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I seem to have a problem here.
Victor F-100, 0, 00, and #3(?) tips (aircraft project stuff), regulators, small dia hoses, and tanks in a dolly. No, the rig works fine, but I'm moving into a rental house and noticed in the lease a clause prohibiting storage of flammable or explosive materials. Small amounts of ammo (less than 2000 rounds per piece :) are deemed ok, but the acetylene tanks might make the insurance company itchy, so... So, anybody in the D/FW area who would like have this rig? Tanks were last exchanged in 05. I don't recall the correct size designations. O2 is ~5' tall, Acetylene is about 3. What would it be worth in cash or trade? Richard |
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Richard: Just chain them up behind the garage and tarp them. Or keep them on the patio. I kept my rig on the balcony of several apratments here in the DFW area and never had a problem as long as they were covered...disguised.....ahem...ahem.. Craig |
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What do you know about the landlord? It ought to be OK to just move
them in and tarp them; if the landlord says anything apologize and get serious about finding them a new home. |
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
What do you know about the landlord? It ought to be OK to just move them in and tarp them; if the landlord says anything apologize and get serious about finding them a new home. He pointed out that it's an insurance issue. The lease reads, "anything that might increase risk or rates"... As for a "new home", I'm getting ready to go sailing for a while. Three to six months for sure, maybe longer...? But my lady friend isn't going - yet. She has a daughter in high school, so it will be a while for her. I'm trying to lighten up the storage requirements on stuff that I really don't need to store. Remember George Carlin's rant an;it "stuff"? Richard |
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cavelamb himself writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: What do you know about the landlord? It ought to be OK to just move them in and tarp them; if the landlord says anything apologize and get serious about finding them a new home. He pointed out that it's an insurance issue. The lease reads, "anything that might increase risk or rates"... Ah, you asked? That makes it awkward. But if it says "might increase risk or rates" I wonder if an oxy rig really would? As for a "new home", I'm getting ready to go sailing for a while. Three to six months for sure, maybe longer...? But my lady friend isn't going - yet. She has a daughter in high school, so it will be a while for her. Sorry, I meant a new home for the oxy rig if it turned out to be necessary. I'm trying to lighten up the storage requirements on stuff that I really don't need to store. Remember George Carlin's rant an;it "stuff"? I'm afraid that if you followed the pack rats when they made a pilgrimage to their shrine, you'd find them kneeling in before a bunch of little candles in front of a picture of me.... (sadly enough) |
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On 21 Jul 2007 22:47:35 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
wrote: cavelamb himself writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: What do you know about the landlord? It ought to be OK to just move them in and tarp them; if the landlord says anything apologize and get serious about finding them a new home. He pointed out that it's an insurance issue. The lease reads, "anything that might increase risk or rates"... Ah, you asked? That makes it awkward. But if it says "might increase risk or rates" I wonder if an oxy rig really would? As for a "new home", I'm getting ready to go sailing for a while. Three to six months for sure, maybe longer...? But my lady friend isn't going - yet. She has a daughter in high school, so it will be a while for her. Sorry, I meant a new home for the oxy rig if it turned out to be necessary. I'm trying to lighten up the storage requirements on stuff that I really don't need to store. Remember George Carlin's rant an;it "stuff"? I'm afraid that if you followed the pack rats when they made a pilgrimage to their shrine, you'd find them kneeling in before a bunch of little candles in front of a picture of me.... (sadly enough) Can't you just return the bottles and get the deposit back. Then you can store the4 torch and regulators? Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
I seem to have a problem here. Victor F-100, 0, 00, and #3(?) tips (aircraft project stuff), regulators, small dia hoses, and tanks in a dolly. No, the rig works fine, but I'm moving into a rental house and noticed in the lease a clause prohibiting storage of flammable or explosive materials. Small amounts of ammo (less than 2000 rounds per piece :) are deemed ok, but the acetylene tanks might make the insurance company itchy, so... So, anybody in the D/FW area who would like have this rig? Tanks were last exchanged in 05. I don't recall the correct size designations. O2 is ~5' tall, Acetylene is about 3. What would it be worth in cash or trade? Richard It really depends on how often you might need them in the future. There has to be several options other than parting with them. the insurance clause is onerous and stupid.. what about gas for a grass mower? chainsaw etc, or fire wood and paper? Ask the landlord about this? .. there all other combustible materials like upholstered furniture magazines cooking oil as well as cotton clothing plastic etc. What about releasing the gas? fromthe tank. No gas no fire risk. then you get to Keep the gear. Youve a natural justice right to raise these concerns |
