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Wait a minute, you self prescribed nitro, found it effective and didn't exceed all legal speed limits on the way to the hospital? Damn it, Gunner, you are insane. Insane? No. In denial? Yes. Sigh Very commmon. Hearing the stories (I have another close friend here, who went through a similar set of events) I vowed to treat any case of 'heartburn' and 'just not feeling very well' as grounds for concern. He also wound up with a stent but there had been some damage to the muscle. Cardiac rehab and a diet that includes about a gram of fat per day. "We grill a lot of vegatables..." he says. Interestingly enough he's also a modelmaker and gunsmith. I'm glad to hear you got away with no muscle damage. Now about that smoking.... Take it easy, watch out for yourself. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks. Im very touched by the concern of everyone. Its good to know Im either well liked, or for those who dont, they didnt want a thread opponent to disappear G A bit of an explaination of what very unexpectedly happened to "good ol hard as a rock Gunner". (ouch..sigh) Saturday last, I had gone to Bakersfield to pick up an Old Crystal Lake grinder for a gent, who is coming in from Salt Lake City to pick up in the next week or two. Getting it home in mid afternoon, (around 105F, 30% humitity) I unloaded it using the Armstrong Method and the few gadgets I have for moving Stuff around the back yard. This involved a lot of gut busting grunting and groaning, and I stopped to take a break. I noticed I was getting what felt like heart burn, and it was getting a bit hard to ignore..so took a big shot of Pepto Bismo. The pain went away. So I went back outside and kept on moving Stuff. Pain came back. Pepto didnt help. So thinking fast, I dropped a couple of my wife's nitro pills, and the pain went away. Cool. So thinks me..time to take it easy. And I did, all Sunday..just did minor bits and things. No problems all day. I got ready to go to LA Monday morning, and went to bed. At 5:30 am..my chest woke me up. Pepto didnt work. The first nitro did..for a short time. Then it came back. Worse. The second and third nitro slowed it down..for a short time..then it came back..really bad. Now while Im just a simple harmless fuzzball, I do have a high pain threshhold....and I was rapidly reaching the high end of it. The wife demanded we head to the hospital in Bakersfield (45 miles away), so I dropped 3 asprin, another nitro and off we went like a bat out of hell with her driving. By this time, I was bent over in the front seat, scared ****less, and praying hard that this was not a heart attack . I was a bit confused as I only had about 1/2 of the symptoms of a MI, but it was really hard to ignore that white hot chunk of 3" diameter CRS that the 500lb elf was trying to drive into my chest and out my back (and he was doing a really really good job of it). About half way there..the pain started to abate a fair amount...but I was still twitching bad.. Getting to the country hospital in Bakersfield, she dragged me into the ER..and plopped me down and got some help. First thing they did was give me an EKG. Hummmm no signs of a Heart Attack (MI) though it was giving wierd readings. Enough that they called a Code and got me into treatment. To cut through the bull**** of the next couple very painful and miserable days, much of which is mercifuly veiled with a drug filled fog.... My cloresteral was perfect My blood pressure was in the high normal range My blood enzemes were showing something was screwed up. My heart beat never got any higher than 66 beats per minute (more on this later) The periodic returns of the pain was stopped by nitro and morphine. Lots of nitro, and lots of morphine. Ill blow up a **** test for the next year...G Damned shame Ive become allergic to Demeral....morphine only works so so with me..shug I had a text book worst case example of Unstable Angina.... While knowing what it is..there isnt much comfort knowing the name of that 500lb elf with the white hot spear in your chest... They ran a bunch of tests, chest x-rays (nothing wrong showing, other than a slight possible enlargement of the heart) and Wed they decided to give me a angiogram. This is where they strip you naked, shave all the hair off your balls and groin, and hack into your right femoral artery, then run a teeny wienie hollow tube all the way up into your chest and inject dye into your heart , all the while watching the process under a xray sort of machine, all on real time video (and saved to CD). Bingo! My right coronary aorta http://www.pediheart.org/practitione...y/arteries.htm was 95% plugged off, another one (cant remember ALL the names) was 50% plugged off, and 5 more on the left side of my heart were up to 50% plugged for a grand total of 7 blockages. Keep in mind..that my colesteral levels were absolutely perfect and all the tests showed the heart itself was perfect (though beating slowly) and my BP was in the high normal/low High range. My blockages were, in effect worse than my wifes blockages. Big difference..Id managed to avoid a heart attack with the nitro and asprins and there was no heart damage. (whew.....prayer? Knowing what to do because Im a survivalist? Damned good luck? Shrug) An interesting side note..to close the hole in the femorial artery they made..they clamp it closed and you down to the table with this big assed C clamp for an hour or so, then clamp your leg down for the next 10 hours so the artery doesnt blow out and you bleed to death in a couple minutes in your bed. Its actually better than it sounds..morphine..lots of morphine.... The next day, Thursday, they moved me to another hospital, one specializing in this sort of problem and did a ballon cathederization and installed a stent in the big artery. This will keep the artery from going bad again. The specialists say the other areas will sort themselves out if I stay on their pill and eats program and I was damned lucky that I was in excellent health otherwise and had avoided the heart attack. (.200 stent, expanded to .375 at 40psi, if my reading the report upside down was correct. Stent is a new style, treated with a baked on anti-plaque chemical that is supposed to prevent any new yuckies from building up in that area. I got the owners manual and warranty for that puppy! G) http://www.taxus-stent.com/ Here is what an angioplasty is all about http://www.cardiologychannel.com/ang...y/stents.shtml Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I have quit 14 times before...sigh... The upshot of this whole thing is..I will be ok in a few weeks at most,, and probably in better shape than in the last couple years or longer. Ive noticed a distinct tendency over the last couple years to not be as active as I was before..due to "running out of steam". I wrote off a lot of this as simply ageing. I also noticed that Id get wierd feelings now and then from the right center of my chest..kind of a tickle, over the last couple years..also writing them off to aging. Big mistake, which fortunately I was lucky to