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A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?

Thanks

Richard


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A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.

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A question for someone who knows...


I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.


It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...


I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)


But how to load them is the question...


"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.


But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.

i


Iggy, do you lose anything in that conversion? Like resolution?

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On 2007-11-09, cavelamb himself wrote:





A question for someone who knows...


I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.


It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...


I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)


But how to load them is the question...


"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.


But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.

i


Iggy, do you lose anything in that conversion? Like resolution?


You do, but normally very little.

i
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A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.

i


Iggy, do you lose anything in that conversion? Like resolution?



You do, but normally very little.

i


What would I use to convert to AVI?

Any suggestions for software to do this?

Richard


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What would I use to convert to AVI?

Any suggestions for software to do this?

Richard


I don't think it converts to AVI but DVD Shrink will allow you to strip out
all of the unnecessary things like previews, extras and additional
languages. I've been able to scrap nearly half the contents of a DVD and as
a plus, it plays immediately when you put it in. This is especially useful
for Disney DVDs, they are the absolute worse for getting to the movie
quickly.

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Iggy, do you lose anything in that conversion? Like resolution?


You do, but normally very little.


I tried this. The loss is not constant. Much of a given movie will be fine.
Then a few minutes of terrible. (Of course always an action or skin scene)
HDs are cheap, I went to full quality.

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Iggy, do you lose anything in that conversion? Like resolution?


You do, but normally very little.


I tried this. The loss is not constant. Much of a given movie will be fine.
Then a few minutes of terrible. (Of course always an action or skin scene)
HDs are cheap, I went to full quality.

Karl


Credits usually look awful as well. The encoding system is a bit like
a Fourier transform: it takes a lot of data to make things with sharp
edges and high contrast look good.

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On 2007-11-09, cavelamb himself wrote:

A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.

i


The time to convert 1500 hours might be a factor.

As might the capabilities offered by the DVD itself (chapters, subtitles,
etcetera).

Sony makes a *real* jukebox that holds 300 DVD's. They also made DVD's
that won't work right in it (probably due to the rootkit copy-protection
scheme). DVP-CX995V.
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:49:49 -0600, Ignoramus3257 wrote:
On 2007-11-09, cavelamb himself wrote:


A question for someone who knows...


I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.


It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...


I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)


But how to load them is the question...


"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.


But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.


i


The time to convert 1500 hours might be a factor.

As might the capabilities offered by the DVD itself (chapters, subtitles,
etcetera).

Sony makes a *real* jukebox that holds 300 DVD's. They also made DVD's
that won't work right in it (probably due to the rootkit copy-protection
scheme). DVP-CX995V.


In my opinion, chapters and menus and copyright warnings suck. To be
rid of them and just be able to watch the movie would be an
improvement.

Chris



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In my opinion, chapters and menus and copyright warnings suck. To be
rid of them and just be able to watch the movie would be an
improvement.


I hold the same exact opinion.

The way I convert disks to AVIs is by using this script of mine. It
works with Linux.

#!/usr/bin/perl

use Getopt::Long;

my $dvd = '/dev/dvd';
my $output = 'ripped.avi';

GetOptions( "dvd=s" = \$dvd,
"output=s" = \$output,
);

if( 0 ) {
system( "
transcode \\
-i $dvd -x dvd -T 1,-1 -g 720x480 -M 2 -V \\
-X 2,0 -Y 0,0 -s 4.47 \\
-t 83920,alien -y divx4 -w 1618 -f 23.976 \\
-U $output
"
);
} elsif( 0 ) {
system( "
transcode -i $dvd -x dvd -V -j 16,0 -B 5,0 -Y 40,8 -s 4.47 -U $output -y xvid -w 1618
" );
} elsif( 1 ) {
system( "
mencoder dvd:// -dvd-device $dvd -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1 -alang en -oac copy -o /dev/null
mencoder dvd:// -dvd-device $dvd -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=1000 -alang en -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o $output
" );
}

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:49:49 -0600, Ignoramus3257 wrote:

On 2007-11-09, cavelamb himself wrote:


A question for someone who knows...


