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I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's
jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i |
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"Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. |
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Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. A stealth safe. Just don't forget where you put it. ;-) Seriously, it takes a lot of work to make it difficult to secure a safe, without building a building over it. Look at the ATMs being knocked out of buildings by ramming them with a car, or some earlier models that they could hook a cable from a wrecker to, and rip it out of the building. A floor safe, set in a lot of concrete and under a heavy piece of furniture is the most secure, and the hardest to use. The harder a safe is to use, the less likely it is to be used. It happens all the time. 'It takes too long to open the safe', 'Its in a hard to reach place'. that leads to things being left out, 'till the next time I need to open the safe'. What good is a gun, in a safe? -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. A stealth safe. Just don't forget where you put it. ;-) Seriously, it takes a lot of work to make it difficult to secure a safe, without building a building over it. Look at the ATMs being knocked out of buildings by ramming them with a car, or some earlier models that they could hook a cable from a wrecker to, and rip it out of the building. A floor safe, set in a lot of concrete and under a heavy piece of furniture is the most secure, and the hardest to use. The harder a safe is to use, the less likely it is to be used. It happens all the time. 'It takes too long to open the safe', 'Its in a hard to reach place'. that leads to things being left out, 'till the next time I need to open the safe'. What good is a gun, in a safe? If it's a cool vintage gun that you shoot once a year -- lots. If it's your protection against home invasion* -- not much. * I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. But what do I know. -- http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:41:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote: I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are ... (b) hanging with the wrong people Does usenet count? g -- Ned Simmons |
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Ned Simmons wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:41:15 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are ... (b) hanging with the wrong people Does usenet count? g Only if you think usenet is real life... -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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On 2009-07-09, Tim Wescott wrote:
* I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. I have a friend who lives in my town. A house on his street was broken into by Gypsies, and they instantly took jewelry and cash (and nothing else). Looks like they knew where that stuff was, as in, someone told them or they did a "home improvement estimate" some time prior to the burglary. Maybe the wife told her fortune teller where her jewelry was, under one pretense or another. I would not say that ahome invasion of impossible, but I have to balance the dangers and inconveniences of having guns easily available, in a house with children, and a need for guns in the unlikely event of a home invasion. i |
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I would not say that ahome invasion of impossible, but I have to balance the dangers and inconveniences of having guns easily available, in a house with children, and a need for guns in the unlikely event of a home invasion. You teach children about guns, just like looking both before crossing the street, that stoves are hot, about how to use tools. |
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Tim Wescott wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. A stealth safe. Just don't forget where you put it. ;-) Seriously, it takes a lot of work to make it difficult to secure a safe, without building a building over it. Look at the ATMs being knocked out of buildings by ramming them with a car, or some earlier models that they could hook a cable from a wrecker to, and rip it out of the building. A floor safe, set in a lot of concrete and under a heavy piece of furniture is the most secure, and the hardest to use. The harder a safe is to use, the less likely it is to be used. It happens all the time. 'It takes too long to open the safe', 'Its in a hard to reach place'. that leads to things being left out, 'till the next time I need to open the safe'. What good is a gun, in a safe? If it's a cool vintage gun that you shoot once a year -- lots. If it's your protection against home invasion* -- not much. * I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. But what do I know. I'm not worried. I don't keep anything worth stealing, and I give away a lot of things. I probably have a couple years left, so I really don't care. All they would get is some food and my truck. You know enough to realize that is a threat, but not to live in fear of it. Did you notice that the number of both home invasions and car jacking dropped when some of the culprits were shot, in the act? -- http://www.wescottdesign.com -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:41:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote: snip * I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. But what do I know. Which one of your theories applies in this case? http://greenvilledailynews.1upprelau...icleID=2250 9 Sometimes bad things happen for no apparent reason... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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"Leon Fisk" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:41:15 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: snip * I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. But what do I know. Which one of your theories applies in this case? http://greenvilledailynews.1upprelau...icleID=2250 9 Sometimes bad things happen for no apparent reason... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email Well, to me, it's clear the dead people were clearly paranoid, hung with the wrong crowd (I'd suspect Southern Baptist in there somewhere), living in Greenville instead of Zimbabwe, not taking their meds, shoulda changed friends (there's them ugly Southern Baptists again), and shoulda moved to Sweden a long time ago. But what do I know? Steve |