be able to recover from. The only other problem that Ive got and it may be genetic (my mom had this later in life) is that my heart never speeds up much past 60-70 beats per minute. I could be running around the block, and drop to my knees as the heart is not speeding up to pump increased blood and O2. Ive noticed this over the last year..and while I knew this was a problem..was unable to do anything about it. Priorities....shrug. There is some conjecture that this may have caused a plague build up due to no big speeding up of the heart and blood flow..or the other side says it was the result of plague caused heart damage. Shrug..Docs say it may correct itself in the next few weeks, or Ill simply have to learn to live with it. I was wondering why I couldnt boink for hours anymore..thought I was just getting oldG Angina or the early stages of a heart attack are hard to distinquish from "heart burn" for the average person. Most guys (like myself) tend to be in denial that it could be something serious. The coroner often times finds a belly full of PeptoBismo/Tums or other antacids when doin the autopsy of the people that dont make it to the hospital and are found dead at home. Dead of being stubborn. I damned well could have been one of them. Id strongly suggest reading this link for the various warning signs... http://www.heartinfo.org/ms/guides/9/main.html As to how Im gonna pay for all this..I dont have a clue..but Ive a number of options, from various country and state programs to long term payment plans, to working with the VA. Im starting to explore the options. At least..Im alive to deal with the issue..and Im worth far more alive than dead. I STRONGLY recommend to anyone over 40, that you get a good heart health check up now and then. Some of the screenings may be free, or darned cheap. If this could happen unexpectedly to me..it damned well could happen to anyone. Again..many thanks to all of you who expressed concern. Im very touched and heartened by your best wishes. Even those emailed by Snibbles .....G Respects and deepest regards to the members of the Usenet communtiy who have emailed and posted. Im deeply touched and it gives me a very warm feeling. Gunner And there I was thinking you'd followed my advice of putting the auto blood pressure monitor around your neck.... Mark K. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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"Tim May" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... As to how Im gonna pay for all this..I dont have a clue..but Ive a number of options, from various country and state programs to long term payment plans, to working with the VA. Im starting to explore the options. At least..Im alive to deal with the issue..and Im worth far more alive than dead. Translation of the "various county and state programs" part: * Gunner the avowed enemy of socialism is going to use....socialism. * We non-smokers get to pay for Gunner's heart problems. * Those of us who saved and invested are taxed to pay for an indigent. If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who didn't save, smoked, had a heart attack, and expects the suckers to pay for his condition. The Ant and the Grasshopper story comes to mind. --Tim May Well, Timmy boy. He has paid for it in taxes, as have you. He may be against the concept, and principle, but being forced into that system, and paying for the years he has paid for it, he has the right to get value for the money that was taken from him. As do you and as do I. If the system allowed him to opt out, and he failed to put the $$ away for this eventuality, then you would be correct. As it is the only opt out is via suicide. He has paid for it all these years, he should get the benefit of that payment. So, you are full of ...it. |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message gy.com... Good on you! I was more concerned for Glen, as his philosophy needs ocasional...tuning. God knows what would happen to him without an occasional reality check. Let me know how you do on smoking, I'm next, I can hardly breathe. I hope you told the docs about your Mountain Dew habit, that's the real root of the problem. Oh, by the way, "Where's the metalworking content here?" (somebody had to say it) - Isn't the stent made with a metal alloy? |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 +0000, Gunner wrote:
For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks. Im very touched by the concern of everyone. Its good to know Im either well liked, or for those who dont, they didnt want a thread opponent to disappear G A bit of an explaination of what very unexpectedly happened to "good ol hard as a rock Gunner". (ouch..sigh) Saturday last, I had gone to Bakersfield to pick up an Old Crystal Lake grinder for a gent, who is coming in from Salt Lake City to pick up in the next week or two. Getting it home in mid afternoon, (around 105F, 30% humitity) I unloaded it using the Armstrong Method and the few gadgets I have for moving Stuff around the back yard. This involved a lot of gut busting grunting and groaning, and I stopped to take a break. I noticed I was getting what felt like heart burn, and it was getting a bit hard to ignore..so took a big shot of Pepto Bismo. The pain went away. So I went back outside and kept on moving Stuff. Pain came back. Pepto didnt help. So thinking fast, I dropped a couple of my wife's nitro pills, and the pain went away. Cool. So thinks me..time to take it easy. And I did, all Sunday..just did minor bits and things. No problems all day. This really demonstrates how "fault tolerant" the system is and how suddenly things "go bad" when the blockage finally exceeds the system limit. In my case I'd spent the previous weekend hauling 5gal buckets of mud out of my basement that was the direct result of a mud slide following a broken pipe. Other than the usual "catch your breath" breaks there were no symptoms evident then. However, on Wednesday I noticed that a trip up/down the stairs at work summoned a couple of dwarves that proceeded to drive railroad spikes into my neck/shoulders. That pain would abate if I wasn't moving quickly... Now while Im just a simple harmless fuzzball, I do have a high pain threshhold....and I was rapidly reaching the high end of it. The wife demanded we head to the hospital in Bakersfield (45 miles away), so I dropped 3 asprin, another nitro and off we went like a bat out of hell with her driving. Yep... And you did the same that I did, probably suspecting the worst but hoping that it would "just go away on its own" until it became impossible to ignore. I actually drove home (stopping at the grocery on the way), fixed a pot of coffee and tried to eat a snack. By this time the dwarves had summoned friends and two of them were using my chest as a mold for an Inconel casting in addition to the ones driving spikes in my neck/shoulder. My wife, being an ex-RN, recognised it for what it really was. But having a pretty high pain tolerance and being the usual dumb-ass macho male, I decided I'd finish my coffee (I knew by then that I wouldn't get