http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.

An old friend of mine, Rabih Alameddine, was one of the last to be on the
receiving end of one. Well, his family's house was. The New Jersey hit his
parents' house in Lebanon, while no one was home, apparently aiming for
something else. It left a pile of sticks. d8-)

Rabih was very philosophical about it and doesn't harbor any ill-will.

(This is him, not the story about his house being shelled):

http://www.titlepage.tv/authors/rabih-alameddine

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:


"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.

Ill bet you are wrong.

They are far far too useful and effective.

Remember the A-10 Warthog was scheduled to be phased out?

Somethings are universal tools, too good to go to the scrap heap.




"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

On Dec 24, 7:19*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.

Ill bet you are wrong.

They are far far too useful and effective.

Remember the A-10 Warthog was scheduled to be phased out?

Somethings are universal tools, too good to go to the scrap heap.

I read that even with UAVs, spotting was too much of a problem to use
them surgically in limited conflicts. They are more suited to
cratering the surface of Iwo Jima or shredding "Das Reich". I don't
have numbers, but dispersion of a single salvo seems to be
considerable.

jw

Naw...you have to re-commission the whole battleship for that, not just
the gun. A big, fat, floating bullseye.
JR
Dweller in the cellar


Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:


"Richard" wrote in message
...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.


Ill bet you are wrong.

They are far far too useful and effective.

Remember the A-10 Warthog was scheduled to be phased out?

Somethings are universal tools, too good to go to the scrap heap.




"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:


"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.

Ill bet you are wrong.

They are far far too useful and effective.

Remember the A-10 Warthog was scheduled to be phased out?

Somethings are universal tools, too good to go to the scrap heap.




"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of
Spotsylvania

The USS Cod is stationed here in Cleveland. http://www.usscod.org/ She's a
GATO class WWII sub. I've been on board many times and still can't imagine
serving on her for a whole afternoon yet alone months at a time...she's TINY
inside! There's not even enough room to take a dump comfortably.
Submariners had to be midgets!

She has a 5" deck gun with a stainless steel bore liner. The director of
the Cod organization call me a few years ago and wanted me to build a
proximity of a bore cleaning brush that they could do demonstrations with.
As I was gathering the information, I asked if he had any 5" shells for the
gun in case those pesky Canadians should attack. He said if he did he would
turn the gun on City Hall. He then told me he had already calculated the
bearing and elevation in case any shells became available with no questions
asked.

"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.


I have two 16" guns that I guarantee will be fired with the intent of
destroying the target.

In fact, I, or a cohort, has fired them at least twice each year for
the last 10.

(guess)

LLoyd

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:01:43 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:


"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.


I have two 16" guns that I guarantee will be fired with the intent of
destroying the target.

In fact, I, or a cohort, has fired them at least twice each year for
the last 10.

(guess)

LLoyd

pumkin chunkin'?

Pete

Pete Keillor fired this volley in
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pumkin chunkin'?

Pete

Nope. Keep guessin'

MBG
LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU

I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.


I have two 16" guns that I guarantee will be fired with the intent of
destroying the target.

In fact, I, or a cohort, has fired them at least twice each year for
the last 10.


Keep them clean and lubed for the riots that will follow the
continuing job situation. Hopefully, they will be useful for riot
control.


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

"Michael A. Terrell" fired this volley in
m:

Hopefully, they will be useful for riot
control.



I could clear half a city block of (formerly) living things with one
shot.

more guesses

LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
"Michael A. Terrell" fired this volley in
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Hopefully, they will be useful for riot
control.



I could clear half a city block of (formerly) living things with one
shot.

more guesses

LLoyd

There are some shore batteries on the west coast.

They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in Pearl
Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin


Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU
I'd bet a 16" will never be fired again in anger.

Ill bet you are wrong.

They are far far too useful and effective.

Remember the A-10 Warthog was scheduled to be phased out?

Somethings are universal tools, too good to go to the scrap heap.




"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

THe quote was INCHES in diameter not length as was the last...
Good one!


Then - Gunner wants the lathe that turned the barrels!

Martin

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Pete Keillor fired this volley in
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pumkin chunkin'?

Pete

Nope. Keep guessin'

MBG
LLoyd

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in Pearl
Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin

Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a floating
museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

THe quote was INCHES in diameter not length as was the last...
Good one!

Then - Gunner wants the lathe that turned the barrels!


Why not? Then he could make his own 16" guns. Talk about poking
holes in metal with a round...


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
THe quote was INCHES in diameter not length as was the last...
Good one!