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"Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. A stealth safe. Just don't forget where you put it. ;-) Seriously, it takes a lot of work to make it difficult to secure a safe, without building a building over it. Look at the ATMs being knocked out of buildings by ramming them with a car, or some earlier models that they could hook a cable from a wrecker to, and rip it out of the building. A floor safe, set in a lot of concrete and under a heavy piece of furniture is the most secure, and the hardest to use. The harder a safe is to use, the less likely it is to be used. It happens all the time. 'It takes too long to open the safe', 'Its in a hard to reach place'. that leads to things being left out, 'till the next time I need to open the safe'. What good is a gun, in a safe? If it's a cool vintage gun that you shoot once a year -- lots. If it's your protection against home invasion* -- not much. * I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. But what do I know. Do you read a newspaper? Do you have a television? Look at them, and you'll know that home invasions happen all the time. Steve |
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"SteveB" wrote in message ... "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. A stealth safe. Just don't forget where you put it. ;-) Seriously, it takes a lot of work to make it difficult to secure a safe, without building a building over it. Look at the ATMs being knocked out of buildings by ramming them with a car, or some earlier models that they could hook a cable from a wrecker to, and rip it out of the building. A floor safe, set in a lot of concrete and under a heavy piece of furniture is the most secure, and the hardest to use. The harder a safe is to use, the less likely it is to be used. It happens all the time. 'It takes too long to open the safe', 'Its in a hard to reach place'. that leads to things being left out, 'till the next time I need to open the safe'. What good is a gun, in a safe? If it's a cool vintage gun that you shoot once a year -- lots. If it's your protection against home invasion* -- not much. * I've never suffered a home invasion. No one in my family has suffered a home invasion. The only person I know who suffered a home invasion ran with a seriously weird crowd. I would contend that if you are worried about home invasions then you are (a) too paranoid, (b) hanging with the wrong people, or (c) living in the wrong part of the world. (a) can be taken care of with medication, (b) can be taken care of by changing your friends, and (c) can be taken care of by changing the part of the world that you live in, or living in a different part of the world. But what do I know. Do you read a newspaper? Do you have a television? Look at them, and you'll know that home invasions happen all the time. Steve The San Francisco Bay area has lots. but 99.9% are ethnic groups targeting the same ethnic group. Or a drug dealer getting invaded by those who want his drugs and money. Extremely rare for a normal person to be invaded. |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: What good is a gun, in a safe? There is a child in Ig's home, so securing handguns is mandatory. Ig, you need to think clearly about your objectives. The requirements for securing a handgun are not the same as those for securing valuables against burglars. The handgun repository must be capable of being opened very quickly in total darkness by one who has just been awakened -- but it need not provide a long delay time against a determined thief. When you're away from the house for any extended time, put the gun in the real safe that is bolted to the concrete floor and can withstand attack of longer than most burgs are willing to risk. |
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On 2009-07-09, Don Foreman wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: What good is a gun, in a safe? There is a child in Ig's home, so securing handguns is mandatory. Ig, you need to think clearly about your objectives. The requirements for securing a handgun are not the same as those for securing valuables against burglars. The handgun repository must be capable of being opened very quickly in total darkness by one who has just been awakened -- but it need not provide a long delay time against a determined thief. When you're away from the house for any extended time, put the gun in the real safe that is bolted to the concrete floor and can withstand attack of longer than most burgs are willing to risk. I think that if I have a safe that has a shelf on a chest level, but is properly secured both to the floor, as well as to the wall, I could keep a gun in it and it would be relatively convenient to get to. I would think that for, perhaps, $500 I could buy something acceptable. And yes, I have kids, as well as their clueless friends, and I want to take no chances with them. i |
