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hi all
i'm hoping one of you fine gentlemen will be able to help me gain some wife approval points... she has a husqvarna (viking) '2000 SL' sewing machine (actually a couple, along with a bunch of others! - we arent the only species who has to have more than one of anything!) this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. Any suggestions? any idea what the original lube might be? i guess white lithium style grease, does that dry out over time? I could disassemble but i'd rather not as i am not familiar with re-timing if that was needed. appreciate all suggestions! russ (from Oz) |
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this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. russ (from Oz) I'd try applying a bit of WD40 to the hinge bearing. Bit of a sucker for sewing machines myself, bought an Husqvarna computerised one at garage sale. Works beaut on straight stitch, but smashes needle immediately upon selecting anything else. Full of stepper motors to do what was once done with simple mechanisms - I guess its brains are scrambled. Not worth the effort of learning how to fix, I'll avoid these in future. Jordan |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:44:45 +1100, Jordan wrote:
this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. russ (from Oz) I'd try applying a bit of WD40 to the hinge bearing. How is a gum-forming water displacer going to help in a lint-heavy environment, please? |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:44:45 +1100, Jordan wrote: this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. russ (from Oz) I'd try applying a bit of WD40 to the hinge bearing. How is a gum-forming water displacer going to help in a lint-heavy environment, please? Especially one that turns to sticky, indelible wax when the volatiles evaporate? /mark |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
I'd try applying a bit of WD40 to the hinge bearing. How is a gum-forming water displacer going to help in a lint-heavy environment, please? I was thinking of its penetrating and dissolving actions. Good idea to clean it up and lubricate properly afterwards. A poor workman blames his tools. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:59:23 +1100, Jordan
wrote: Dave Hinz wrote: I'd try applying a bit of WD40 to the hinge bearing. How is a gum-forming water displacer going to help in a lint-heavy environment, please? I was thinking of its penetrating and dissolving actions. Good idea to clean it up and lubricate properly afterwards. A poor workman blames his tools. Better to use something designed as a penetrating solvent rather than a Water Displacing liquid. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Better to use something designed as a penetrating solvent rather than a Water Displacing liquid. Gerry :-)} London, Canada I take the point, 3in1 OK? |
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Jordan wrote:
this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. russ (from Oz) I'd try applying a bit of WD40 to the hinge bearing. Bit of a sucker for sewing machines myself, bought an Husqvarna computerised one at garage sale. Works beaut on straight stitch, but smashes needle immediately upon selecting anything else. Full of stepper motors to do what was once done with simple mechanisms - I guess its brains are scrambled. Not worth the effort of learning how to fix, I'll avoid these in future. Jordan I can't resist asking the obvious question. did you change the foot plate to the wide hole when you were selecting other than straight stitch? I've done the same thing a couple of times when in a hurry and, as you said, smashed the needle. Jim Chandler |
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Jim Chandler wrote:
did you change the foot plate to the wide hole when you were selecting other than straight stitch? I've done the same thing a couple of times when in a hurry and, as you said, smashed the needle. Jim Chandler No, the wide hole is standard. It could be that the mechanical timing is out, but I doubt it and have lost interest in this machine anyway. Makes me think: should I avoid CNC metalworking machinery? |
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Jordan wrote:
Jim Chandler wrote: did you change the foot plate to the wide hole when you were selecting other than straight stitch? I've done the same thing a couple of times when in a hurry and, as you said, smashed the needle. Jim Chandler No, the wide hole is standard. It could be that the mechanical timing is out, but I doubt it and have lost interest in this machine anyway. Makes me think: should I avoid CNC metalworking machinery? That's a thought. do you know how to time a machine? It's not that difficult and you may be right. The needle may be hitting the looper or other part of the bobbin. Jim Chandler |
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do you know how to time a machine? It's not that
difficult and you may be right. The needle may be hitting the looper or other part of the bobbin. Jim Chandler Yes, but it sews fine on straight stitch, the only check I did before I bought it unfortunately. It's the timing of the zigzag that's gone crazy. It might need a PCB repair, but it's just not enough fun. |