Then - Gunner wants the lathe that turned the barrels!

Martin

One of the info shows had a piece that included the lathe to turn prop
shafts for aircraft carriers. The tool holder was the size of a car. It
would take chips off the size of snow shovels.

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in
Pearl Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin

Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a floating
museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

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I thought she was in Steven Seagal's back yard.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:25:56 -0600, the infamous "Martin H. Eastburn"
scrawled the following:

THe quote was INCHES in diameter not length as was the last...
Good one!


Then - Gunner wants the lathe that turned the barrels!

Nah, he's already got two of those in his back yard.

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and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.

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On Dec 24, 11:35*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in ...
...
Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a floating
museum.
http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/
Ed Huntress

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/preserve.htm

Cool though they are, battleships are very expensive to operate
compared to their capabilities. I believe the impracticality of
installing clusters of missile tubes turned the balance against them.
We have plenty of other ways to put 2000 Lbs of HE accurately on a
target, or bust an armored bunker. The attack on the USS Cole showed
that our thin-skinned warships can handle considerable damage.

Yamato, the 'ultimate' battleship, contributed almost nothing. It
spent most of the war in port where the sailors jokingly called it
Hotel Yamato. In its one battle, Leyte Gulf, it was chased out of the
fight by a bracketing spread of torpedos probably fired by the
incredibly heroic destroyer Johnston. To the south the destroyer USS
Melvin single-handedly sank the battleship Fuso.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Johnston_(DD-557)

Johnston, Hoel and Roberts were lost so we don't know exactly what
happened to them. Apparently the battleship Kongo's AP shells punched
through like cannonballs rather than exploding. The Japanese didn't
believe these four little ships attacking the major part of their navy
could be only destroyers and reported them as cruisers.

Jim Wilkins

On Dec 24, 11:35*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in ...

They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. *Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. *And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. *I'm glad the New Jersey is in Pearl
Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin

Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a floating
museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

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It's the Battleship Missouri at Pearl.
Karl

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Pete Keillor fired this volley in
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pumkin chunkin'?

Pete

Nope. Keep guessin'

MBG
LLoyd

They're fireworks mortars, Lloyd. Whats the 'target'? Sky?
Tom

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:

"Tom Wait" fired this volley in
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They're fireworks mortars, Lloyd. Whats the 'target'? Sky?
Tom


Indeed.

With 16s, the target is cumulus clouds at 1200'.


It would be interesting to fire a 16" gun full of fireworks into a
rioting mob, though...


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

I meant to say the USS Missouri is in Pearl.

Martin - Thanks Ed.

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in Pearl
Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin

Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a floating
museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
I meant to say the USS Missouri is in Pearl.

Martin - Thanks Ed.

I still haven't gotten down to see her, and it's only an hour's drive. I did
visit the USS Intrepid in New York, though, and that was quite an
experience.

Maybe next year.

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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in
Pearl Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin

Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a
floating museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:15:00 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

I meant to say the USS Missouri is in Pearl.

Martin - Thanks Ed.

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in Pearl
Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin

Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a floating
museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

--
Ed Huntress


My wife and I visited the Missouri in Pearl on our way to Maui a
couple years ago. There wasn't a lot of the ship open, restorations
having just gotten started. I mainly wanted to see the surrender
spot. The conning station or whatever they called it was something to
see, a little room with at least foot thick armor.

I uploaded the photos to this link: http://peteiii.smugmug.com/. Look
for the BB-63 album.

Pete Keillor

My wife and I visited the Missouri in Pearl on our way to Maui a
couple years ago. There wasn't a lot of the ship open, restorations
having just gotten started. I mainly wanted to see the surrender
spot. The conning station or whatever they called it was something to
see, a little room with at least foot thick armor.

I uploaded the photos to this link: http://peteiii.smugmug.com/. Look
for the BB-63 album.

Pete Keillor

If you can see the USS Texas in Houston sometime. It was most likely a
hellhole in WWII. It had twice as many men as it was built for back in WWI
and they had to hang everywhere to sleep. It is the last of the original
dreadnaught class, it seems tiny compaired to the Alabama.

LLB

I as well with the USS Texas. It is a couple hundred miles from here -
and not much time for play. Hope to do so soon. She was an older version
with 12" guns. I want to say my great cousin had here in his navy :-)
He was Pacific in his last active days.

Martin

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
I meant to say the USS Missouri is in Pearl.

Martin - Thanks Ed.

I still haven't gotten down to see her, and it's only an hour's drive. I did
visit the USS Intrepid in New York, though, and that was quite an
experience.