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Don Foreman wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: What good is a gun, in a safe? There is a child in Ig's home, so securing handguns is mandatory. I know that. My questoin was, is a safe the best way to do it. Ig, you need to think clearly about your objectives. The requirements for securing a handgun are not the same as those for securing valuables against burglars. The handgun repository must be capable of being opened very quickly in total darkness by one who has just been awakened -- but it need not provide a long delay time against a determined thief. When you're away from the house for any extended time, put the gun in the real safe that is bolted to the concrete floor and can withstand attack of longer than most burgs are willing to risk. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:49:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Don Foreman wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: What good is a gun, in a safe? There is a child in Ig's home, so securing handguns is mandatory. I know that. My questoin was, is a safe the best way to do it. Depends on the objective. If the objective is child safety, something like this will get it done: http://www.safetysafeguards.com/site...uct/GV1000CDLX These are available for considerably less than the price shown. They can be opened in seconds in total darkness. They're easily defeated or stolen with contents by burglars but they do provide child safety. An investigator I know showed children (nieces and nephews) candy and a $20 bill, put them in such an enclosure, said they could have the contents if they could open the box. They were unable to do so in the time they were willing to spend trying before they lost interest. If I had a child or irresponsible adult resident in my home I would have one of these or something rather like it of my own design and fabrication. Beyond child safety, security is strongly situation-dependent. No security system or device is absolute. The only difference is how long and what skills and assets are required to breach and defeat. Stealth can be a useful adjunct to physical barriers and devices if done skillfully: they can't steal what they won't find in the time they're willing to risk. Another leg on the security stool is creating risk (or the illusion thereof) of capture or worse. Think ADT or Honeywell monitored alarm system, junkyard dog, Fort Knox, or a stash or cache multilevel boobytrapped by one who is very good at his or her art and craft. |
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Don Foreman wrote in
: On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: What good is a gun, in a safe? There is a child in Ig's home, so securing handguns is mandatory. Ig, you need to think clearly about your objectives. The requirements for securing a handgun are not the same as those for securing valuables against burglars. The handgun repository must be capable of being opened very quickly in total darkness by one who has just been awakened -- but it need not provide a long delay time against a determined thief. When you're away from the house for any extended time, put the gun in the real safe that is bolted to the concrete floor and can withstand attack of longer than most burgs are willing to risk. There are small safes specifically designed for handguns that allow quick access: http://www.gunsafestore.com/pistol.htm Doug White |
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On 2009-07-09, Buerste wrote:
"Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. Stealth is a good thing, but is not a substitute for a strong safe. Many burglars know exactly where the valuables are, especially when it comes to jewelry. Think about, say, hiring a painter to paint the house and telling his criminal friends where the valuables are. Hiding cash is a little easier than, say, hiding jewelry. i |
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Ignoramus10294 wrote: On 2009-07-09, Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. Stealth is a good thing, but is not a substitute for a strong safe. Many burglars know exactly where the valuables are, especially when it comes to jewelry. Think about, say, hiring a painter to paint the house and telling his criminal friends where the valuables are. Hiding cash is a little easier than, say, hiding jewelry. Gee. All kinds of people use the same few places to hide things, thinking, No one would look there! A friend started a security business years ago. People would tell him no one could find their valuables. He could find most spots in under a minute. The only way to keep it safe, is to keep it somewhere off the property in secure storage, or just don't own it. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:55:19 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Ignoramus10294 wrote: On 2009-07-09, Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. Stealth is a good thing, but is not a substitute for a strong safe. Many burglars know exactly where the valuables are, especially when it comes to jewelry. Think about, say, hiring a painter to paint the house and telling his criminal friends where the valuables are. Hiding cash is a little easier than, say, hiding jewelry. Gee. All kinds of people use the same few places to hide things, thinking, No one would look there! A friend started a security business years ago. People would tell him no one could find their valuables. He could find most spots in under a minute. The only way to keep it safe, is to keep it somewhere off the property in secure storage, or just don't own it. Or put a second power box on a machine tool and use it for a safe. Few burglars would think about opening something with a 480volt decal mounted on a machine tool Shrug Gunner, who is quite...quite secure in his personal storages "Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam" Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno |
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Gunner Asch wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Gee. All kinds of people use the same few places to hide things, thinking, No one would look there! A friend started a security business years ago. People would tell him no one could find their valuables. He could find most spots in under a minute. The only way to keep it safe, is to keep it somewhere off the property in secure storage, or just don't own it. Or put a second power box on a machine tool and use it for a safe. Few burglars would think about opening something with a 480volt decal mounted on a machine tool Most people are terrified to go into my shop anyway. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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On 2009-07-18, Gunner Asch wrote:
Or put a second power box on a machine tool and use it for a safe. Few burglars would think about opening something with a 480volt decal mounted on a machine tool Then I need to put a mirror next to the Bridgeport, so that my wife will be able to check how she looks in all that jewelry... And I should make sure that oil and coolant do not get on the mirror... i |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:05:19 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus10294
scrawled the following: On 2009-07-09, Buerste wrote: "Ignoramus10294" wrote in message ... I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Think differently, rather than "robust" go for stealth. Stealth is a good thing, but is not a substitute for a strong safe. Many burglars know exactly where the valuables are, especially when it comes to jewelry. Think about, say, hiring a painter to paint the house and telling his criminal friends where the valuables are. Hiding cash is a little easier than, say, hiding jewelry. So buy a real safe and have it installed, dude. You have the bucks. Security companies can suggest good brands. -- After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. -- Aldous Huxley |
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On 2009-07-09, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
So buy a real safe and have it installed, dude. You have the bucks. Security companies can suggest good brands. I think that I will go this route, yes. By the way, here's a good article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-cracking |
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Ignoramus10294 wrote:
I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. A safe is a good thing, to focus the efforts of a thief. You know your house better than anyone else, so you can figure out how to secure your real valuables. http://tipnut.com/hiding-valuables-s...eryday-things/ --Winston |
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Ignoramus10294 wrote:
I would like to buy a safe for a bedroom, mostly to keep my wife's jewelry, but possibly a handgun as well. Two issues stand out, one is what sorts of safes are robust in the sense that they open when commanded, and another is how to attach that safe securely so that robbers could not simply take it with the aid of some tools like large prybars. Any practical thoughts on this will be appreciated. i Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight. |
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On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote:
Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. i |
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Ignoramus10294 wrote:
On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote: Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. Not sure about where you live, but out here in N. California, about the only thieves we ever get are smash-and-grab kids and tweekers. They want to be in and out in 5 minutes, so the most important aspect of security is stealth. |
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Jim Stewart wrote:
Ignoramus10294 wrote: On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote: Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. Not sure about where you live, but out here in N. California, about the only thieves we ever get are smash-and-grab kids and tweekers. They want to be in and out in 5 minutes, so the most important aspect of security is stealth. And don't underestimate the power of a barky dog. |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:28:18 -0700, the infamous Jim Stewart
scrawled the following: Jim Stewart wrote: Ignoramus10294 wrote: On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote: Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. Not sure about where you live, but out here in N. California, about the only thieves we ever get are smash-and-grab kids and tweekers. They want to be in and out in 5 minutes, so the most important aspect of security is stealth. And don't underestimate the power of a barky dog. plink yip thud [silence from then on] -- After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. -- Aldous Huxley |
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On 2009-07-09, Jim Stewart wrote:
Ignoramus10294 wrote: On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote: Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. Not sure about where you live, but out here in N. California, about the only thieves we ever get are smash-and-grab kids and tweekers. They want to be in and out in 5 minutes, so the most important aspect of security is stealth. Do you think that those sorts of people would be capable of removing a safe that is attached to a wall, with lag screws? i |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:33:45 -0500, Ignoramus10294
