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Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects
around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? For making plans I'm currently using Vectorsoft Draw - a 2-d drawing program on PocketPC and experimenting with Google Sketch-up for 3-d drawings. Move away from paper a couple years ago. Would like to hear comments on what else is good. Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Thanks a lot Ross |
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"djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? It would be worthwhile, but if you're not building anything that risks life or limb, learning by trial and error isn't bad, either. For the examples you give there are two basic subjects you need to know: strength of materials, and "statics." If you want to learn them, be sure to use texts written for technical schools and junior colleges, not for four-year engineering-school students. The former explain it in terms of high school algebra. The latter do it in terms of calculus. If you're good at calculus, use either one. A basic study of these subjects will not make you a design engineer but it may prevent some of the grosser errors. And you may find it very interesting. These subjects provide a lot of suprises and insights into how things work -- and how they don't. I'd call a local community college and see if they have a program in "engineering technology," or something like that, and ask what texts they use. -- Ed Huntress |
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djenyc sezz:
Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Look for an engineering school macine design book. It will have good references for the section modulus of various shapes and materials as well as the simple formulas for calculating beam deflections, etc. One example: Machine Elements in Mechanical Design Mott, Robert ISBN: 0130618853 Publisher: Prentice Hall, Lebanon, Indiana, U.S.A. Publication Date: 2004 |
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If a forklift crumbled when lifting your dad, maybe he should lose
some weight. When I was building my trailer http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Home...th-M105A2-Bed/ I use a online deflection calculator. I think that while in general, engineering steel structures requires a lot of expertise, engineering severely overbuilt structures requires a little less expertise. i |
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Ed Huntress sezz:
For the examples you give there are two basic subjects you need to know: strength of materials, and "statics." If you want to learn them, be sure to use texts written for technical schools and junior colleges, not for four-year engineering-school students. The former explain it in terms of high school algebra. The latter do it in terms of calculus. If you're good at calculus, use either one. Good point. The book example I gave was used at a college in the mechanical engineering technology cirriculum. -- Doug |
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On Sep 27, 12:36 pm, Ignoramus2150
wrote: If a forklift crumbled when lifting your dad, maybe he should lose some weight. I needed that forklift to carry ~150lb load, not industrial size The part that folded was made from remains of 12 gauge mower decks ... running low on materials at the moment When I was building my trailer http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Home...th-M105A2-Bed/ I use a online deflection calculator. I think that while in general, engineering steel structures requires a lot of expertise, engineerig severely overbuilt structures requires a little less expertise. i Cool, do you have a link for that calculator. I wonder how 2x4's compare to black pipe... I'd like to overbuild, but I have a lot of ideas and not a lot of steel. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:49:26 -0700, djenyc wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:36 pm, Ignoramus2150 wrote: If a forklift crumbled when lifting your dad, maybe he should lose some weight. I needed that forklift to carry ~150lb load, not industrial size The part that folded was made from remains of 12 gauge mower decks ... running low on materials at the moment When I was building my trailer http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Home...th-M105A2-Bed/ I use a online deflection calculator. I think that while in general, engineering steel structures requires a lot of expertise, engineerig severely overbuilt structures requires a little less expertise. i Cool, do you have a link for that calculator. I wonder how 2x4's compare to black pipe... I'd like to overbuild, but I have a lot of ideas and not a lot of steel. I cannot find the link, I thought I had it. It is a deflection calculator from some mechanical society... i |
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On Sep 27, 11:44 am, "Doug" wrote:
djenyc sezz: Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Look for an engineering school macine design book. It will have good references for the section modulus of various shapes and materials as well as the simple formulas for calculating beam deflections, etc. One example: Machine Elements in Mechanical Design Mott, Robert ISBN: 0130618853 Publisher: Prentice Hall, Lebanon, Indiana, U.S.A. Publication Date: 2004 Doug, thanks for the book info. So far I've found a lot of good metalworking books in pdf format on http://www.metalwebnews.com/ed.html. I've been reading Farm Shop Practice, US Army - Fundamentals of Machine Tools, US Navy - Machinery Repairman Handbook, US Army - Welding Theory and Application, Aussie Weld - The Welding Tutorial. That and some books from local library and through inter-library loans. They were easy to read, but none went in to design details. On the other hand, books on mechanical engineering that I saw in local library were written for college courses, while I was looking for a few hundred pages farmer series type booklet . A problem with college course, imho - an overview course will not go in to enough details to be of practical use, and detailed courses go too far in to theory/formulas and procedures applicable to industrial production ...not ballpark figures for hack- jobs I'm in to I mean, may be I'm wrong, but the stuff I saw at the library was just scary |