Maybe next year.

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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
They, the battleships, have been taken out of mothballs several times.
Each time they were retrofitted with new Radar and arms. Cruse missiles
are common as are unique then - but not now - the massive high rate guns
used on planes, missiles and boats.
Remember, they are not getting Gray Ghosts out of mothballs they are
getting
the most feared ship on the water. And they are not 50 or 60 years old.
Re-built for Viet Nam and used since. I'm glad the New Jersey is in
Pearl Harbor. - It is a most important ship to history.

Martin
Uh, she's in Camden, New Jersey, where she's been since 1999 as a
floating museum.

http://www.battleshipnewjersey.org/

--
Ed Huntress

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
I as well with the USS Texas. It is a couple hundred miles from here -
and not much time for play. Hope to do so soon. She was an older version
with 12" guns. I want to say my great cousin had here in his navy :-)
He was Pacific in his last active days.

Martin


Ok, so I'm picky.

Texas’s main battery consisted of ten 14"/45 caliber (356 mm) Mark 8
guns, which could hurl 1,500-pound (680 kg) armor piercing shells some
13 miles (21 km). Her secondary battery consisted of 21 5"/51 caliber
(130 mm) guns.[9] She originally also mounted four 21-inch (533 mm)
torpedo tubes, two on each side forward at frame 31, with a magazine of
12 torpedoes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(BB-35)
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/texas.htm


And the OTHER U.S.S. Texas - SSN 775... Virginia Class.
http://www.usstexas.org/
http://www.sublant.navy.mil/texas775.html

Richard

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:59 -0600, "LLBrown"
wrote:


My wife and I visited the Missouri in Pearl on our way to Maui a
couple years ago. There wasn't a lot of the ship open, restorations
having just gotten started. I mainly wanted to see the surrender
spot. The conning station or whatever they called it was something to
see, a little room with at least foot thick armor.

I uploaded the photos to this link: http://peteiii.smugmug.com/. Look
for the BB-63 album.

Pete Keillor

If you can see the USS Texas in Houston sometime. It was most likely a
hellhole in WWII. It had twice as many men as it was built for back in WWI
and they had to hang everywhere to sleep. It is the last of the original
dreadnaught class, it seems tiny compaired to the Alabama.

LLB

The Texas was my first and favorite. We used to do almost an annual
field trip when I was in school as we were only an hour south. I took
my sons when they were young as well. For a Texan, San Jacinto is a
special place. I'd guess I've been there about a dozen times.

I've been to the Alabama in Mobile on the way to Disney World. My
godfather served on her. One of these days I'd like to spend a long
weekend in Norfolk to visit the Wisconsin and the museums around
there.

Pete Keillor

We had a shell at school - Physics lab. I didn't think it was 14
but a 12. Maybe 14. It has been 40+ years since I eyed it!

Thanks Richard. I'll pass that to my wife the History person in
the family.
Martin

Richard wrote:
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
I as well with the USS Texas. It is a couple hundred miles from here -
and not much time for play. Hope to do so soon. She was an older
version
with 12" guns. I want to say my great cousin had here in his navy :-)
He was Pacific in his last active days.

Martin


Ok, so I'm picky.

Texas’s main battery consisted of ten 14"/45 caliber (356 mm) Mark 8
guns, which could hurl 1,500-pound (680 kg) armor piercing shells some
13 miles (21 km). Her secondary battery consisted of 21 5"/51 caliber
(130 mm) guns.[9] She originally also mounted four 21-inch (533 mm)
torpedo tubes, two on each side forward at frame 31, with a magazine of
12 torpedoes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(BB-35)
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/texas.htm


And the OTHER U.S.S. Texas - SSN 775... Virginia Class.
http://www.usstexas.org/
http://www.sublant.navy.mil/texas775.html

Richard

I agree about San Jacinto site. That is one of the issues. They,
the San Jacinto committee is trying to kick out the Texas so they can
put something on the bank area where it is tied up. It is a shame on
the short sighted logic on their behalf.

Martin

Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:59 -0600, "LLBrown"
wrote:

My wife and I visited the Missouri in Pearl on our way to Maui a
couple years ago. There wasn't a lot of the ship open, restorations
having just gotten started. I mainly wanted to see the surrender
spot. The conning station or whatever they called it was something to
see, a little room with at least foot thick armor.

I uploaded the photos to this link: http://peteiii.smugmug.com/. Look
for the BB-63 album.

