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Charles A. Sherwood
 
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I recently bought a dividing head and in an effort to understand
how to use it I went through an example to make a gear.
Machine shop practice covers it pretty well.

I picked a 96 tooth gear because a project I have in mind uses one.

40/96 = 5/12
Which means I need to rotate the handle 5/12 of a turn for each
tooth. Looking at the index plates (A,B,C) I have choices of 15-20
on plate A, 21-49 on plates B and C. There are no plates with
a multiple of 12. I am also puzzled why there are no even numbers
above 20. Plates B and C have only odd numbers. Why?

It seems to me that I need to make an index plate with 12 holes
in order to make this gear. Am I missing something???

chuck

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Charles A. Sherwood wrote:
I recently bought a dividing head and in an effort to understand
how to use it I went through an example to make a gear.
Machine shop practice covers it pretty well.

I picked a 96 tooth gear because a project I have in mind uses one.

40/96 = 5/12
Which means I need to rotate the handle 5/12 of a turn for each
tooth. Looking at the index plates (A,B,C) I have choices of 15-20
on plate A, 21-49 on plates B and C. There are no plates with
a multiple of 12. I am also puzzled why there are no even numbers
above 20. Plates B and C have only odd numbers. Why?


Hmm ... according to the tables in _Machinery's Handbook_, you
need 3 holes on an 18 hole circle, *plus* 5 holes on a 20 hole circle.
This requires a special setup, so the plate can be rotated (for
alignment) after the first motion and a second motion set up with the
second hole circle. I've never done this, and I don't have the setup
for that, so I can't give more details -- without scanning the whole of
the _Machinery's Handbook_ entry, which would be copyright violation.

The listing in the Handbook for the hole circles available with
the Brown and Sharpe dividing head show the following:

PL
# Holes
------------------------------------------------------------
1 15 16 17 18 19 20
2 21 23 27 29 31 33
3 37 39 41 43 47 49

It seems to me that I need to make an index plate with 12 holes
in order to make this gear. Am I missing something???


That is one option, and it should be easy enough. It also
sounds like the way that *I* would go about it, lacking the extra
hardware to do the compound indexing.

O.K. I just went down and looked at the division plate for my
B&S dividing head, and it skips over 96, suggesting that it can't be
accomplished with the supplied plates.

So -- make a new plate, and start at the outside edge, leaving
room to add other rows as you discover the need.

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So -- make a new plate, and start at the outside edge, leaving
room to add other rows as you discover the need.


Thanks for the help. I will probably start at the inside and save the
outside edge for rows with more numbers. I still find it curious
that standard plates don't cover this, but I guess the other patterns
are probably used more. How many people cut 96 tooth gears anyway!

chuck
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Hmm ... according to the tables in _Machinery's Handbook_, you
need 3 holes on an 18 hole circle, *plus* 5 holes on a 20 hole circle.
This requires a special setup, so the plate can be rotated (for
alignment) after the first motion and a second motion set up with the
second hole circle. I've never done this, and I don't have the setup


This seems like a way to make a simple problem HARD! 5 holes in
a 12 hole circle is so much easier.

chuck
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BUT there are no multiple of 12 hole circles provided on the 3
standard dividing plates. In fact there are no even numbers
greater than 20. Personally I think its to get you to buy
the differential dividing attachment!
chuck


or......

10/24 of a turn

or......

15/36 of a turn

or......

20/48 of a turn

changing fractions to lowest common denominator, while a way of
getting a good grade on a test, is not always all that helpful....





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Keep in mind that back "in the day" when dividing heads were THE tool
for such things shops most likely had all the gears and knowledge to
quickly set up a differential indexing situation.

These days lacking the gears and expereince we have to make a custom
plate for such situations. Some where in my desk I have a 59 hole
plate I made years back for a gear. Never used it but I still have
it!

Errol Groff


On 17 May 2004 21:25:28 GMT, (Charles A.
Sherwood) wrote:

Hmm ... according to the tables in _Machinery's Handbook_, you
need 3 holes on an 18 hole circle, *plus* 5 holes on a 20 hole circle.
This requires a special setup, so the plate can be rotated (for
alignment) after the first motion and a second motion set up with the
second hole circle. I've never done this, and I don't have the setup


This seems like a way to make a simple problem HARD! 5 holes in
a 12 hole circle is so much easier.

chuck


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