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Mechanical Enginnering for Dummies - any suggestion on design making? Load ratings for common wood and steel materials like 2X4s etc
On Sep 27, 11:39 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? It would be worthwhile, but if you're not building anything that risks life or limb, learning by trial and error isn't bad, either. For the examples you give there are two basic subjects you need to know: strength of materials, and "statics." If you want to learn them, be sure to use texts written for technical schools and junior colleges, not for four-year engineering-school students. The former explain it in terms of high school algebra. The latter do it in terms of calculus. If you're good at calculus, use either one. A basic study of these subjects will not make you a design engineer but it may prevent some of the grosser errors. And you may find it very interesting. These subjects provide a lot of suprises and insights into how things work -- and how they don't. I'd call a local community college and see if they have a program in "engineering technology," or something like that, and ask what texts they use. -- Ed Huntress Ed, thanks, I'll check on what books they use at community college. I went to community college a while ago before transferring to university, and found they courses to be more entry-level and application oriented/ vs. more theoretical/fundamental stuff at 4 year school. It is odd though that there are a lot of free books on line (US Navy/Army, expired copyright, farming books, etc) about metalworking, welding, drafting, quality control, fabrication, but nothing on design... Even non-free selection seem to be more production and college oriented... |
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"djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 27, 11:39 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? It would be worthwhile, but if you're not building anything that risks life or limb, learning by trial and error isn't bad, either. For the examples you give there are two basic subjects you need to know: strength of materials, and "statics." If you want to learn them, be sure to use texts written for technical schools and junior colleges, not for four-year engineering-school students. The former explain it in terms of high school algebra. The latter do it in terms of calculus. If you're good at calculus, use either one. A basic study of these subjects will not make you a design engineer but it may prevent some of the grosser errors. And you may find it very interesting. These subjects provide a lot of suprises and insights into how things work -- and how they don't. I'd call a local community college and see if they have a program in "engineering technology," or something like that, and ask what texts they use. -- Ed Huntress Ed, thanks, I'll check on what books they use at community college. I went to community college a while ago before transferring to university, and found they courses to be more entry-level and application oriented/ vs. more theoretical/fundamental stuff at 4 year school. It is odd though that there are a lot of free books on line (US Navy/Army, expired copyright, farming books, etc) about metalworking, welding, drafting, quality control, fabrication, but nothing on design... Even non-free selection seem to be more production and college oriented... Yeah, that is interesting. I never looked online. My own books on those subjects are ones I bought decades ago, so I can't help you with titles. I'll tell you what I do when I want technology books like that, though -- particularly for construction trades, welding, landscaping, etc. I find out what the local community college is using and then I go look for them in their library. Then I come home and order them on an interlibrary loan through my local community library. That is, for books I don't want to keep. I'm very cheap. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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"djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Just on the off chance that this one is still around (these texts often go through many editions), the basic one I use is _Statics & Strength of Materials_ by Bassin, Brodsky, and Wolkoff. Mine is the 2nd edition, 1969, McGraw-Hill. It should be ideal for what you need. It even includes tables of properties for many materials, including different types of wood. But those are easy to find on the Web. And don't forget to ask here. There is a wealth of such information in the heads of the members of this NG. BTW, if you *really* want to know about wood, there is an excellent and enjoyable book titled _Understanding Wood_, by R. Bruce Hoadley (I hope I have the spelling right). This is no text -- it's written for the hobbyist -- but I hear it's used in technology classes, too. It's published by Taunton Press. -- Ed Huntress |