any more for quite some time) and drive my self to the ER (over the wife's objections). That was a mistake... They NEVER forget... To cut through the bull**** of the next couple very painful and miserable days, much of which is mercifuly veiled with a drug filled fog.... That's the only nice thing about the experience. They really do have the "good drugs" (and lots of them). My cloresteral was perfect Yep, mine too. There's an interesting theory about this that was published sometime back in Scientific American. You can research the article if you want, but in brief the theory says that this sort of blockage may be the result of inflamation in the arterial walls that rupture and cause the blockage. That might explain why ordinarily healthy people with none of the standard conditions/symptoms (high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc.) can suddenly experience one of these "cardiac events". My right coronary aorta http://www.pediheart.org/practitione...y/arteries.htm was 95% plugged off, another one (cant remember ALL the names) was 50% plugged off, and 5 more on the left side of my heart were up to 50% plugged for a grand total of 7 blockages. Keep in mind..that my colesteral levels were absolutely perfect and all the tests showed the heart itself was perfect (though beating slowly) and my BP was in the high normal/low High range. That's kind of scary when you see the picture, isn't it? An interesting side note..to close the hole in the femorial artery they made..they clamp it closed and you down to the table with this big assed C clamp for an hour or so, then clamp your leg down for the next 10 hours so the artery doesnt blow out and you bleed to death in a couple minutes in your bed. Its actually better than it sounds..morphine..lots of morphine.... I've had this done twice. Once in '97 for a partially blocked right illiac artery that caused my right leg to go numb after heavy exercise and then much later for the "big one". Believe me, the "C clamp" is a vast improvement over the old procedure. Back then two-three nurses would take turns manually applying pressure to the incision. Being "good medical practitioners" they tend to err on the safe side, which means they do their level best to try to push your leg down through the basement from the sixth floor. It took some three hours or so and the only redeeming value was all the "good drugs". Mercifully I slept through a good bit of it. By 2001 (three days before 9/11) the technology had improved significantly. This time they used a "C clamp" with an inflatable pressure pad. By raising the pressure in the pad to a bit above blood pressure they can be sure that the artery stays closed. While not at all comfortable, its a lot more bearable. (and lots of drugs help...) I STRONGLY recommend to anyone over 40, that you get a good heart health check up now and then. Some of the screenings may be free, or darned cheap. If this could happen unexpectedly to me..it damned well could happen to anyone. I'll second that, especially if there are any of the conditions that leave you more at risk or any family history of cardiac problems. in my case I should probably have been having at least yearly screenings after the '98 incident. But nobody seemed overly concerned after that with possible later problems, partly because of the very low cholesterol and low blood pressure... I know better now.. I'm really glad your's turned out this well. Please do "become one" with your cardiologist and keep a close watch on this. -- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed RedHat. |
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Tim May wrote:
Translation of the "various county and state programs" part: * Gunner the avowed enemy of socialism is going to use....socialism. * We non-smokers get to pay for Gunner's heart problems. * Those of us who saved and invested are taxed to pay for an indigent. If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who didn't save, smoked, had a heart attack, and expects the suckers to pay for his condition. Talk is cheap Tim, until *you* might need some help. None of us is an island. The people in our country look after good people who might be down on their luck. You are despicable to kick a man when he is down. Glad to see you have survived your ordeal Gunner. Good luck with your recovery! -- Rick |
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Gunner:
I knew you would be back, it is an election year and you wouldn't miss it. Rick |
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Sue wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:55:25 -0700, (Perry Noid) wrote: Proof that prayer works! :o) I'm sure gald you survived. Your galled? Gosh, that isn't very nice. You're not up to Mr. May's callousness, though. G Sue good advice that I should follow, too, snipped Sue Be nice. While you like to post your name as Sue_Bitch some times I can tell you that Dyslexia is a real bitch. (gald being typed for glad is a typical dyslexic error in {htat} (oops there it is again) that it looks ok when you type it and may even look ok when you check it but isn't. Back when I was in grade school, I was considered slow and didn't like school. I had a real problem with reading out loud, Still do today. Once I learned the techniques of speed reading, I started to excel in school. Made the Dean's list most of the semesters at Idaho State University. (my first type through of University was Universtiy with the i and t reversed) It was at good old ISU that I found out that I was dyslexic. Dislextia causes problems with reading, writing, spelling, and math. All the building blocks of today's educational process. No, Sue, Dyslexia is a real bitch. |
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In article , Richard A. Faust
wrote: Tim May wrote: Translation of the "various county and state programs" part: * Gunner the avowed enemy of socialism is going to use....socialism. * We non-smokers get to pay for Gunner's heart problems. * Those of us who saved and invested are taxed to pay for an indigent. If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who didn't save, smoked, had a heart attack, and expects the suckers to pay for his condition. Talk is cheap Tim, until *you* might need some help. None of us is an island. The people in our country look after good people who might be down on their luck. You are despicable to kick a man when he is down. You and your fellow socialists, whom Gunner used to so strongly criticize, need to be sent up the chimneys for stealing so much of our money and then excusing it with the typical socialist cant about "looking after good people." Why not simply, by your logic, socialize all health care, food distribution, and transportation? After all, someone might be "down on their luck" (translation: didn't save, didn't invest, didn't find a well-paying job, smoked, etc.) and need help because "none of us is an island." Up the chimneys with the lot of you. --Tim May |
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For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks.