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Bruce wrote: Can't you just return the bottles and get the deposit back. Then you can store the4 torch and regulators? If the tanks are yours, you could just empty them and have zero fire hazard ;) |
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He pointed out that it's an insurance issue. The lease reads, "anything that might increase risk or rates"... Richard, considering your affection for building and flying homebuilt experimentals thus preclude you? VBG George |
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George wrote:
snip He pointed out that it's an insurance issue. The lease reads, "anything that might increase risk or rates"... Richard, considering your affection for building and flying homebuilt experimentals thus preclude you? VBG George LoL! Yep, there is that. But I have repented. I'm just a simple sailor now... Richard |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
No, the rig works fine, but I'm moving into a rental house and noticed in the lease a clause prohibiting storage of flammable or explosive materials. Empty the tanks. Wes |
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Wes wrote:
cavelamb himself wrote: No, the rig works fine, but I'm moving into a rental house and noticed in the lease a clause prohibiting storage of flammable or explosive materials. Empty the tanks. Wes And then? I'm trying to get rid of them... |
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But I have repented. I'm just a simple sailor now... That is sad to hear, but then it is all about aerodynamics isn't it? Where are you planning to sail? Caribbean or further? Of course you are going to continue dropping in to r.a.h. aren't you? If not, you will be missed. Anyway and whatever, all the best. George |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:44:18 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes
quickly quoth: cavelamb himself wrote: No, the rig works fine, but I'm moving into a rental house and noticed in the lease a clause prohibiting storage of flammable or explosive materials. Empty the tanks. Into his landlord's car? bseg - Metaphors Be With You - |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote: And then? I'm trying to get rid of them... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just went back and re-read your original post. The lease on the new place you have rented does not allow storage of combustibles or explosives. Empty the acetylene tank. Oxygen is neither combustible or explosive. (You may have to argue with some people about it.) |
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote: And then? I'm trying to get rid of them... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just went back and re-read your original post. The lease on the new place you have rented does not allow storage of combustibles or explosives. Empty the acetylene tank. Oxygen is neither combustible or explosive. (You may have to argue with some people about it.) I'm a little vague on how this will help him sell an O/A rig he no longer needs. The guy has unneeded gear and wants money, this is not a tough problem guys. If I was closer I'd throw you an offer. BTW emptying an acetylene tank of Acetylene will leave you with a tank full of acetone...which is still highly flammable. |
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Stuart Wheaton writes:
Leo Lichtman wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote: And then? I'm trying to get rid of them... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just went back and re-read your original post. The lease on the new place you have rented does not allow storage of combustibles or explosives. Empty the acetylene tank. Oxygen is neither combustible or explosive. (You may have to argue with some people about it.) I'm a little vague on how this will help him sell an O/A rig he no longer needs. The guy has unneeded gear and wants money, this is not a tough problem guys. If I was closer I'd throw you an offer. BTW emptying an acetylene tank of Acetylene will leave you with a tank full of acetone...which is still highly flammable. Go back and read his original post. He seemed, at that point, to only be trying to get rid of the rig because of the terms of the lease (in which case, solutions that involved keeping the rig seemed preferable). It was only later that it came out he might just want to get rid of it anyway. |
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George wrote:
snip But I have repented. I'm just a simple sailor now... That is sad to hear, but then it is all about aerodynamics isn't it? Where are you planning to sail? Caribbean or further? Of course you are going to continue dropping in to r.a.h. aren't you? If not, you will be missed. Anyway and whatever, all the best. George Aw, George, don't make me get all misty now... I truly did enjoy the work. And especially the people. Yeah, I'll miss it. But on to new things. The only permanent thing in life is change. I did manage to accomplish that childish childhood dream. Design, build and fly my own airplanes. What a hoot that was! Like all the excitement of your first solo - layered with all the dread of wondering what you forgot... Lots of raw wild emotion there. You are right. Flying and sailing are identical opposites. So I fly a one-winged glider now and 6 knots is really hauling! I'm going to launch from Khema in a few months. Heading along the coast with the vague intent of making the Bahamas and back before the season starts up again. Just trying to get the girls all settled into their new home first. School starts up soon so they need to get it done now. I just posted a garage sale notice in R.A.H. Cleaning out boxes of stuff and found a few aviation related things that I just couldn't toss in the trash - and don't want to store. There are some beautiful models there - if anyone here is interested. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~tp-1/index.htm And - yes - I still need to do something with these welding tanks!?! Aw well - sniff - Thanks George. Richard |
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Stuart Wheaton writes: Leo Lichtman wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote: And then? I'm trying to get rid of them... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just went back and re-read your original post. The lease on the new place you have rented does not allow storage of combustibles or explosives. Empty the acetylene tank. Oxygen is neither combustible or explosive. (You may have to argue with some people about it.) I'm a little vague on how this will help him sell an O/A rig he no longer needs. The guy has unneeded gear and wants money, this is not a tough problem guys. If I was closer I'd throw you an offer. BTW emptying an acetylene tank of Acetylene will leave you with a tank full of acetone...which is still highly flammable. Go back and read his original post. He seemed, at that point, to only be trying to get rid of the rig because of the terms of the lease (in which case, solutions that involved keeping the rig seemed preferable). It was only later that it came out he might just want to get rid of it anyway. My bad, guys. Sorry. No, I don't need them any more. Yes, the lease at the new house prohibits storage. No, they won't fit in the boat... Yes, I hope somebody can get some use of them. Richard |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:44:18 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes quickly quoth: cavelamb himself wrote: No, the rig works fine, but I'm moving into a rental house and noticed in the lease a clause prohibiting storage of flammable or explosive materials. Empty the tanks. Into his landlord's car? bseg - Metaphors Be With You - Well, that's one form of eviction... :) |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Stuart Wheaton writes: Leo Lichtman wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote: And then? I'm trying to get rid of them... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just went back and re-read your original post. The lease on the new place you have rented does not allow storage of combustibles or explosives. Empty the acetylene tank. Oxygen is neither combustible or explosive. (You may have to argue with some people about it.) I'm a little vague on how this will help him sell an O/A rig he no longer needs. The guy has unneeded gear and wants money, this is not a tough problem guys. If I was closer I'd throw you an offer. BTW emptying an acetylene tank of Acetylene will leave you with a tank full of acetone...which is still highly flammable. Go back and read his original post. He seemed, at that point, to only be trying to get rid of the rig because of the terms of the lease (in which case, solutions that involved keeping the rig seemed preferable). It was only later that it came out he might just want to get rid of it anyway. My bad, guys. Sorry. No, I don't need them any more. Yes, the lease at the new house prohibits storage. No, they won't fit in the boat... Yes, I hope somebody can get some use of them. Richard Allright already, I'm north of Dallas and I don't yet have an O/A setup (got TIG and plasma). What do you want for it? My budget is a bit dented of late due to SCUBA stuff... Pete C. |
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Pete C. wrote:
Allright already, I'm north of Dallas and I don't yet have an O/A setup (got TIG and plasma). What do you want for it? My budget is a bit dented of late due to SCUBA stuff... Pete C. Yea, Pete! Come on down and thanks you for playing! How 'bout a hunderd bucks - tanks, torch, tips, hoses, et al? Or trade for good U.S. Diver mask and fins? Size 11 !!! Well, it's a start? Richard |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