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Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course You might want to look at Harry Parker's "Simplified Design of Structural Steel" and "Simplified Design of Structural Timber" Kevin Gallimore ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Sep 27, 4:20 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Just on the off chance that this one is still around (these texts often go through many editions), the basic one I use is _Statics & Strength of Materials_ by Bassin, Brodsky, and Wolkoff. Mine is the 2nd edition, 1969, McGraw-Hill. It should be ideal for what you need. It even includes tables of properties for many materials, including different types of wood. But those are easy to find on the Web. And don't forget to ask here. There is a wealth of such information in the heads of the members of this NG. BTW, if you *really* want to know about wood, there is an excellent and enjoyable book titled _Understanding Wood_, by R. Bruce Hoadley (I hope I have the spelling right). This is no text -- it's written for the hobbyist -- but I hear it's used in technology classes, too. It's published by Taunton Press. -- Ed Huntress Thanks Ed! My local library has great online feature - I can look for books including inter-library loans from other libraries and make a loan-request online. Saves me an extra trip and time. And they call me up when the book is ready for pick-up, usually takes them 3-5 days. I actually just found and put in a request for Statics & Strength of Materials - 1988 edition and located Understanding Wood at the local library. Will check them out. Ross |
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"djenyc" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 27, 4:20 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Just on the off chance that this one is still around (these texts often go through many editions), the basic one I use is _Statics & Strength of Materials_ by Bassin, Brodsky, and Wolkoff. Mine is the 2nd edition, 1969, McGraw-Hill. It should be ideal for what you need. It even includes tables of properties for many materials, including different types of wood. But those are easy to find on the Web. And don't forget to ask here. There is a wealth of such information in the heads of the members of this NG. BTW, if you *really* want to know about wood, there is an excellent and enjoyable book titled _Understanding Wood_, by R. Bruce Hoadley (I hope I have the spelling right). This is no text -- it's written for the hobbyist -- but I hear it's used in technology classes, too. It's published by Taunton Press. -- Ed Huntress Thanks Ed! My local library has great online feature - I can look for books including inter-library loans from other libraries and make a loan-request online. Saves me an extra trip and time. And they call me up when the book is ready for pick-up, usually takes them 3-5 days. I actually just found and put in a request for Statics & Strength of Materials - 1988 edition and located Understanding Wood at the local library. Will check them out. Oh, that's a good deal on interlibrary loans. I have the rest of that, but they make me come in for interlibrary stuff. Well, happy reading. You'll only need some parts of _Statics..., which you'll recognize, but you may wind up reading through _Understanding Wood_. It's a classic. -- Ed Huntress |
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I got an engineering degree 30 years ago. promptly forgot all of it.
My design criteria has always been to find something about like what I'm building and copy it. "Shamelessly Plagiarized" is the term I use. Its worth it do drive a ways to find something like what you're doing. Some poor engineer has spent days designing that part, take advantage of his time. Karl |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... I got an engineering degree 30 years ago. promptly forgot all of it. My design criteria has always been to find something about like what I'm building and copy it. "Shamelessly Plagiarized" is the term I use. Its worth it do drive a ways to find something like what you're doing. Some poor engineer has spent days designing that part, take advantage of his time. There's the voice of wisdom. I do the same thing. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sep 28, 12:12 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... I got an engineering degree 30 years ago. promptly forgot all of it. My design criteria has always been to find something about like what I'm building and copy it. "Shamelessly Plagiarized" is the term I use. Its worth it do drive a ways to find something like what you're doing. Some poor engineer has spent days designing that part, take advantage of his time. There's the voice of wisdom. I do the same thing. -- Ed Huntress How do you know that whoever built the article you are copying actually spent time designing it? When I was doing design work, the first thing I did was go to the tech library and see what others had done. But you need to run a few calculations before deciding to use some one elses design. Dan |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 28, 12:12 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... I got an engineering degree 30 years ago. promptly forgot all of it. My design criteria has always been to find something about like what I'm building and copy it. "Shamelessly Plagiarized" is the term I use. Its worth it do drive a ways to find something like what you're doing. Some poor engineer has spent days designing that part, take advantage of his time. There's the voice of wisdom. I do the same thing. -- Ed Huntress How do you know that whoever built the article you are copying actually spent time designing it? I don't. Maybe he copied it, too. But I'm talking about hobby things, not production. For example, I made a fly reel around 20 years ago (*far* more effort than it was worth), and I just copied some of it from one I had. Same for the oscillating steam engine I made. It probably was a 10th-generation copy. g When I was doing design work, the first thing I did was go to the tech library and see what others had done. But you need to run a few calculations before deciding to use some one elses design. If I ever build a bridge, I'll keep that in mind. g Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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For your type of use I'd recommend something like
