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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote: In article , Strabo wrote: Actually Tim, he's already paid for it. The VA was part of the monetary package back when he was paid about $60 a month. You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000 bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran up? Even for the case of Gunner himself, being a veteran is not a ticket to lifetime medical care. I'm surprised anyone thinks it is. VA hospitals are generally for service-related conditions. Here's one online summary of the requirements for ca " Compensation for service-connected disabilities is payable to veterans who have suffered an injury or illness which occurred or was made worse during military service. A claim for compensation may be established by evidence showing that an injury or illness arose or became worse during service and that the veteran currently suffers from that difficulty. " The amount of compensation paid depends on how severe the medical problem is. Severity can vary from 10 percent to 100 percent disability. Benefits range up to a certain amount each month, with additional payments for certain severe disabilities. The rate of compensation may change as the severity of injury or illness changes. Also, permanently and totally disabled veterans without income may qualify for a non-service connected disability pension if they served at least 90 days on active duty with one day during a period of war. " http://www.chicagobar.org/public/diallaw/20.asp --Tim May Since no one has set you straight on this, I will try. It is obvious you don't know how the VA defines compensation. Compensation is NOT reimbursement for medical expenses. Compensation is NOT payment for physical disabilities that limit earning abilities. Think of compensation as payment for pain and suffering. I may be fully employed but unable to use a standard telephone or enjoy a movie out because of hearing loss due to mine, mortar or some other cause. I may be fully employed but suffer recurring nightmares or anxiety attacks associated with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. I may be fully employed but racked with phantom pains brought on by nerve damage due to exposure to Agent Orange. I may be fully employed but 100% of my children are born with Spina Bifida; a result of my Agent Orange exposure. Generally speaking, compensation is for injuries or conditions that cannot be repaired by medical professionals. |
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I just got out of the hospital Saturday. Last few months, my left
shoulder has been a problem. Can't sleep on it, just aches for no reason. Pressure inside the shoulder blade helped. Ageing is terrible and I figured "arthur-itus", rotator cuff or something. Last few days, anything arobic would cause chest "pressure". The doc said that wasn't critical yet but we started looking into it. A problem would be if I had that "pressure" feeling at rest. That was Monday. Thursday night, that "pressure" woke me up at midnight. A long night in ER later, checked in for testing and an angiogram Friday afternoon. They found 1 99% blockage in one major heart vessel (I didn't get the one). A 5mm stent (not used often so the 5 isn't manufactured with the chemical coating) later and all is fine. The shoulder pain has also gone. I just I just missed the message for a while. Any odd pain should be checked, I guess. The doctor was telling me about one fellow that had a toothache and the dentist told him there was no problem with the tooth. The hospital told him about his heart attack! Be careful, friends, with those oddities in aches and pains. I was VERY lucky. Respectfully, Ron Moore BTW, gald to hear your back with it, Gunner. I am sorry to read all the trash that has been in response to the thread. When one takes a stand, especially a logical stand, the other side can only be illogical or throw trash. Keep on keepin' on. Gunner wrote: For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks. Im very touched by the concern of everyone. Its good to know Im either well liked, or for those who dont, they didnt want a thread opponent to disappear G A bit of an explaination of what very unexpectedly happened to "good ol hard as a rock Gunner". (ouch..sigh) BIG SNIP Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On 20 Jun 2004 16:18:11 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... When doing this, is the shooter allowed to start running away from the knife-wielder while drawing his weapon? GOOD MAN!... Thats the key...run backwards just as fast as you can and keep removing your weapon from the holster. Most Tueller drill participants at first simply stand there like a stone. I dunno, if somebody was chasing me with a knife I might just keep right on running as long as there was some runway. Jim A loud scream, a wave of a knife..and you may find yourself rooted to the ground. It often happens that way, particularly with those who are more "civilized" than others. Most folks simply dont go into fight or flight mode..but stand there incredulous and the mental gear change from "huh..what the ****??? to RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" takes precious time. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:08:51 GMT, Strabo wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:53:15 GMT, Sue wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:22:30 -0700, Tim May wrote: Sue wrote: I live pretty close to Mr. May. I don't know if he's important enough to have his obit in the SF Chronicle, but I keep reading and I keep hoping. We'll see whose obit appears first. You subscribe to the Los Banos Enterprise? I'm a tad older than you and for now I smoke so you will most likely outlive me. However, fat related illnesses are catching up to smoking related illnesses. But, I'm glad for you that Gunner has now fully left the libertarian/freedom orbit and is firmly ensconced in the welfare/socialist/gimmiecrat orbit. Perhaps you can help him with the paperwork for Kern County and for Sacramento to get his ******* son more bennies, that son's girlfriend more bennies, his ex-wife (or is she his wife again?) more bennies, and the whole trailer trash set more Section 8/AFDC/WIC. I'm sure that whatever needs to be done he will see to it on his own. I have enough clients of my own, thanks. At least we can never again listen to Gunner expounding his Heinleinesque cant without bursting into laughter. Just like you ceased make snide remarks about fat women when your picture was posted? Snicker. I still laugh about that. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to resurrect it. Sue - evidently no longer in the illustrious Mr. May's killfile - aren't I lucky? Your obsession with TM isn't healthy either, Sue. Obsession isn't quite the right word. I go days without giving Mr. May a thought and don't even read all of his posts. But whatever low degree of what you call an obsession is fun and I enjoy it. For a good long time he seemed to enjoy calling me a nitwit (which I never disputed), telling me I needed killing and accusing me of having a fat ass (which I *do* dispute). Turnabout is fair play. But, thanks for your concern. Sue |
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Nice to see that a near death experience hasn't stopped you from being a
