This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html

Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.

Joe Gwinn

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html

Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.

Joe Gwinn


I read that whole article last weekend.

No way I'd even try to second guess Dyson.

But the Greens (koomkaya) ?
I've never heard of one in his class.

(or who TOOK his class! )

On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html

Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.

Joe Gwinn

I read that whole article last weekend.

No way I'd even try to second guess Dyson.

But the Greens (koomkaya) ?
I've never heard of one in his class.

(or who TOOK his class! )

Well, would YOU, Mr Cavelamb, be likely to hear of anyone who took
one of his classes - and you spelt "Kumbaya" wrong, your credibility
lies in tatters.........

And it doesn't matter anyway - even if global warming is real, the
planet will not get off its collective arse to do anything about it.
And if its wrong, same end result, ie nothing has changed. The wingers
and lefties will have to find something else to argue about....

So, it was a nice essay, good colour piece about a 85 year old
physicist who is getting cranky and doesn't like groups of other
scientists agreeing with each other....(my 3yo granddaughter does
that, she will grow out of it....)

Andrew VK3BFA.

wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html
Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.
Joe Gwinn
I read that whole article last weekend.

No way I'd even try to second guess Dyson.

But the Greens (koomkaya) ?
I've never heard of one in his class.

(or who TOOK his class! )

Well, would YOU, Mr Cavelamb, be likely to hear of anyone who took
one of his classes - and you spelt "Kumbaya" wrong, your credibility
lies in tatters.........

And it doesn't matter anyway - even if global warming is real, the
planet will not get off its collective arse to do anything about it.
And if its wrong, same end result, ie nothing has changed. The wingers
and lefties will have to find something else to argue about....

So, it was a nice essay, good colour piece about a 85 year old
physicist who is getting cranky and doesn't like groups of other
scientists agreeing with each other....(my 3yo granddaughter does
that, she will grow out of it....)

Andrew VK3BFA.


Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Crank up Google Earth and go look at South America.

Clear a continent of rain forest - that used to soak up CO2
like crazy - and give off O2 at the same time -

What would you get, Andrew?

More CO2?

On Mar 31, 4:55*pm, cavelamb wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:


Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Bender would probably offer a workable, if brutal, solution to the
problem. Cartoon characters make more sense than humans sometimes

Well, see my previous post - it doesn't matter if global warming is
real or not, and no debate here will ever influence anyones opinion.
The human race will/is incapable of co-operating enough to deal with
little things like wars, peace, cheap machine tools, balance of trade,
the economy, what model of car to buy etc etc etc etc....so, if its
true, then the planet is stuffed. Hopefully I will be dead before the
air becomes unbreathable. Worry a bit about my grandchildren though -
if the climate change deniers are proven wrong, they are going to
curse our memory for what we have left them.

Andrew VK3BFA.

On Mar 31, 7:59*am, wrote:
On Mar 31, 4:55*pm, cavelamb wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:

Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Bender would probably offer a workable, if brutal, solution to the
problem. Cartoon characters make more sense than humans sometimes

Well, see my previous post - it doesn't matter if global warming is
real or not, and no debate here will ever influence anyones opinion.
The human race will/is incapable of co-operating enough to deal with
little things like wars, peace, cheap machine tools, balance of trade,
the economy, what model of car to buy etc etc *etc etc....so, if its
true, then the planet is stuffed. Hopefully I will be dead before the
air becomes unbreathable. Worry a bit about my grandchildren though -
if the climate change deniers are proven wrong, they are going to
curse our memory for what we have left them.

Andrew VK3BFA.

"I'm good for 300 degrees, so what's the problem? Oh, yeah, sorry
meatbag, you're not gonna like it too much. Can't say as I'll miss
ya."

Bender's not much of a solution kind of guy, heh.