wrote: snip Do you think that those sorts of people would be capable of removing a safe that is attached to a wall, with lag screws? No, not in your neighborhood. I would be more worried about fire protection. If you lag a medium to large sized safe with fire protection to a wall stud you should be all set. Heck just the weight of one of these babies will stump anyone for several hours. Your looking at 1000 lbs or more with some sort of fire protection/insulation in it. After you get through wrestling it into place and banging up several doorways along the way you won't worry about it... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Ignoramus10294 wrote:
On 2009-07-09, Jim Stewart wrote: Ignoramus10294 wrote: On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote: Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. Not sure about where you live, but out here in N. California, about the only thieves we ever get are smash-and-grab kids and tweekers. They want to be in and out in 5 minutes, so the most important aspect of security is stealth. Do you think that those sorts of people would be capable of removing a safe that is attached to a wall, with lag screws? Capable? maybe. Motivated to do it? I don't think so. We were broken in to about three years ago. The burglars were clearly looking for the most value in the least time. They got all the laptops and jewelry and the $200 digital cameras and camcorders. They left my Nikon D70 kit sitting on the floor because it was in a backpack and my dad's Acutron watch, presumably because it didn't look valuable. All the firearms were well hidden and not disturbed. |
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Do you think that those sorts of people would be capable of removing a safe that is attached to a wall, with lag screws? i You're a man very familiar with tools. On a bet, how long would it take YOU? My choice of tools would be two. Crowbar and cordless sawzall with extra battery and extra demo blade. Does that still count as two. So, five, but something a guy could carry in a pillowcase. Smash the drywall, cut four studs. I'd estimate three minutes tops. Steve |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:32:32 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus10294
scrawled the following: On 2009-07-09, jeff_wisnia wrote: Short of placing it in a basement and doing a major heavy duty job of securing it to floor and foundation walls there isn't much you can do to keep thieves from ripping out and carting away anything small enough for you to have installed in the first place. Better to go with stealth, maybe like this: http://livesafely.org/home-security/...n-a-wall-safe/ But, DON'T mount it in the bedroom. That's the room thieves know most people keep or hide valuables in. Pick a laundry area or even the kitchen. Jeff, I do not keep my valuables (read cash and remainder of my silver) in the bedroom, personally. I keep them where they are hard to find. But bedroom is where women try jewelry, that is why I want a safe there. With a good enough safe, if I attach it to the floor and the wall with lag screws, it will probably be hard enough to remove. Maybe go with 2 gun safes. A large upright with extra storage space for your wife's jewelry. ouch! http://www.gunsafes.com/Browning-Pla...-47-cu-ft.html And another next to your bed with a pistol in it, for home intrusions. http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html -- After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. -- Aldous Huxley |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... ,snip Maybe go with 2 gun safes. A large upright with extra storage space for your wife's jewelry. ouch! http://www.gunsafes.com/Browning-Pla...-47-cu-ft.html And another next to your bed with a pistol in it, for home intrusions. http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html I have a riding crop next to my bed, does that count? |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:00:10 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . ,snip Maybe go with 2 gun safes. A large upright with extra storage space for your wife's jewelry. ouch! http://www.gunsafes.com/Browning-Pla...-47-cu-ft.html And another next to your bed with a pistol in it, for home intrusions. http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html I have a riding crop next to my bed, does that count? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! My mind's eye! Don't _DO_ that, Tawm. -- After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. -- Aldous Huxley |
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"Buerste" wrote in message ... "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... ,snip Maybe go with 2 gun safes. A large upright with extra storage space for your wife's jewelry. ouch! http://www.gunsafes.com/Browning-Pla...-47-cu-ft.html And another next to your bed with a pistol in it, for home intrusions. http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html I have a riding crop next to my bed, does that count? Depends on how upset your wife would be if it went missing ...................... |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:00:10 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . ,snip Maybe go with 2 gun safes. A large upright with extra storage space for your wife's jewelry. ouch! http://www.gunsafes.com/Browning-Pla...-47-cu-ft.html And another next to your bed with a pistol in it, for home intrusions. http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html I have a riding crop next to my bed, does that count? blink..ah....er..... Nevermind Gunner, who has restraints and other toys available for his lady friends to wear if they so desire.... "Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam" Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno |
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