Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu

Phil Graham was right

On Jul 16, 10:44 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields"
wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out

On Jul 16, 11:44*am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields"
wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? *I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent..
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Best thing I ever did for spraypainting was pick up a couple of the
trigger handles at various tag sales. I know Eastwood carries them,
but there's probably cheaper ones out there too...
--Glenn Lyford

wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:44 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields"
wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Best thing I ever did for spraypainting was pick up a couple of the
trigger handles at various tag sales. I know Eastwood carries them,
but there's probably cheaper ones out there too...

I agree. I have a cheap one and a good one. Saves the ole digit

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip
I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.

Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On Jul 16, 9:44*am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? *I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent..
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu

Couple of things going on. CA's CARB caused a blanket reformulation
of paints in general and spray paints in particular in the late '80s-
early '90s. None to be had on the shelves shelves for almost a year
there. Supposed to reduce VOCs. The replacement stuff was thicker,
didn't spray as finely and ran if you looked cross-wise at it. Clogs
were more common than not.

Roll forward. They used to use propane for propellant on a lot of
paints, it was also a dandy solvent in liquid form, also a VOC.
Replaced with CO2. It dissolved in the fluid and you could get a full
can out before the foof went flat. Still had the same problems with
thick paint, clogs and runs.

Roll forward again. CO2 is now a nasty "greenhouse gas", probably
replaced with nitrogen, hard to get enough in the can to get complete
emptying. Haven't bought much spray paint since the second iteration,
I use thinned brush-type paint and a touchup gun. Best move I ever
made, getting that compressor. When I want a thin coat, I get a thin
coat. No clogs, no runs(that aren't my fault).

Stan

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip
I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.

Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...

I won't buy paint in spray cans. Rust-O-Leum primer and enamels are good
examples of why -- the stuff in spray cans is a completely different
formulation, and nowhere near as good as the stuff they sell for brushing.
Except for some model paints, I haven't bought a spray can for 20 years.

I have a Badger "spray can," which is just a siphon-type mini spray gun, and
I use it for all the jobs for which I'd otherwise use a regular spray can. A
convenient way to supply air for ordinary jobs around the house is a spare
car tire and a Badger adapter for it. For heavier paints I heat the jar in
hot water until it will spray, or, as a last resort, I'll thin it. The
simple gun cleans up in about two minutes.

It also suits my personality: it's cheap as dirt. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.


Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...


The usual cause is the can is simply not shaken enough before
using...


--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

America has become thouroughly convinced that the lunatics
are running the assylum and good idea or no, it will take
more that George W Bush at a press conference to reclaim
the public trust this administration has wantonly destroyed.

John R. Corroll

On Jul 16, 3:06 pm, wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:44 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu

Couple of things going on. CA's CARB caused a blanket reformulation
of paints in general and spray paints in particular in the late '80s-
early '90s. None to be had on the shelves shelves for almost a year
there. Supposed to reduce VOCs. The replacement stuff was thicker,
didn't spray as finely and ran if you looked cross-wise at it. Clogs
were more common than not.

Roll forward. They used to use propane for propellant on a lot of
paints, it was also a dandy solvent in liquid form, also a VOC.
Replaced with CO2. It dissolved in the fluid and you could get a full
can out before the foof went flat. Still had the same problems with
thick paint, clogs and runs.

Roll forward again. CO2 is now a nasty "greenhouse gas", probably
replaced with nitrogen, hard to get enough in the can to get complete
emptying. Haven't bought much spray paint since the second iteration,
I use thinned brush-type paint and a touchup gun. Best move I ever
made, getting that compressor. When I want a thin coat, I get a thin
coat. No clogs, no runs(that aren't my fault).

Stan


All they had to do was use CO2 pulled from the atmosphere- carbon
neutral.

(or say it was, hehe)


Dave

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:32 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.


Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...


The usual cause is the can is simply not shaken enough before
using...

I don't think so in this case. They changed something. I
have ancient cans (30 years old) that still work. Around 10
years ago they started doing something different with them.

--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:32 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.


Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...


The usual cause is the can is simply not shaken enough before
using...


I don't think so in this case. They changed something. I
have ancient cans (30 years old) that still work. Around 10
years ago they started doing something different with them.



Yep, and you really have to shake them now.

I had a bunch of Zinc Chromate replacement stuff that didn't
want to spreay well. Shook them on a real paint shaker for
a couple of minutes and they shaped right up.

Without the internal solvent (propane days) the solids seem
to clump up in the bottom. That clogs the tunes and the
can is useless.

Cheap cans are a lot worse too.

For what it's worth...

--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

America has become thouroughly convinced that the lunatics
are running the assylum and good idea or no, it will take
more that George W Bush at a press conference to reclaim
the public trust this administration has wantonly destroyed.

John R. Corroll

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
On Jul 16, 10:44 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields"
wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the
pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to
remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent
dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out

Throw it out hell. I take them back and get full cans for half cans. But
it's a bitch to only get half a can out, have to buy more than you need, and
have to make a trip to take the defective stuff back. I do like the plastic
handles that go on spray cans. They at least help.

Steve

cavelamb himself wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:32 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.



Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...


The usual cause is the can is simply not shaken enough before
using...



I don't think so in this case. They changed something. I
have ancient cans (30 years old) that still work. Around 10
years ago they started doing something different with them.



Yep, and you really have to shake them now.

I had a bunch of Zinc Chromate replacement stuff that didn't
want to spreay well. Shook them on a real paint shaker for
a couple of minutes and they shaped right up.

Without the internal solvent (propane days) the solids seem
to clump up in the bottom. That clogs the tunes and the
can is useless.

Cheap cans are a lot worse too.

For what it's worth...



SATS...
I just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them.

--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

America has become thouroughly convinced that the lunatics
are running the assylum and good idea or no, it will take
more that George W Bush at a press conference to reclaim
the public trust this administration has wantonly destroyed.

John R. Corroll

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:15:13 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

snip
I won't buy paint in spray cans. Rust-O-Leum primer and enamels are good
examples of why -- the stuff in spray cans is a completely different
formulation, and nowhere near as good as the stuff they sell for brushing.
Except for some model paints, I haven't bought a spray can for 20 years.

I have a Badger "spray can," which is just a siphon-type mini spray gun, and
I use it for all the jobs for which I'd otherwise use a regular spray can. A
convenient way to supply air for ordinary jobs around the house is a spare
car tire and a Badger adapter for it. For heavier paints I heat the jar in
hot water until it will spray, or, as a last resort, I'll thin it. The
simple gun cleans up in about two minutes.

It also suits my personality: it's cheap as dirt. d8-)

I have a small touch-up gun that works well and air-brush
setup, but... you have to get paint into the cup, thin
paint, hook to air compressor, take care of left over paint,
clean gun, put away all said above. I'm not that ambitious
anymore.

I want to grab can off shelf, shake the daylights out of it
for several minutes, spray paint object, blow out/clear
nozzle, put away, wait for paint to dry. This used to be the
way it worked. Still have old ancient cans that work that
way. Pipe bumper on my truck still has black Rust-Oleum put
on this way 25 years ago...

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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:03 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:32 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

snip

I find that I cannot empty the can before the valve plugs up. Not the
nozzel but the valve in the can top Krylon seems to be the worst now.
Hate buying a can and throwing away more than half because I cannot
get anything out.


Not recently, but have had the same problem with Rustoleum.
I figured they reformulated their mixture and/or didn't like
freezing temps in my garage. I try to keep everything
someplace where it doesn't freeze now. This was ~5 years
ago. Just been buy no-name cheap stuff ever since that
amazingly hasn't had that problem so far. But I don't use it
as much as I once did either...


The usual cause is the can is simply not shaken enough before
using...


I don't think so in this case. They changed something. I
have ancient cans (30 years old) that still work. Around 10
years ago they started doing something different with them.



Yep, and you really have to shake them now.

I had a bunch of Zinc Chromate replacement stuff that didn't
want to spreay well. Shook them on a real paint shaker for
a couple of minutes and they shaped right up.