Dave

wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 4:55 pm, cavelamb wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:


Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Bender would probably offer a workable, if brutal, solution to the
problem. Cartoon characters make more sense than humans sometimes

Well, see my previous post - it doesn't matter if global warming is
real or not, and no debate here will ever influence anyones opinion.
The human race will/is incapable of co-operating enough to deal with
little things like wars, peace, cheap machine tools, balance of trade,
the economy, what model of car to buy etc etc etc etc....so, if its
true, then the planet is stuffed. Hopefully I will be dead before the
air becomes unbreathable. Worry a bit about my grandchildren though -
if the climate change deniers are proven wrong, they are going to
curse our memory for what we have left them.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Don't worry, be happy, Andrew. The Earth's climate will never go off the
deep end. Heck, it's never happened before...

Nothing is really happening to the planet's climate -- carbon dioxide is
plant food. And the housing market will never collapse -- those derivatives
that are hedging your pension fund are as solid as a rock. America will
never elect a black man as president, and General Motors is too big to fail,
just like the investment banks that dominate Wall Street.

And the check is in the mail. Really. Honest.

--
Ed Huntress

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html
Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.
Joe Gwinn
I read that whole article last weekend.

No way I'd even try to second guess Dyson.

But the Greens (koomkaya) ?
I've never heard of one in his class.

(or who TOOK his class! )

Well, would YOU, Mr Cavelamb, be likely to hear of anyone who took
one of his classes - and you spelt "Kumbaya" wrong, your credibility
lies in tatters.........

And it doesn't matter anyway - even if global warming is real, the
planet will not get off its collective arse to do anything about it.
And if its wrong, same end result, ie nothing has changed. The wingers
and lefties will have to find something else to argue about....

So, it was a nice essay, good colour piece about a 85 year old
physicist who is getting cranky and doesn't like groups of other
scientists agreeing with each other....(my 3yo granddaughter does
that, she will grow out of it....)

Andrew VK3BFA.


Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Crank up Google Earth and go look at South America.

Clear a continent of rain forest - that used to soak up CO2
like crazy - and give off O2 at the same time -

What would you get, Andrew?

More CO2?

And what would YOU get, Richard? Numbers, please. With the complete chemical
equations. d8-)

Between you and Larry, I'm thinking I must have missed my opportunity to
learn global-scale organic chemistry and atmospheric fluid dynamics. You, of
all people, who knows about aircraft engineering and who doubtless has
stared at one or more mathematical models of turbulent flow, in wonder...

--
Ed Huntress

On Mar 31, 5:47*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

m...





wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html
Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.
Joe Gwinn
I read that whole article last weekend.

No way I'd even try to second guess Dyson.

But the Greens (koomkaya) ?
I've never heard of one in his class.

(or who TOOK his class! * )

Well, would YOU, Mr Cavelamb, *be likely to hear of anyone who took
one of his classes - and you spelt "Kumbaya" wrong, your credibility
lies in tatters.........

And it doesn't matter anyway - even if global warming is real, the
planet will not get off its collective arse to do anything about it.
And if its wrong, same end result, ie nothing has changed. The wingers
and lefties will have to find something else to argue about....

So, it was a nice essay, good colour piece about a 85 year old
physicist who is getting cranky and doesn't like groups of other
scientists agreeing with each other....(my 3yo granddaughter does
that, she will grow out of it....)

Andrew VK3BFA.

Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Crank up Google Earth and go look at South America.

Clear a continent of rain forest - that used to soak up CO2
like crazy - and give off O2 at the same time -

What would you get, Andrew?

More CO2?

And what would YOU get, Richard? Numbers, please. With the complete chemical
equations. d8-)

Between you and Larry, I'm thinking I must have missed my opportunity to
learn global-scale organic chemistry and atmospheric fluid dynamics. You, of
all people, who knows about aircraft engineering and who doubtless has
stared at one or more mathematical models of turbulent flow, in wonder...

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I write dynamic models for a living. Anyone who says a climate model
can predict global temperature with reasonable certainty is guilty of
engineering malpractice.