blustering asshole. -- Remove "nospam" for e-mail "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:03:48 -0400, Bob Brock wrote: Seems like I hit a nerve. I love watchin you twitch. Nah, you hit a nerve when I found someone after my wife died and you made your smart assed comments about it when I found someone else. ????????? Sure it was me? Thats something to celibrate, not hammer somone for. Congrats on your new partner. Ive been living with the potential death of my wife since 2000. Rough. You are worthless as a survivalist. Hell, you can't survive in the normal world without intervention and the government tit. Yawn. You know where I live. Wanna prove your claim? I like watching you twitch too, so perhaps the government subsidy was worth it in entertainment value. What ever works for you. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:52:46 GMT, Strabo wrote:
Neocon - literally a 'new conservative'; a self-styled "new type" of conservative; a restructured Republican in the style of Newt Gingrich from the days of the "republican revolution". Neocons: - believe in a powerful federal government; - believe the ends justify the means; - believe in preemptive war and the naked use of military force to achieve any desired ends; - believe certain facts should be known only by a political and military elite, and withheld from the general public; - openly endorse the idea of an American empire, and hence unapologetically call for imperialism; - are very willing to use force to impose American ideals; - scoff at the Founding Fathers' belief in neutrality in foreign affairs; - believe 9/11 resulted from a lack of foreign entanglement; - are willing to redraw the map of the Middle East by force, while unconditionally supporting Israel and the Likud Party; - view civil liberties as unnecessary restrictions on the federal government; - despise libertarians and liberals and dismiss any arguement based on constitutional grounds; This description is based upon my observations, the writings of congressman Ron Paul and of course from the writings of the neocons. Oddly enough..with only a couple deviations, this sounds like your run of the mill extremist Liberal. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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-- Remove "nospam" for e-mail "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:24:11 -0700, Tim May wrote: If I find you on or near my property, I'll shoot first, without any polite warnings, because of your threats here and earlier. And these postings, here, will establish what your intentions were with your "decide to make you a hobby" threats. --Tim May Tim old lard ass..I notice the word "if" used as a conditional statement. What makes you think there would be an "if"? Think hard amigo... As to threats...what threats were those? Threats of violence? Cites? Shucks Tubby, I may want to start up the California Chapter of the Tim May Fan Club. Goofer, you ****ing chicken**** prick! And YOU accused ME of using weasel words! You keep on taking those prescription drugs and dreaming of your glory daze. They're long gone, like your decency, honor or integrity. |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:17:55 GMT, Ron Moore
wrote: I just got out of the hospital Saturday. Last few months, my left shoulder has been a problem. Can't sleep on it, just aches for no reason. Pressure inside the shoulder blade helped. Ageing is terrible and I figured "arthur-itus", rotator cuff or something. Last few days, anything arobic would cause chest "pressure". The doc said that wasn't critical yet but we started looking into it. A problem would be if I had that "pressure" feeling at rest. That was Monday. Thursday night, that "pressure" woke me up at midnight. A long night in ER later, checked in for testing and an angiogram Friday afternoon. They found 1 99% blockage in one major heart vessel (I didn't get the one). A 5mm stent (not used often so the 5 isn't manufactured with the chemical coating) later and all is fine. The shoulder pain has also gone. I just I just missed the message for a while. Any odd pain should be checked, I guess. The doctor was telling me about one fellow that had a toothache and the dentist told him there was no problem with the tooth. The hospital told him about his heart attack! Be careful, friends, with those oddities in aches and pains. I was VERY lucky. Respectfully, Ron Moore BTW, gald to hear your back with it, Gunner. I am sorry to read all the trash that has been in response to the thread. When one takes a stand, especially a logical stand, the other side can only be illogical or throw trash. Keep on keepin' on. And best wishes to you and a good recovery as well. Gunner Gunner wrote: For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks. Im very touched by the concern of everyone. Its good to know Im either well liked, or for those who dont, they didnt want a thread opponent to disappear G A bit of an explaination of what very unexpectedly happened to "good ol hard as a rock Gunner". (ouch..sigh) BIG SNIP Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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Santa Cruz Mike wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May wrote: removed vile spew (rest not included...too depressing, even for me) So Gunner has had some problems and heartache... so gunner showed compassion to a woman who was thoughtless, screwed up and out of controll.. so Gunner showed kindness to some ******* kid that you would have aborted and flushed down the toilet... So Gunner made some bad decisions.... or did he? Has Tim May ever made bad decision, showed compassion or done anything for anyone who didn't deserve it? Every helped someone who didn't deserve help Tim.. Every throw a quarter to some homeless girl or guy on the street...? Ever pick up a stray dog and take it in...? Ever done anything but kiss your own big fat ass?? If you wait long enough.. old Gunner will go down again.. then you can dredge up all the stupid things he has done.. remind everybody how screwed up his life has been..all the mistakes he has made... but always include showing compassion to that litle kid.. that you would have flushed down the toilet...a nd that woman who came to him out of desperation... and Gunner helped... Lets see.. in a tight spot.. screw up.. lost.. helpless...?? I had rather know a guy like Gunner over a Tim May.. any day Mike The Lord created all things. Then on His day of rest, from the mouth of an ass he made Tim May. And He sent Tim out of the Garden saying: Go forth and prove your hardness and depravity with many words and much noise. Got that right, Mike. mike |
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michael wrote:
Santa Cruz Mike wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May wrote: removed vile spew why is it "vile spew" when Tim says it but God's Own Words when Mark says it ? The message is exactly the same. Mark has a cuter butt ? just wondering ..... |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:50:51 GMT, "Mysterion"