Without the internal solvent (propane days) the solids seem
to clump up in the bottom. That clogs the tunes and the
can is useless.

Cheap cans are a lot worse too.

For what it's worth...

Well, Rust-Oleum is far from cheap. I still have the problem
cans, way too much paint left in them to just toss. I'll
give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. Got nothing to lose trying it

--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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"Leon Fisk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:15:13 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

snip
I won't buy paint in spray cans. Rust-O-Leum primer and enamels are good
examples of why -- the stuff in spray cans is a completely different
formulation, and nowhere near as good as the stuff they sell for brushing.
Except for some model paints, I haven't bought a spray can for 20 years.

I have a Badger "spray can," which is just a siphon-type mini spray gun,
and
I use it for all the jobs for which I'd otherwise use a regular spray can.
A
convenient way to supply air for ordinary jobs around the house is a spare
car tire and a Badger adapter for it. For heavier paints I heat the jar in
hot water until it will spray, or, as a last resort, I'll thin it. The
simple gun cleans up in about two minutes.

It also suits my personality: it's cheap as dirt. d8-)

I have a small touch-up gun that works well and air-brush
setup, but... you have to get paint into the cup, thin
paint, hook to air compressor, take care of left over paint,
clean gun, put away all said above. I'm not that ambitious
anymore.

I have a touch-up gun, too, and a small portable compressor, but using the
Badger "spray can" is much quicker and easier. But it's not as simple as
shaking and spraying, it's true. I've just never found the Badger sprayer to
be enough trouble that it would make me go back to regular spray cans. When
I pump up a tire with my compressor, I usually can use it for several jobs
before filling it again.


I want to grab can off shelf, shake the daylights out of it
for several minutes, spray paint object, blow out/clear
nozzle, put away, wait for paint to dry. This used to be the
way it worked. Still have old ancient cans that work that
way. Pipe bumper on my truck still has black Rust-Oleum put
on this way 25 years ago...

--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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"Leon Fisk" wrote: (clip) I'll
give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. Got nothing to lose trying it
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I usually do the shaking in a stream of hot running water under the swing
faucet. The heat thins the paint, making it mix better and spray better.
The heat raises the pressure of the propellant, which is also good.

But don't do what my friend did. He put the spray can in a coffee can of
water, and heated it on the stove. While it was heating, he went outside,
"just for a minute," and got distracted talking to a neighbor. The pressure
built up in the spray can until the bottom blew out. It shot up like a
rocket, punched a hole in his ceiling, bulged the bottom of the coffee can,
broke the stove grate, and sprayed red paint all over his kitchen

Leo Lichtman wrote:

"Leon Fisk" wrote: (clip) I'll

give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. Got nothing to lose trying it

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I usually do the shaking in a stream of hot running water under the swing
faucet. The heat thins the paint, making it mix better and spray better.
The heat raises the pressure of the propellant, which is also good.

But don't do what my friend did. He put the spray can in a coffee can of
water, and heated it on the stove. While it was heating, he went outside,
"just for a minute," and got distracted talking to a neighbor. The pressure
built up in the spray can until the bottom blew out. It shot up like a
rocket, punched a hole in his ceiling, bulged the bottom of the coffee can,
broke the stove grate, and sprayed red paint all over his kitchen



Or what this Darwin Award winner did:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1547132/posts

Do the words "Do not puncture or incinerate can" mean nothing anymore?

About a year ago my curious mind became interested in learning the
outcome of the lawsuit by the woman's daughters. I couldn't find
anything definite, but a respondent on alt.legal checked it out through
his connections and said he couldn't find any evidence that it was
settled in favor of the plaintiffs.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

Ed, I've been sleeping under a rock...

I've not heard of this product. is this the item?
http://www.ehobbies.com/bad2501.html

I'd like to try one.

Karl

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
anews.com...
Ed, I've been sleeping under a rock...

I've not heard of this product. is this the item?
http://www.ehobbies.com/bad2501.html

I'd like to try one.