Architectural and Engineering Calculations Manual (Hardcover) by Robert Brown Butler # Hardcover: 464 pages # Publisher: McGraw-Hill Companies (August 1983) # Language: English # ISBN-10: 0070093636 # ISBN-13: 978-0070093638 In spite of the broad sounding title, it has sections on sizing steel beams, wood beams, pull out strength of screws, etc etc. And the other sections talk about lighting levels for your shop (or whatever), pipe sizes, etc etc. No theory, just formulas for what you need. djenyc wrote: Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? For making plans I'm currently using Vectorsoft Draw - a 2-d drawing program on PocketPC and experimenting with Google Sketch-up for 3-d drawings. Move away from paper a couple years ago. Would like to hear comments on what else is good. Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Thanks a lot Ross |
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On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Dan |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Yes, we should print that and hang it on our walls. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:49:17 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth: wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Yes, we should print that and hang it on our walls. Indeed. I came to the realization several years ago that I wasn't really a woodworker, I was merely an "enhanced tool collector". Ayup, I'll work wood and metal and plastic on occasion, but I'm more of a tool collector these days. sigh 'Course, that new Karcher/Honda pressure washer I bought netted me a $2,200 job which I just finished today, so I'm using a lot of the tools, too. 2k+ s/f of concrete cleaned, primed, and opaque-stained in 3 coats. She chose the first color (which turned out too light), then a second color (which I called "50s Pink"), and then the final color, one of the trim colors on their interior. It was juuust right. 300 s/f x3. Then on to the front porch/walk, then on to the lower porch and walkway, complete with 20 concrete steps & 4 landings. -- Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels, throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711 |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:11:20 -0500, RoyJ
wrote: For your type of use I'd recommend something like Architectural and Engineering Calculations Manual (Hardcover) I was going to suggest an architectural reference or an architectural structures course as well. I helped my daughter a bit with her course and it integrated statics and structural design, as opposed to my engineering courses where statics, strength of materials and structures were spread across four or five courses. Another good practical book is Blodgett's "Design of Weldments," published by Lincoln. And a bargain at $15. https://ssl.lincolnelectric.com/foun...dnum=DW&PID=16 -- Ned Simmons |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:49:17 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" quickly quoth: wrote in message groups.com... On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Yes, we should print that and hang it on our walls. Indeed. I came to the realization several years ago that I wasn't really a woodworker, I was merely an "enhanced tool collector". Ayup, I'll work wood and metal and plastic on occasion, but I'm more of a tool collector these days. sigh That's not such a bad thing. It's better than collecting stamps. 'Course, that new Karcher/Honda pressure washer I bought netted me a $2,200 job which I just finished today, so I'm using a lot of the tools, too. 2k+ s/f of concrete cleaned, primed, and opaque-stained in 3 coats. She chose the first color (which turned out too light), then a second color (which I called "50s Pink"), and then the final color, one of the trim colors on their interior. It was juuust right. 300 s/f x3. Then on to the front porch/walk, then on to the lower porch and walkway, complete with 20 concrete steps & 4 landings. And...you have the start of a new pressure-washer collection, doubtless the first in your neighborhood. -- Ed Huntress |
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oups.com: Thanks Ed! My local library has great online feature - I can look for books including inter-library loans from other libraries and make a loan-request online. Saves me an extra trip and time. And they call me up when the book is ready for pick-up, usually takes them 3-5 days. I actually just found and put in a request for Statics & Strength of Materials - 1988 edition and located Understanding Wood at the local library. Will check them out. Ross My library does this also, works out great since we homeschool our kids and frequently need all kinds of reference books. Nothing like getting online with a list of recommended books for whatever the curriculum we are currently using, be able to get them from just about anywhere in the state and have them delivered to our local branch. Only thing better would be if they could deliver them directly to our door, then again that would negate the weekly trip to the library for the kids and in my opinion nothing beats wondering around a library as you never know what might catch your fancy. Bill |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:54:13 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth: wrote in message I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Yes, we should print that and hang it on our walls. Indeed. I came to the realization several years ago that I wasn't really a woodworker, I was merely an "enhanced tool collector". Ayup, I'll work wood and metal and plastic on occasion, but I'm more of a tool collector these days. sigh That's not such a bad thing. It's better than collecting stamps. Ain't dat de trufe? 'Course, that new Karcher/Honda pressure washer I bought netted me a $2,200 job which I just finished today, so I'm using a lot of the tools, too. 2k+ s/f of concrete cleaned, primed, and opaque-stained in 3 coats. She chose the first color (which turned out too light), then a second color (which I called "50s Pink"), and then the final color, one of the trim colors on their interior. It was juuust right. 300 s/f x3. Then on to the front porch/walk, then on to the lower porch and walkway, complete with 20 concrete steps & 4 landings. And...you have the start of a new pressure-washer collection, doubtless the first in your neighborhood. Nonononononono! We don't need that. Now I have to build a secure shed in which to store it (and the mowers.) -- Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels, throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711 |
