On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:17:01 -0000, Igor wrote:

On Nov 1, 3:37 pm, GatherNoMoss wrote:
......Why couldn't a large jet passenger plane, full of fuel, that
crashes into the World Trade Center building not have enough heat
energy to soften it metal structure enough to cause it's collapse ?

I ask the 9/11 conspiracy theorists this question....those who think
it impossible that it could happen.


Maybe you're just asking the wrong question. Maybe you should be
asking why Bush knew it was going to happen and did absolutely nothing
to stop it.

I don't live in the U.S. and aren't exposed to the US news, to any
great extent, so what I know about this conspiracy theory of why the
WTC fell down is from reading newsgroups like this one.

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

The whole conspiracy theory is a mystery to me.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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On Nov 1, 7:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:17:01 -0000, Igor wrote:
On Nov 1, 3:37 pm, GatherNoMoss wrote:
......Why couldn't a large jet passenger plane, full of fuel, that
crashes into the World Trade Center building not have enough heat
energy to soften it metal structure enough to cause it's collapse ?

I ask the 9/11 conspiracy theorists this question....those who think
it impossible that it could happen.

Maybe you're just asking the wrong question. Maybe you should be
asking why Bush knew it was going to happen and did absolutely nothing
to stop it.

I don't live in the U.S. and aren't exposed to the US news, to any
great extent, so what I know about this conspiracy theory of why the
WTC fell down is from reading newsgroups like this one.

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

The whole conspiracy theory is a mystery to me.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:displayed e-mail
address is a spam trap)

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why
did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

During the Vietnam conflict the "false flag" incident which
caused things to heat-up was the Gulf of Tonkin incident
where a false attack was attributed to the enemy thereby
creating a threat in the mind of the American public which
gave the U.S. the "public" reason it needed to escalate
the conflict.

It wasn't that long ago that one of our war ships was attacked
by Israeli war planes. During this attack neither the planes
or our back-up ships in the area would acknowledge radio
traffic by the U.S. ship. After much damage and casualties
the attack finally stopped. No good excuse has been
offered in this incident. My personal belief is that individual
Israeli officers took it on themselves to break-off (don't ask
for cites).

How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

dennis
in nca

On Nov 2, 9:09 am, rigger wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:





On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:17:01 -0000, Igor wrote:
On Nov 1, 3:37 pm, GatherNoMoss wrote:
......Why couldn't a large jet passenger plane, full of fuel, that
crashes into the World Trade Center building not have enough heat
energy to soften it metal structure enough to cause it's collapse ?

I ask the 9/11 conspiracy theorists this question....those who think
it impossible that it could happen.

Maybe you're just asking the wrong question. Maybe you should be
asking why Bush knew it was going to happen and did absolutely nothing
to stop it.

I don't live in the U.S. and aren't exposed to the US news, to any
great extent, so what I know about this conspiracy theory of why the
WTC fell down is from reading newsgroups like this one.

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

The whole conspiracy theory is a mystery to me.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:displayed e-mail
address is a spam trap)

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why
did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

During the Vietnam conflict the "false flag" incident which
caused things to heat-up was the Gulf of Tonkin incident
where a false attack was attributed to the enemy thereby
creating a threat in the mind of the American public which
gave the U.S. the "public" reason it needed to escalate
the conflict.

It wasn't that long ago that one of our war ships was attacked
by Israeli war planes. During this attack neither the planes
or our back-up ships in the area would acknowledge radio
traffic by the U.S. ship. After much damage and casualties
the attack finally stopped. No good excuse has been
offered in this incident. My personal belief is that individual
Israeli officers took it on themselves to break-off (don't ask
for cites).

How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

dennis
in nca- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Israel Air Force & Navy attacked the "Liberty" during the 6 Day
War with Egypt. It can be seen from this link,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... rch&plindex=1
The theory was that, the US wanted to have a reason to take over the
Middle East Oil Fields.
The most telling evidence around 9-11 is WTC7 coming down when no
plane hit it at all. Larry Silverstein (the owner of wtc7) said on an
abc Documentary about 9 months later, that he got a call in the
afternoon on 9-11 from the Fire Commander who said that "he didn't
know if he could contain the fires in wtc7", and Larry said , "You
know we have had so much loss of life already that maybe the smartest
thing to do is PULL-IT, and we watched the building come down"
How can this be explained except that the building had to set up with
charges in order to bring it straight down at free fall speed into
it's own footprint.
End of story, IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
All this was done to have an excuse to go into Iraq and secure their
OIL.
And to put the Patriot Act into place, to have more control over the
People of the US.