Karl

That's their newer, fancier one. I've had mine for 30 years, and I have one
my uncle made 60 years ago. Simple siphon sprayers are a really easy job for
anyone with a lathe. All you need to machine are the siphon nozzle, the air
nozzle, and the air-hose fitting. The rest is a piece of plastic tube and a
glass jar with lid. An ordinary commercial coil spring is usually used to
hold the adjustment on the nozzle. The one my uncle made is maybe twice as
big as the Badger.

I've looked at that newer one you've linked to in a store, and it looks
good. I think that it's the same thing with a zippier design. Being one of
the original cheapskates, I don't think I'll buy one until my present one
wears out. I give it another 20 years. g

Let us know how you like it if you do get one, Karl. And check with Badger
on their tire conversion gadget. I think I paid $3 or so for mine, 25 years
ago. It really is handy. (Oh, looking at that page, I think it's the same
thing as their Propel regulator. It screws into a can of Propel or an
ordinary Schrader valve stem. And it's included with the $18.99 kit! Good
deal.)

--
Ed Huntress

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to remember
that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu



I'm the same way, Stuart. Look in the paint section of your local home
improvement store for one of those handles that snaps onto the spray
can. They make things a lot easier. It's almost like using a spray
gun...without all the clean up.

Jim

I just placed an order. i repainted the Ford 2000 tractor this spring and
missed a couple minor spots. i still have the paint but don't want to refill
(and clean) the HLVP paint gun.

Karl

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:12:24 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, "Leo
Lichtman" quickly quoth:


"Leon Fisk" wrote: (clip) I'll
give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. Got nothing to lose trying it
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I usually do the shaking in a stream of hot running water under the swing
faucet. The heat thins the paint, making it mix better and spray better.
The heat raises the pressure of the propellant, which is also good.

Yeah, echo that: warm paint does spray much better, Leo.


But don't do what my friend did. He put the spray can in a coffee can of
water, and heated it on the stove. While it was heating, he went outside,
"just for a minute," and got distracted talking to a neighbor. The pressure
built up in the spray can until the bottom blew out. It shot up like a
rocket, punched a hole in his ceiling, bulged the bottom of the coffee can,
broke the stove grate, and sprayed red paint all over his kitchen

That's an "Oops!" alright. Too bad he wasn't in there and it was red
dye instead of paint. It would have proven the Darwin factor a bit
better to all his friends and coworkers.

--
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free
than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
---

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:26:29 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Jeff
Wisnia quickly quoth:

Leo Lichtman wrote:

"Leon Fisk" wrote: (clip) I'll

give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. Got nothing to lose trying it

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I usually do the shaking in a stream of hot running water under the swing
faucet. The heat thins the paint, making it mix better and spray better.
The heat raises the pressure of the propellant, which is also good.

But don't do what my friend did. He put the spray can in a coffee can of
water, and heated it on the stove. While it was heating, he went outside,
"just for a minute," and got distracted talking to a neighbor. The pressure
built up in the spray can until the bottom blew out. It shot up like a
rocket, punched a hole in his ceiling, bulged the bottom of the coffee can,
broke the stove grate, and sprayed red paint all over his kitchen



Or what this Darwin Award winner did:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1547132/posts

Do the words "Do not puncture or incinerate can" mean nothing anymore?

I like the one guy's comment a whole lot: "Too bad she didn't die
-before- breeding." (emphasis mine)


About a year ago my curious mind became interested in learning the
outcome of the lawsuit by the woman's daughters. I couldn't find
anything definite, but a respondent on alt.legal checked it out through
his connections and said he couldn't find any evidence that it was
settled in favor of the plaintiffs.

Waht I can't believe is that so many judges are letting clearly
frivolous cases like this (and much worse) into their courtrooms,
especially as overloaded as the courts already are. big sigh

--
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free
than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
---

"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
news:R_vfk.416$6O4.237@trnddc06...
Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
Is it me and advancing age? Or did the paint can Mfrs. increase the
pressure
required to operate the standard paint spray can nozzle? I seem to
remember that I could just about empty a can before my finger got a
permanent dent.
Now I don't get 1/4 of the can before my forearm goes into seizure and my
finger is in pain.