Pete Keillor
If you can see the USS Texas in Houston sometime. It was most likely a
hellhole in WWII. It had twice as many men as it was built for back in WWI
and they had to hang everywhere to sleep. It is the last of the original
dreadnaught class, it seems tiny compaired to the Alabama.

LLB

The Texas was my first and favorite. We used to do almost an annual
field trip when I was in school as we were only an hour south. I took
my sons when they were young as well. For a Texan, San Jacinto is a
special place. I'd guess I've been there about a dozen times.

I've been to the Alabama in Mobile on the way to Disney World. My
godfather served on her. One of these days I'd like to spend a long
weekend in Norfolk to visit the Wisconsin and the museums around
there.

Pete Keillor

Reading on some of this - the Texas was re-fitted after D-Day
and went into the Pacific to help near the end and did.

Perhaps the first set - more reading ... - was a 12 set and the
larger 14's were retro post D-Day - and before treaty limited
the re-fitting or the smaller class.

I suspect the 14's were like the 16's using powder bags and a
big bullet. The 12 shell I had was like a monster 38 caliber
being brass straight side (not bottle nose).

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
We had a shell at school - Physics lab. I didn't think it was 14
but a 12. Maybe 14. It has been 40+ years since I eyed it!

Thanks Richard. I'll pass that to my wife the History person in
the family.
Martin

Richard wrote:
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
I as well with the USS Texas. It is a couple hundred miles from here -
and not much time for play. Hope to do so soon. She was an older
version
with 12" guns. I want to say my great cousin had here in his navy :-)
He was Pacific in his last active days.

Martin


Ok, so I'm picky.

Texas’s main battery consisted of ten 14"/45 caliber (356 mm) Mark 8
guns, which could hurl 1,500-pound (680 kg) armor piercing shells some
13 miles (21 km). Her secondary battery consisted of 21 5"/51 caliber
(130 mm) guns.[9] She originally also mounted four 21-inch (533 mm)
torpedo tubes, two on each side forward at frame 31, with a magazine of
12 torpedoes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(BB-35)
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/texas.htm


And the OTHER U.S.S. Texas - SSN 775... Virginia Class.
http://www.usstexas.org/
http://www.sublant.navy.mil/texas775.html

Richard

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

Reading on some of this - the Texas was re-fitted after D-Day
and went into the Pacific to help near the end and did.

Perhaps the first set - more reading ... - was a 12 set and the
larger 14's were retro post D-Day - and before treaty limited
the re-fitting or the smaller class.

I suspect the 14's were like the 16's using powder bags and a
big bullet. The 12 shell I had was like a monster 38 caliber
being brass straight side (not bottle nose).

Martin

As memory serves, Texas (and the entire New York class BBs) were
built with 14" guns from the start.

12 and 14 are completely different systems.
Not something that can be "refitted" without tearing down to the keel.

I believe the 14s were indeed powder bagged guns.


http://www.usstexasbb35.com/building_the_texas.htm


Richard

sorry, forgot the gun link...

http://naval-history.suite101.com/ar...ibre_naval_gun

The 16 inch guns may be the better known, but 14s won the war...

I was on the first Texas - you the second. 12"/35 gun picture from 1898.
We are on the fourth now. The fourth is a Sub...

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...-t/texas-a.htm

Thanks,
Martin


cavelamb wrote:
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

Reading on some of this - the Texas was re-fitted after D-Day
and went into the Pacific to help near the end and did.

Perhaps the first set - more reading ... - was a 12 set and the
larger 14's were retro post D-Day - and before treaty limited
the re-fitting or the smaller class.

I suspect the 14's were like the 16's using powder bags and a
big bullet. The 12 shell I had was like a monster 38 caliber
being brass straight side (not bottle nose).

Martin

As memory serves, Texas (and the entire New York class BBs) were
built with 14" guns from the start.

12 and 14 are completely different systems.
Not something that can be "refitted" without tearing down to the keel.

I believe the 14s were indeed powder bagged guns.


http://www.usstexasbb35.com/building_the_texas.htm


Richard

But the 12's won the war - Spanish American. Texas went to Cuba.

The WW I/II model had 14" and then guided missile, and now Sub.

Martin

cavelamb wrote:
sorry, forgot the gun link...

http://naval-history.suite101.com/ar...ibre_naval_gun


The 16 inch guns may be the better known, but 14s won the war...

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
I was on the first Texas - you the second. 12"/35 gun picture from 1898.
We are on the fourth now. The fourth is a Sub...

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...-t/texas-a.htm

Thanks,
Martin


AH! Enlightenment!