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:09:27 -0700, rigger wrote:

On Nov 1, 7:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:17:01 -0000, Igor wrote:
On Nov 1, 3:37 pm, GatherNoMoss wrote:
......Why couldn't a large jet passenger plane, full of fuel, that
crashes into the World Trade Center building not have enough heat
energy to soften it metal structure enough to cause it's collapse ?

I ask the 9/11 conspiracy theorists this question....those who think
it impossible that it could happen.

Maybe you're just asking the wrong question. Maybe you should be
asking why Bush knew it was going to happen and did absolutely nothing
to stop it.

I don't live in the U.S. and aren't exposed to the US news, to any
great extent, so what I know about this conspiracy theory of why the
WTC fell down is from reading newsgroups like this one.

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

The whole conspiracy theory is a mystery to me.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:displayed e-mail
address is a spam trap)

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why
did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

During the Vietnam conflict the "false flag" incident which
caused things to heat-up was the Gulf of Tonkin incident
where a false attack was attributed to the enemy thereby
creating a threat in the mind of the American public which
gave the U.S. the "public" reason it needed to escalate
the conflict.

It wasn't that long ago that one of our war ships was attacked
by Israeli war planes. During this attack neither the planes
or our back-up ships in the area would acknowledge radio
traffic by the U.S. ship. After much damage and casualties
the attack finally stopped. No good excuse has been
offered in this incident. My personal belief is that individual
Israeli officers took it on themselves to break-off (don't ask
for cites).

How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

dennis
in nca

This is just what I was talking about.

Logic would lead one to doubt that Israel had anything to do with the
WTC as the U.S. provides the major support, both financially and
politically for Israel.

As far as I can see the Israelis are pragmatic, "if it is to our
benefit do it!" On the other hand no one has ever accused Israelis of
being stupid.

Regardless of what power you may attribute to the "Jewish Block" in
the U.S. I cannot believe that any politician would not have voted for
an immediate declaration of war against Israel had it ever been
discovered that they were responsible for the WTC disaster. To fail to
do so would mean the abrupt end to the politician's career.

If one accepts this premise then it should be obvious that it was not
be to Israel's advantage to blow up the WTC as the downside would be
an immediate loss of U.S. support, or worse.

As for the Israeli attack on the U.S. ship I think it likely that it
was an incident similar to the U.S. shooting down the civilian
airliner over the Red Sea. I see you coming my way, I call you on the
radio, you don't answer, BANG!


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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address is a spam trap)

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:33:13 -0700, wrote:

On Nov 2, 9:09 am, rigger wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:





On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:17:01 -0000, Igor wrote:
On Nov 1, 3:37 pm, GatherNoMoss wrote:
......Why couldn't a large jet passenger plane, full of fuel, that
crashes into the World Trade Center building not have enough heat
energy to soften it metal structure enough to cause it's collapse ?

I ask the 9/11 conspiracy theorists this question....those who think
it impossible that it could happen.

Maybe you're just asking the wrong question. Maybe you should be
asking why Bush knew it was going to happen and did absolutely nothing
to stop it.

I don't live in the U.S. and aren't exposed to the US news, to any
great extent, so what I know about this conspiracy theory of why the
WTC fell down is from reading newsgroups like this one.

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

The whole conspiracy theory is a mystery to me.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:displayed e-mail
address is a spam trap)

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why
did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

During the Vietnam conflict the "false flag" incident which
caused things to heat-up was the Gulf of Tonkin incident
where a false attack was attributed to the enemy thereby
creating a threat in the mind of the American public which
gave the U.S. the "public" reason it needed to escalate
the conflict.

It wasn't that long ago that one of our war ships was attacked
by Israeli war planes. During this attack neither the planes
or our back-up ships in the area would acknowledge radio
traffic by the U.S. ship. After much damage and casualties
the attack finally stopped. No good excuse has been
offered in this incident. My personal belief is that individual
Israeli officers took it on themselves to break-off (don't ask
for cites).

How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

dennis
in nca- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Israel Air Force & Navy attacked the "Liberty" during the 6 Day
War with Egypt. It can be seen from this link,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... rch&plindex=1
The theory was that, the US wanted to have a reason to take over the
Middle East Oil Fields.
The most telling evidence around 9-11 is WTC7 coming down when no
plane hit it at all. Larry Silverstein (the owner of wtc7) said on an
abc Documentary about 9 months later, that he got a call in the
afternoon on 9-11 from the Fire Commander who said that "he didn't
know if he could contain the fires in wtc7", and Larry said , "You
know we have had so much loss of life already that maybe the smartest
thing to do is PULL-IT, and we watched the building come down"
How can this be explained except that the building had to set up with
charges in order to bring it straight down at free fall speed into
it's own footprint.
End of story, IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

And to put the Patriot Act into place, to have more control over the
People of the US.

