"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/

RB wrote:

"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/

Sorry if I don't get your take on this but I think it means they fully understand what the
cost has been in human lives. I hope this post was positive and not a criticism.

I would think that having the president or vice president actually address a families loss
would be a comfort of a sort.

I think it speaks well of them,

Wes

USMC 75-79

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:21:33 -0600, RB wrote:

"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/


Damn that man!!


Gunner

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:00:46 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:21:33 -0600, RB wrote:

"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/


Damn that man!!

Yes, for starting the war which caused shrug/cheney to feel so guilty.

Covert action is much cleaner and less costly, both hardware- and
manpower-wise.

--
Women and cats will do as they please,

and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.

--Robert A. Heinlein

Wes wrote:
RB wrote:

"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/

Sorry if I don't get your take on this but I think it means they fully understand what the
cost has been in human lives. I hope this post was positive and not a criticism.

I would think that having the president or vice president actually address a families loss
would be a comfort of a sort.

I think it speaks well of them,

Wes

USMC 75-79

Wes, I've supported GWB all along.
He's human, and thus flawed, but I think overall he's done a good job.
He is a committed Christian, and lives it every day.
History will treat him better than his contemporaries.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:02:44 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/


Damn that man!!

Yes, for starting the war which caused shrug/cheney to feel so guilty.

You seem to have left out these people.....

WMD--THE DEMOCRAT BETRAYAL (EAT THIS HARRY REID! YOUR OWN PARTY SAID
SADDAM HAD WMD BEFORE W. DID!)
Front Page Magazine ^ | 11/02/05

Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:00:30 PM by MikeA

As I have often said (and resaid) the inexcusable element in the
Democrats' attacks on their President in the midst of a war is that they
are betraying a war they authorized in the first place. In the wake of
Harry Reid's unhinged accusations the Republican National Committee has
posted a collection of statements by Democratic Party leaders reminding
us why we went to war.

DEM OFFICIALS HAVE WARNED ABOUT WMDs IN IRAQ FOR YEARS

Former President Bill Clinton:

President Clinton: "We Have To Defend Our Future From These Predators Of
The 21st Century. They Feed On The Free Flow Of Information And
Technology. They Actually Take Advantage Of The Freer Movement Of
People, Information And Ideas. And They Will Be All The More Lethal If
We Allow Them To Build Arsenals Of Nuclear, Chemical And Biological
Weapons And The Missiles To Deliver Them. We Simply Cannot Allow That To
Happen. There Is No More Clear Example Of This Threat Than Saddam
Hussein's Iraq. His Regime Threatens The Safety Of His People, The
Stability Of His Region And The Security Of All The Rest Of Us."
(President Clinton, Remarks To Joint Chiefs Of Staff And Pentagon Staff,
2 /17/98)

President Clinton: "Earlier Today I Ordered America's Armed Forces To
Strike Military And Security Targets In Iraq... Their Mission Is To
Attack Iraq's Nuclear, Chemical And Biological Weapons Programs And Its
Military Capacity To Threaten Its Neighbors ..." ("Text Of Clinton
Statement On Iraq Attack," Agence France Presse, 12/17/98)

Former Vice President Al Go

Go "You Know, In 1991, I Was One Of Those Who Put Partisanship
Completely Aside And Supported President Bush At That Time In Launching
The Gulf War. And In That War, We Saw How Saddam Had Threatened His
Neighbors And Was Trying To Get Nuclear Weapons, Chemical Weapons, And
Biological Weapons. And We're Not Going To Allow Him To Succeed." (CNN's
"Larry King Live," 12/16/98)

Go "[i]f You Allow Someone Like Saddam Hussein To Get Nuclear
Weapons, Ballistic Missiles, Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons, How
Many People Is He Going To Kill With Such Weapons? He's Already
Demonstrated A Willingness To Use These Weapons ..." (CNN's "Larry King
Live," 12/16/98)

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY):

Sen. Clinton: "I Voted For The Iraqi Resolution. I Consider The Prospect
Of A Nuclear-Armed Saddam Hussein Who Can Threaten Not Only His
Neighbors, But The Stability Of The Region And The World, A Very Serious
Threat To The United States." (Senator Hillary Clinton [D-NY], Press
Conference, January 22, 2003)

Sen. Clinton: "In The Four Years Since The Inspectors, Intelligence
Reports Show That Saddam Hussein Has Worked To Rebuild His Chemical And
Biological Weapons Stock, His Missile Delivery Capability, And His
Nuclear Program. ... It Is Clear, However, That If Left Unchecked,
Saddam Hussein Will Continue To Increase His Capability To Wage
Biological And Chemical Warfare And Will Keep Trying To Develop Nuclear
Weapons." (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p.
S10288)

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA):

Sen. Kerry: "The Crisis Is Even More Threatening By Virtue Of The Fact
That Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability, And Is Pursuing A
Nuclear Weapons Development Program." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional
Record, 10/2/90, p. S14332)

Sen. Kerry: "If You Don't Believe ... Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With
Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn't Vote For Me." (Ronald Brownstein,
"On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd," Los Angeles Times,
1/31/03)

