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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of
W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
I find that I can get excellent threads (comparatively) by setting up the
compound parallel to the longitudinal travel. You have to calculate the depth of thread to go in (I think it's pitch * .6495, in radius, double the value if your machine is in diameter). Once you have threaded to this depth (the thread will look incorrect), retract the compound about .001" and take a pass. Then advance the compound roughly .002" past your original zero and take another pass. Use thread measuring wires for the best fit, but you can just muck about with a nut if you want. This technique works so well because it independently cuts the leading and trailing flanks. I have found the surface grinding the top face of the cutter makes for an excellent finish. I would assume grinding the side faces couldn't hurt either. Regards, Robin "Jim Stewart" wrote in message ... I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Are you using cutting oil?
Are you advancing the compound at 30 degrees or straight in? Heavy cuts or light cuts? In article , Jim Stewart wrote: I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Charles A. Sherwood wrote:
Are you using cutting oil Yes, tried lard oil and pipe cutting oil Are you advancing the compound at 30 degrees or straight in? Heavy cuts or light cuts? 30 degrees until the end then last fine cut straight in. Light cuts. I don't have much choice at 28 tpi In article , Jim Stewart wrote: I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Robin S. wrote:
I find that I can get excellent threads (comparatively) by setting up the compound parallel to the longitudinal travel. You have to calculate the depth of thread to go in (I think it's pitch * .6495, in radius, double the value if your machine is in diameter). Once you have threaded to this depth (the thread will look incorrect), retract the compound about .001" and take a pass. Then advance the compound roughly .002" past your original zero and take another pass. Use thread measuring wires for the best fit, but you can just muck about with a nut if you want. This technique works so well because it independently cuts the leading and trailing flanks. I have found the surface grinding the top face of the cutter makes for an excellent finish. I would assume grinding the side faces couldn't hurt either. I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks. |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Are you sure the helix angle (below the cutting edge) is allowing sufficient
clearance to prevent the tool from rubbing on the bore? Bob Swinney "Jim Stewart" wrote in message ... Charles A. Sherwood wrote: Are you using cutting oil Yes, tried lard oil and pipe cutting oil Are you advancing the compound at 30 degrees or straight in? Heavy cuts or light cuts? 30 degrees until the end then last fine cut straight in. Light cuts. I don't have much choice at 28 tpi In article , Jim Stewart wrote: I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Jim Stewart wrote in message ...
I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? Try using a bit more rake, slightly less clearance than you normally would. Possibly changing speeds, going just a bit higher, and using regular old thread cutting oil. W-1 seems to like high sulfur oils. LIghter cuts for the last little bit seems to help too. MIght want to check that the back side of the tool isn't dragging, 5/8"-28 isn't a whole lot of helix angle. |
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Bob Swinney wrote:
Are you sure the helix angle (below the cutting edge) is allowing sufficient clearance to prevent the tool from rubbing on the bore? No, that hadn't occured to me. I'll check it. Bob Swinney "Jim Stewart" wrote in message ... Charles A. Sherwood wrote: Are you using cutting oil Yes, tried lard oil and pipe cutting oil Are you advancing the compound at 30 degrees or straight in? Heavy cuts or light cuts? 30 degrees until the end then last fine cut straight in. Light cuts. I don't have much choice at 28 tpi In article , Jim Stewart wrote: I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
I assume that you are running pretty slow, 100 rpm or so,
like we're told is the way to cut threads. I sometimes wonder if the combination of slow speeds and light feeds just doesn't prevent the cutting edge from being able to shear the material cleanly. I've noticed that the best clean-up pass is .005 or so and at 300+ rpm. But obviously, it isn't really possible to make a full speed threading cut up to a face, so maybe you could use a right hand cutting tool and cut off the end of the part??? Bob Swinney wrote: Are you sure the helix angle (below the cutting edge) is allowing sufficient clearance to prevent the tool from rubbing on the bore? Bob Swinney "Jim Stewart" wrote in message ... Charles A. Sherwood wrote: Are you using cutting oil Yes, tried lard oil and pipe cutting oil Are you advancing the compound at 30 degrees or straight in? Heavy cuts or light cuts? 30 degrees until the end then last fine cut straight in. Light cuts. I don't have much choice at 28 tpi In article , Jim Stewart wrote: I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
you need a really sharp tool with a very good positive top rake, take lots
of passes with a small depth of cut .oo2 per side max. |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
So far I haven't seen how you are supporting the rod. Are you using a dead
center or such? It sounds like lack of rigidity. -- There are 10 kinds of people...Those that understand binary and those that don't "Jim Stewart" wrote in message ... I've been trying to cut 28 tpi threads in a length of W1 5/8" drill rod stock. So far, they come out ragged to the point of uselessness. I'm a bit frustrated because the steel turns beautifully. I'm using hand-ground and diamond-honed HSS+10% cobalt tools. I've had good luck cutting threads in brass, bronze and AL. I've also made passable large form threads in steel. Anyone have any pointers? |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Tom Gardner wrote:
So far I haven't seen how you are supporting the rod. Are you using a dead center or such? It sounds like lack of rigidity. 4C collet with about an inch of stock sticking out. |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
Nevermind...
-- There are only 10 kinds of people...Those that understand binary and those that don't. "Jim Stewart" wrote in message s.com... Tom Gardner wrote: So far I haven't seen how you are supporting the rod. Are you using a dead center or such? It sounds like lack of rigidity. 4C collet with about an inch of stock sticking out. |
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Cutting fine threads in W1 steel rod
nic wrote:
clean-up pass is .005 or so and at 300+ rpm. But obviously, it isn't really possible to make a full speed threading cut up to a face, If your lathe does _not_ have a screw on chuck, you can put the tool on the back side of the work and run in reverse. That way, you cut away from the shoulder and can cut at any speed you desire. Ted |
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