Welcome back, Gunner. As I pointed out to Sue, the exact same thing happened to Lakers Coach Phil Jackson a year ago practically to the day. He's doing great, with the possible exception of his coaching ability. Get some rest, and as another poster suggested, stay close to your cardiologist and do not shirk follow-up exams!!!!!!! |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
Gunner wrote in message . .. Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I have quit 14 times before...sigh... .... As to how Im gonna pay for all this..I dont have a clue..but Ive a number of options, from various country and state programs to long term payment plans, to working with the VA. Im starting to explore the options. At least..Im alive to deal with the issue..and Im worth far more alive than dead. Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart problems he talked about recently (didn't he tell us not too long ago about how he "took back" the ex-wife who had cuckolded him with one of his friends and who got into drugs and who later had $200,000 worth of freebie medical care, courtesy of the taxpayers, done? I'm confused as to whether his "wife" in the present tense is the bimbo who cuckolded him, or that bimbo is living with Gunner and another wife, a later wife.). I expect Gunner will continue to work, when he can, in the marginal job he described to us in his own past posts, where he said he was lucky to earn $20,000 in a good year. He will likely pay $678 or $1754 or whatever paltry amount in Federal plus State income taxes, but take out many times this amount a year (for future medical care for his condition) in the county and state programs he describes. Fact is, Gunner was a "fair weather conservative." Now the various socialists in these newsgroups are yammering about "no man is an island" (as an excuse to steal from others). "Wait until it happens to you!" is the siren song of the commies and socialists. It's what Hilary, whom Gunner used to deride so strongly, is counting on. (And in fact, if and when it happens to me, I certainly will not qualify for any "county and state programs." In fact, not only will I be soaked at the maximum hospital rates and doctor fees, but my taxes will keep going up, up, and up. All to support the increasing number of people who failed to save, failed to invest, failed to study, failed to make good choices, failed, failed, failed.) Fair weather conservatives...it's what has Hilary and Kerry rubbing their hands in anticipation (actually, their hands are usually occupied with reaching into our wallets to fund their "it takes a village" social programs). Let me remind Gunner, and the readers here, what he said so forcefully about "socialized medicine" and "the feral government" and how robbing others to pay for medicine is wrong. Here are some direct quotes from Gunner, with dates. As all can plainly see, some quotes are quite recent. And there are many more quotes just like these. "A Rolls Royce, or a can of Spam..it makes no difference, it its taken from me at the point of a gun, and given to someone else. Its not yours to take. Thats called robbery. Just because the Feral or State government does it , makes it no less than large armed men doing the robbing. Please point out where in the Constitution (a document defining the limits of goverment) were it defines such taking as approved?" --Gunner, alt.machines.cnc, 2003-06-25 "Please point out in the Constitution where welfare is equated with Providing with the Common Defense?" --Gunner, alt.machines.cnc, 2003-06-25 "Or the fact that the border crossings into the US are filled daily with Canuks coming into the US for medical care that they can't get in their wonderful Socialized Medicine system. at least that they can't get before their condition kills them." --Gunner, misc.survivalism, 1999-07-15 "Klinton is a Fascist/Liberal. Way to the left. Way Way to the left. Nationalized Health care ring a bell? Socialized medicine.... yes sir rebob thats a conservitive thingy. Gun Control...yes sir, thats a conservitive thingy, Oh hell, lots more that I have not the time or patience to expound on." --Gunner, misc.survivalism, 1999-12-06 "Even Republicans are guilty of encouraging government involvement in health care. They claim to be against socialized medicine, yet they continuously pass bills that slowly move the country in that direction, a little at a time." --Gunner, misc.survivalism, 2003-06-02 "Wrong buckwheat...Im self employed, slowly starving to death, but never have, nor ever will ask for nor depend on welfare. I may ask a private charity someday..if Im really at the point of living in a refridgerator box, for a new box.. .... But thats the breaks. Im in the situation Im in, simply for two reasons. Bad luck, which happens to anybody..and more importantly..bad personal decisions over the years. My ex ran me over the coals but it was my decisions that allowed her to do that. I went into manufacturing, thinking it was going to be fun and rewarding...and passed up some number of job offers in several unrelated fields. My decisions, my choices, my having to deal with the results. No one elses. Mine. Nor do I expect some poor ******* to have a gun poked in his ear, so the Feral government can take from him to give to me." --Gunner, same article as first two quotes at the top |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:45:05 -0400, "Richard A. Faust"
wrote: Tim May wrote: Translation of the "various county and state programs" part: * Gunner the avowed enemy of socialism is going to use....socialism. * We non-smokers get to pay for Gunner's heart problems. * Those of us who saved and invested are taxed to pay for an indigent. If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who didn't save, smoked, had a heart attack, and expects the suckers to pay for his condition. Talk is cheap Tim, until *you* might need some help. None of us is an island. The people in our country look after good people who might be down on their luck. You are despicable to kick a man when he is down. Glad to see you have survived your ordeal Gunner. Good luck with your recovery! Hey! I'd settle for a refund of 1/2 of all taxes, state and federal, that I paid in since 1973. I'd not worry about heath care. As far as the VA goes, I (non vet) consider that to be back pay. It was the deal when they went into the military and VA heath care is OWED to Vets by the public. Strider |
Guns and Democracy (was: Gunner: I'm back)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 06:00:13 -0700, The Independent wrote:
Alan Connor wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: snip Welcome back, Gunner. I had no doubt at all. Nor do I see any need to coddle a tough son-of-a-bitch like you: That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell No. Rifles are the symbol of brutal conquest, which is just a fancy term for armed robbery on a large scale. Ballot boxes are the symbol of democracy. There are a WHOLE lot of people with a LOT of weapons that don't have any democracy...Not a ballot box in sight. Duh. :-) Does America's violence around the world create democracy? Try this little quizz: It consists of one (1) multiple-choice question. Here's a list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end of World War II, compiled by historian William Blum: 1. China 1945-46 2. Korea and China 1950-53 3. Guatemala 1954 4. Indonesia 1958 5. Cuba 1959-1961 6. Guatemala 1960 7. Congo 1964 8. Peru 1965 9. Laos 1964-73 10. Vietnam 1961-73 11. Cambodia 1969-70 12. Guatemala 1967-69 13. Grenada 1983 14. Lebanon 1983, 1984 15. Libya 1986 16. El Salvador 1980s 17. Nicaragua 1980s 18. Iran 1987 19. Panama 1989 20. Iraq 1991-2003 21. Kuwait 1991 22. Somalia 1993 23. Bosnia 1994, 1995 24. Sudan 1998 25. Afghanistan 1998, 2001-2004 26. Yugoslavia 1999 27. Iraq 2002-2004 Q: In how many of these instances did a democratic government, respectful of human rights, occur as a direct result? Choose one of the following: (a) 0 (b) zero (c) none (d) not a one (e) a whole number between -1 and +1 (f) zip (g) squat (h) nada (i) who cares? AC The object is to stomp them so hard the first time that they wont want to mess with us again. Fear is the best motivate, ask a Zebra running from a lion. Better yet, visit Israel, where they follow your strategy assidiously. Wonderful place: Frightened and angry youths with automatic weapons on every corner and not a safe place in the entire country. They also have a military that is immensely superior to that posessed by their enemies and have killed at least 10 of them for every Israeli casualty. Yet they have no peace and no security. You can talk to zebras if you want. I prefer to observe human behavior and its results and draw my conclusions from those observations. AC |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:35:10 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote: Santa Cruz Mike wrote: " A bullet in the foot first warning, next the thigh, then a good chest shot... then between the eyes" Little Gunner If you draw your weapon the first shot should be between the eyes. Actually...center of mass. Aim for 2" above the belt buckle and the followup shots tend to string upwards through the remaining vital bits. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On 19 Jun 2004 13:59:18 GMT, Ignoramus9812
wrote: Glad you are still alive and in a decent shape... Any explanation why all this occurred (given your good blood tests etc)? i Actually no. Cardiac specialist indicated that 50 yrs of bad diet, high stress and smoking were the culprits. Pick one from column A, or one from Column B. Thanks Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:15:55 -0700, Tim May
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... As to how Im gonna pay for all this..I dont have a clue..but Ive a number of options, from various country and state programs to long term payment plans, to working with the VA. Im starting to explore the options. At least..Im alive to deal with the issue..and Im worth far more alive than dead. Translation of the "various county and state programs" part: * Gunner the avowed enemy of socialism is going to use....socialism. Was there some reason you forgot to mention the other options listed above? "long term payment plans, to working with the VA." Or are you simply going to once again, pontificate while blowing smoke out your ass? Indeed, its your norm. * We non-smokers get to pay for Gunner's heart problems. Indeed, you might. Then, you might not. I might vote Democrat. Then, I might not. Im still exploring the options. If I go the socialism route, Ill make sure to ask the State to add the cost to your property taxes and you personally can pay the freight. * Those of us who saved and invested are taxed to pay for an indigent. Then those of us who are heavily taxed might get some of our money back. If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who didn't save, smoked, had a heart attack, and expects the suckers to pay for his condition. The Ant and the Grasshopper story comes to mind. Tubby asshole with acess to the internet comes to mind... --Tim May Indeed. Large tubby asshole. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
In article , Tim May says...