Former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC):

Sen. Edwards: "Serving On The Intelligence Committee And Seeing Day
After Day, Week After Week, Briefings On Saddam's Weapons Of Mass
Destruction And His Plans On Using Those Weapons, He Cannot Be Allowed
To Have Nuclear Weapons, It's Just That Simple. The Whole World Changes
If Saddam Ever Has Nuclear Weapons." (MSNBC's "Buchanan And Press,"
1/7/03)

Sen. Edwards: "The Question Is Whether We're Going To Let This Man
[Saddam] Who's Been Developing Weapons Of Mass Destruction Continue To
Develop Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Get Nuclear Capability, And Get To
The Place Where If We're Going To Stop Him, If He Invades A Country
Around Him, It'll Cost Millions Of Lives As Opposed To Thousands Of
Lives." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 2/6/03)

Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV):

Reid: "The Problem Is Not Nuclear Testing; It Is Nuclear Weapons ... The
Number Of Third World Countries With Nuclear Capabilities Seems To Grow
Daily. Saddam Hussein's Near Success With Developing A Nuclear Weapon
Should Be An Eye-Opener For Us All." (Sen. Harry Reid, Congressional
Record, 8/3/92, p. S11188)

Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN):

Bayh: "In My Opinion - And I Do, As You Know, I'm Fairly Hawkish On
Iraq. I'm Inclined To Support Going In There And Dealing With Saddam.
But I Think That Case Needs To Be Made On A Separate Basis - His
Possession Of Biological And Chemical Weapons, His Desire To Get Nuclear
Weapons, His Proven Track Record Of Attacking His Neighbors And Others."
(CNN's "Late Edition," 8/4/02)

Bayh: "The Question Is, Do You Want Saddam Hussein Having Chemical
Weapons, Having Biological Weapons, Possibly One Day Having A Nuclear
Weapon? Do You Want To Have To Deal With That? And If The Answer Is No,
Then What Do You Do About It And When Do You Do Something About It?"
(CNN's "Live Event/Special," 12/1/01)

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE):

Biden: "First Of All, We Don't Know Exactly What He Has. ... We Know He
Continues To Attempt To Gain Access To Additional Capability, Including
Nuclear Capability. There Is A Real Debate How Far Off That Is, Whether
It's A Matter Of Years Or Whether It's A Matter Of Less Than That, And
So There's Much We Don't Know." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/4/02)

Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM):

Richardson: "The Threat Of Nuclear Proliferation Is One Of The Big
Challenges That We Have Now, Especially By States That Have Nuclear
Weapons, Outlaw States Like Iraq." (ABC's "Good Morning America,"
5/29/98)

Former Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL):

Sen. Graham: "I Don't Know If I've Seen All The Evidence, But I've Seen
Enough To Be Satisfied That There Has Been A Continuing Effort By Saddam
Hussein Since The End Of The Gulf War, Particularly Since 1998, To
Re-Establish And Enhance Iraq's Capacity Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction,
Chemical, Biological And Nuclear." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 12/8/02)

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL):

Durbin: "One Of The Most Compelling Threats We In This Country Face
Today Is The Proliferation Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Threat
Assessments Regularly Warn Us Of The Possibility That North Korea, Iran,
Iraq, Or Some Other Nation May Acquire Or Develop Nuclear Weapons."
(Sen. Dick Durbin, Congressional Record, 9/30/99, p. S11673)

Sen. Russell Feingold (D-WI):

Feingold: "With Regard To Iraq, I Agree, Iraq Presents A Genuine Threat,
Especially In The Form Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Chemical,
Biological, And Potentially Nuclear Weapons. I Agree That Saddam Hussein
Is Exceptionally Dangerous And Brutal, If Not Uniquely So, As The
President Argues." (Sen. Russell Feingold [D-WI], Congressional Record,
10/9/05, p. S10147)

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL):

Nelson: "And My Own Personal View Is, I Think Saddam Has Chemical And
Biological Weapons, And I Expect That He Is Trying To Develop A Nuclear
Weapon. So At Some Point, We Might Have To Act Precipitously." (CNN's
"Late Edition," 8/25/02)

Nelson: "Well, I Believe He Has Chemical And Biological Weapons. I Think
He's Trying To Develop Nuclear Weapons. And The Fact That He Might Use
Those Is A Considerable Threat To Us." (CNBC, "Tim Russert," 9/14/02)

Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV):

Sen. Byrd: "The Last U.N. Weapons Inspectors Left Iraq In October Of
1998. We Are Confident That Saddam Hussein Retains Some Stockpiles Of
Chemical And Biological Weapons, And That He Has Since Embarked On A
Crash Course To Build Up His Chemical And Biological Warfare
Capabilities. Intelligence Reports Indicate That He Is Seeking Nuclear
Weapons ..." ("Threats And Responses," The New York Times, 10/4/02)

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA):

Pelosi: "Others Have Talked About This Threat That Is Posed By Saddam
Hussein. Yes, He Has Chemical Weapons, He Has Biological Weapons, He Is
Trying To Get Nuclear Weapons." (Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Congressional
Record, 10/10/02, p. H7777)

Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA):

Harman: "I Certainly Think [Saddam's] Developing Nuclear Capability,
Which, Fortunately, The Israelis Set Back 20 Years Ago With Their
Preemptive Attack, Which, In Hindsight, Looks Pretty Darn Good." (Fox
News' "The Big Story," 8/27/02)

Former Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO):

"Gephardt Said He's Seen 'A Large Body Of Intelligence Information Over
A Long Time That He Is Working On And Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction.
Before 1991, He Was Close To Having A Nuclear Device. Now, You'll Get A
Debate About Whether It's One Year Away Or Five Or Six." (Morton M.
Kondracke, "Gephardt Pushes Consensus Action Against Iraq Threat," Roll
Call, 9/23/02)

Former Secretary Of State Madeline Albright:

Madeline Albright: "Iraq Is A Long Way From [Here], But What Happens
There Matters A Great Deal Here, For The Risk That The Leaders Of A
Rogue State Will Use Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons Against Us
Or Our Allies Is The Greatest Security Threat We Face, And It Is A
Threat Against Which We Must And Will Stand Firm." ("Secretary Of State
Madeleine Albright, Secretary Of Defense William Cohen And National
Security Adviser Sandy Berger Participate In Town Hall Meeting," Federal
News Service, 2/18/98)

Covert action is much cleaner and less costly, both hardware- and
manpower-wise.


But when you have no HUMINT in the area, you tend to lose more people
than ever. We can thank Clinton for destroying funding for ME HUMINT
resources

Gunner

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:44:40 -0600, RB wrote:

Wes wrote:
RB wrote:

"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/

Sorry if I don't get your take on this but I think it means they fully understand what the
cost has been in human lives. I hope this post was positive and not a criticism.

I would think that having the president or vice president actually address a families loss
would be a comfort of a sort.

I think it speaks well of them,

Wes

USMC 75-79

Wes, I've supported GWB all along.
He's human, and thus flawed, but I think overall he's done a good job.
He is a committed Christian, and lives it every day.
History will treat him better than his contemporaries.

I ignore the Christian part, but I agree with the rest of your post
indeed.

Gunner


"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

Wes wrote:
RB wrote:

"For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President
Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House.
It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential
letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or
sometimes left the news media in the dark.

"Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting
in
Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift
the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country. "

For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/

Sorry if I don't get your take on this but I think it means they fully
understand what the
cost has been in human lives. I hope this post was positive and not a
criticism.

I would think that having the president or vice president actually
address a families loss
would be a comfort of a sort.

I think it speaks well of them,

Wes

USMC 75-79

Wes, I've supported GWB all along.
He's human, and thus flawed, but I think overall he's done a good job.
He is a committed Christian, and lives it every day.
History will treat him better than his contemporaries.

I ignore the Christian part, but I agree with the rest of your post
indeed.

Gunner


Yeah, I agree with you guys too. Bush has been one of America's best
presidents, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are both successes, and the
tooth fairy is real.

Hawke

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:04:53 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:02:44 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/


Damn that man!!

Yes, for starting the war which caused shrug/cheney to feel so guilty.

You seem to have left out these people.....
--big snip--
Yeah, them, too.


Covert action is much cleaner and less costly, both hardware- and
manpower-wise.

But when you have no HUMINT in the area, you tend to lose more people
than ever. We can thank Clinton for destroying funding for ME HUMINT
resources

Wasn't Slick also the first to let bin Laden go untouched?

--
Women and cats will do as they please,

and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.

--Robert A. Heinlein

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:05:41 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:04:53 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:02:44 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...ivately/print/


Damn that man!!

Yes, for starting the war which caused shrug/cheney to feel so guilty.

You seem to have left out these people.....
--big snip--
Yeah, them, too.


Covert action is much cleaner and less costly, both hardware- and
manpower-wise.

But when you have no HUMINT in the area, you tend to lose more people
than ever. We can thank Clinton for destroying funding for ME HUMINT
resources

Wasn't Slick also the first to let bin Laden go untouched?

All THREE (3) times

Gunner


"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:04:53 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:02:44 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


For example, Bush has written over four thousand personal letters of
condolence to the families of fallen soldiers.


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...mforted-troops
-privately/print/


Damn that man!!

Yes, for starting the war which caused shrug/cheney to feel so guilty.

You seem to have left out these people.....
--big snip--
Yeah, them, too.


Covert action is much cleaner and less costly, both hardware- and
manpower-wise.

But when you have no HUMINT in the area, you tend to lose more people
than ever. We can thank Clinton for destroying funding for ME HUMINT
resources

Wasn't Slick also the first to let bin Laden go untouched?

I don't know. But wasn't it Bush who also let him go when he had him
cornered in Tora Bora, and also had eight full years and a green light to
find him? You'd think someone that vowed to get Bin Laden would get him
whatever the cost. But nope, he left him untouched just like Clinton. The
question is why would some people act like Clinton failed to do his job by
not getting bin Laden but say nothing about Bush not getting him? Or about
Bush starting two wars and not winning either of them either?

Hawke