I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.


It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...


I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)


But how to load them is the question...


"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.


But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.


i


The time to convert 1500 hours might be a factor.

As might the capabilities offered by the DVD itself (chapters, subtitles,
etcetera).

Sony makes a *real* jukebox that holds 300 DVD's. They also made DVD's
that won't work right in it (probably due to the rootkit copy-protection
scheme). DVP-CX995V.



In my opinion, chapters and menus and copyright warnings suck. To be
rid of them and just be able to watch the movie would be an
improvement.

Chris


A lot of these (mebe 30-40%) are copied from old VHS tapes,
so the DVD resolution issue is a non-starter.

ALL of the copies have had the MacroMedia BS removed.
(I (heart) my GoDVD box)

the 1500 (actually more like 2000!) hours of conversion time
brings me back to my origonal question -
is there some way to simply rip the DVD to HD?

(iggy's perl script not withstanding )


Richard
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A lot of these (mebe 30-40%) are copied from old VHS tapes,
so the DVD resolution issue is a non-starter.

ALL of the copies have had the MacroMedia BS removed.
(I (heart) my GoDVD box)

the 1500 (actually more like 2000!) hours of conversion time
brings me back to my origonal question -
is there some way to simply rip the DVD to HD?


Just copy files from DVD to the HD, somehow adding movies names,
thats all. There are lot of programs able to play DVD file-system.
Maqcromedia is not worts here - deCSS is important.

C.
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Got a HD recorder ?

I changed my living room system when we upgraded the old HD DISH 3LNA to
a HD 5 LNA super wide oval antenna.

Our HD Sony Plasma is 2+ years old now and running fine. No burns.
I took out the AV amp (for the shop natch) and hooked all directly
into the Sony.

Now for the news for all.

The Sony disk player that came with the old (2+ yrs old) AV amp and it had
the unique HD 5 wire connections. Before we used the yellow video out.
What a difference. The CD's are being displayed as HD's - almost as good as
and much better than that of the use of the yellow + 2 sound.

See if you can get around it that way. The TV has I/O ports to the Tape deck.
I record HD picture that is down converted to higher than normal quality video
when the tape is played or recorded on a DVD recorder. Higher quality signals.

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cavelamb himself wrote:
Christopher Tidy wrote:
On Nov 9, 9:47 am, _
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:49:49 -0600, Ignoramus3257 wrote:

On 2007-11-09, cavelamb himself wrote:

A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

If you convert them to .avi files in format such as XviD, then the
movies would take about 750 megs each, so you can have about 1,000
movies per disk (give or take). They also have terabyte disks for sale
now.

i

The time to convert 1500 hours might be a factor.

As might the capabilities offered by the DVD itself (chapters,
subtitles,
etcetera).

Sony makes a *real* jukebox that holds 300 DVD's. They also made DVD's
that won't work right in it (probably due to the rootkit copy-protection
scheme). DVP-CX995V.



In my opinion, chapters and menus and copyright warnings suck. To be
rid of them and just be able to watch the movie would be an
improvement.

Chris


A lot of these (mebe 30-40%) are copied from old VHS tapes,
so the DVD resolution issue is a non-starter.

ALL of the copies have had the MacroMedia BS removed.
(I (heart) my GoDVD box)

the 1500 (actually more like 2000!) hours of conversion time
brings me back to my origonal question -
is there some way to simply rip the DVD to HD?

(iggy's perl script not withstanding )


Richard


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a more aesthetic option is the 2 TB network attached drive that Fryes has
for a few more $$


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A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?

Thanks

Richard





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But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?


You have to rip DVD (google "dvd riping") using any of tons of
programs available. BUT to rip you have to "crack" DVD encoding,
and this would constitue 'piracy' - especially if you intent to
see movies aboard (there is no piracy without some kind of
vessel - just by definition of this word).
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cavelamb himself wrote:

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?



