A friend of mine bid on the following milling machine and won the
auction. The auction wasn't set up as a reserve auction (though the
seller does state it has a reserve in the description). To me there
seems to be something funny going on. Here's the auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll... 620%26fvi%3D1

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

Wayne Cook wrote:

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

Is the seller trying to get his 'reserve' price? If so, I
think he's out of luck. He failed to set a proper reserve,
and he's bound by the terms of the auction.
If the guy meant to set a reserve of $1875 and just forgot,
and if your buddy is a nice guy, he could just let it go and
let the seller relist it. But I'd look for the proper
procedure for that, to guard against the selling dinging
your friend as a NPB.

Jon

I see nothing strange, there is no reserve. Just a messed up auction.

i

On 2007-11-16, Jon Anderson wrote:
Wayne Cook wrote:

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

Is the seller trying to get his 'reserve' price? If so, I
think he's out of luck. He failed to set a proper reserve,
and he's bound by the terms of the auction.
If the guy meant to set a reserve of $1875 and just forgot,
and if your buddy is a nice guy, he could just let it go and
let the seller relist it. But I'd look for the proper
procedure for that, to guard against the selling dinging
your friend as a NPB.

Jon

"Wayne Cook" wrote in message
...

A friend of mine bid on the following milling machine and won the
auction. The auction wasn't set up as a reserve auction (though the
seller does state it has a reserve in the description). To me there
seems to be something funny going on. Here's the auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll... 620%26fvi%3D1

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).


Its called non performance, report it to ebay.

From ebays policy page:
What buyers can do if they feel a seller has violated the Seller
Non-Performance policy

If a seller has refused to complete a sale, and payment has not been sent or
payment has been refunded, report the seller. Make sure to include a copy of
the email documenting the seller's refusal to complete the sale with the
full message text and complete email headers when making your report.

Here is the link to report the seller:

http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...xpirationDate=



Good Luck

Tom.

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
...
Wayne Cook wrote:

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

Is the seller trying to get his 'reserve' price? If so, I think he's out
of luck. He failed to set a proper reserve, and he's bound by the terms of
the auction.
If the guy meant to set a reserve of $1875 and just forgot, and if your
buddy is a nice guy, he could just let it go and let the seller relist it.
But I'd look for the proper procedure for that, to guard against the
selling dinging your friend as a NPB.

ISTR being high bidder on a Carrol dividing head many years ago from someone
that had intended to set a reserve but forgot. The closing price was less
than the intended reserve price but the seller refused my offer to pay the
reserve and shipped for the closing price. I believe that his name was Jon
too - sound familiar?

Mike

Mike Henry wrote:

ISTR being high bidder on a Carrol dividing head many years ago from
someone that had intended to set a reserve but forgot. The closing
price was less than the intended reserve price but the seller refused my
offer to pay the reserve and shipped for the closing price. I believe
that his name was Jon too - sound familiar?

I was sorta thinking I'd made that mistake myself, but
couldn't recall the particulars. How's that dividing head
been working for you?

Jon

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:34:09 -0600, Wayne Cook wrote:


Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).


Seller is also avoiding ebay charges by not having a reserve properly set up
and insisting on its existence. Since he had a week to withdraw the auction
and did not take the opportunity, the auction stands. Might need a bailiff to
enforce the sale though :-(


Mark Rand
RTFM

On Nov 16, 3:34 pm, Wayne Cook wrote:
A friend of mine bid on the following milling machine and won the
auction. The auction wasn't set up as a reserve auction (though the
seller does state it has a reserve in the description). To me there
seems to be something funny going on. Here's the auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...70338620&ru=ht...

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

E-bay has changed the way stuff is sold...
I use a program that uploads my items for sell...
I was helping a friend at his home to sell his first item...
The selling screen had no place to chose the reserve price anywhere...
I told him to set the starting price at the lowest price that he would
let it go for...
There was no place anywhere to set the reserve .....

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:51:12 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote:

Wayne Cook wrote:

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

Is the seller trying to get his 'reserve' price? If so, I
think he's out of luck. He failed to set a proper reserve,
and he's bound by the terms of the auction.
If the guy meant to set a reserve of $1875 and just forgot,
and if your buddy is a nice guy, he could just let it go and
let the seller relist it. But I'd look for the proper
procedure for that, to guard against the selling dinging
your friend as a NPB.

That's the way of it.

Here's his first response.

"I see that the winning bid was $590.01. You probably read that my
reserve
was $1875. I would be willing to come down a little from $1875, But
this
machine is practically new."

My friend responded back.

"Why didn't you use the reserve price feature?
If you don't want to sell it at what I bid then you will have to fix
it with
ebay so I don't get a negative feedback and it doesn't show me still
owing
you. $ 700.00 was my max bid. I don't want to get into an argument
over a
mistake."

Your friend is unlikely to get his way, but he should tell the seller
that the ended auction is a valid contract, enforceable in courts, and
that the seller should perform. Besides, the seller is an idiot if he
wanted to sell that thing for his states reserve. A neg, and reporting
him to ebay, is certainly a must here.

Once I did get my way on an ended auction like this, and once I did
not. The case of a miller maxtron welder, ended for $510, did not
work, and the case of a new in box allen bradley starter, for $0.99,
did work. The maxtron guy got a big fat neg and a report to ebay.

i

On 2007-11-17, Wayne Cook wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:51:12 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote:

Wayne Cook wrote:

Anybody got any opinions (yeah I know better than to bait the rabble
but oh well).