Here are some direct quotes from Gunner, with dates. As all can plainly see, some quotes are quite recent. And there are many more quotes just like these. Having been there for most of those quotes, it seems to me they're a bit out of context. But hey, that's OK. You picked the best time to point all this stuff out, which was right after the guy's has an angioplasty. I think your time might be better off spent either pulling the wings off flys, or incinerating ants with a magnifying glass. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Strider wrote:
As far as the VA goes, I (non vet) consider that to be back pay. It was the deal when they went into the military and VA heath care is OWED to Vets by the public. Strider Strider, My sentiments exactly. VA health benefits were earned. -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude © Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://www.pulsareng.com/ |
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Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:35:10 -0700, Garlicdude wrote: Santa Cruz Mike wrote: " A bullet in the foot first warning, next the thigh, then a good chest shot... then between the eyes" Little Gunner If you draw your weapon the first shot should be between the eyes. Actually...center of mass. Aim for 2" above the belt buckle and the followup shots tend to string upwards through the remaining vital bits. Gunner Gunner, Agreed. The point was the one I keep driving home to my wife. Don't draw your weapon If you don't intend to use it. None of this "one step closer" stuff, pretty soon the perp has your gun and your toast. -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude © Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://www.pulsareng.com/ |
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Tim May wrote:
You and your fellow socialists, whom Gunner used to so strongly criticize, need to be sent up the chimneys for stealing so much of our money and then excusing it with the typical socialist cant about "looking after good people." That's the way our government works. If things are not the way you like, then you need to do something about it. Picking on someone down on their luck won't change this situation; it only makes you look like the bad guy. Why not simply, by your logic, socialize all health care, food distribution, and transportation? After all, someone might be "down on their luck" (translation: didn't save, didn't invest, didn't find a well-paying job, smoked, etc.) and need help because "none of us is an island." Our government is heading in that direction, at least in regard to health care. Many hard working folks are finding it tough to make ends meet these days. Many companies are dropping health care altogether or charging workers premiums that take back a large portion of their wage. The cost of health care has been increasing exponentially for the past several years. Soon the only hope for most people in the U.S. will be a national health care program. Your translation that people did not save, did not invest, did not find a well-paying job is rather simplistic. Are you saying that it is possible for *everyone* in our country to be able to do the things you have suggested? Somehow I believe you have been rather lucky in your lot in life and now choose to pick on the less fortunate. Did you ever consider that you could be one car accident away from a complete turn around of your good fortune? Then what would you say when all your savings and investments were used up paying for an unforeseen calamity? Should we, the people, then tell you it's your fault for not looking ahead and planning for that automobile accident. Sounds rather foolish doesn't it? -- Rick |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
Tim May wrote:
major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? -- Rick |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:59:37 -0400, "Richard A. Faust"
wrote: Tim May wrote: You and your fellow socialists, whom Gunner used to so strongly criticize, need to be sent up the chimneys for stealing so much of our money and then excusing it with the typical socialist cant about "looking after good people." That's the way our government works. If things are not the way you like, then you need to do something about it. Picking on someone down on their luck won't change this situation; it only makes you look like the bad guy. Mr. May revels in being the bad guy. He's quite proud of himself for being so. Why not simply, by your logic, socialize all health care, food distribution, and transportation? After all, someone might be "down on their luck" (translation: didn't save, didn't invest, didn't find a well-paying job, smoked, etc.) and need help because "none of us is an island." Our government is heading in that direction, at least in regard to health care. Many hard working folks are finding it tough to make ends meet these days. Many companies are dropping health care altogether or charging workers premiums that take back a large portion of their wage. The cost of health care has been increasing exponentially for the past several years. Soon the only hope for most people in the U.S. will be a national health care program. Your translation that people did not save, did not invest, did not find a well-paying job is rather simplistic. Are you saying that it is possible for *everyone* in our country to be able to do the things you have suggested? Somehow I believe you have been rather lucky in your lot in life and now choose to pick on the less fortunate. Did you ever consider that you could be one car accident away from a complete turn around of your good fortune? Then what would you say when all your savings and investments were used up paying for an unforeseen calamity? Something many of us who know the illustrious Mr. May from misc.survivalism have been hoping for. Unfortunately, he is well enough padded financially (pretty well padded physically, too G) that there probably isn't much than can hurt him in the wallet. Sue - proudly from Mr. May's killfile Should we, the people, then tell you it's your fault for not looking ahead and planning for that automobile accident. Sounds rather foolish doesn't it? |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:05:24 -0400, "Richard A. Faust"
