |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:21:20 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 06 ammo is about a dollar a round to 1.50 a round at current pricing. Normally its about .50 cents a round. (depends on brand and bullet as well) Brass, if once fired is worth a dime each. The jap ammo, if boxer primed and in good shape are worth about $1-2 each for once fired cases. Hard to find and not very common. And nearly impossible to make from other cases. Ive paid $2.50 a round for once fired 7.7 jap. If its 7.5 marked..its possible to be Swiss or even French caliber. .... Hope that helps Gunner 7.7's can be fire-formed from '06 brass - but the neck will be short . I've got 20 rounds (semi-commercial reloads , from '06 brass), but out of 5 rounds I've fired , I got two head seps , one shoulder crack , and two split necks . It might be that my type 99 has excessive headspace , or it might be that these were loaded way too hot . I need to get it checked ... wouldn't happen to have a go-no go set for 7.7 , would you ? -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:56:24 -0500, "Snag" wrote:
SteveB wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve If the primers have been in conditioned space they're OK - I just paid right at 50 for a package of Fed 210M LR match primers . The brass goes for around a dime/each , and the ammo prolly 20 bucks a box . If that ammo is 7.7 Japanese , for the Arisaka type 99 rifle , I might be interested . Depends on shipping costs too ... Humm..he is selling? ****...beat me to it. Id be interested in the Jap if you dont take it. Ive got an absolutely cherry Last Ditch I like to shoot now and then with cast bullets. And my brass is from the 1950s..and fired many times. $50 for Federals? Dayam.....glad that Ive got xx000 primers on hand. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:55:05 -0500, Ignoramus11113
wrote: On 2009-09-06, SteveB wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. As far as I know, the new (non-corrosive) primers last forever, but not so when it comes to the old, WWII vintage corrosive primers. I still have some WWII or post WWII vintage corrosive ammunition. (7.62x54, unknown country of origin) The only plus of it was that it was cheap. Appriximately one out of four or five rounds is a dud. That's OK with me, as I use it at gun ranges only. i Ive bought a ****load of Russian, and never had a dud. Some of it is early 1950s. I rather like my Finns G Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 12 per thousand? 17-22 sounds closer to the going price a year ago. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"SteveB" wrote:
Flat rate priority mail, but what's the rules on shipping ammo? I doubt the PO will allow it if they know about it, that is............. UPS will ship it. Box will get an ORM-D sticker. Forget about ammo and the postoffice. 341.21 Nonmailable Explosives Nonmailable explosives found in the mailstream must be immediately reported in accordance with POM 139.117. Nonmailable explosives include, but are not limited to, the following: a. Common Fireworks. Fireworks are classified as Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosives depending on the degree of hazard. Fireworks include roman candles, skyrockets, helicopter-type rockets, cylindrical and cone fountains, pyrotechnic wheels, illuminating torches, firecrackers, salutes, and combinations of items that are designed to produce any of the aforementioned types of effects. All types of fireworks are prohibited from mailing. b. Fuses. Fuses are classified as Division 1.3 or 1.4 explosives depending on the degree of hazard. All types of fuses (except safety fuses as permitted under 341.22) are prohibited from mailing. c. Small Arms Ammunition. Ammunition is classified as a Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosive, depending on the degree of hazard. Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Snag" wrote:
7.7's can be fire-formed from '06 brass - but the neck will be short . I've got 20 rounds (semi-commercial reloads , from '06 brass), but out of 5 rounds I've fired , I got two head seps , one shoulder crack , and two split necks . It might be that my type 99 has excessive headspace , or it might be that these were loaded way too hot . I need to get it checked ... wouldn't happen to have a go-no go set for 7.7 , would you ? The case head diam of 06 cartridges is too small. I have two arisaka's and a fair investment in Norma 7.7 brass. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On 2009-09-06, Gunner Asch wrote:
I still have some WWII or post WWII vintage corrosive ammunition. (7.62x54, unknown country of origin) The only plus of it was that it was cheap. Appriximately one out of four or five rounds is a dud. That's OK with me, as I use it at gun ranges only. i Ive bought a ****load of Russian, and never had a dud. Some of it is early 1950s. I rather like my Finns G I like my Finnish Mosin Nagant too. (it is a Finnish conversion of an originally Soviet rifle). Who knows where the ammo was made. I am almost completely done with that ammo anyway. i |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:15:54 -0500, "Snag" wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:21:20 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 06 ammo is about a dollar a round to 1.50 a round at current pricing. Normally its about .50 cents a round. (depends on brand and bullet as well) Brass, if once fired is worth a dime each. The jap ammo, if boxer primed and in good shape are worth about $1-2 each for once fired cases. Hard to find and not very common. And nearly impossible to make from other cases. Ive paid $2.50 a round for once fired 7.7 jap. If its 7.5 marked..its possible to be Swiss or even French caliber. .... Hope that helps Gunner 7.7's can be fire-formed from '06 brass - but the neck will be short . I've got 20 rounds (semi-commercial reloads , from '06 brass), but out of 5 rounds I've fired , I got two head seps , one shoulder crack , and two split necks . It might be that my type 99 has excessive headspace , or it might be that these were loaded way too hot . I need to get it checked ... wouldn't happen to have a go-no go set for 7.7 , would you ? Ah...check the base specs when converting 06 to 7.7....the 06 is about ..020 smaller at the web than is the 7.7. When you fire formed those cases..they got balloon shaped at the base..and when you fired normal velocity loads..they started to go and head seperate. No..I dont, but its easy to check with a mic or caliper. Simply mic em out at the web. (flash hole area on the outside) Neck and shoulders are easy to take care of with a little propane torch and a bowl of water. Simple stand em up in the bowl, fill with water so the neck and shoulder are above the water line, heat em with the torch until they are a faint dull red, and then kick em over into the water. Neck annealing is required when setting the shoulder that far back when doing an 06 to 7.7 conversion. The Japs were pretty good about headspacing em right. Even on the very late war Last Ditch rifles. As long as the bolt serial matches the receiver serial, Ive never seen a bad headspace on a jap. And Ive checked at least 100 or more. I have a number of conversions based on the japs..decent receiver for making a heavy barrel action cheap. And the Jap action is the strongest..bar none...strongest military action ever made before 1980 Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:07:22 -0400, Wes wrote:
"Snag" wrote: 7.7's can be fire-formed from '06 brass - but the neck will be short . I've got 20 rounds (semi-commercial reloads , from '06 brass), but out of 5 rounds I've fired , I got two head seps , one shoulder crack , and two split necks . It might be that my type 99 has excessive headspace , or it might be that these were loaded way too hot . I need to get it checked ... wouldn't happen to have a go-no go set for 7.7 , would you ? The case head diam of 06 cartridges is too small. I have two arisaka's and a fair investment in Norma 7.7 brass. Wes Ayup. They are usable,...but keep velocity down to cast bullet speeds or the heads will indeed come off..particularly if they are reloaded from other fired cases before after conversion. Im having a stroke moment..but there is another cartridge that works better than the 06...Ill have to ponder on it for a bit. Nope..never mind..I was thinking about the 6.5 jap. Sigh... I see Norma is making 7.7 again...its about a buck a round for new unprimed cases. Gun auction sites are selling it. Lots of Japs collecting dust in cabinets that could be shot quite accurately and with good effect and fun. The 6.5s are great fun and the brass is fairly easy to convert from the 308, but will take several steps to get it down to the right size, so lube well, lube often and so forth. G But...my favorite 6.5 is the Swede...Ive several Finn versions, some Ive converted to sniper rifles..and are very very accurate and the brass is easy to make or purchase. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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"Snag" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Snag" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve If the primers have been in conditioned space they're OK - I just paid right at 50 for a package of Fed 210M LR match primers . The brass goes for around a dime/each , and the ammo prolly 20 bucks a box . If that ammo is 7.7 Japanese , for the Arisaka type 99 rifle , I might be interested . Depends on shipping costs too ... -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF Flat rate priority mail, but what's the rules on shipping ammo? I doubt the PO will allow it if they know about it, that is............. Steve God help us if we get caught shippin' ammo on the sly . Be best to keep this one above board ... I'll do some checkin on the regs , but I believe ammo falls under the class b or c explosives rules - and probably have the same rules as for instance model rocket motors . I'll check with UPS on tuesday . -- Snag You want the ought six stuff, too? |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:27:30 -0400, Wes wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 12 per thousand? 17-22 sounds closer to the going price a year ago. Wes Shrug..I bought 8000 at the gun show in Bakersfield in August. $12 per thousand. I had a feeling that I needed to stock up..didnt know why at the time. I think Ive got somewhere around 60,000 primer on hand. Most are in storage of course. I tend to stock up every couple years or so. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:21:06 -0500, Ignoramus11113