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On Sep 27, 10:34 pm, " wrote:
On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Dan Thanks guys, I'll feel better now about hacking without a definite plan, even if I have to go back and redo it a bunch of times ... will stay away from SolidWorks and AutoCad, just back of a napkin sketch . Although, reading-up on basic differences in strength between building materials should help. Ross |
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On Sep 27, 11:29 pm, Ned Simmons wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:11:20 -0500, RoyJ wrote: For your type of use I'd recommend something like Architectural and Engineering Calculations Manual (Hardcover) I was going to suggest an architectural reference or an architectural structures course as well. I helped my daughter a bit with her course and it integrated statics and structural design, as opposed to my engineering courses where statics, strength of materials and structures were spread across four or five courses. Another good practical book is Blodgett's "Design of Weldments," published by Lincoln. And a bargain at $15.https://ssl.lincolnelectric.com/foun...dnum=DW&PID=16 -- Ned Simmons Roy, Ned - will check those books. Thank you for recommendations. Ross |
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"djenyc" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 27, 10:34 pm, " wrote: On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Dan Thanks guys, I'll feel better now about hacking without a definite plan, even if I have to go back and redo it a bunch of times ... will stay away from SolidWorks and AutoCad, just back of a napkin sketch . Although, reading-up on basic differences in strength between building materials should help. Oh, yeah, lots of interesting and often surprising stuff there. For example, plywood stacks up well against foam-core fiberglass composite, and it's stronger and lighter than uncored fiberglass-cloth/polyester composite layups. And aluminum has no strength advantage over steel on a pound-for-pound basis if the loads are strictly in tension or compression (it's better in bending). And so on. -- Ed Huntress |
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"djenyc" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 27, 10:34 pm, " wrote: On Sep 28, 2:37 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Actually, I agree. I considered building a spaceframe sports car five or so years ago, and I even got a simple FEA (Cadre) to analyze others' designs. (Many commercial frames suck in a big way when you analyze their torsional stiffness.) Then I got so caught up in studying and analyzing chassis design that I never built one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress I also get caught up in studying and analyzing and often don't ever get around to doing any actual building. The things that I design and don't build always are perfect. The things I actually build often are not prefect. Dan Thanks guys, I'll feel better now about hacking without a definite plan, even if I have to go back and redo it a bunch of times ... will stay away from SolidWorks and AutoCad, just back of a napkin sketch . Although, reading-up on basic differences in strength between building materials should help. Oh, yeah, lots of interesting and often surprising stuff there. For example, plywood stacks up well against foam-core fiberglass composite, and it's stronger and lighter than uncored fiberglass-cloth/polyester composite layups. And aluminum has no strength advantage over steel on a pound-for-pound basis if the loads are strictly in tension or compression (it's better in bending). And so on. -- Ed Huntress |
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I trust that you will come to appreciate that credible structural analysis
consists of rather a lot more than plugging numbers into formulas and hoping for the best. For example: - Measuring, calculating, guesstimating the loads and the uncertainty thereof. - Determining the interaction effect of multiple, simultaneous loads. - Determining whether loads are constant (static) or fluctuating, and if the latter, characterizing that fluctuation numerically. - Considering less obvious sources of loading (e.g. earthquake, snow loads, steady wind loads, wind gusts flowing fluid loads, people clambering on your baby). - Determining whether a 2D analysis is adequate to describe a 3D situation (or when nothing short of a valid finite element computer analysis is required or when the situation is so complicated that an established empirical approach (e.g. lugs)or outright experimental load testing of a prototype is called for). - Determining how loads distribute themselves among redundant structural elements (such as multiple fasteners). - Determining all the possible modes of structural failure and which is the critical one (e.g. excessive deflection, non-linear deflection, permanent deformation, tension/compression/shear failures, ductile rupture, brittle fracture, fatigue cracking, stress-corrosion cracking, hydrogen embrittlement, creep, elastic buckling, elastic/plastic buckling, plastic buckling, delamination). - Locating the appropriate properties for the material in the condition pertaining to its planned use (e.g. Tensile yield strength, in the direction