Stu



I'm the same way, Stuart. Look in the paint section of your local home
improvement store for one of those handles that snaps onto the spray can.
They make things a lot easier. It's almost like using a spray
gun...without all the clean up.

Jim

To all those having trouble getting all the paint out, I haven't had that
problem with most of my spray paint cans and I use them about 90% of my
painting. I would probably use about 5=6 cans painting my car hauler
trailer instead of getting down the HVLP, getting some hose, lighting off
the compressor and then having the clean up. For non-critical paint jobs
the cans work good. However, shaking for more than a minute seems to be
needed and even more if the air is cold. All that said, I may have to put
my right index finger in a cast after just one spray can. I even got
forearm pump like I used to riding motorcross. Must be age. I've got some
of that too.
Stu

Leon Fisk wrote:
... I'll
give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. ...

Here's my Super Shaker:
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/PaintShaker.jpg

I built it just to be silly, but I do use it. 10 secs on this baby
gives more shakes than a minute of hand twitches. BG

Bob

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" (clip) However, shaking for more than a minute
seems to be
needed and even more if the air is cold. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In an earlier post, I suggested shaking the can in a stream of hot running
water. Try it--you'll like it.

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
anews.com...
I just placed an order. i repainted the Ford 2000 tractor this spring and
missed a couple minor spots. i still have the paint but don't want to
refill (and clean) the HLVP paint gun.

Karl

'Hope it works out for you, Karl. Anything heavy will have to be heated if
you don't like to thin it too much. I don't, so I keep a pan of hot water
handy when I'm using those paints. I cover the jar with aluminum foil so it
doesn't get wet and just plunk the jar in the water. Then I either wrap a
dish towel around the jar or wear gloves, if it's too hot to handle.

You'll also find that coarse-ground paints may clog the nozzle. Some house
paint is pretty coarse-ground. But that's pushing it, anyway. It's really
not made for those paints.

--
Ed Huntress

Karl Townsend wrote:
Ed, I've been sleeping under a rock...

I've not heard of this product. is this the item?
http://www.ehobbies.com/bad2501.html

I'd like to try one.

Karl

I've got one of those.
Dirt simple to use and clean.
Two thumbs up!

--Winston

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" (clip) However, shaking for more than a minute
seems to be
needed and even more if the air is cold. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In an earlier post, I suggested shaking the can in a stream of hot running
water. Try it--you'll like it.
If I do it in the shower is that a big enough stream? Lord only knows I
need at least 2 showers after working in 100+ temp. I suppose that you
meant just the can in the stream....Dang being an editor of a magazine
causes a different eyeball on sentences. It's getting to be a nuisance.

Stu

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:15:00 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
... I'll
give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. ...

Here's my Super Shaker:
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/PaintShaker.jpg

I built it just to be silly, but I do use it. 10 secs on this baby
gives more shakes than a minute of hand twitches. BG

Bob
Great use for that variable speed Skill sabre saw with the "easy
change" blade chuck for which the manufacturer no longer acknowledges
any responsibility. Thanks for the inspiration!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: wrote in message
news

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" (clip) However, shaking for more than a minute
seems to be
needed and even more if the air is cold. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In an earlier post, I suggested shaking the can in a stream of hot
running water. Try it--you'll like it.
If I do it in the shower is that a big enough stream?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess that depends on your girth.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lord only knows I
need at least 2 showers after working in 100+ temp.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
At 100+ temp, I doubt that further heating of the paint will be necessary.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I suppose that you meant just the can in the stream....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you want to shake your can in the shower, that's up to you. I hope
nobody is watching, though.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dang being an editor of a magazine
causes a different eyeball on sentences. It's getting to be a nuisance.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What magazine do you edit, "Shaker Furniture?"