wrote: -- Remove "nospam" for e-mail "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:24:11 -0700, Tim May wrote: If I find you on or near my property, I'll shoot first, without any polite warnings, because of your threats here and earlier. And these postings, here, will establish what your intentions were with your "decide to make you a hobby" threats. --Tim May Tim old lard ass..I notice the word "if" used as a conditional statement. What makes you think there would be an "if"? Think hard amigo... As to threats...what threats were those? Threats of violence? Cites? Shucks Tubby, I may want to start up the California Chapter of the Tim May Fan Club. Goofer, you ****ing chicken**** prick! And YOU accused ME of using weasel words! You keep on taking those prescription drugs and dreaming of your glory daze. They're long gone, like your decency, honor or integrity. What's wrong, Mysty one? Did that Jewish bar tender kick your ass out to the curb early again? Strider |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:25:38 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:36:26 GMT, wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: An interesting side note..to close the hole in the femorial artery they made..they clamp it closed and you down to the table with this big assed C clamp for an hour or so, then clamp your leg down for the next 10 hours so the artery doesnt blow out Told you so ;-) Glad you're back anyway (and did you get to keep the clamp? No darn it..and believe it or not..I was too screwed up to ask where the junk pile was...sigh.. Morphine junkies are like that. Yeah they are. ;) So call 'em back (once you're all better) and ask now that you know some of their names. You've got an "in" now, son. Use it! -- STOP THE SLAUGHTER! || http://diversify.com Boycott Baby Oil! || Programmed Websites |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner wrote:
I don't post as much as I would like, but I read a lot of what's posted here... CONGRATULATIONS ON THE LIVING THING, GUNNER!!!!!! (Most People don't appreciate it enough on a daily basis) Very Big Grin Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I have quit 14 times before...sigh... Quick story and then I'll get back to looking forward to all your wrong opinions.... :-) My father tried to quit smoking for years when I was a kid, never quite succeeding.... One day we were out with my nieghbor up in the woods cutting firewood and they made a $100 bet... the one who quit smoking first won the cash. The next weekend my father died in his sleep from a heart attack; I was 14 at the time. At the wake I half jokingly said to my neighbor that it looks like my dad won the bet. The next day he gave my mother a hundred bucks and never smoked again. Good luck with the new and improved lifestyle!!!!! (it's just too bad you're not about to change your politics too.) hehehe Welcome back, James, Seattle |
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-- Remove "nospam" for e-mail "Strider" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:50:51 GMT, "Mysterion" wrote: -- Remove "nospam" for e-mail "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:24:11 -0700, Tim May wrote: If I find you on or near my property, I'll shoot first, without any polite warnings, because of your threats here and earlier. And these postings, here, will establish what your intentions were with your "decide to make you a hobby" threats. --Tim May Tim old lard ass..I notice the word "if" used as a conditional statement. What makes you think there would be an "if"? Think hard amigo... As to threats...what threats were those? Threats of violence? Cites? Shucks Tubby, I may want to start up the California Chapter of the Tim May Fan Club. Goofer, you ****ing chicken**** prick! And YOU accused ME of using weasel words! You keep on taking those prescription drugs and dreaming of your glory daze. They're long gone, like your decency, honor or integrity. What's wrong, Mysty one? I despise hypocrites, dupe. Did that Jewish bar tender kick your ass out to the curb early again? My bartender is Polish and knows jews firsthand. Nice attempt at character assassination though. Been taking lessons? |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:59:37 -0400, "Richard A. Faust"
wrote: Tim May wrote: You and your fellow socialists, whom Gunner used to so strongly criticize, need to be sent up the chimneys for stealing so much of our money and then excusing it with the typical socialist cant about "looking after good people." That's the way our government works. If things are not the way you like, then you need to do something about it. Picking on someone down on their luck won't change this situation; it only makes you look like the bad guy. Why not simply, by your logic, socialize all health care, food distribution, and transportation? After all, someone might be "down on their luck" (translation: didn't save, didn't invest, didn't find a well-paying job, smoked, etc.) and need help because "none of us is an island." Our government is heading in that direction, at least in regard to health care. Many hard working folks are finding it tough to make ends meet these days. Many companies are dropping health care altogether or charging workers premiums that take back a large portion of their wage. The cost of health care has been increasing exponentially for the past several years. Soon the only hope for most people in the U.S. will be a national health care program. Your translation that people did not save, did not invest, did not find a well-paying job is rather simplistic. I find it interesting that Bush is raving about all the NEW JOBS, even though the vast majority of those are low-paying service jobs. A full time McDonald's worker makes $20k a year and no health benifits... THESE are the jobs that are on the increase. The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just lazy. Of course, the "haves" are wrong. James, Seattle |
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The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough
money and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just lazy. Of course, the "haves" are wrong. James, Seattle An individuals plight in life is generaly the result of thier own decisions. Even a poor kid from arkansas can become president of the united states, turns out he just wasn't a slacker. Best Regards Tom. |
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Strabo wrote:
Just setting a simple leg fracture costs $2000. In 1960 this same procedure cost about $150. In 1960 a nice house in Marin County cost $19,000. Today the same home sells for over $800,000. So your simple leg fracture is a bargain. All that would be necessary to cause today's prices to plumment would be government's absence. Either that, or possibly medical costs would fall into line with real estate costs and your $ 150 fracture would now cost $ 6,300.00 Comparisons with costs of forty years ago is not a very valid way to make sensible claims cf "government's" role in society or cost structures. |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:09:15 GMT, Strabo wrote:
Prior to the the 1960s when the federal government completed its insidious control of everything medical, Americans could afford medical care, *out of pocket*. Just setting a simple leg fracture costs $2000. In 1960 this same procedure cost about $150. All that would be necessary to cause today's prices to plumment would be government's absence. You're forgetting to factor in inflation. $150 in 1960 is roughly equal to $1500 today. So unless you can greatly reduce the money supply, just getting government out of medicine won't achieve a return to 1960 prices. Gary |
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In article , Spehro Pefhany says...
Think how lucky we are to have been born in the richest part of the world and not to be the 15th son of some mud farmer in Bangladesh- virtually a sentence to a short nasty lifetime of back-breaking labor. Just imagine what a person could do, if his father happened to have been *president* of the united states. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:31:12 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Please post whatever cites you have on the wife thing. I may indeed insult your personality, your lack of wit, your sexual deviencey..but I never attack family. Uh, yeah, you do: Message-ID: [snip] Yup, Im Mark Wieber, your old lady dont think Im impotent..at least not after the second go round, Nah, you're not her type: she doesn't like greasy white trash. Sure she does. All three openings. At the same time. I don't hold any hard feelings (heck, I wished you good luck on your health issue a few days ago), but either you were mistaken or you lied about this. |