wrote: On 2009-09-06, Gunner Asch wrote: I still have some WWII or post WWII vintage corrosive ammunition. (7.62x54, unknown country of origin) The only plus of it was that it was cheap. Appriximately one out of four or five rounds is a dud. That's OK with me, as I use it at gun ranges only. i Ive bought a ****load of Russian, and never had a dud. Some of it is early 1950s. I rather like my Finns G I like my Finnish Mosin Nagant too. (it is a Finnish conversion of an originally Soviet rifle). Who knows where the ammo was made. I am almost completely done with that ammo anyway. i Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
12 per thousand? 17-22 sounds closer to the going price a year ago. Wes Shrug..I bought 8000 at the gun show in Bakersfield in August. $12 per thousand. I had a feeling that I needed to stock up..didnt know why at the time. I think Ive got somewhere around 60,000 primer on hand. Most are in storage of course. I tend to stock up every couple years or so. Damn, I checked Quicken back to 2000 and the best deal I ever got was 17 bucks. I used to think .22 ammo could be currency but I'm thinking like silver and gold, primers might also be a good investment if shtf. Wes |
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On 2009-09-07, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:21:06 -0500, Ignoramus11113 wrote: On 2009-09-06, Gunner Asch wrote: I still have some WWII or post WWII vintage corrosive ammunition. (7.62x54, unknown country of origin) The only plus of it was that it was cheap. Appriximately one out of four or five rounds is a dud. That's OK with me, as I use it at gun ranges only. i Ive bought a ****load of Russian, and never had a dud. Some of it is early 1950s. I rather like my Finns G I like my Finnish Mosin Nagant too. (it is a Finnish conversion of an originally Soviet rifle). Who knows where the ammo was made. I am almost completely done with that ammo anyway. i Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. M39, VKT or some such. On my todo list is to make a removable bayonet mount. (not authentic looking) I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. This rifle is a lot of rifle for little money. Very good for training purposes, as recoil is very tolerable because the rifle is very heavy. i Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:15:54 -0500, "Snag" wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:21:20 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 06 ammo is about a dollar a round to 1.50 a round at current pricing. Normally its about .50 cents a round. (depends on brand and bullet as well) Brass, if once fired is worth a dime each. The jap ammo, if boxer primed and in good shape are worth about $1-2 each for once fired cases. Hard to find and not very common. And nearly impossible to make from other cases. Ive paid $2.50 a round for once fired 7.7 jap. If its 7.5 marked..its possible to be Swiss or even French caliber. .... Hope that helps Gunner 7.7's can be fire-formed from '06 brass - but the neck will be short . I've got 20 rounds (semi-commercial reloads , from '06 brass), but out of 5 rounds I've fired , I got two head seps , one shoulder crack , and two split necks . It might be that my type 99 has excessive headspace , or it might be that these were loaded way too hot . I need to get it checked ... wouldn't happen to have a go-no go set for 7.7 , would you ? Ah...check the base specs when converting 06 to 7.7....the 06 is about .020 smaller at the web than is the 7.7. When you fire formed those cases..they got balloon shaped at the base..and when you fired normal velocity loads..they started to go and head seperate. I didn't do these , they were purchased at a gun show . And both Sierra and Speer handloading manuals say the head dimensions are virtually identical . In fact , the '06 is .020 bigger at the shoulder ... how ever , miked fired cases tell another story . At .375 from the head , the fired case mikes .478 , which just shouldn't be . Unfired case mikes .466 , which is a lot closer to what I'd expect . I should check the (new and unused ....yet) reloading dies ... No..I dont, but its easy to check with a mic or caliper. Simply mic em out at the web. (flash hole area on the outside) At the datum line .150 from the head , both cases (fired and unfired) mike at .464 , a bit smaller than I'd expect . BTW , these are LC mil brass that have been reformed . Neck and shoulders are easy to take care of with a little propane torch and a bowl of water. Simple stand em up in the bowl, fill with water so the neck and shoulder are above the water line, heat em with the torch until they are a faint dull red, and then kick em over into the water. Neck annealing is required when setting the shoulder that far back when doing an 06 to 7.7 conversion. I checked those cases again , my memory was faulty . Got six fired cases , three split necks and all with the bulge ahead of the web . And all primers show signs of excessive pressure - swedged hard into the bolt face and firing pin , outside edge of primer cup shows definite signs of excessive pressure . These cases show no signs of annealing . The Japs were pretty good about headspacing em right. Even on the very late war Last Ditch rifles. As long as the bolt serial matches the receiver serial, Ive