Is the seller trying to get his 'reserve' price? If so, I
think he's out of luck. He failed to set a proper reserve,
and he's bound by the terms of the auction.
If the guy meant to set a reserve of $1875 and just forgot,
and if your buddy is a nice guy, he could just let it go and
let the seller relist it. But I'd look for the proper
procedure for that, to guard against the selling dinging
your friend as a NPB.

That's the way of it.

Here's his first response.

"I see that the winning bid was $590.01. You probably read that my
reserve
was $1875. I would be willing to come down a little from $1875, But
this
machine is practically new."

My friend responded back.

"Why didn't you use the reserve price feature?
If you don't want to sell it at what I bid then you will have to fix
it with
ebay so I don't get a negative feedback and it doesn't show me still
owing
you. $ 700.00 was my max bid. I don't want to get into an argument
over a
mistake."

Ok, sounds like your friend is on top of this. I didn't
think that the seller might be pulling this to avoid full
fees as he would have faced had he enabled a proper reserve.
Guess I'm too honest to foresee shenanigans like that....

Hope it goes well for him.

Jon

Ignoramus16741 wrote in
:

Your friend is unlikely to get his way, but he should tell the seller
that the ended auction is a valid contract, enforceable in courts, and
that the seller should perform.

From my experience thats not likely to happen as Ebay themselves refuse to
provide further info or support the buyer, instead appear to supportthe non
performing seller instead.

I had much the same happen. Buyer wanted more cash, I refused and told them
to abide by the auction rules and the auction closed normally without
reserve. No further response. Contacting Ebay was a joke as they send you
around and around. Thier eventual response was a mail teling me how *I* can
tell the Seller how *they* can cancel the auction with my approval and so
the seller can recover his fees. When I responded that I didn't want to
cancel the auction and why would/should I help the seller when they are at
fault Ebay reponded that if I didn't I could get a non paying bidder report
(NPB). When I acarefully laid out the problem and indicated that I wanted
to persue it in law EBay reponded saying that they would deal with the
Seller, that I could not now get a NPB report and that I had no case to
persue unless Ebay provided further and complete information, which they
would not do as the auction was 'reasonable and completed in unusual
circumstances'. When i pursued that the auction disappeeared and the agebts
could no longer find the transaction...

Following day I got a NPB. Took six weeks to get it removed...

On 2007-11-17, Jerry wrote:
Ignoramus16741 wrote in
:

Your friend is unlikely to get his way, but he should tell the seller
that the ended auction is a valid contract, enforceable in courts, and
that the seller should perform.

From my experience thats not likely to happen as Ebay themselves refuse to
provide further info or support the buyer, instead appear to supportthe non
performing seller instead.

I had much the same happen. Buyer wanted more cash, I refused and told them
to abide by the auction rules and the auction closed normally without
reserve.

What happened, did they ask for a loading fee, or what?

i

No further response. Contacting Ebay was a joke as they send you
around and around. Thier eventual response was a mail teling me how *I* can
tell the Seller how *they* can cancel the auction with my approval and so
the seller can recover his fees. When I responded that I didn't want to
cancel the auction and why would/should I help the seller when they are at
fault Ebay reponded that if I didn't I could get a non paying bidder report
(NPB). When I acarefully laid out the problem and indicated that I wanted
to persue it in law EBay reponded saying that they would deal with the
Seller, that I could not now get a NPB report and that I had no case to
persue unless Ebay provided further and complete information, which they
would not do as the auction was 'reasonable and completed in unusual
circumstances'. When i pursued that the auction disappeeared and the agebts
could no longer find the transaction...

Following day I got a NPB. Took six weeks to get it removed...

Ignoramus16741 wrote in
:



What happened, did they ask for a loading fee, or what?


Nope. Auction was for a vehicle. I drove down to see it and check it over.
A few problems but ok for what I wanted. Auction closed normally at a
reasonable price without reserve. Seller demanded about 2k more than
closing 'cos he claimed that was what he owed. Wouldn't sell at the price.
Ebay only corresponded regarding helping the seller avoid fees and if I
didn't comply I'd get a non paying bidder response.

On 2007-11-18, Jerry wrote:
Ignoramus16741 wrote in
:



What happened, did they ask for a loading fee, or what?


Nope. Auction was for a vehicle. I drove down to see it and check it over.
A few problems but ok for what I wanted. Auction closed normally at a
reasonable price without reserve. Seller demanded about 2k more than
closing 'cos he claimed that was what he owed. Wouldn't sell at the price.
Ebay only corresponded regarding helping the seller avoid fees and if I
didn't comply I'd get a non paying bidder response.

I hope that you left him a neg and reported him as a non performing
seller.

i

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:57:42 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote:

Ok, sounds like your friend is on top of this. I didn't
think that the seller might be pulling this to avoid full
fees as he would have faced had he enabled a proper reserve.
Guess I'm too honest to foresee shenanigans like that....

Hope it goes well for him.


The seller responded back that he would take care of NPB with ebay.
He stated that he looked and could not find anyplace to put a reserve
when making the listing.

On 2007-11-19, Wayne Cook wrote:
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:57:42 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote:

Ok, sounds like your friend is on top of this. I didn't
think that the seller might be pulling this to avoid full
fees as he would have faced had he enabled a proper reserve.
Guess I'm too honest to foresee shenanigans like that....

Hope it goes well for him.


The seller responded back that he would take care of NPB with ebay.
He stated that he looked and could not find anyplace to put a reserve
when making the listing.

Then maybe he should not have posted the listing?

That seller deserves a full featured neg and a seller non-performance
report. Certainly the buyer should not cooperate in helping the seller
avoid fees.

i