You have to rip DVD (google "dvd riping") using any of tons of programs
available. BUT to rip you have to "crack" DVD encoding,
and this would constitue 'piracy' - especially if you intent to
see movies aboard (there is no piracy without some kind of
vessel - just by definition of this word).


I dunno - under the fair use clause, this is not illegal.
I can't watch both at once (the litimus test)

Basically the same thing as with the video iPods.

But we can fly the pitate flag anyway

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I dunno - under the fair use clause, this is not illegal.
I can't watch both at once (the litimus test)

Basically the same thing as with the video iPods.

But we can fly the pitate flag anyway



The doom9.org website is a good source of info.

I used to use DVDDecrypter but the author no longer maintains it.

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Coyher wrote:

cavelamb himself wrote:

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?



You have to rip DVD (google "dvd riping") using any of tons of programs
available. BUT to rip you have to "crack" DVD encoding,
and this would constitue 'piracy' - especially if you intent to
see movies aboard (there is no piracy without some kind of
vessel - just by definition of this word).


Ahh, could be a winner.
I DLed the trial for - trial(?)
If all goes well, I'll buy that one.

Thanks

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What I hate is I have disks that don't have that. The Sony disk/tape unit
and others - dam industry - state that my DVD's that I own the IP on can't be
copied. So I do it on my computer. The default oh - a disk - no copy
ability... Violates copyright and patent law in a number of places.

Where is my backup. Where is my working copy. Where is my archive copy.
Legally 3 copies - or 2+1. Three storage sites - one off site.
But who ever counts on that.

The 'industry' baulked at copies stating a replacement policy.

Do you know of any DVD that has been replaced ? No we generally just buy
another and the industry rips us again. Time and issue to get a DVD is expensive.


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cavelamb himself wrote:

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?


You have to rip DVD (google "dvd riping") using any of tons of programs
available. BUT to rip you have to "crack" DVD encoding,
and this would constitue 'piracy' - especially if you intent to
see movies aboard (there is no piracy without some kind of
vessel - just by definition of this word).


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You have to rip DVD (google "dvd riping") using any of tons of
programs available. BUT to rip you have to "crack" DVD encoding,
and this would constitue 'piracy' -


Not even a little. Fair Use is most certainly the case when you're
making a copy for yourself. MPAA and RIAA's FUD aside, I can listen to
stuff I've bought in any format I damn well please.

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Use
http://www.magicdvdripper.com/

backup movie only (not trailers, bonus,language, subtitles) to HD. Averages
5 gig per movie. Takes 1/2 hour per DVD.

Play back off HD with Nero or WinDVD Gold (Corel)

Get an NVDIA graphic card and watch on any TV

I'm sure there are other options.


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A question for someone who knows...

I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.

It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...

I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)

But how to load them is the question...

"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.

But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.

Anybody have a handy clue?

Thanks

Richard


I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks each.
To convert to hard disk files like .avi, it will take you weeks and weeks of
work even though you will fit them all on a 750. Take the disks! So, you
watch movies on the boat and play computer fishing games at home?


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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks each.


We won't comment on your Freudian slip, thilly boy.


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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
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We won't comment on your Freudian slip, thilly boy.


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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
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We won't comment on your Freudian slip, thilly boy.


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Kinda depends on the movie, huh?
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A question for someone who knows...


I have a little over 1000 movies stored on DVD disks.
(It was a mad house when it was all VHS tapes!)
I'd like to have movies to watch at anchor aboard the boat.


It's partly a space issue.
And I don't want to take the disks out anyway.
So...


I checked at Fry's today.
750 Gig USB drive for just under $300.
That would hold about 100 movies.
(guessing an average of 7 Gig or so per title?)


But how to load them is the question...


"play" them on?
I can do this already - but the time factor is a bit
much at 1:1.


But I'm hoping to find some kind of special software to read
them on at much greater speed.


Anybody have a handy clue?


Thanks


Richard


I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks each.