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hamei wrote:
michael wrote: Santa Cruz Mike wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May wrote: removed vile spew why is it "vile spew" when Tim says it but God's Own Words when Mark says it ? The message is exactly the same. Mark has a cuter butt ? just wondering ..... Do the research and draw your own conclusion. I have an asshole and an opinion. Likely, you have those things, also. m |
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Just 3 weeks ago I woke up sore and weak in the morning, by noon I couldn't
turn my head, by 4:00 If I did a flight of stairs I was dizzy and breathing hard and had a 103 temp. Went to the hospital and was found to have limes, took the antibody and now feel better than I have in the past 2 months. Little tiny tick is all it took. Not much like your problems but was very scary as I looked at my 2 year old and couldn't walk out to get the mail because I was out of breath from picking here up feed her. |
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In article , hamei
wrote: Richard Johnson wrote: Well, Timmy boy. He has paid for it in taxes, as have you. He may be against the concept, and principle, but being forced into that system, and paying for the years he has paid for it, he has the right to get value for the money that was taken from him. As do you and as do I. If the system allowed him to opt out, and he failed to put the $$ away for this eventuality, then you would be correct. As it is the only opt out is via suicide. He has paid for it all these years, he should get the benefit of that payment. So, you are full of ...it. How much does one pay in taxes with an annual income of $20,000 ? Sure sounds like "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" to me. Yep, just so. The federal income tax on an income of $20K, with one dependent (could be more if his adult son is considered a dependent, with no income of his own, and could include the wife of the son, plus their new kid, so the total number of dependents could be 4), and with mortgage interest and business expense deductions (Gunner has said his expenses nearly equal his income, so...), is very, very, very low. Certainly under $1000. I've paid out $80,000 in taxes in some years. (Including on assets I bought 25 years ago, for which I'm largely paying taxes on inflation gains, that is, not real gains at all. Sort of like having a banknote getting some zeroes added to it, and then being told by government that the "gain" is taxable.) And yet I have never taken a dime from the county agencies. Nor will I qualify to have a $400,000 medical bill "picked up by the taxpayers." In Gunner's social democrat world, he not only pays very little in taxes, he also gets the largesse of socialism. "From each according to his abillity, to each according to his need," except people with assets don't even get anything even when they are in need. Worse than socialism in some ways. A double whammy against achievement. No wonder inner city welfare types and rural white people are so often so similar. At this point, I don't suppose Mark should be bitching too much about socialized medicine. It would be ... ungrateful. It may be that his many years of ranting against socialism had to do with some kind of "cognitive dissonance" because he knew he was sucking off the government tit (his wife's $400,000 freebie treatment), but he couldn't rationalize it, so he ranted about Canucks and welfare mothers and thefts via taxation. --Tim May |
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than undergoing the other stuff..I
have quit 14 times before...sigh... My father in law was a heavy smoker, until he quit smoking 20 years ago. Never had a cigarette since. Quit when I was in the Army. I had only been smoking (1-1/2 packs daily). I qwanted to be on a rifle team. Practice days when I didn't smoke first my scores would be 10-15 oiubts higher than days when I smoked. Very Convincing...... Paul in AJ AZ |
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"Tim May" wrote in message ... In article , hamei wrote: Richard Johnson wrote: Well, Timmy boy. He has paid for it in taxes, as have you. He may be against the concept, and principle, but being forced into that system, and paying for the years he has paid for it, he has the right to get value for the money that was taken from him. As do you and as do I. If the system allowed him to opt out, and he failed to put the $$ away for this eventuality, then you would be correct. As it is the only opt out is via suicide. He has paid for it all these years, he should get the benefit of that payment. So, you are full of ...it. How much does one pay in taxes with an annual income of $20,000 ? Sure sounds like "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" to me. Yep, just so. The federal income tax on an income of $20K, with one dependent (could be more if his adult son is considered a dependent, with no income of his own, and could include the wife of the son, plus their new kid, so the total number of dependents could be 4), and with mortgage interest and business expense deductions (Gunner has said his expenses nearly equal his income, so...), is very, very, very low. Certainly under $1000. I've paid out $80,000 in taxes in some years. (Including on assets I bought 25 years ago, for which I'm largely paying taxes on inflation gains, that is, not real gains at all. Sort of like having a banknote getting some zeroes added to it, and then being told by government that the "gain" is taxable.) And yet I have never taken a dime from the county agencies. Nor will I qualify to have a $400,000 medical bill "picked up by the taxpayers." In Gunner's social democrat world, he not only pays very little in taxes, he also gets the largesse of socialism. "From each according to his abillity, to each according to his need," except people with assets don't even get anything even when they are in need. Worse than socialism in some ways. A double whammy against achievement. No wonder inner city welfare types and rural white people are so often so similar. At this point, I don't suppose Mark should be bitching too much about socialized medicine. It would be ... ungrateful. It may be that his many years of ranting against socialism had to do with some kind of "cognitive dissonance" because he knew he was sucking off the government tit (his wife's $400,000 freebie treatment), but he couldn't rationalize it, so he ranted about Canucks and welfare mothers and thefts via taxation. --Tim May Well, Tim, my Wife and I make around $200K per year between us. As wage earners, we pay plenty of taxes as well, my guess as a percentage more than you. (No business hide holes to protect our money.) I personally cheer Gunner on to use the system he and we are forced into by the elected officials. That does not mean I don't want a change, nor does it mean he doesn't want a change. As a Survivalist, you should use all the tools that are around to survive and thrive. There is no shame in doing so, nor does it make him a hypocrite. (The only thing that would do that is his vote. I would bet that he votes as he advocates.) I am not Libertarian, but Republican. Have been since Goldwater ran. (No, I could not vote, but I did stand and argue with Democrats in the Republican booth at the Del Mar Fair.) So I don't fit the NEO thing either. |