never seen a bad headspace on a jap. And Ive checked at least 100 or more. I have a number of conversions based on the japs..decent receiver for making a heavy barrel action cheap. And the Jap action is the strongest..bar none...strongest military action ever made before 1980 I'd heard of the almost legendary strength of this action . This particular specimen was my father's deer rifle . Saw service from 1946 thru 1964 and killed it's fair share of venison . It's not like I NEED to fire it .... Gunner I strongly suspect these cartriges are overloads , I thought so at the time we fired them (been a few years) . I might break them down and remake them , using a lower velocity charge just to see what that does . Or not , this one is more about the sentimental value than anything . -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF |
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SteveB wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Snag" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: I have a pack of 1,000 CCI #200 primers. What are they worth, and do they deteriorate with age? Have two boxes of ought six ammo, and two boxes of brass. What is all that worth? Just want to sell it for a friend who's aging. And about fifty looks to be Jap rifle rounds 7.5 and TOYO marked (stamped) on the base. Thanks Steve If the primers have been in conditioned space they're OK - I just paid right at 50 for a package of Fed 210M LR match primers . The brass goes for around a dime/each , and the ammo prolly 20 bucks a box . If that ammo is 7.7 Japanese , for the Arisaka type 99 rifle , I might be interested . Depends on shipping costs too ... -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF Flat rate priority mail, but what's the rules on shipping ammo? I doubt the PO will allow it if they know about it, that is............. Steve God help us if we get caught shippin' ammo on the sly . Be best to keep this one above board ... I'll do some checkin on the regs , but I believe ammo falls under the class b or c explosives rules - and probably have the same rules as for instance model rocket motors . I'll check with UPS on tuesday . -- Snag You want the ought six stuff, too? Let me see what shipping is going to run . -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:32:14 -0500, Ignoramus11113
wrote: Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. M39, VKT or some such. On my todo list is to make a removable bayonet mount. (not authentic looking) Indeed. I checked with my cousins in Finland and there are NO bayonets available. He is a muckamuck with Sako and if anyone could get one...he could. Ive been thinking about picking up some Turkish bayos and modifying them to fit. They are cheap enough. I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. This rifle is a lot of rifle for little money. Very good for training purposes, as recoil is very tolerable because the rifle is very heavy. And they are one of the Most accurate military rifles ever produced. If they didnt shoot 1.3" (conversion from metric) 3 shot 100 meter groups before they were shipped, they went back through the factory again and corrected. Heavy..yeah.. a little. Makes em more comfortable to shoot. Hang glass on one and with good East German ammo...800 meter possibles are easy to do. 2 of mine are rigged as "long range personel interdiction devices" with mounts I machined out of 4140. Both sport fixed 8x scopes and a lace on cheek piece from a Garand. Decent enough rifles. Better than most of my sporters by a significant amount. My long range rifles are in 300 Win mag and up...shrug. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:27:30 -0400, Wes wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: Last x thousand #200s I bought were $12 per thousand. August of last year. Now I understand that they are up around $45 per thousand. Make of which you want from that. 12 per thousand? 17-22 sounds closer to the going price a year ago. Wes $12. At the Bakersfield Gun Show in June of 08. I stocked up on about $120 worth of various sizes. Shrug Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:32:14 -0500, Ignoramus11113
wrote: Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. M39, VKT or some such. On my todo list is to make a removable bayonet mount. (not authentic looking) I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. This rifle is a lot of rifle for little money. Very good for training purposes, as recoil is very tolerable because the rifle is very heavy. Training purposes hell..they are ACCURATE battle rifles. One of the most accurate out of the arsenal. Even more accurate then most 03s "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On 2009-09-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:32:14 -0500, Ignoramus11113 wrote: Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. M39, VKT or some such. On my todo list is to make a removable bayonet mount. (not authentic looking) I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. This rifle is a lot of rifle for little money. Very good for training purposes, as recoil is very tolerable because the rifle is very heavy. Training purposes hell..they are ACCURATE battle rifles. One of the most accurate out of the arsenal. Even more accurate then most 03s I am sure you know more than me, etc, But this rifle is HEAVY to lug around. i |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:13:48 -0500, Ignoramus5928