Is having 50 dicks the norm in Cleveland? :-D

Chris

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On Nov 9, 2:03 pm, "Tom Gardner" wrote:
I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks each.


Is having 50 dicks the norm in Cleveland? :-D


It's the water pollution. Love Canal didn't have anything on them.

(Speaking of the canal, it was later proven that no higher rate of
cancer came to the people who had lived there than to any other set of
people tested in the USA.)

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:40:43 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm,
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On Nov 9, 2:03 pm, "Tom Gardner" wrote:
I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
each.


Is having 50 dicks the norm in Cleveland? :-D


It's the water pollution. Love Canal didn't have anything on them.

(Speaking of the canal, it was later proven that no higher rate of
cancer came to the people who had lived there than to any other set of
people tested in the USA.)


Oh, please tell us about that proof. I've always thought that benzene got a
bad rap, and there's 22,000 tons of toxic waste still buried there. It could
be valuable. d8-)

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On Nov 9, 2:03 pm, "Tom Gardner" wrote:
I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
each.

Is having 50 dicks the norm in Cleveland? :-D


It's the water pollution. Love Canal didn't have anything on them.

(Speaking of the canal, it was later proven that no higher rate of
cancer came to the people who had lived there than to any other set of
people tested in the USA.)


Oh, please tell us about that proof. I've always thought that benzene got a
bad rap, and there's 22,000 tons of toxic waste still buried there. It could
be valuable. d8-)


New York state says so, too.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22love+canal%22+cancer
I think I first read it in _Earth Report 2000_ or _The Skeptical
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'to any other set of people tested..' - Well the lawyers are at work -
We test this broken pipeline area that has high cancer and compare.
We test this gasoline storage depot region - and compare.
We test the local town next to the Agent Green manufacturing site - and compare...

So Love matched the others +/- 50% It must be normal....

Yea right.

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:40:43 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm,
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On Nov 9, 2:03 pm, "Tom Gardner" wrote:
I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
each.
Is having 50 dicks the norm in Cleveland? :-D

It's the water pollution. Love Canal didn't have anything on them.

(Speaking of the canal, it was later proven that no higher rate of
cancer came to the people who had lived there than to any other set of
people tested in the USA.)


Oh, please tell us about that proof. I've always thought that benzene got a
bad rap, and there's 22,000 tons of toxic waste still buried there. It could
be valuable. d8-)

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Ewww.
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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50
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Ewww.


Is that floppy dicks or hard dicks?

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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50
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Ewww.


Is that floppy dicks or hard dicks?

Karl


Tom can turn your floppy disk into a hard drive.

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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50
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Ewww.


Is that floppy dicks or hard dicks?

Karl


Tom can turn your floppy disk into a hard drive.


You just outed yourself with that one, Chris. chortle

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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks each.


What do you do with the rest of the guy?

Hummm never mind..I DONT want to know.....

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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
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What do you do with the rest of the guy?

Hummm never mind..I DONT want to know.....

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One little slip...and I'm labeled a cross-dresser!


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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:03:21 -0800, "Tom Gardner"
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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
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What do you do with the rest of the guy?

Hummm never mind..I DONT want to know.....

Gunner


One little slip...and I'm labeled a cross-dresser!

Or a Jeffrey Dahmer wanna be

"Say...whos up for lunch?"

G

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In article , Gunner Asch wrote:
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:03:21 -0800, "Tom Gardner"
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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
each.

What do you do with the rest of the guy?

Hummm never mind..I DONT want to know.....


One little slip...and I'm labeled a cross-dresser!

Or a Jeffrey Dahmer wanna be

"Say...whos up for lunch?"


What did Jeffrey Dahmer say to Lorena Bobbit?

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:03:21 -0800, "Tom Gardner"
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I bought a bunch of soft zippered cases for $4 ea. that hold 50 dicks
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What do you do with the rest of the guy?

Hummm never mind..I DONT want to know.....

Gunner


One little slip...and I'm labeled a cross-dresser!




That's odd! I never thought of you as 'cross'! ;-)


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