Gunner's own description of his life choices, from four years ago today
From some of the messages I got while I was gone the past day or so, some people think I am making the stuff up about Gunner's wife, or ex-wife, or live-in ex-wife, or whatever she is, and making stuff about his past life choiced which seem plainly destructive. Folks ought to read just precisely what Gunner said about his own bad choices. He not only let a woman walk all over him, in ways of Biblical insult proportions (bearing another man's child, partying while Gunner was expected to give up his job to babysit this other man's child, having money stolen, etc.), but his very "forgiveness" may have become part of the whole dysfunctional dynamic. A girlfriend of mine was a "L.M.F.C.C." (Licensed Marriage, Family, Child Counselor) and she said this is why limits must be set and upheld, and that showing "compassion" by being a doormat is often not compassionate at all, usually making things worse. But Gunner made his choices, including letting this ex-wife dictate the jobs he could get (by his own words), including taking her back in after repeated, chronic terrible behavior. I suspect her son's many medical conditions and ADD are related to the partying during pregnancy...it fits the syndrome. Most importantly, Gunner chose to wallow in self-pity, learned helplessness, remaining in an isolated part of the rural California even as he knew the jobs were elsewhere. While I am not a psychologist, it doesn't seem hard to see that his long drives to poorly-paying jobs were his "cross to bear," part of his martyrdom. For this, he has a certain amount of my sympathy. But when I read some of his writing several years ago (actually, the article below was posted exactly four years ago today), I basically could no longer take him seriously. No Heinlein character I ever read about, the model Gunner often seems to model himself after, would have let a woman like his ex-wife/wife/whatever walk all over him like this, let social conditions cause him to live in near-poverty in an out of the way part of the economy, and completely failed to have planned for the normal economic changes. While being a Heinleinesque or John Wayne-type character is not achievable by many, maybe by none, Gunner was about as far from either as one could imagine. And he did his ex-wife/wife/whatever and her son no favors by being such a doormat for so many years. Imposing limits, or showing someone the door, is often the most compassionate form of compassion. Imposing no limits, setting no rules, being exploited and spat upon, is not compassionate. That Gunner ranted for so many years about the evils of this kind of learned helplessness, failure to adjust, and bad social and economic choices is, frankly, poignant. A case study for the sociologists and psychologists, I guess. But I am not going to say he deserves to feed at the public trough for his many bad life and career choices. Our taxes are way too high, the role of government is already way too large, to give out free passes to the public tit for either Mark Wieber or Lavandawawanda X. Washington and their broods of dependents. We cannot pay for the lack of insurance, lack of savings, lack of planning of the tens of millions just in California who are now saying "it be their entitlement!" For some in this newgroup to say that Gunner's hitch in the military as a job when he was 17 or so is some entitlement for him to be supported and have his debts paid for is reprehensible. That doesn't even happen for 20-year vets. Not even for Medal of Honor winners. It doesn't. And for those who claim that the $400,000 in welfare medical care is some kind of "repayment of taxes paid," get real. (It sounds to me as though Gunner's wife barely worked at all, let alone ever paid a lot in taxes.) Not to mention the upcoming fees Gunner himself will have to find a way to repay. I don't envy him, but he made his life choices beginning at least as far back as 1976, when this tale starts.... Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups in the obvious way to find them.) (pardon the formatting...) From: Gunner ) Subject: Why buy a 7.62 x 39 caliber rifle? Newsgroups: misc.survivalism Date: 2000/06/21 Warning.. the below is quite long, disgusting, personally embarrassing, and a bit deranged. Read at your own risk. Springer Show scouts need not apply , unless the money is real good. On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:40:26 GMT, (Bob G) wrote: But ..... I have expectations. I'll forgive a LOT. I expect perfection from no one. But .., don't stand by me, don't cover my back .... you're history. I GIVE ... big time ... and I expect the same. Don't much care for excuses. I'm thinking yah ought to at least think about looking up the lady. Couldn't hurt. Last I heard, she has been living with a gent for the last 12 yrs, and has a daughter by him. I may inquire... but.. if you read below.. you will know why, I never have or ever will fish in another mans pond. Not saying yah should just abandon the last. That's up to you, don't know the feelings or history. But you at LEAST need to make something clear. She should make up her mind. Love her or not, yah still have expectations. Be your PARTNER or forget it. Let her know you're sorry if your not up to her expectations. But ... you have options. "Love yah, Honey, have a nice life ... bye !" Hummm lets get your take on this: 1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying, and meets new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she finds she is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is pregnant with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel rooms, booze and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather, I did) In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and asks to come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in the delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the father. snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no insurance) She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I find out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she explores her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting. She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends got tired of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of course, take her in. snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy, loss of kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance) Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to have a 5 month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his third marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He warns her off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen the errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me. Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job because she ****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too. Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling service tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday morning-Friday evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would take care of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could move to the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night. First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the books.. Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr old boy who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any responsibilities as she was. Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting his ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if wife was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the eyes and said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that we had not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the first year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in order, had not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts into the computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt afford to move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could maybe move in a few months or a year. Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She indicates there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there when I got back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be coming back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and guess what.. she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but seperated), with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away. A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that there was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige. The suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek counsling. And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for 3 days and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days in boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know. Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me, but doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in love with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants her clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from this date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed. I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son moves out with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No money, no job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance calls to North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full well they would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and the computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry for a full 30 months. Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of her clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends house, nights in Carls bed. Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible creditors. Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all insurance had been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months behind, power had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was required) Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew existed. Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid for 4 months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months.. lots more. Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one from wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency surgery. I rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault" later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity: wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to lots of machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear: "knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she looks me straight in the eyes. BING! During this day.... As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone, the entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im gratified that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great stupidity. by each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT surprised. Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but with unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her girlfriends home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying) May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with her boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own words in a 4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and starts to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery.. Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there. May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in with boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of his 9yr old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate weekends then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he had not visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then asked if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and hung up the phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the previous occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a long time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed. May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break into my truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe parts, tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw. I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown and start to loose it over the phone. Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a blurr. and I could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she left, to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage, depression, pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15 pounds because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles once. Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual friend. My first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school teacher, and around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live band, and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool) Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk. 2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out. 2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex husband has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into a car, and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh? So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one. Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I remove 13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too vile to keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year, start fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her clothing, or each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the doodads, all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a death in the family. The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I still wonder where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed went)(and she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then another litter would come ) then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting home.... not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and removed.. another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight. A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling of the funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them squared away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over the last couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the mess, then come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married guys know exactly what Im talking about. Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it sounds, and for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife with my heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im talking about. Love makes one stupid, and blind. I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of work in all those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the money.. ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying to make a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend my nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this from), eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to make sure my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for them. I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining, gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go back to L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again. Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years" and didnt pay her enough attention. Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat night, and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt fighting with her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her. I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much time playing with the machines" I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post times was generally long after she went to bed. She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad at me" Ah huh.... Well, she left because: 1. Her boyfriend became available 2. She was bored 3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every year 4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going. 5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she cannot admit to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were crowding her again. She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new friends, no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no baggage, to a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me. The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity.. (people are already tired of that... ) So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options here? Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend? What would you do? ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that before long, because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to put up with her **** for very long. That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately. InterestingTimes, as the curse says. Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all. My soul and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I am hiding something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email addys of both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I never touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not. Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the Booby Prize for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now consider me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason. Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for wanting a trophy woman.... lol... snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly boink buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock kicking, and the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without sex.. gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' . Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over sexed, lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind, warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the outdoors, likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of a fire place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black, brown, yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan. Pretty, or handsome, or homely, But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie. She must walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a self centered weak quitter. Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too high? Am I asking too much? Oh.. one last thing. She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all. Gunner "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." -Michael Shirley Google*Home - Advertising*Programs - Business*Solutions - About Google ©2004 Google |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:36:54 GMT, Duck Dog wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:31:12 GMT, Gunner wrote: Please post whatever cites you have on the wife thing. I may indeed insult your personality, your lack of wit, your sexual deviencey..but I never attack family. Uh, yeah, you do: Message-ID: [snip] Yup, Im Mark Wieber, your old lady dont think Im impotent..at least not after the second go round, Nah, you're not her type: she doesn't like greasy white trash. Sure she does. All three openings. At the same time. I don't hold any hard feelings (heck, I wished you good luck on your health issue a few days ago), but either you were mistaken or you lied about this. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
Gunner: I'm back
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:36:54 GMT, Duck Dog wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:31:12 GMT, Gunner wrote: Please post whatever cites you have on the wife thing. I may indeed insult your personality, your lack of wit, your sexual deviencey..but I never attack family. Uh, yeah, you do: Message-ID: [snip] Yup, Im Mark Wieber, your old lady dont think Im impotent..at least not after the second go round, Nah, you're not her type: she doesn't like greasy white trash. Sure she does. All three openings. At the same time. I don't hold any hard feelings (heck, I wished you good luck on your health issue a few days ago), but either you were mistaken or you lied about this. Was that directed to you? Ok, I was mistaken. Sorry. When I reach 2% of the bile spewed by Tubby Timmy regarding my family, in regards to anyones family..simply shoot me. I see farther up the line, he has continued the practice, so after I get done reading it in a few minutes..I may have to take up a new project. Btw, I dont have a clue if you are married or not, or have an old lady, so it was not directed at a known person. Just an insult during an argument. It has been kind of a shock though finding out Bob Brock was gay. Shrug Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:40:25 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Was there a reply here? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:36:54 GMT, Duck Dog wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:31:12 GMT, Gunner wrote: Please post whatever cites you have on the wife thing. I may indeed insult your personality, your lack of wit, your sexual deviencey..but I never attack family. Uh, yeah, you do: Message-ID: [snip] Yup, Im Mark Wieber, your old lady dont think Im impotent..at least not after the second go round, Nah, you're not her type: she doesn't like greasy white trash. Sure she does. All three openings. At the same time. I don't hold any hard feelings (heck, I wished you good luck on your health issue a few days ago), but either you were mistaken or you lied about this. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
Gunner: I'm back
