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I posted pics for another discussion, so might as well spread some weirdness
here too. I didn't have access to a TIG welder at the time, or funds to pay someone. I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. It corroded as the PO had never changed the coolant, and it undermined the metal ring under the headgasket, allowing the gasket to blow. The hole didn't actually enter the combustion chamber. I figured i would junk the truck rather than buy a head, so i used a spot-blaster to clean the metal, epoxied it and filed it smooth. It's been 4.5 years and still holding. I wouldn't have believed it, and would never have tried it on someone else's engine. http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...e/IMG_0891.jpg http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...e/IMG_0892.jpg http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...e/IMG_0898.jpg -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
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On Oct 30, 9:24*am, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
I posted pics for another discussion, so might as well spread some weirdness here too. I didn't have access to a TIG welder at the time, or funds to pay someone. *I *actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. It corroded as the PO had never changed the coolant, and it undermined the metal ring under the headgasket, allowing the gasket to blow. The hole didn't actually enter the combustion chamber. I figured i would junk the truck rather than buy a head, so i used a spot-blaster to clean the metal, epoxied it and filed it smooth. *It's been 4.5 years and still holding. I wouldn't have believed it, and would never have tried it on someone else's engine.http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...e/IMG_0898.jpg -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty You tease us, then offer no 'after' pics? There are indeed things JB weld does really well. Dave |
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I just used it to effect a similar repair on my Escort. Same
issue, coolant not maintained. I was losing coolant, but not getting any CO in the coolant. (there's a neat chemical test to check for this, a mechanic friend scoped it out for me) A dropped valve seat forced the issue, and I found the head has two large openings on the intake side, the sole purpose of which appears to be to let the core sand out. These two spots on the intake manifold had deep corrosion with pits extending to the #4 hole. Which was clean as a whistle.... I expect the repair to last as long as I own the car. Jon |
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What would the world be like without JB weld and duct tape?
Karl |
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Stupendous Man writes:
I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:04:10 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote: Stupendous Man writes: I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. He didn'd say he "welded" the head, he said he "JB Welded" the head. If the stuff was called metal putty he would have said he "metal puttied" the head. And even prior to epoxy, there were "wonder putties" that sealed up cooling leaks very well. Things like IronTite and other "boiler sealers"repaired many a cracked engine block in years gone by - some which remained in service for DECADES on the repair. |
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"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message Stupendous Man writes: I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. I agree, it's _glued_ . What I really hate is people trying to fix something with jbweld and then bring it in for welding. That stuff produces the most hateful fumes known to man, very toxic stuff! And it is a bitch to get rid of it all to weld, especially when it has been pressed into the crack and extruded on the inside. How about that jbquick, for those times when you absolutely do not have the time to do it right.;) phil |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:30:30 -0500, "Phil Kangas"
wrote: "Richard J Kinch" wrote in message Stupendous Man writes: I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. I agree, it's _glued_ . What I really hate is people trying to fix something with jbweld and then bring it in for welding. That stuff produces the most hateful fumes known to man, very toxic stuff! And it is a bitch to get rid of it all to weld, especially when it has been pressed into the crack and extruded on the inside. How about that jbquick, for those times when you absolutely do not have the time to do it right.;) phil JB Weld is not for when you don't have time to do it right NOW. It's for when it's fix it cheap NOW or throw it out - don't plan on fixing it right later. |
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Clare wrote:
"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message Stupendous Man writes: I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. I agree, it's _glued_ . What I really hate is people trying to fix something with jbweld and then bring it in for welding. That stuff produces the most hateful fumes known to man, very toxic stuff! And it is a bitch to get rid of it all to weld, especially when it has been pressed into the crack and extruded on the inside. How about that jbquick, for those times when you absolutely do not have the time to do it right.;) phil JB Weld is not for when you don't have time to do it right NOW. It's for when it's fix it cheap NOW or throw it out - don't plan on fixing it right later. So you are willing to throw out an expensive component because of one mangled feature that could be easily repaired by welding and re-machining if neccessary? I see plenty of that in my work. jbweld didn't fix that stripped thread so why is it now on my weld table full of jbweld? Same for this crankcase, the jbweld had no chance of adhering to anything on that motor oily and hot so why am I dealing with it on my table? jbweld, like you say, should be left for use on the junk stuff, only.......;) A better alternative would be Devcon Plastic Steel, two part epoxy. It comes in liquid slow cure and five minute putty too. Great stuff, makes jbweld look like the pigeon sh.t it is. Hey, now that I got started on a rant let me add teflon tape (rarely appropriate ) and black plastic electrical tape ( it never stays on ). Thanks for listening, I feel better now...... phil |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:18:20 -0500, "Phil Kangas"
wrote: Clare wrote: "Richard J Kinch" wrote in message Stupendous Man writes: I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. I agree, it's _glued_ . What I really hate is people trying to fix something with jbweld and then bring it in for welding. That stuff produces the most hateful fumes known to man, very toxic stuff! And it is a bitch to get rid of it all to weld, especially when it has been pressed into the crack and extruded on the inside. How about that jbquick, for those times when you absolutely do not have the time to do it right.;) phil JB Weld is not for when you don't have time to do it right NOW. It's for when it's fix it cheap NOW or throw it out - don't plan on fixing it right later. So you are willing to throw out an expensive component because of one mangled feature that could be easily repaired by welding and re-machining if neccessary? I see plenty of that in my work. jbweld didn't fix that stripped thread so why is it now on my weld table full of jbweld? Same for this crankcase, the jbweld had no chance of adhering to anything on that motor oily and hot so why am I dealing with it on my table? jbweld, like you say, should be left for use on the junk stuff, only.......;) A better alternative would be Devcon Plastic Steel, two part epoxy. It comes in liquid slow cure and five minute putty too. Great stuff, makes jbweld look like the pigeon sh.t it is. Hey, now that I got started on a rant let me add teflon tape (rarely appropriate ) and black plastic electrical tape ( it never stays on ). Thanks for listening, I feel better now...... phil Stretch the electrical tape good as you apply, don't stretch the last wrap. Works for me. I agree on the teflon tape. Doesn't prevent galling on stainless, tendrils plug small orifices, etc. Pete Keillor |
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Pete Keillor wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:18:20 -0500, "Phil Kangas" wrote: Clare wrote: "Richard J Kinch" wrote in message Stupendous Man writes: I actually JB welded an aluminum cyl head on my Datsun truck. No, you glued, not welded. JB Well-Duh is common epoxy cement with a name for suckers. Epoxy is a modern miracle. But it is not welding. I agree, it's _glued_ . What I really hate is people trying to fix something with jbweld and then bring it in for welding. That stuff produces the most hateful fumes known to man, very toxic stuff! And it is a bitch to get rid of it all to weld, especially when it has been pressed into the crack and extruded on the inside. How about that jbquick, for those times when you absolutely do not have the time to do it right.;) phil JB Weld is not for when you don't have time to do it right NOW. It's for when it's fix it cheap NOW or throw it out - don't plan on fixing it right later. So you are willing to throw out an expensive component because of one mangled feature that could be easily repaired by welding and re-machining if neccessary? I see plenty of that in my work. jbweld didn't fix that stripped thread so why is it now on my weld table full of jbweld? Same for this crankcase, the jbweld had no chance of adhering to anything on that motor oily and hot so why am I dealing with it on my table? jbweld, like you say, should be left for use on the junk stuff, only.......;) A better alternative would be Devcon Plastic Steel, two part epoxy. It comes in liquid slow cure and five minute putty too. Great stuff, makes jbweld look like the pigeon sh.t it is. Hey, now that I got started on a rant let me add teflon tape (rarely appropriate ) and black plastic electrical tape ( it never stays on ). Thanks for listening, I feel better now...... phil Stretch the electrical tape good as you apply, don't stretch the last wrap. Works for me. And spend the $ on the good 3M Super 33+, not the $0.49 garbage. |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:53:56 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote: Pete Keillor wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:18:20 -0500, "Phil Kangas" snip Stretch the electrical tape good as you apply, don't stretch the last wrap. Works for me. And spend the $ on the good 3M Super 33+, not the $0.49 garbage. Yes indeed. |
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