The whole issue has turned into a religion. Replace climate change
with booze and sex and it sounds just like a sermon from a a hell and
brimstone preacher.

Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:56 pm, cavelamb wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html
Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.
Joe Gwinn
I read that whole article last weekend.

No way I'd even try to second guess Dyson.

But the Greens (koomkaya) ?
I've never heard of one in his class.

(or who TOOK his class! )
Well, would YOU, Mr Cavelamb, be likely to hear of anyone who took
one of his classes - and you spelt "Kumbaya" wrong, your credibility
lies in tatters.........

And it doesn't matter anyway - even if global warming is real, the
planet will not get off its collective arse to do anything about it.
And if its wrong, same end result, ie nothing has changed. The wingers
and lefties will have to find something else to argue about....

So, it was a nice essay, good colour piece about a 85 year old
physicist who is getting cranky and doesn't like groups of other
scientists agreeing with each other....(my 3yo granddaughter does
that, she will grow out of it....)

Andrew VK3BFA.

Well, as Bender would say, "Kiss my shiny metal ass".

Crank up Google Earth and go look at South America.

Clear a continent of rain forest - that used to soak up CO2
like crazy - and give off O2 at the same time -

What would you get, Andrew?

More CO2?

And what would YOU get, Richard? Numbers, please. With the complete chemical
equations. d8-)

Between you and Larry, I'm thinking I must have missed my opportunity to
learn global-scale organic chemistry and atmospheric fluid dynamics. You, of
all people, who knows about aircraft engineering and who doubtless has
stared at one or more mathematical models of turbulent flow, in wonder...

--
Ed Huntress




Cheap lumber for the housing boom/bubble!

Ed Huntress wrote:
snippage to avoid redundant repetition...

And what would YOU get, Richard? Numbers, please. With the complete chemical
equations. d8-)

Between you and Larry, I'm thinking I must have missed my opportunity to
learn global-scale organic chemistry and atmospheric fluid dynamics. You, of
all people, who knows about aircraft engineering and who doubtless has
stared at one or more mathematical models of turbulent flow, in wonder...

--
Ed Huntress




Oh man! I almost forgot!

LOTS of cheap toilet paper...

Please don't let the newspapers ever die.

But if they must, let a newspaper who can employ a writer like this one be
the last.

Tom Dacon

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html

Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.

Joe Gwinn

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:39:55 -0700, the infamous "Tom Dacon"
scrawled the following:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html

Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.

Please don't let the newspapers ever die.

But if they must, let a newspaper who can employ a writer like this one be
the last.

Hear, hear!

It must irk Ed to no end that Dyson is in my corner, a fellow
disbeliever in the extreme horrors of AGWk. (You DID read this, didn't
you, Ed?)

--
You can't do anything about the length of your life,
but you _can_ do something about its width and depth.
-- Evan Esar

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:39:55 -0700, the infamous "Tom Dacon"
scrawled the following:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
This should start a few arguments. And Dyson knows full well what the
reaction will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html

Cover article of the New York Times Magazine, 29 March 2009 issue.

Please don't let the newspapers ever die.

But if they must, let a newspaper who can employ a writer like this one be
the last.

Hear, hear!

It must irk Ed to no end that Dyson is in my corner, a fellow
disbeliever in the extreme horrors of AGWk. (You DID read this, didn't
you, Ed?)

Yes, I read it last Saturday and knew it would only be a matter of time
before you added that to your inventory of Denier testimonials. d8-)

"I find Dr. Jaques paper, ' A Two-equation Boussinesq Hypothesis Explanation
for Counterclockwise Toilet-Bowl Swirling in the Southern Hemisphere', to be
a compelling metaphor for the katabatic winds and their confounding of the
standard model for aerosol distribution in our own atmosphere. Dr. Jaques
and I apparently share a recognition that we do our best thinking while
sitting on the can."

--
Ed Huntress