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:59:37 -0400, "Richard A. Faust" wrote: Tim May wrote: You and your fellow socialists, whom Gunner used to so strongly criticize, need to be sent up the chimneys for stealing so much of our money and then excusing it with the typical socialist cant about "looking after good people." That's the way our government works. If things are not the way you like, then you need to do something about it. Picking on someone down on their luck won't change this situation; it only makes you look like the bad guy. Why not simply, by your logic, socialize all health care, food distribution, and transportation? After all, someone might be "down on their luck" (translation: didn't save, didn't invest, didn't find a well-paying job, smoked, etc.) and need help because "none of us is an island." Our government is heading in that direction, at least in regard to health care. Many hard working folks are finding it tough to make ends meet these days. Many companies are dropping health care altogether or charging workers premiums that take back a large portion of their wage. The cost of health care has been increasing exponentially for the past several years. Soon the only hope for most people in the U.S. will be a national health care program. Your translation that people did not save, did not invest, did not find a well-paying job is rather simplistic. I find it interesting that Bush is raving about all the NEW JOBS, even though the vast majority of those are low-paying service jobs. A full time McDonald's worker makes $20k a year and no health benifits... THESE are the jobs that are on the increase. Considering all the jobs that were lost during the last administration..isnt any job creation a good thing? What do we have...5.7% unemployment at the moment? Its unfortunate that so many of the "good jobs", like switchboard operator or buggy whip maker, or networking pro have all vanished, or have gone over seas. Ill bet you can sympatize with the Luddites or the Wobblies. The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just lazy. Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they executed when the COs were automated? Gunner Of course, the "haves" are wrong. James, Seattle That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
Gunner's own description of his life choices, from four years ago today
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:28:31 -0400, "Wayne" makowicki wrote:
Just 3 weeks ago I woke up sore and weak in the morning, by noon I couldn't turn my head, by 4:00 If I did a flight of stairs I was dizzy and breathing hard and had a 103 temp. Went to the hospital and was found to have limes, took the antibody and now feel better than I have in the past 2 months. Little tiny tick is all it took. Not much like your problems but was very scary as I looked at my 2 year old and couldn't walk out to get the mail because I was out of breath from picking here up feed her. Lyme disease can be a bad one, and is often not detected as its symptom mimic many others. I live in a high tick area, and have a number of pets (dusted regularly) and have been ridden by ticks a number of times (usually while working under a vehicle). Fortunately this part of the country is still largely Lyme free. In other parts of the US, its becomeing really an issue. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:44:15 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:36:54 GMT, Duck Dog wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:31:12 GMT, Gunner wrote: Please post whatever cites you have on the wife thing. I may indeed insult your personality, your lack of wit, your sexual deviencey..but I never attack family. Uh, yeah, you do: Message-ID: [snip] Yup, Im Mark Wieber, your old lady dont think Im impotent..at least not after the second go round, Nah, you're not her type: she doesn't like greasy white trash. Sure she does. All three openings. At the same time. I don't hold any hard feelings (heck, I wished you good luck on your health issue a few days ago), but either you were mistaken or you lied about this. Was that directed to you? Ok, I was mistaken. Sorry. Oh, I wasn't looking for an apology; just an acknowledgement by you that you do indeed go for the jugular with family insults. You admitted this, much to your credit. When I reach 2% of the bile spewed by Tubby Timmy regarding my family, in regards to anyones family..simply shoot me. I see farther up the line, he has continued the practice, so after I get done reading it in a few minutes..I may have to take up a new project. Btw, I dont have a clue if you are married or not, or have an old lady, so it was not directed at a known person. Just an insult during an argument. Hey, I was dishing it out too...;-) It has been kind of a shock though finding out Bob Brock was gay. Shrug Yeah, and Liberace...who could've seen that one? Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
Gunner's own description of his life choices, from four years ago today
In article , Tim May says...
Folks ought to read just precisely what Gunner said ... huge enormous snip Gunner said this, and gunner said that. I have the sneaky suspicion that nobody really cares about your editorial comments, not to mention the comments about 'he should do this, and he should do that.' Like I said, the quickest way to prove you have nothing to contribute to *any* discussion is by leading off with the statement "you know what _your_ problem is..." Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
Gunner's own description of his life choices, from four years ago today
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May
wrote: Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups in the obvious way to find them.) (pardon the formatting...) Seems that you have quite the bee under your bonnet. I guess your life is empty and you needed a hobby. I know I just found another one. Shiva, Tim May Fan Club President. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
Gunner's own description of his life choices, from four years ago today
"Tim May" wrote senseless drivel not worth reposting snipped Methinks you need to you need to smarten up a little. Find out where the delete and ignore functions are on your computer. Hell, get out into the garage and do a little metalworking. You think you are so perfect? That your life and beliefs are all that good? If all I had to do was sit around and make up the claptrap you come up with, I would shoot myself fatally within fifteen seconds. Steve |
Gunner's own description of his life choices, from four years ago today
In article , Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May wrote: Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups in the obvious way to find them.) (pardon the formatting...) Seems that you have quite the bee under your bonnet. I guess your life is empty and you needed a hobby. I know I just found another one. Keep making these kinds of threats. (Yes, I removed you from my killfiles. My attorney advised me to keep all of your posts in a folder and to print them out at intervals. She said your profile pretty much matches someone about to "go postal.") As for your last comment, about the jobs created during the Bush Admin partly making up for all of the jobs lost during the "last administration," you are quite wrong about this. While I don't credit Clinton with _creating_ the booming economy during the '93-'00 period, neither do I credit him with any lost jobs. More jobs, overall, were created during this economic boom than were lost. Since the tech bust in '00, which I also don't blame Bush for, the number of jobs created certainly has not been impressive, espeically for their skill and pay levels. As someone said, a lot of those jobs are greeters at Wal-Mart sorts of jobs. What's coming is going to make the tech bust look like a picnic. I was talking to an Indian designer yesterday who is involved with some of the new ultra-VLSI designs in Hyderabad. Impressive, for those who can exploit the programming challenges. But very bad news for anyone not at the cutting edge. And so it goes. --Tim May |
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