Pete C. wrote: Allright already, I'm north of Dallas and I don't yet have an O/A setup (got TIG and plasma). What do you want for it? My budget is a bit dented of late due to SCUBA stuff... Pete C. Yea, Pete! Come on down and thanks you for playing! How 'bout a hunderd bucks - tanks, torch, tips, hoses, et al? Or trade for good U.S. Diver mask and fins? Size 11 !!! Well, it's a start? Richard Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Thanks, Pete C. |
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Pete C. wrote:
Done done it, Pete. I gotta get some fins and a mask. AND a good stiff brush. The bottom of the little boat is getting kinda green... We have a couple of local divers that do that kind of stuff. They may be crazy, but they aint stupid. Not at all, considering what they charge! Look forward to meeting you. Richard Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Thanks, Pete C. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:24 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote: Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Thanks, Pete C. Pete, thanks for saving me from myself. I did not need a fourth torch. Andy --Andy Asberry-- ------Texas----- |
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Andy Asberry wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:24 GMT, "Pete C." wrote: Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Thanks, Pete C. Pete, thanks for saving me from myself. I did not need a fourth torch. No problem :) Pete C. |
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Andy Asberry writes:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:24 GMT, "Pete C." wrote: Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Pete, thanks for saving me from myself. I did not need a fourth torch. Me too -- I don't own a torch, and I would have been trying to talk my brother in law in Dallas into storing it until somebody next passed through. Wait a minute, my son will be visiting his grandparents in Ft. Worth on his way home next month (he's currently a co-op at JSC in Houston)... hmmm, maybe it would have fit in the trunk of his Mustang (on its side, of course) along with all his worldly belongings.... just as well. *Really* just as well. |
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Andy Asberry writes: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:24 GMT, "Pete C." wrote: Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Pete, thanks for saving me from myself. I did not need a fourth torch. Me too -- I don't own a torch, and I would have been trying to talk my brother in law in Dallas into storing it until somebody next passed through. Wait a minute, my son will be visiting his grandparents in Ft. Worth on his way home next month (he's currently a co-op at JSC in Houston)... hmmm, maybe it would have fit in the trunk of his Mustang (on its side, of course) along with all his worldly belongings.... just as well. *Really* just as well. OOOoooo.... That brings an ugly thought to mind. Pete, do you have a way to transport the tanks safely. I have laid them down on side before, but got properly rear reamed afterwords. Along with a scary explination of the hazzards involved. I don't want to screw up the deal, but Im sure you don't want to blow up your car, either! Richard |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:34:26 GMT, cavelamb himself
wrote: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: OOOoooo.... That brings an ugly thought to mind. Pete, do you have a way to transport the tanks safely. I have laid them down on side before, but got properly rear reamed afterwords. Along with a scary explination of the hazzards involved. I don't want to screw up the deal, but Im sure you don't want to blow up your car, either! In a perfect world the cylinders are always transported vertically in an open stake-bed truck with lots of tie-downs - but life is rarely perfect, so you do the best you can with what you've got. The important part is to take the regulators off, put the safety caps on the cylinders (if they have the threaded collars), and secure them very tightly with multiple straps so they can't shift or slide. The acetylene really should be upright at all times, but if you can't you can't - if transported horizontally let it sit upright overnight before trying to use it. And if you have to transport them in a car trunk leave the trunk lid wedged open several inches so there's plenty of air circulation and the tanks stay cool - Wedge a large cardboard box in the trunk lid gap and secure the lid down with a motorcycle strap. Park in the shade. And sniff test around the trunk every time before you start driving - Leaking acetylene smells faintly of almonds. The Lower Explosive Limit on acetylene is something like 4% in air, meaning little leaks can have big consequences. The taillight circuit is enough. If you think there my be a leak, get away from the car and call in the Fire Dept. to check. Better safe then six feet under. -- Bruce -- |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Andy Asberry writes: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:24 GMT, "Pete C." wrote: Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Pete, thanks for saving me from myself. I did not need a fourth torch. Me too -- I don't own a torch, and I would have been trying to talk my brother in law in Dallas into