of the grain, of Southern yellow pine, air dried, at a moisture content in equilibrium with its worst-case planned environment). - Statistical variability and possible directionality of material properties. - Environmental degradation of material properties over time (e.g. wood decay, sunlight and atmospheric effects on PVC). - Materials that behave as composites (e.g. concrete slabs with rebar). - Estimating the effects of material imperfections (e.g. holes, knots, notches, changes in section thickness, corrosion penetration) and whether this is relevant to the critical failure mode. - Understanding how joints and support points affect stress distributions (and whether that's relevant to the critical failure mode). - Understanding the assumptions and simplification inherent in the derivation of strength formulas (even the most sophisticated analyses contain simplifying assumptions, such as, for example, linear material behavior) and recognizing situations in which these assumptions are simply not tenable. - Considering how serious are the possible consequences of a structural failure. - Are there liability issues associated with structural failure (anbody but you going to go near it) ? - Knowing when established codes or standards should be (or must be) applied (e.g. residential/commercial building codes, AISC structural steel design codes, timber design codes). - Considering all the things that I forgot to mention in the absence of a specific design problem. - Given all of the above, determining the appropriate factor of safety to apply Note: The appropriate FS arrived at logically by an engineer is often much greater than one the layman might choose and feel to be adequate. All that said, some references a Roark, Formulas for Stress and Strain Baumeister & Marks, Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers AISC Manual of Steel Construction (ASD) http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fp.../fplgtr113.htm http://trs.nis.nasa.gov/perl/search?...pe=ALL&authors %2Feditors=&authors%2Feditors_srchtype=ALL&year=&_ satisfyall=ALL&_order=byti tle&_action_search=Search http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=589 http://www.efunda.com/materials/mate.../materials.cfm http://www.matweb.com/index.asp?ckck=1 http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=754 David Merrill "djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? snip... Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Thanks a lot Ross |
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On Sep 28, 5:53 pm, "David Merrill" wrote:
I trust that you will come to appreciate that credible structural analysis consists of rather a lot more than plugging numbers into formulas and hoping for the best. For example: - Measuring, calculating, guesstimating the loads and the uncertainty thereof. - Determining the interaction effect of multiple, simultaneous loads. - Determining whether loads are constant (static) or fluctuating, and if the latter, characterizing that fluctuation numerically. - Considering less obvious sources of loading (e.g. earthquake, snow loads, steady wind loads, wind gusts flowing fluid loads, people clambering on your baby). - Determining whether a 2D analysis is adequate to describe a 3D situation (or when nothing short of a valid finite element computer analysis is required or when the situation is so complicated that an established empirical approach (e.g. lugs)or outright experimental load testing of a prototype is called for). - Determining how loads distribute themselves among redundant structural elements (such as multiple fasteners). - Determining all the possible modes of structural failure and which is the critical one (e.g. excessive deflection, non-linear deflection, permanent deformation, tension/compression/shear failures, ductile rupture, brittle fracture, fatigue cracking, stress-corrosion cracking, hydrogen embrittlement, creep, elastic buckling, elastic/plastic buckling, plastic buckling, delamination). - Locating the appropriate properties for the material in the condition pertaining to its planned use (e.g. Tensile yield strength, in the direction of the grain, of Southern yellow pine, air dried, at a moisture content in equilibrium with its worst-case planned environment). - Statistical variability and possible directionality of material properties. - Environmental degradation of material properties over time (e.g. wood decay, sunlight and atmospheric effects on PVC). - Materials that behave as composites (e.g. concrete slabs with rebar). - Estimating the effects of material imperfections (e.g. holes, knots, notches, changes in section thickness, corrosion penetration) and whether this is relevant to the critical failure mode. - Understanding how joints and support points affect stress distributions (and whether that's relevant to the critical failure mode). - Understanding the assumptions and simplification inherent in the derivation of strength formulas (even the most sophisticated analyses contain simplifying assumptions, such as, for example, linear material behavior) and recognizing situations in which these assumptions are simply not tenable. - Considering how serious are the possible consequences of a structural failure. - Are there liability issues associated with structural failure (anbody but you going to go near it) ? - Knowing when established codes or standards should be (or must be) applied (e.g. residential/commercial building codes, AISC structural steel design codes, timber design codes). - Considering all the things that I forgot to mention in the absence of a specific design problem. - Given all of the above, determining the appropriate factor of safety to apply Note: The appropriate FS arrived at logically by an engineer is often much greater than one the layman might choose and feel to be adequate. All that said, some references a Roark, Formulas for Stress and Strain Baumeister & Marks, Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers AISC Manual of Steel Construction (ASD) http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fp.../fplgtr113.htm http://trs.nis.nasa.gov/perl/search?...