Your statement, "All this was done to have an excuse to go into Iraq
and secure their OIL ", doesn't stand up.

The Kirkuk Field survey was contracted to Shell - a Dutch company and
the survey of Rumaila Field was contracted to BP - a British company.
These surveys were made to investigate methods to return the fields to
full production and to increase future expansion.

I'm sure that U.S. contractors are engaged in rebuilding the Iraqi
fields as U.S. companies are some of the most qualified oil field
specialists in the world but I'm equally that Schlumberger, originally
a French company, but now viewed more as a truly international company
due to its many joint ventures with foreign companies
(Dowell-Schlumberger with Dow Chemicals, for example)is involved.

U.S. oil consumption is about 25 million barrels of oil per day, if
your statement is correct then, given that Iraq's current production
is about 2 million barrels a day, and if the U.S. has secured this
oil, to use your own words, then oil prices in the U.S. should be
approximately 8% lower then world prices -- but it isn't.

I have so little knowledge of the U.S. political scene that I cannot
comment on the Patriot Act except to say that it looks much like laws
implement in Germany in the late 1930's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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address is a spam trap)

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:10:03 +0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Bruce in Bangkok quickly quoth:

rigger said:
How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

This is just what I was talking about.

Logic would lead one to doubt that Israel had anything to do with the
WTC as the U.S. provides the major support, both financially and
politically for Israel.

Huh? Setting up the Arabs, the Israelis' arch rivals, for the fall
isn't a potentially logical assumption? Did Snopes ever find out if
the large number of Jewish folks were actually absent (warned off the
day before) from the building the day of the blast, as stated in
several accounts?

AFAIC, there are still _FAR_ too many unanswered questions about 911
to be comfy with the cut and dried statement "binLaden did it!"

For one, after you hit a building at 500mph with that many tons of
airplane, it doesn't fall like a perfect reverse-implosion into
itself. It tilts and falls wherever it was weakened after the impact.

--
Knowledge and timber shouldn't be much used till they are seasoned.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:22:19 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:10:03 +0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Bruce in Bangkok quickly quoth:

rigger said:
How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

This is just what I was talking about.

Logic would lead one to doubt that Israel had anything to do with the
WTC as the U.S. provides the major support, both financially and
politically for Israel.

Huh? Setting up the Arabs, the Israelis' arch rivals, for the fall
isn't a potentially logical assumption? Did Snopes ever find out if
the large number of Jewish folks were actually absent (warned off the
day before) from the building the day of the blast, as stated in
several accounts?

AFAIC, there are still _FAR_ too many unanswered questions about 911
to be comfy with the cut and dried statement "binLaden did it!"

For one, after you hit a building at 500mph with that many tons of
airplane, it doesn't fall like a perfect reverse-implosion into
itself. It tilts and falls wherever it was weakened after the impact.


You don't read much, I suppose. The CORE in the CENTER of the WTC was
the major support. When the CENTER was weakened, the entire structure
did the expected, and fell STRAIGHT down.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:10:03 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


As for the Israeli attack on the U.S. ship I think it likely that it
was an incident similar to the U.S. shooting down the civilian
airliner over the Red Sea. I see you coming my way, I call you on the
radio, you don't answer, BANG!


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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address is a spam trap)


Yall may wish to read this....

http://hnn.us/articles/369.html

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:58:55 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:10:03 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


As for the Israeli attack on the U.S. ship I think it likely that it
was an incident similar to the U.S. shooting down the civilian
airliner over the Red Sea. I see you coming my way, I call you on the
radio, you don't answer, BANG!


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:displayed e-mail
address is a spam trap)


Yall may wish to read this....

http://hnn.us/articles/369.html

Gunner

Snipped your sign off quote. (I liked the one about picking up a turd
by the clean end better).

Basically what I said, to paraphrase Julius Caesar, you came, I saw,
I conquered.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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address is a spam trap)

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:15:43 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:58:55 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:10:03 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


As for the Israeli attack on the U.S. ship I think it likely that it
was an incident similar to the U.S. shooting down the civilian
airliner over the Red Sea. I see you coming my way, I call you on the
radio, you don't answer, BANG!


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:displayed e-mail
address is a spam trap)


Yall may wish to read this....

http://hnn.us/articles/369.html

Gunner

Snipped your sign off quote. (I liked the one about picking up a turd
by the clean end better).

Basically what I said, to paraphrase Julius Caesar, you came, I saw,
I conquered.


political correctness
1. An agenda pursued by Liberals to censor any and all statements that
may offend minorities and/or women, which in turn results in a
constricted dialogue of why minorities and women are inferior to white
men.

political correctness
A sign of mental illness common among paranoid twits. A guilt complex
embraced by liberals to show their shallowness.

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is
entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.