wrote: Tim May wrote: major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? ROFLMAO!!! What humanity? Mr. May takes it as a point of pride that he hasn't any. Sue - proudly from Mr. May's killfile |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
Tim May wrote: In article , John Scheldroup wrote: "Tim May" wrote in message ... In article , PJ wrote: Between Kerry pushing for nationalized health care, and Bush trying to coddle the fair weather conservatives like yourselves, we are likely doomed to have more and bigger government, just as Gunner himself used to warn about. Hilarious. But depressing. I believe the richest country on the face of this earth should have free health care provided for folks that require it, any matter the **** poor income brackets that most of us earn these days, maybe were not focusing on the right problem. You certainly are in the right newsgroups, then! Maybe Gunner could run as Ralph Nader's running mate? --Tim May Actually I think that Gunner is pulling some major leg with his only $20,000 a year income. If he has only half the machine shop he says he does, as a out source jobber he could be rolling in coin. All most all the machine shops in the portland area and making good money in the current environment of outsourcing and jobbing. I have several friends that I take care of their AS/400 systems for them and they are doing really well. No I don't worry one bit about Gunner. I think he is just stringing you along. The Independent of Clackamas County, Oregon "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions ... but by iron and blood." (Otto Von Bismarck, Speech, Sept. 30, 1862.) |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
In article , Richard A. Faust
wrote: Tim May wrote: major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? He spent many years criticizing all aspects of socialized medicine, but now that he is partaking of it (and has been, via the wife/ex-wife/whatever-she-is) we are supposed to become Hillary's It Takes a Village People? In rereading many of several years' worth of posts, via Google Groups, it amazes me that Gunner didn't stroke out years ago...the wife who shacked up with a boyfriend shortly after Gunner married her, his "son" apparently being this other guy's kid, the merry-go-round of sluts moving back and forth, the druggies, the low-paying jobs, the drugs, the son's girfriend stealing the son's money, more debt, the ex-wife/junkie returning, the ex-wife stealing from him, the fliers Gunner put out in 2000 about her, more drugs, more cuckolding, the son (by the other guy) being a bum, and on and on. Having him lecture us on the problems with morals and with socialism is like having William Bennett writing books on morality. Gunner needs to tell the slutty ex-wife to "Get a job to repay the $400,000." He need to tell the ******* son and his wife and kid to move out so real rent-tenants can move in. And he needs to find a better job than what he describes so often: driving "2 hours each way" for a one-hour service call. Unless that service call is paying $150 an hour, or more, it ain't a profitable job. Not when everything is taken into account. But more than anything, he needs to face up to the situation and reevaluate his professed political views. People who pay way too much in taxes are paying to support Gunner, his wife/ex-wife/whatever, his ******* son and his wife and kid, just so that Gunner can post 20 times a day about the evils of socialism. --Tim May |
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jim rozen typed:
Tim May says... Here are some direct quotes from Gunner, with dates. As all can plainly see, some quotes are quite recent. And there are many more quotes just like these. Having been there for most of those quotes, it seems to me they're a bit out of context. But hey, that's OK. You picked the best time to point all this stuff out, which was right after the guy's has an angioplasty. I think your time might be better off spent either pulling the wings off flys, or incinerating ants with a magnifying glass. Jim Jim, I just love your rhetoric. It is absolutely right on.. Some people have there heads deeply embedded ... oh, never-mind.. PJ |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
Richard A. Faust typed:
Tim May wrote: major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? Bottom Line? He has absolutely NONE.. PJ |
Gunner on Socialism and Socialized Medicine
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:29:34 -0700, Tim May
wrote: In article , Richard A. Faust wrote: Tim May wrote: major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? He spent many years criticizing all aspects of socialized medicine, but now that he is partaking of it (and has been, via the wife/ex-wife/whatever-she-is) we are supposed to become Hillary's It Takes a Village People? So you are accusing him of hypocrisy? I'm not too wild about hypocrites. Let's see. I'm not good a Google searching, but I'm sure there are those here (misc.survivalism) who recall your post about how men need to start monitoring women's eating habits at certain ages. IIRC it was something like black women at 17, hispanic women at 23 and white women at 27. Nice talk from someone who looks like this: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-2...-dinner-2.html Looks like someone who gave a damn should have monitored *your* eating habits at some point. Oh, wait. I doubt anyone gives a damn whether you die from a heart attack or not except those who stand to inherit. Hypocrite. Sue - proudly from Mr. May's killfile |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:28:46 GMT, Gunner said:
--Tim May Indeed. Large tubby asshole. Gunner I say that if Tim were to someday drop dead in front of an MS reader, that reader should Gut, and butcher Tim's body up. Washing the meat and packing it on ice, to be shipped to LG, in Chicago. Larry can then set his BBQ grill up in his front yard and have a 'pig roast', he could then treat all of his 'african american' neighbors to some free BBQ. n. |
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Proof that prayer works! :o) I'm sure gald you survived.