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Jordan wrote:
Bit of a sucker for sewing machines myself I learned a bit of sewing from my mom and sister, both very talented, and have been looking for a machine for patching jeans, etc. Found a beautiful Phaff with all the original accessories, manuals, and carrying case, for a mere $50. Mom did some checking for me and it was made between the early 50's and early 60's, but has a low serial number, so likely it's older than I am. I did a bit of research, and these sell for up to $750 depending on condition! The sewing machine I really want is the antique Singer cobbler's sewing machine that has been in the family since the 1920's. Over the past few decades it's sewn up riding boots, leathers, and seat covers, and ought to last another century! Jon |
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The sewing machine I really want is the antique Singer cobbler's sewing machine that has been in the family since the 1920's. Over the past few decades it's sewn up riding boots, leathers, and seat covers, and ought to last another century! Jon That sounds like a patching machine, with a big truss across the top? During school holidays in the late '60s I had a job doing final assembly on imported Singers. They had a shopfront, and someone had traded in her old Pfaff. The mechanics were marvelling at how it could do about 1,000 stitches in a few seconds, each one perfect. "Wish ours could do that", said one of them. The Singers made then were pretty horrible. |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:27:34 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: Jordan wrote: Bit of a sucker for sewing machines myself I learned a bit of sewing from my mom and sister, both very talented, and have been looking for a machine for patching jeans, etc. Found a beautiful Phaff with all the original accessories, manuals, and carrying case, for a mere $50. Check the various second hand stores. Goodwill, St. Vincent D'Paul and so forth. One can regularly find NICE sewing machines for $20-30 Gunner Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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"Jon Anderson" wrote in message . .. Jordan wrote: Bit of a sucker for sewing machines myself I learned a bit of sewing from my mom and sister, both very talented, and have been looking for a machine for patching jeans, etc. Found a beautiful Phaff with all the original accessories, manuals, and carrying case, for a mere $50. Mom did some checking for me and it was made between the early 50's and early 60's, but has a low serial number, so likely it's older than I am. I did a bit of research, and these sell for up to $750 depending on condition! The sewing machine I really want is the antique Singer cobbler's sewing machine that has been in the family since the 1920's. Over the past few decades it's sewn up riding boots, leathers, and seat covers, and ought to last another century! Jon I got a Singer 111W155 Walking Foot that was manufactured in 1957 according to the serial number. It will sew a lot of stuff, including leather, but I bought it to do canvas awnings and shade cloth material, which it will do without breaking a sweat. I have yet to break it out and try it. I do know an EXCELLENT sewing machine repairman in Las Vegas that has been fixing and redoing machines for thirty odd years. I will probably take it to him first just to be sure. Problem is, I got the base and motor, and everything that came with it new, and it' a moose to move. And I probably paid too much for it ............ $250. Looking forward to making Sunbrella house awnings all around this summer with square metal frames. Steve |
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According to SteveB :
[ ... ] I got a Singer 111W155 Walking Foot that was manufactured in 1957 according to the serial number. It will sew a lot of stuff, including leather, but I bought it to do canvas awnings and shade cloth material, which it will do without breaking a sweat. I have yet to break it out and try it. I do know an EXCELLENT sewing machine repairman in Las Vegas that has been fixing and redoing machines for thirty odd years. I will probably take it to him first just to be sure. Problem is, I got the base and motor, and everything that came with it new, and it' a moose to move. And I probably paid too much for it ............ $250. Interestingly enough, I use my little Singer 221B (folding portable) occasionally for sewing leather, and it works quite well for the task. (Granted, it is not particularly thick leather which I sew, but it is still leather. ;-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... According to SteveB : [ ... ] I got a Singer 111W155 Walking Foot that was manufactured in 1957 according to the serial number. It will sew a lot of stuff, including leather, but I bought it to do canvas awnings and shade cloth material, which it will do without breaking a sweat. I have yet to break it out and try it. I do know an EXCELLENT sewing machine repairman in Las Vegas that has been fixing and redoing machines for thirty odd years. I will probably take it to him first just to be sure. Problem is, I got the base and motor, and everything that came with it new, and it' a moose to move. And I probably paid too much for it ............ $250. Interestingly enough, I use my little Singer 221B (folding portable) occasionally for sewing leather, and it works quite well for the task. (Granted, it is not particularly thick leather which I sew, but it is still leather. ;-) Enjoy, DoN. Was it LaSorda or Yogi who said, "It ain't bragging if you can do it"? Steve |
