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Starkiller wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:08:53 -0500, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
wrote:

"Starkiller" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 01:40:01 -0700 (PDT), Siobhan Medeiros
wrote:

On Aug 2, 6:54 pm, Starkiller wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), Siobhan Medeiros



wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:58 pm, Starkiller wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:14:35 -0700 (PDT), Siobhan Medeiros
wrote:
On Aug 2, 2:41 pm, Starkiller wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Siobhan Medeiros
wrote:
On Aug 2, 11:54 am, "Jeff R." wrote:
Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
On Aug 2, 6:36 am, genie wrote:
On Aug 1, 1:34 am, "Hawke"
wrote:
.... Name any other country that offers better
opportunities to succeed in life, for ANY Race, color or
creed.
Canada
Australia
Also Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Czechslovakia, Spain, New
Zealand, Portugal, and Spain.
Yeah right.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...1039F935A15752...
As a Nigerian-born chef working in Britain, Richard Olufeko has
encountered plenty of workplace discrimination, including being
demoted and then dismissed two years ago from a London restaurant
in
what a Government equal-opportunity board later ruled was an act
of
blatant racism.
But when it comes to redressing discrimination, Mr. Olufeko is
wary of
American-style affirmative action plans, where jobs can be seen to
go
to people because of their race or sex. Although he has some
reservations, he broadly supports Britain's system, which outlaws
employment discrimination generally, but bars the use of quotas or
any
preference programs to help end bias in hiring and promotion.
It's important to have a certain number of black people in a
workplace
to provide representation and encouragement," Mr. Olufeko said.
"But
we have to be careful here. When you try to force people to do
something, it often backfires."
Affirmative action is not yet as hotly debated in Europe as it is
in
the United States. But as their populations become more racially
and
ethnically diverse, and as women demand greater economic
opportunities, many European countries are being forced to deal
more
directly with employment discrimination.
And while they are still grappling with how to address the issue,
there is a growing consensus among governments, employers, unions
and
groups representing minorities and women that the American model
of
aggressive affirmative action creates more problems than it
solves.
The European approach, which has generally involved governments'
financing training programs, encouraging employers to step up
recruitment and taking legal action in discrimination cases, has
yielded some successes. The successes have come mostly in
increasing
the proportion of women hired by national and local governments.
But
progress in changing employment patterns in corporate Europe has
been
much slower, and little effort has been directed at increasing
minority opportunities in either the public or private sector.
"The mentality is such that if you want to make progress toward
equality you have to adopt means that are acceptable to people,"
said
Catherine Comtet-Simpson, a lawyer with the International Labor
Organization in Geneva. "If you engage in discrimination to find
remedies to discrimination, it would not be accepted. In the U.S
it
was accepted, and perhaps it went too far."
People who study employment discrimination say that women in
Europe
are badly underrepresented outside of traditional female jobs like
those of cashier, nurse and teacher, and that the
underrepresentation
is particularly acute in the upper ranks of big corporations.
Women in Europe are also paid substantially less on the average
than
men for the same work. The International Labor Organization said
the
disparity ranges from 20 percent to 50 percent depending on job
category and country. In France the average differential is 30
percent, the group said.
About 85 percent of the 53,000 employees of Marks & Spencer, the
British retailer, are women, But none of the company's top 17
executives and only two of its 32 divisional directors are women.
The
company said the proportion of women in its senior executive ranks
is
increasing.
In Britain, men and women from racial and ethnic minorities are
twice
as likely as white people to be unemployed, although officials
said
job discrimination is just one reason for the disparity. In
London,
where members of minority groups constitute roughly 20 percent of
the
population, the Metropolitan Police force is 97.3 percent white,
although the department said applications from nonwhites are
increasing as it steps up recruitment efforts.
Even where Europe does have programs that give preference to women
and
minorities, they are coming under intense legal scrutiny.
In October the European Court of Justice, which applies the legal
directives adopted by the European Union to cases in the member
nations, struck down a program in the German city of Bremen that
required municipal agencies to give preference to women over men
in
job categories where women were underrepresented, assuming the
women
had at least equal qualifications.
_______________________
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...n24217341/prin...
In today's world, contemporary forms of racism and racial
discrimination are complex and disturbing. In Europe, these issues
increasingly lie at the heart of political and social concerns.
Faced
with persistent expressions of racism and xenophobia, the Council
of
Europe Member States (1) have, for several years now, been taking
firm
and sustained action to combat these trends.
Without making an exhaustive inventory of the situation and
listing
all the problems observed, we can outline a few broad categories
in
which racism and racial discrimination occur: day to day life in
major
areas, such as employment, education, housing and access to social
services; human rights violations against members of Roma
communities;
hostile attitudes to and stigmatization of migrants, refugees and
asylum-seekers; increasingly widespread anti-Semitic incidents:
intensification of expressions of Islamophobia; use of racist,
anti-Semitic and xenophobic arguments in political discourse; and
a
negative climate in public opinion, which plays a crucial part in
the
emergence of expressions of racism and intolerance in society.
These
trends, of course, vary in scale from one country to another, but
are
significant enough to be of concern.
'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is
big enough to take away everything you have.'
"You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."
Big deal. Compared to the problems in the US, the European issues
are
negligible.
How's life on the Indian reservations down there?
I choose not to live on the res as it would require me to travel even
more than I currently do. Not much demand for my profession there.
The schools, hospital, casinos and other construction that I would be
involved with are all completed, so if I lived there I'd be gone all
the time.
How is it for the Indians in Canada hotshot?
Only a moron would try to tell an Indian about being an Indian.
And you're supposed to be an Indian now?
What a ****ing baboon. Ask anyone that's been posting here for ohh
the last ten years or so. Never claimed to be anything but an NDN.
Full blooded Cherokee. It's definitely not news to anyone that's been
around here very long.