%2Freportno%2F... %2Feditors=&authors%2Feditors_srchtype=ALL&year=&_ satisfyall=ALL&_order=byti tle&_action_search=Search http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=589 http://www.efunda.com/materials/mate.../materials.cfm http://www.matweb.com/index.asp?ckck=1 http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=754 David Merrill "djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? snip... Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Thanks a lot Ross David, You raise very good points. But, nothing would ever get built if all the i's got dotted and the t's got crossed. It is EXPERIENCE that allows shortcuts to the desired result. Many, many designs begin with sketches of what it should look like, along with likely material sizes. A quick analysis then would verify the strength of the design and allow adjustments. Use large factors of safety, an FOS of 5 to 10 is not too much...this is also called factor of ignorance among the initiates. :-)) Steel is cheap and you're not building an airplane, are you? Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement. Wolfgang |
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On Sep 27, 3:20 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
BTW, if you *really* want to know about wood, there is an excellent and enjoyable book titled _Understanding Wood_, by R. Bruce Hoadley (I hope I have the spelling right). This is no text -- it's written for the hobbyist -- but I hear it's used in technology classes, too. It's published by Taunton Press. http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas..._Handbook.html I'm not sure how this compares to what you mentioned, but its free and looks very technical. I've browsed a few sections in the past. "Wood Handbook -- Wood as an Engineering Material Information on engineering with wood, properties of wood and designing with wood. September 28, 2002" |
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wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 27, 3:20 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: BTW, if you *really* want to know about wood, there is an excellent and enjoyable book titled _Understanding Wood_, by R. Bruce Hoadley (I hope I have the spelling right). This is no text -- it's written for the hobbyist -- but I hear it's used in technology classes, too. It's published by Taunton Press. http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas..._Handbook.html I'm not sure how this compares to what you mentioned, but its free and looks very technical. I've browsed a few sections in the past. "Wood Handbook -- Wood as an Engineering Material Information on engineering with wood, properties of wood and designing with wood. September 28, 2002" Oh year, the Forest Products Laboratory book. Also excellent, although aimed more at the engineer. I have a really old copy of it that I have referred to in the past. Hoadley's book is more for the amateur who wants a good understanding of wood as a furniture and building material. I think Hoadley is an engineer himself, and an academic, but he takes the point of view of a hobbyist. At the same time, the book is very thorough and provides a lot of information about dealing with shrinkage and expansion, etc. It also contains excellent information on identifying species of wood from any old plank you have lying around (You need a 15X hand lens). For me, that alone makes it worth the price. -- Ed Huntress |
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David, I see there are a lot of design factors too consider- with
major ones to not get sued or get hurt Will try to keep that in mind when applying theory to practice Those pdf links are great! Thanks a lot. Ross On Sep 28, 5:53 pm, "David Merrill" wrote: I trust that you will come to appreciate that credible structural analysis consists of rather a lot more than plugging numbers into formulas and hoping for the best. For example: - Measuring, calculating, guesstimating the loads and the uncertainty thereof. - Determining the interaction effect of multiple, simultaneous loads. - Determining whether loads are constant (static) or fluctuating, and if the latter, characterizing that fluctuation numerically. - Considering less obvious sources of loading (e.g. earthquake, snow loads, steady wind loads, wind gusts flowing fluid loads, people clambering on your baby). - Determining whether a 2D analysis is adequate to describe a 3D situation (or when nothing short of a valid finite element computer analysis is required or when the situation is so complicated that an established empirical approach (e.g. lugs)or outright experimental load testing of a prototype is called for). - Determining how loads distribute themselves among redundant structural elements (such as multiple fasteners). - Determining all the possible modes of structural failure and which is the critical one (e.g. excessive deflection, non-linear deflection, permanent deformation, tension/compression/shear failures, ductile rupture, brittle fracture, fatigue cracking, stress-corrosion cracking, hydrogen embrittlement, creep, elastic buckling, elastic/plastic buckling, plastic buckling, delamination). - Locating the appropriate properties for the material in the condition pertaining to its planned use (e.g. Tensile yield strength, in the direction of the grain, of Southern yellow pine, air dried, at a moisture content in equilibrium with its worst-case planned environment). - Statistical variability and possible directionality of material properties. - Environmental degradation of material properties over time (e.g. wood decay, sunlight and atmospheric effects on PVC). - Materials that behave as composites (e.g. concrete slabs with rebar). - Estimating the