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We have a Singer 132K6 walking foot leather and canvas machine which my
grandfather bought for the carpet business he founded in 1936, although I don't know how old the machine is - be around then. My father used to show off and sew 3 ply plywood with it... Found the original packing crate under the house when granddad died... I used it the other day to fix a sun umbrella that came from the rubbish. Geoff |
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Geoff wrote:
We have a Singer 132K6 walking foot leather and canvas machine Now you're talking - that's a classic motor trimmer's machine. Built simple and robust, massive bobbin, easy to use and service. Alas, they're also pretty expensive, so I bought a Seiko walking foot instead. Not bad but with a much smaller bobbing I have to reload it more often. Will stitch 5/16" vinyl, leather, etc FAST. |
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"x" wrote in message ... hi all i'm hoping one of you fine gentlemen will be able to help me gain some wife approval points... she has a husqvarna (viking) '2000 SL' sewing machine (actually a couple, along with a bunch of others! - we arent the only species who has to have more than one of anything!) this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. Any suggestions? any idea what the original lube might be? i guess white lithium style grease, does that dry out over time? I could disassemble but i'd rather not as i am not familiar with re-timing if that was needed. appreciate all suggestions! russ (from Oz) If the old lube has become thick and gunky you may be able to wash it out using aerosol pack CO contact cleaner (from Atkins / maybe Dick Smith Electronics / Repco / Coventry's). I would use white or silicone grease too, note I _don't_ mean silicon heatsink grease. Others may know a better solution, maybe try phoning local sewing machine service company. I've fixed similar things where the grease has thickened through heat, aging and dust. I have not had problems but check the contact cleaner will not harm any plastic casings or gears etc. A syringe may help get the grease in where it is needed. I just remembered that decades ago Singer used to supply a very light oil in a plastic squeeze bottle with new sewing machines. Maybe this would still work! Good luck. |
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If the old lube has become thick and gunky you may be able to wash it out using aerosol pack CO contact cleaner (from Atkins / maybe Dick Smith For cleaning all the grease and junk out of anything, get Brake Clean from the auto parts store. Works great on all sorts of mechanisms. There will be no lube left, you'll have to re-lube after it dries. Karl |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:34:52 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: If the old lube has become thick and gunky you may be able to wash it out using aerosol pack CO contact cleaner (from Atkins / maybe Dick Smith For cleaning all the grease and junk out of anything, get Brake Clean from the auto parts store. Works great on all sorts of mechanisms. There will be no lube left, you'll have to re-lube after it dries. CAUTION: There may not be any plastic gears or cams left intact, either. Some solvents used as "Brake Cleaner" are very aggressive to plastics, and newer sewing machines have lots of plastic parts. -- Bruce -- |
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On Nov 6, 11:03 am, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:34:52 -0600, "Karl Townsend" wrote: If the old lube has become thick and gunky you may be able to wash it out using aerosol pack CO contact cleaner (from Atkins / maybe Dick Smith For cleaning all the grease and junk out of anything, get Brake Clean from the auto parts store. Works great on all sorts of mechanisms. There will be no lube left, you'll have to re-lube after it dries. CAUTION: There may not be any plastic gears or cams left intact, either. Some solvents used as "Brake Cleaner" are very aggressive to plastics, and newer sewing machines have lots of plastic parts. -- Bruce -- Bruce is quite right on this. Be darn sure there is not a plastic gear hiding somewhere.... TMT |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:22:57 +1100, with neither quill nor qualm, "x"