I donno if you want some advice on how to quit smoking..... I smoked 1.5 packs for 13 years, quit cold turkey have stayed quit with zero cravings for about 10 and know several friends who also quit cold turkey who remain quit longer. For those who just hang on and think about how good a smoke would be the cravings just go on and on, even for the rest of their lives. But those who make up their mind they are going to quit and face down their cravings especially during the worst moments are completely over the mental addiction fairly quickly. It's really a fight for control of your mind, but reducing cravings to zero forever can be done. No better time to quit than now! |
Gunner: I'm back
In article , Richard A. Faust
wrote: Our government is heading in that direction, at least in regard to health care. Many hard working folks are finding it tough to make ends meet these days. Many companies are dropping health care altogether or charging workers premiums that take back a large portion of their wage. The cost of health care has been increasing exponentially for the past several years. Soon the only hope for most people in the U.S. will be a national health care program. Your translation that people did not save, did not invest, did not find a well-paying job is rather simplistic. Are you saying that it is possible for *everyone* in our country to be able to do the things you have suggested? Somehow I believe you have been rather lucky in your lot in life and now choose to pick on the less fortunate. Did you ever consider that you could be one car accident away from a complete turn around of your good fortune? Then what would you say when all your savings and investments were used up paying for an unforeseen calamity? Should we, the people, then tell you it's your fault for not looking ahead and planning for that automobile accident. Sounds rather foolish doesn't it? No, because _your_ bad fortune is NOT my problem. Nor is _my_ bad fortune YOUR problem. Gunner himself has issued many posts to this precise effect, citing Sen. Crockett's speech, citing the perils of nationalized health care, and on and on. As for your "unforeseen calamity" point, this is why people buy insurance. They pay others to agree to deal with rare and unexpected events. Gunner has described how he let his ex-wife (though he now seems to be calling her his "wife," though it's not clear to me what the situation is...I'm not sure I want to know the sordid details) steal some of his money, how she cuckolded him shortly after they were married, how he took her back when she got too drug-addled, and so on. Google Groups has all the details, freely confessed by Gunner. (Let me tell you folks this: one reason I may appear "distant"--as some have said, more or less--is that I avoid discussing my personal tragedies on a public and very-archved list.) Gunner has for several years now--beginning in 2000, though I haven't looked further back, so it may go back further--been using these newsgroups to whine about his ex-wife, his no-good son (the one by the guy who his wife cuckolded him with), his poor job prospects, how Taft is so far away from hospitals and jobs, and on and on. I had to killfile him a few years ago, but now I see this outpouring of "Poor Gunner!" tales and the "Angels will guide you!" religious gibberish, and it's just too ludicrous not to comment on. Gunner, whom I sometimes used to agree with, has made nearly every bad decision that could be made, as if he were setting out 25 years ago to martyr himself at every step of the way. From "taking back" a slutty tramp of a wife, who also was doing drugs, to raising a kid that wasn't even his own, to entering a career that even as early as 1980 was seen as dying out, to living in a remote part of California very far from jobs, to taking in the slut again and having her steal $$$ from him, to letting his bum son and his wife and kid move in....it goes on. He has no business lecturing us on politics and morality as if he's some latter-day Heinlein. I do wish him well, but he needs to kick the slut out, sever himself from her medical bills (may be too late now if they never actually got divorced), tell his "son" to move out, and, probably, liquidate the Taft property and move to where some real jobs are located. And he needs to stop complaining that Clinton "gave away the machining industry to other countries." That was not "giving away" any more than the freedom of chip companies, now, to locate where the business climate is better is a case of Bush Jr. "giving away" the chip business--though I already hear Dems screaming that "Bush gave away the high tech business!" As you machinists here certainly know, this process was happening a long, long time before Clinton. (I recall in the early 70s when more and more tools and machines were coming from other countries, and the process accelerated dramatically as the mid-70s phase shift in auto production really became apparent.) It was clear to me, as an engineer at Intel in the 1970s, that even CNC machining would be undergoing some drastic changes in the coming decades. For the future, I see many bright prospects. But only in the cutting-edge areas. For example, functional and declarative programming, chip design for leading-edge chips, combinatory logic using proteins and custom-designed molecules, and things of that sort. It's what I'm working on (Haskell and ML, implications), it's what I've been investing in, and it's where I'll likely make even more money in the future...that is, if the "fair weather conservatives" now calling for raising taxes to pay for socialized medicine, closing the borders with new protectionism, and creating "no man is an island safety nets" for everyone who can't cut it in the real world. Gunner and his supporters: stop taking my money and excusing it by claiming it's your just due for all the taxes you paid. What a joke. --Tim May |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:48:09 GMT, Sue wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:29:34 -0700, Tim May wrote: In article , Richard A. Faust wrote: Tim May wrote: major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? He spent many years criticizing all aspects of socialized medicine, but now that he is partaking of it (and has been, via the wife/ex-wife/whatever-she-is) we are supposed to become Hillary's It Takes a Village People? So you are accusing him of hypocrisy? I'm not too wild about hypocrites. Let's see. I'm not good a Google searching, but I'm sure there are those here (misc.survivalism) who recall your post about how men need to start monitoring women's eating habits at certain ages. IIRC it was something like black women at 17, hispanic women at 23 and white women at 27. Nice talk from someone who looks like this: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-2...-dinner-2.html Looks like someone who gave a damn should have monitored *your* eating habits at some point. Oh, wait. I doubt anyone gives a damn whether you die from a heart attack or not except those who stand to inherit. Hypocrite. Sue - proudly from Mr. May's killfile Tim's heirs feed him WELL. ;-) Strider |
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In article , PJ
wrote: Richard A. Faust typed: Tim May wrote: major rant snipped Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart Why not let the poor guy alone? Would you want someone picking on you when you were quite ill? Where is your humanity? Bottom Line? He has absolutely NONE.. You fair weather conservatives are to true conservative values what "Reagan Democrats" were to their formerly-avowed liberal values. Between Kerry pushing for nationalized health care, and Bush trying to coddle the fair weather conservatives like yourselves, we are likely doomed to have more and bigger government, just as Gunner himself used to warn about. Hilarious. But depressing. --Tim May |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:49:32 -0400, North wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:28:46 GMT, Gunner said: --Tim May Indeed. Large tubby asshole. Gunner I say that if Tim were to someday drop dead in front of an MS reader, that reader should Gut, and butcher Tim's body up. Washing the meat and packing it on ice, to be shipped to LG, in Chicago. Larry can then set his BBQ grill up in his front yard and have a 'pig roast', he could then treat all of his 'african american' neighbors to some free BBQ. I live pretty close to Mr. May. I don't know if he's important enough to have his obit in the SF Chronicle, but I keep reading and I keep hoping. If I ever read anything there believe me I will post the good news in bold type. Hmmm. Maybe I'll subscribe to the Santa Cruz Sentinal. Sue n. |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:56:33 -0700, Tim May