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: wrote in message
news

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" (clip) However, shaking for more than a minute
seems to be
needed and even more if the air is cold. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In an earlier post, I suggested shaking the can in a stream of hot
running water. Try it--you'll like it.
If I do it in the shower is that a big enough stream?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess that depends on your girth.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lord only knows I
need at least 2 showers after working in 100+ temp.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
At 100+ temp, I doubt that further heating of the paint will be necessary.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I suppose that you meant just the can in the stream....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you want to shake your can in the shower, that's up to you. I hope
nobody is watching, though.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dang being an editor of a magazine
causes a different eyeball on sentences. It's getting to be a nuisance.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What magazine do you edit, "Shaker Furniture?"

Boy that is close!! The magazine is Experimental Helo dedicated to
experimental helicopters and while not normally thought of as furniture, the
shaking part is certainly there.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:12:41 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
tanews.com...
Ed, I've been sleeping under a rock...

I've not heard of this product. is this the item?
http://www.ehobbies.com/bad2501.html

I'd like to try one.

Karl

That's their newer, fancier one. I've had mine for 30 years, and I have one
my uncle made 60 years ago. Simple siphon sprayers are a really easy job for
anyone with a lathe. All you need to machine are the siphon nozzle, the air
nozzle, and the air-hose fitting. The rest is a piece of plastic tube and a
glass jar with lid. An ordinary commercial coil spring is usually used to
hold the adjustment on the nozzle. The one my uncle made is maybe twice as
big as the Badger.
snip

That looks an awful lot like my airbrush setup. I haven't
used it for ~20 years so my memory is a bit foggy. About the
only difference I notice off hand is the airbrush kits
usually come with 3-4 bottles and covers. Makes it easy to
switch paint mid-stream.

I have used my airbrush to do touch up work on my truck.
Used some of the leftover paint (lacquer type) from the body
shop that did some repair work earlier in its life. It
worked fine for that.

I made a small inline air tank with its own mini-regulator,
moisture trap and quick couplers. At the time I was using
one of the little oiless teflon cylinder compressors. Set
the compressor on ~25 psi and then adjust the regulator
coming off the little tank (maybe 2 gallon) to what you want
for spraying. It worked well. Little tank works with my
bigger compressor too.

The touch-up guns work well for this also. Mine came from
Grainger's ~20 years ago (~$70). HF has a knock-off now that
looks very much like it. See:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...?Itemnumber=86

I still don't like cleaning them up, even though it isn't
terribly bad to do so. Much easier to blow out the nozzle
and set the spray can back on the shelf

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:15:00 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
... I'll
give your "super shake" plan a try next time I feel
ambitious. ...

Here's my Super Shaker:
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/PaintShaker.jpg

I built it just to be silly, but I do use it. 10 secs on this baby
gives more shakes than a minute of hand twitches. BG

Bob

I remember looking at that shortly after you made it/or at
least told us about it

It is a bit of knowledge stuck away in my brain now that
will be useful someday.

I may just make an adaptor for the Sawzall. I don't think
shaking paint cans would stress it very much.

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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cavelamb himself wrote:
....
Without the internal solvent (propane days) the solids seem
to clump up in the bottom. That clogs the tunes and the
can is useless.
....

How about if, after turning the can upside down & clearing the
nozzle/tube, one *leaves* it upside down for storage? Then if the
solids clump, it won't be in the bottom of tube (which is now uppermost
& out of the paint).

Bob

"Bob Engelhardt" wrote: How about if, after turning the can upside down &
clearing the
nozzle/tube, one *leaves* it upside down for storage? Then if the solids
clump, it won't be in the bottom of tube (which is now uppermost & out of
the paint).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds like a GREAT idea. Is that what you do--or did you just think of it?

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Bob Engelhardt" wrote: How about if, after turning the can upside down &
clearing the
nozzle/tube, one *leaves* it upside down for storage? Then if the solids
clump, it won't be in the bottom of tube (which is now uppermost & out of
the paint).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds like a GREAT idea. Is that what you do--or did you just think of it?


I thought of it a while ago, or maybe I saw it somewhere. I haven't
been doing it 'cause I really don't have a problem with my tubes clogging.

Bob