quickly quoth: hi all i'm hoping one of you fine gentlemen will be able to help me gain some wife approval points... she has a husqvarna (viking) '2000 SL' sewing machine (actually a couple, along with a bunch of others! - we arent the only species who has to have more than one of anything!) this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. My pedal (on a CONSEW model 210 and universal table) has a brake connected through the clutch, so doublecheck that the pedal isn't all the way back when you spin the machine by hand. Actual stiffness in a sewing machine usually indicates thread caught in places it shouldn't be. DAMHIKT. Triplecheck the bobbin area, disassemble the drive foot plates to check there, etc. Any suggestions? any idea what the original lube might be? i guess white lithium style grease, does that dry out over time? Good question. Does the local sewing machine repairman have any suggestions or carry Husky service manuals? I could disassemble but i'd rather not as i am not familiar with re-timing if that was needed. Grok that. Write to Husky and ask for manuals and answers to your questions if they persist. And learn how to time sewing machines. Women will cook wondrous goodies for you if you do, and your wife won't mind it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction. --Steven Wright ---------------------------- |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:22:57 +1100, "x" wrote:
hi all i'm hoping one of you fine gentlemen will be able to help me gain some wife approval points... she has a husqvarna (viking) '2000 SL' sewing machine (actually a couple, along with a bunch of others! - we arent the only species who has to have more than one of anything!) this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. Any suggestions? any idea what the original lube might be? i guess white lithium style grease, does that dry out over time? I could disassemble but i'd rather not as i am not familiar with re-timing if that was needed. appreciate all suggestions! russ (from Oz) not sure of the husky but when the janomi sewing machine and overlocker stiffen up I remove all the fluff from the mechanisms and lube with sewing machine oil. they run like clocks for a few years after that. shouldnt be any need to disassemble. Stealth Pilot |
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... hi all i'm hoping one of you fine gentlemen will be able to help me gain some wife approval points... she has a husqvarna (viking) '2000 SL' sewing machine (actually a couple, along with a bunch of others! - we arent the only species who has to have more than one of anything!) this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. Any suggestions? any idea what the original lube might be? i guess white lithium style grease, does that dry out over time? I could disassemble but i'd rather not as i am not familiar with re-timing if that was needed. appreciate all suggestions! russ (from Oz) Try yahoo groups- there's several groups that are dedicated to husky (viking) sewing machines. Pat |
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On Nov 6, 2:22 am, "x" wrote:
hi all i'm hoping one of you fine gentlemen will be able to help me gain some wife approval points... she has a husqvarna (viking) '2000 SL' sewing machine (actually a couple, along with a bunch of others! - we arent the only species who has to have more than one of anything!) this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. Any suggestions? any idea what the original lube might be? i guess white lithium style grease, does that dry out over time? I could disassemble but i'd rather not as i am not familiar with re-timing if that was needed. appreciate all suggestions! russ (from Oz) I'd use Singer sewing machine oil and grease myself. Any sewing machine place should have it. Karl |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:22:57 +1100, "x" wrote:
snip this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. snip I have heard/rumor that they use Teflon bearing surfaces. Don't know how this would be done. The machine (Husqvarna) that I've stuck my nose into looked much the same as any other that needs lube. I did use some Singer Sewing Machine oil in this same machine (most any store carries this, try the Walmart sewing area). As far as I can tell it didn't have any ill effects. It really bothered me to see all the dry bearing surfaces in it... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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thanks all for your replies.
i have now been told that they were claimed to be an impregnated style bearing. Based on everyones responses, I am moderately confident that it is not likely to be an 'exotic' lubricant, so i expect it will wash out with an ordinary type solvent, and just straight sewing machine oil will do. (i have also tracked down a suggestion to try heating it with hair dryer/hot air gun/ for a little while. I guess this would help an impregnated bearing leak a bit of oil out onto the bearing surface to wash and relube. A sewing machine mechanic suggested 'Prolon' a 'foaming teflon spray oil used for turbos- but i cant locate anything like that.) regards russ this one, and i think also the other, gets stuck in reverse. When opened, i can return it to forwards by applying a moderate amount of assistance to the spring return, but there is no way it will return by itself. This machine has 'lifetime lubrication' so there is no way to add oil. The action is smooth, but stiff. snip I have heard/rumor that they use Teflon bearing surfaces. Don't know how this would be done. The machine (Husqvarna) that I've stuck my nose into looked much the same as any other that needs lube. I did use some Singer Sewing Machine oil in this same machine (most any store carries this, try the Walmart sewing area). As far as I can tell it didn't have any ill effects. It really bothered me to see all the dry bearing surfaces in it... |
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