wrote: In article , Richard A. Faust wrote: Our government is heading in that direction, at least in regard to health care. Many hard working folks are finding it tough to make ends meet these days. Many companies are dropping health care altogether or charging workers premiums that take back a large portion of their wage. The cost of health care has been increasing exponentially for the past several years. Soon the only hope for most people in the U.S. will be a national health care program. Your translation that people did not save, did not invest, did not find a well-paying job is rather simplistic. Are you saying that it is possible for *everyone* in our country to be able to do the things you have suggested? Somehow I believe you have been rather lucky in your lot in life and now choose to pick on the less fortunate. Did you ever consider that you could be one car accident away from a complete turn around of your good fortune? Then what would you say when all your savings and investments were used up paying for an unforeseen calamity? Should we, the people, then tell you it's your fault for not looking ahead and planning for that automobile accident. Sounds rather foolish doesn't it? No, because _your_ bad fortune is NOT my problem. Nor is _my_ bad fortune YOUR problem. Gunner himself has issued many posts to this precise effect, citing Sen. Crockett's speech, citing the perils of nationalized health care, and on and on. As for your "unforeseen calamity" point, this is why people buy insurance. They pay others to agree to deal with rare and unexpected events. Gunner has described how he let his ex-wife (though he now seems to be calling her his "wife," though it's not clear to me what the situation is...I'm not sure I want to know the sordid details) steal some of his money, how she cuckolded him shortly after they were married, how he took her back when she got too drug-addled, and so on. Google Groups has all the details, freely confessed by Gunner. (Let me tell you folks this: one reason I may appear "distant"--as some have said, more or less--is that I avoid discussing my personal tragedies on a public and very-archved list.) Which I hope are legion. Gunner has for several years now--beginning in 2000, though I haven't looked further back, so it may go back further--been using these newsgroups to whine about his ex-wife, his no-good son (the one by the guy who his wife cuckolded him with), his poor job prospects, how Taft is so far away from hospitals and jobs, and on and on. I had to killfile him a few years ago, but now I see this outpouring of "Poor Gunner!" tales and the "Angels will guide you!" religious gibberish, and it's just too ludicrous not to comment on. Gunner, whom I sometimes used to agree with, has made nearly every bad decision that could be made, as if he were setting out 25 years ago to martyr himself at every step of the way. From "taking back" a slutty tramp of a wife, who also was doing drugs, to raising a kid that wasn't even his own, to entering a career that even as early as 1980 was seen as dying out, to living in a remote part of California very far from jobs, to taking in the slut again and having her steal $$$ from him, to letting his bum son and his wife and kid move in....it goes on. He has no business lecturing us on politics and morality as if he's some latter-day Heinlein. As you have never had any business complaining about women eating too much. That one sure came back to bite you in the ass. Snicker. Hypocrite. Once again: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-2...-dinner-2.html Sue |
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In article , Strabo
wrote: Actually Tim, he's already paid for it. The VA was part of the monetary package back when he was paid about $60 a month. You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000 bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran up? Even for the case of Gunner himself, being a veteran is not a ticket to lifetime medical care. I'm surprised anyone thinks it is. VA hospitals are generally for service-related conditions. Here's one online summary of the requirements for ca " Compensation for service-connected disabilities is payable to veterans who have suffered an injury or illness which occurred or was made worse during military service. A claim for compensation may be established by evidence showing that an injury or illness arose or became worse during service and that the veteran currently suffers from that difficulty. " The amount of compensation paid depends on how severe the medical problem is. Severity can vary from 10 percent to 100 percent disability. Benefits range up to a certain amount each month, with additional payments for certain severe disabilities. The rate of compensation may change as the severity of injury or illness changes. Also, permanently and totally disabled veterans without income may qualify for a non-service connected disability pension if they served at least 90 days on active duty with one day during a period of war. " http://www.chicagobar.org/public/diallaw/20.asp I know of one Vietnam-era vet who had his heart bypass done at a VA hospital and who has been receiving $1000 a month for the past two years, but only because his heart attack was ruled a service-related disability. (I don't know any more details. This guy is the friend of a guy who does some tree trimming at my place. He says his disabled friend uses the money to buy booze and such and that he just lives in his van and hopes the money will continue to flow...supposedly his condition is subject to review and will likely eventually stop.) And, being from a military family, my father was only covered if he got care via a military hospital, and this as part of his full retirement benefits. (Note: Being in the service for 20 years gets a person more benefits than for a 3-year hitch, which only gets service-related treatment, as noted above.) For example, he travelled to military facilities specfically for this reason, and even retired to San Diego to be near a naval hospital. Care at other hospitals was not covered (emergencies may be covered, but not surgeries past the stabilization period only). If the VA is going to pay, why is Gunner talking about "county and state" aid? And his wife's $400,000 bill is not covered by the VA in any case. I recall posts from Gunner a few years ago about his ex-wife's (er, wife's) drug abuse, bad habits, etc. It seems likely these bad habits were the cause of her terrible medical condition not long after. So why are my taxes going up and up and up to pay for the bad lifestyle choices of others? Seems to me to be just the sort of thing Gunner used to rail about. --Tim May |
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In article , Strabo
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:00:38 GMT, Strider wrote: As far as the VA goes, I (non vet) consider that to be back pay. It was the deal when they went into the military and VA heath care is OWED to Vets by the public. That's a big 10-4. Except it's just no so. VA treatment is for service-related injuries or conditions only. Those who want a more comprehensive deal need to stay in the service until the benefits kick in. Just like with all sorts of other pension plans. Being in the service for 3 years is not a ticket for free health care for the rest of your life. Nor should it be, for obvious reasons. --Tim May |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:04:32 -0700, The Independent
calmly ranted: Personally I don't care how Gunner pays for it, or we pay for it. Personally I would prefer that some of my tax dollars go to gunner than to the con man Jesse Jackson. Damned straight. --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day -- http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst. |
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On 19 Jun 2004 13:49:31 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Tim May says... Here are some direct quotes from Gunner, with dates. As all can plainly see, some quotes are quite recent. And there are many more quotes just like these. Having been there for most of those quotes, it seems to me they're a bit out of context. But hey, that's OK. You picked the best time to point all this stuff out, which was right after the guy's has an angioplasty. I think your time might be better off spent either pulling the wings off flys, or incinerating ants with a magnifying glass. Hear! Hear! One need not agree with Gunner to recognize that however irritating he is that he is, at any rate, one of us. Even if he were not, proponents of "socialized medicine" should realize that, at the moment, support, rather than attack, is what Gunner needs. Otherwise the cost of healthcare increases slightly for all... Al Moore |
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