wrote: On 2009-09-28, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:32:14 -0500, Ignoramus11113 wrote: Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. M39, VKT or some such. On my todo list is to make a removable bayonet mount. (not authentic looking) I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. This rifle is a lot of rifle for little money. Very good for training purposes, as recoil is very tolerable because the rifle is very heavy. Training purposes hell..they are ACCURATE battle rifles. One of the most accurate out of the arsenal. Even more accurate then most 03s I am sure you know more than me, etc, But this rifle is HEAVY to lug around. i Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:13:48 -0500, Ignoramus5928 wrote: On 2009-09-28, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:32:14 -0500, Ignoramus11113 wrote: Which one do you have? Mine are M39s, one is a civil guard..the other is a provincial guard. One is Husqvarna, the other 2, Sako made. I cant remember what the rest are. They are tucked away.....shrug. M39, VKT or some such. On my todo list is to make a removable bayonet mount. (not authentic looking) I think the biggest stocks of surplus ammo I have ..the 7.62x54 is close to the top. This rifle is a lot of rifle for little money. Very good for training purposes, as recoil is very tolerable because the rifle is very heavy. Training purposes hell..they are ACCURATE battle rifles. One of the most accurate out of the arsenal. Even more accurate then most 03s I am sure you know more than me, etc, But this rifle is HEAVY to lug around. i Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? |
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John Husvar wrote:
In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. M14 - two seconds into a fire fight - priceless! |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:17 -0400, John Husvar
wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. Indeed! VBG With the M14...have the magazine digging into your neck..or kidney..or other soft or boney areas.....at the 2 digit move...... Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:17 -0400, John Husvar wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. Indeed! VBG With the M14...have the magazine digging into your neck..or kidney..or other soft or boney areas.....at the 2 digit move...... Gunner I never noticed the M14 as a burden on a 20 mile stroll, sprint the last mile. The 30 cal machine gun was a burden but not the M14. What I did notice was the steel pot helmet. I purely hated that goddamned pot pounding my neck. I am not quite a pencilneck but I gotta say I hated that friggin' pot. |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:57:32 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. M14 - two seconds into a fire fight - priceless! Oh indeed....indeed!!!! "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:28 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:17 -0400, John Husvar wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. Indeed! VBG With the M14...have the magazine digging into your neck..or kidney..or other soft or boney areas.....at the 2 digit move...... Gunner I never noticed the M14 as a burden on a 20 mile stroll, sprint the last mile. The 30 cal machine gun was a burden but not the M14. What I did notice was the steel pot helmet. I purely hated that goddamned pot pounding my neck. I am not quite a pencilneck but I gotta say I hated that friggin' pot. Copy all that! |
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cavelamb wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. M14 - two seconds into a fire fight - priceless! and suddenly weightless. |
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:28:36 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:28 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:49:17 -0400, John Husvar wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:12:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Ever schlep a Garand or M14? Much heavier. Gunner 9 pounds (approximately) is heavy? M1 Garand: 9.8 pounds M1 Garand 15 miles into a 20-mile march: Move decimal 2 places right. Indeed! VBG With the M14...have the magazine digging into your neck..or kidney..or other soft or boney areas.....at the 2 digit move...... Gunner I never noticed the M14 as a burden on a 20 mile stroll, sprint the last mile. The 30 cal machine gun was a burden but not the M14. What I did notice was the steel pot helmet. I purely hated that goddamned pot pounding my neck. I am not quite a pencilneck but I gotta say I hated that friggin' pot. Helmet? What helmet? Boonie hats dont weigh anything. G Gunner Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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On Sep 29, 6:28*am, wrote:
Gee, and here I'd been reading about the blokes running over high mountains with the 65 pound rucksacks.... *and now I discover the rifle is too heavy...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, Skippy, you don't carry the rifle broken down in your pack. How you carry it makes a hell of a difference. John Martin |
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