'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is
big enough to take away everything you have.'

"You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."
OK, so you're a sell out. Got it.
Sell out how? My tribe's reservation does just fine. Look up
Cherokee North Carolina.
Nevertheless, you appear to be quite the bigot since you apparently
think that the only place for an Indian is on a reservation. But then
that's typical of Canadian bigots. Most Canadians aren't so arrogant
and racist but there are always a few in every crowd yes?

When you look at the North Carolina res or the Pearl River Choctaw res
in Mississippi, they have good schools and public services and
virtually no poverty. That under mostly Republican representation.
The Pine Ridge res of the Lakotas has had people like Tom Daschle
supposedly on their side for years. Funny how the reservations in
states with more Republicans are doing so much better than those in
the Dakotas. It's quite a shame that a lot of reservation dwelling
Indians believe that the democrats are going to be their best bet.
They've been conned into believing that for years even though they
have seen very limited results from their democratic representatives.

Just like the African American population here in Memphis. They keep
voting democrats in the local offices and continue to get screwed
over. But the politicos continue to preach that "if you think it's
bad now, just elect a Republican". Which sadly has worked and
continues to bankrupt the city and county.
Under democrat leadership the city is shrinking instead of growing and
the mayor is on a constant push to raise taxes to compensate for the
lost revenue from the flight of taxpayers thus creating a nasty cycle.
Like Obama, Herrenten continues to tell the voters that they are going
to have to make sacrifices. Sacrifices that he and his cronies will
never make. Sacrifices such as closing libraries, community centers
and schools. Sacrifices like the city not hiring more police and EMTs
while creating 2.7 jobs per day on average that are filled by friends
and family of the mayor.
When approached by a group that wanted to turn the now vacant and
expensive just to keep Mudd Island into an Indian casino the mayor
siad HELL NO. Even though the citizens were all for it.
Sell out? Sorry, but NO.

Dayam I need to keep up with events more in Memphis. Last time I went to
Memphis was 1991 and we saw the ducks at the Peabody and had a very late
dinner at Charlie Verrigo's. I remember Mudd Island. Did Roger Mudd ever
go there? Before it was called Mudd Island, it was 'President's Island' or
something like that. I used to job hunt in Memphis in the tail end of the
Carter Administrstion. I couldn't buy a job anywhere.

Charles the Curmudgeon

When I went to the unemployment office after getting laid off at that
time the line went around two city blocks three freaking times. We
were on the news that night. They said there was like 4000 people in
line that morning and it remained that long until they shut the doors.
I think you may have gotten Mud Island and Presidents Island confused.
Mud Island used to be a little amusement park/museum of sorts on the
river in front of City Hall. It's still there, just ain't open
anymore. Presidents Island is just north of the Valero Refinery and
is a large industrial park and river port. It's where the majority of
barges offload in Memphis. BTW, I spelled it "Mudd" in the post above
by accident. That was just a typo. Some folks used to think the
island was named after the doctor that treated John Wiles Booth's
broken leg.
Actually the little peninsula formed around 1909 as a sand bar around
a riverboat that had run aground in the shallows and stayed there.
Before they built the park and Harbor Town it was a little airport .
Everytime the river got up high it would cover that part of Mud
Island. Folks had to **** and get in order to keep their planes from
becoming catfish dwellings. They moved the airport a couple of miles
north between the old International Harvester plant and the Levee. It
is "General Dewitt Spain Airport" today.
So the name "Mud Island" stuck to it because it pretty much was a mud
island until the city trucked in a ****load of dirt and rocks to build
it up for the River Walk et al.

After the park shut down due to **** poor management city councilman
Myron Lowery tried to get the city to donate the land to the local
Chickasaw tribe to use as a casino site. The state would have had to
approve all that but it was feasible and would have been legal under
federal statute. The demopcratic mayor Herrenten and his buddies
simply laughed it off because the city would lose control of the
property if donated to the tribe. To hell with the ungodly revenue
that would have been generated for both the tribe and the community.
The mayor wanted his cut.

Ever since Herrenten has become mayor major corporations have come to
town to court the city for plants and corporate headquarters and such.
Everytime they go elsewhere because the mayor wants to know "what's in
it for him?" Not "how will it help the community and the people?" but
how will it help him personally or politically?
Memphis is dying and everyone knows it (which is why I'm moving the
hell out of here when I pay my house off in 5 years or so).
Herrenten screams racism anytime anyone criticizes him whether they
are black or white. This city, for whatever reason, is loaded with
black folks with the attitude that they would rather be governed by a
black crook than an honest white person.
Herrenten has promoted his own brand of racism for so long that now,
when a black citizen is pulled over by a black police officer that
works for a black police chief under a black mayor, they scream that
it's because they're black and accuse the police of racism.
Pure insanity.
I've known a lot of black folks over the years that have moved here
from places like Chicago and Atlanta. Nearly all of them went back to
where they came from because they said Memphis was too racist and they
said it was the black folks here that were the biggest offenders.
Most recently a friend that moved here from Atlanta called me to say
he was returning home because "These fools up here just won't stop
preaching hate" to him. He tried to throw a couple of dinners for his
friends he met here and he got really embarrased by the other black
folks he invited showing up and then walking back out because "they
weren't gonna sit with no damned white mother****ers".
He told me that he had finally had all he could take and was returning
to Atlanta where the black folks weren't so ****ed and bigoted.
Thank you Mayor Herrenten, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al.
Dr. King is probably rolling in his grave.



Regards


Starkiller


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