storing it until somebody next passed through. Wait a minute, my son will be visiting his grandparents in Ft. Worth on his way home next month (he's currently a co-op at JSC in Houston)... hmmm, maybe it would have fit in the trunk of his Mustang (on its side, of course) along with all his worldly belongings.... just as well. *Really* just as well. OOOoooo.... That brings an ugly thought to mind. Pete, do you have a way to transport the tanks safely. I have laid them down on side before, but got properly rear reamed afterwords. Along with a scary explination of the hazzards involved. I don't want to screw up the deal, but Im sure you don't want to blow up your car, either! Richard As far as I know, horizontal is perfectly fine if the cylinders are properly capped and secured, and the acetylene cylinder is allowed to sit vertical for at least a few hours or overnight to allow the acetone to settle back down (rather like the compressor oil in a refrigerator). At any rate I've got a 1T pickup to put them in, just no ladder rack to secure them vertical. Pete C. |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:
The Lower Explosive Limit on acetylene is something like 4% in air, meaning little leaks can have big consequences. The taillight circuit is enough. If you think there my be a leak, get away from the car and call in the Fire Dept. to check. Better safe then six feet under. -- Bruce -- The MSDS indicates a lower flammable limit of 2.5% (upper 82%). Pete C. |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ... "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote: The Lower Explosive Limit on acetylene is something like 4% in air, meaning little leaks can have big consequences. The taillight circuit is enough. If you think there my be a leak, get away from the car and call in the Fire Dept. to check. Better safe then six feet under. -- Bruce -- The MSDS indicates a lower flammable limit of 2.5% (upper 82%). Pete, he said "explosive limit". There is a difference. Like acetone, acetylene has an extremely wide range of flammability in air. Basically, there is no safe amount. If you can smell it, fear it. LLoyd |
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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in message ... "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote: The Lower Explosive Limit on acetylene is something like 4% in air, meaning little leaks can have big consequences. The taillight circuit is enough. If you think there my be a leak, get away from the car and call in the Fire Dept. to check. Better safe then six feet under. -- Bruce -- The MSDS indicates a lower flammable limit of 2.5% (upper 82%). Pete, he said "explosive limit". There is a difference. Like acetone, acetylene has an extremely wide range of flammability in air. Basically, there is no safe amount. If you can smell it, fear it. LLoyd The MSDS didn't include a LEL, only LFL. Pete C. |
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Pete C. wrote:
cavelamb himself wrote: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Andy Asberry writes: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:24 GMT, "Pete C." wrote: Allrighty, sold. I'm afraid I don't have any SCUBA gear to trade, I just started SCUBA in January so I haven't built up a gear surplus yet. I also use size 10. I'll be down in the Dallas area on Wednesday afternoon. Send me an email (remove .DOH.) to coordinate. Pete, thanks for saving me from myself. I did not need a fourth torch. Me too -- I don't own a torch, and I would have been trying to talk my brother in law in Dallas into storing it until somebody next passed through. Wait a minute, my son will be visiting his grandparents in Ft. Worth on his way home next month (he's currently a co-op at JSC in Houston)... hmmm, maybe it would have fit in the trunk of his Mustang (on its side, of course) along with all his worldly belongings.... just as well. *Really* just as well. OOOoooo.... That brings an ugly thought to mind. Pete, do you have a way to transport the tanks safely. I have laid them down on side before, but got properly rear reamed afterwords. Along with a scary explination of the hazzards involved. I don't want to screw up the deal, but Im sure you don't want to blow up your car, either! Richard As far as I know, horizontal is perfectly fine if the cylinders are properly capped and secured, and the acetylene cylinder is allowed to sit vertical for at least a few hours or overnight to allow the acetone to settle back down (rather like the compressor oil in a refrigerator). At any rate I've got a 1T pickup to put them in, just no ladder rack to secure them vertical. Pete C. Very well. Just wanted to make sure. The tanks are aleady capped. Richard |
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"Pete C." wrote:
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: "Pete C." wrote... "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote: The Lower Explosive Limit on acetylene is something like 4% in air, meaning little leaks can have big consequences. The taillight circuit is enough. If you think there my be a leak, get away from the car and call in the Fire Dept. to check. Better safe then six feet under. The MSDS indicates a lower flammable limit of 2.5% (upper 82%). Pete, he said "explosive limit". There is a difference. Like acetone, acetylene has an extremely wide range of flammability in air. Basically, there is no safe amount. If you can smell it, fear it. The MSDS didn't include a LEL, only LFL. 2.5%, 4%, explosive limit, flammable limit, Whatever - My original point being (and it still remains) that it doesn't take much at all to make really bad things happen. A little leak, one little spark... And in light of that, a little healthy paranoia goes a long way in keeping you healthy. Treat it like it could go BOOM! precisely because it *can* go BOOM! if you don't follow the rules. -- Bruce -- |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:
"Pete C." wrote: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: "Pete C." wrote... "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote: The Lower Explosive Limit on acetylene is something like 4% in air, meaning little leaks can have big consequences. The taillight circuit is enough. If you think there my be a leak, get away from the car and call in the Fire Dept. to check. Better safe then six feet under. The MSDS indicates a lower flammable limit of 2.5% (upper 82%). Pete, he said "explosive limit". There is a difference. Like acetone, acetylene has an extremely wide range of flammability in air. Basically, there is no safe amount. If you can smell it, fear it. The MSDS didn't include a LEL, only LFL. 2.5%, 4%, explosive limit, flammable limit, Whatever - My original point being (and it still remains) that it doesn't take much at all to make really bad things happen. A little leak, one little spark... And in light of that, a little healthy paranoia goes a long way in keeping you healthy. Treat it like it could go BOOM! precisely because it *can* go BOOM! if you don't follow the rules. -- Bruce -- Yep, I'm always paranoid, that's why I can spend a day working alone in the woods with a chain saw and a backhoe and no cell coverage and live to talk about it. My shop is also a separate building 80' from the house. Pete C. |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
2.5%, 4%, explosive limit, flammable limit, Whatever - My original point being (and it still remains) that it doesn't take much at all to make really bad things happen. A little leak, one little spark... And in light of that, a little healthy paranoia goes a long way in keeping you healthy. Treat it like it could go BOOM! precisely because it *can* go BOOM! if you don't follow the rules. -- Bruce -- You know, that's one of the most useful things I've picked up from this newsgroup. The (very) healthy attitude to ask myself, "how is this thing going to try to hurt me this time". Richard |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:02:48 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote: Yep, I'm always paranoid, that's why I can spend a day working alone in the woods with a chain saw and a backhoe and no cell coverage and live to talk about it. My shop is also a separate building 80' from the house. Pete C. SWMBO has a cell phone for emergency use. Once the original contract ran out, I switched to "pay and talk" @ $10.00/ month. Her current balance is over $300.00 (15+ hours local call time) after yearly deduction of $40.00 for emergency road service which we carry for other vehicles - ours is already covered. OTOH second son maintains five cell phones - himself, current wife, two step children (one living 3000 miles away) and step daughter's ex BF. When his vehicle dies he calls dad to use mothers cell phone for rescue. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
ON topic (wow!) OA Welding tank problem
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:47:35 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote: As far as I know, horizontal is perfectly fine if the cylinders are properly capped and secured, and the acetylene cylinder is allowed to sit vertical for at least a few hours or overnight to allow the acetone to settle back down (rather like the compressor oil in a refrigerator). At any rate I've got a 1T pickup to put them in, just no ladder rack to secure them vertical. You don't need a full ladder rack - just trim a chunk of 2X4 to fit snugly in the stake pocket, and strap them to that. Done. Or make a simple "Goalpost" rack with two 2X4 uprights in the front pockets, one 2X6 cross-bar across the back window, and a few carriage bolts to put it together. Might need to put a few D-rings or "Footman's Loops" in the side corners of the bed for a second strap, so the bottom of the cylinders can't kick out and slide out from under the top strap. If these are the 5' or 6' tall full-size cylinders, secure with three straps - one at the top around the stake, one at the top of the bed, and one about 6" up from the floor of the bed. Myself, I'm tempted to go get some Aeroquip Track for the commercial cargo straps and stick in full lengths all the way around (low and high) inside the bed. The utility bed already has a ventilated compartment sized for a B and 50CF set, but I might need to transport spares for a bigger job, or a set of "real" bottles. ;-) -- Bruce -- |
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