effects of material imperfections (e.g. holes, knots, notches, changes in section thickness, corrosion penetration) and whether this is relevant to the critical failure mode. - Understanding how joints and support points affect stress distributions (and whether that's relevant to the critical failure mode). - Understanding the assumptions and simplification inherent in the derivation of strength formulas (even the most sophisticated analyses contain simplifying assumptions, such as, for example, linear material behavior) and recognizing situations in which these assumptions are simply not tenable. - Considering how serious are the possible consequences of a structural failure. - Are there liability issues associated with structural failure (anbody but you going to go near it) ? - Knowing when established codes or standards should be (or must be) applied (e.g. residential/commercial building codes, AISC structural steel design codes, timber design codes). - Considering all the things that I forgot to mention in the absence of a specific design problem. - Given all of the above, determining the appropriate factor of safety to apply Note: The appropriate FS arrived at logically by an engineer is often much greater than one the layman might choose and feel to be adequate. All that said, some references a Roark, Formulas for Stress and Strain Baumeister & Marks, Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers AISC Manual of Steel Construction (ASD) http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fp.../fplgtr113.htm http://trs.nis.nasa.gov/perl/search?...%2Freportno%2F... %2Feditors=&authors%2Feditors_srchtype=ALL&year=&_ satisfyall=ALL&_order=byti tle&_action_search=Search http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=589 http://www.efunda.com/materials/mate.../materials.cfm http://www.matweb.com/index.asp?ckck=1 http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=754 David Merrill "djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? snip... Are there any good books for home-workshop design /plans making? - just basic practical stuff that can be readily applied, not looking for Mechanical Engineering intro course Thanks a lot Ross |
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I got an engineering degree 30 years ago. promptly forgot all of it. My design criteria has always been to find something about like what I'm building and copy it. "Shamelessly Plagiarized" is the term I use. Its worth it do drive a ways to find something like what you're doing. Some poor engineer has spent days designing that part, take advantage of his time. Karl I got an engineering degree about 20 years ago, I remember much of it and I keep studying the subject to learn more. Yet I use pretty much the same design criteria when I can -- if I'm not doing something totally unique, I start by shamelessly copying some existing work. I'll usually do some reverse engineering and analysis on it to make sure that the original designers knew what they were up to, but that doesn't keep me from using existing knowledge. Even if I am doing something totally unique, if there are parts of it that aren't unique -- I get all shameless, and start looking for existing designs. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"djenyc" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I'm doing some hobby level wood and metal fabrication projects around house - shelving, boat cradle/ boat lift / trailer implements/ carts / work tables/ bike racks etc. I'm mostly using scrap material that I happened to come buy... I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no idea what load/deflection ratings are for different materials. I've been using 2x4, steel tubbing, angle iron ... just found 20 ft of 2" pipe another day ... Currently, when I'm designing stuff, I just rely on limited prior experience and eye measure. Some things turn out to be overbuilt and sometimes things fail under load (hopefully it's not critical and I get a chance at redesign ). For example, I built a manual forklift last week and it crumbled while testing/lifting my dad - now I know where to strengthen it , but is where a better way? Would it be worthwhile to look up load ratings of common materials like steel pipe and 2x4? Where would I find such information? Or are this calculations so complicated, that I'd be better off continuing with what I'm doing? It would be worthwhile, but if you're not building anything that risks life or limb, learning by trial and error isn't bad, either. For the examples you give there are two basic subjects you need to know: strength of materials, and "statics." If you want to learn them, be sure to use texts written for technical schools and junior colleges, not for four-year engineering-school students. The former explain it in terms of high school algebra. The latter do it in terms of calculus. If you're good at calculus, use either one. A basic study of these subjects will not make you a design engineer but it may prevent some of the grosser errors. And you may find it very interesting. These subjects provide a lot of suprises and insights into how things work -- and how they don't. I'd call a local community college and see if they have a program in "engineering technology," or something like that, and ask what texts they use. I took a quick tour of all the 1st-level answers to the OP's question, and this is just about the best one, and the one that I'd recommend if such a book exists in the area you need to know. You may even consider going to said community college and taking the class, if you have time. This will be particularly useful if you can buttonhole the instructor and ask questions about specific projects you're working on -- you'll get a design review of something you care about, and information that pertains directly to what you're doing. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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