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Craftsman 101.07403 12" Lathe
I am picking up a craftsman model 101.07403 12" lathe tomorrow and I am a
bit confused on the actual bed length, and the 'between centers' dimension. I searched the web and newsgroups for this model lathe and found it to be called a 12"x24" and a 12"x36" lathe. Does it come in two sizes? The person I am purchasing it from actually measured the distance between the front of the 3 jaw chuck (mounted on the headstock) and the front tip of the tailstock without anything installed into it. It measured at around 30". So you can see why I am confused. Is this lathe considered to have 24" or 36" between centers. He also stated it has a 40" bed, but I think he is measuring with a tape measure and not quite sure where to measure from since I believe these only came in 42" and 54" beds. The lathe is mounted on a 60" long table, with about 4 to 6 inches of exposed table (length). So this leads me to believe the overall length of the lathe is around 54". I am really confused now. The only problem with the lathe (which he doesn't consider a problem) is that the threads on the feedscrew right near the headstock are starting to show a little wear. He said it should not affect anything, but wanted to disclose every thing he noticed. Also, there is a bit of backlash on the carriage. He said by slightly tightening the gibs he can eliminate that problem. I priced a new leadscrew from sears, just in case it was really bad, and they want $543.33. Is there any other source or way to replace this item if needed. One last question, I want to put a quick change gearbox on it. Will this adapt to this lathe since it did not originally come with it? Thanks for the help. If it looks clean and everything works as stated, I will be happy. He is letting it go for $600.00. I think it is a fair price. |
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Look here. Read through the old posts for all you ever wnted to know about
these lathes. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlas_craftsman/ -- Larry Bailey Illegitimi non carborundum "Terry G" wrote in message newsuv5c.37951$506.16113@fed1read05... I am picking up a craftsman model 101.07403 12" lathe tomorrow and I am a bit confused on the actual bed length, and the 'between centers' dimension. I searched the web and newsgroups for this model lathe and found it to be called a 12"x24" and a 12"x36" lathe. Does it come in two sizes? The person I am purchasing it from actually measured the distance between the front of the 3 jaw chuck (mounted on the headstock) and the front tip of the tailstock without anything installed into it. It measured at around 30". So you can see why I am confused. Is this lathe considered to have 24" or 36" between centers. He also stated it has a 40" bed, but I think he is measuring with a tape measure and not quite sure where to measure from since I believe these only came in 42" and 54" beds. The lathe is mounted on a 60" long table, with about 4 to 6 inches of exposed table (length). So this leads me to believe the overall length of the lathe is around 54". I am really confused now. The only problem with the lathe (which he doesn't consider a problem) is that the threads on the feedscrew right near the headstock are starting to show a little wear. He said it should not affect anything, but wanted to disclose every thing he noticed. Also, there is a bit of backlash on the carriage. He said by slightly tightening the gibs he can eliminate that problem. I priced a new leadscrew from sears, just in case it was really bad, and they want $543.33. Is there any other source or way to replace this item if needed. One last question, I want to put a quick change gearbox on it. Will this adapt to this lathe since it did not originally come with it? Thanks for the help. If it looks clean and everything works as stated, I will be happy. He is letting it go for $600.00. I think it is a fair price. |
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Terry G wrote: I am picking up a craftsman model 101.07403 12" lathe tomorrow and I am a bit confused on the actual bed length, and the 'between centers' dimension. I searched the web and newsgroups for this model lathe and found it to be called a 12"x24" and a 12"x36" lathe. Does it come in two sizes? Yes, 42 and 54" beds. The person I am purchasing it from actually measured the distance between the front of the 3 jaw chuck (mounted on the headstock) and the front tip of the tailstock without anything installed into it. It measured at around 30". So you can see why I am confused. Is this lathe considered to have 24" or 36" between centers. He also stated it has a 40" bed, but I think he is measuring with a tape measure and not quite sure where to measure from since I believe these only came in 42" and 54" beds. The lathe is mounted on a 60" long table, with about 4 to 6 inches of exposed table (length). So this leads me to believe the overall length of the lathe is around 54". I am really confused now. The only problem with the lathe (which he doesn't consider a problem) is that the threads on the feedscrew right near the headstock are starting to show a little wear. He said it should not affect anything, but wanted to disclose every thing he noticed. Also, there is a bit of backlash on the carriage. He said by slightly tightening the gibs he can eliminate that problem. I priced a new leadscrew from sears, just in case it was really bad, and they want $543.33. Is there any other source or way to replace this item if needed. It is possible to make new leadscrews from Acme thread stock, but the one there sounds quite servicable. Unless you were making new leadscrews, and need high precision over long lengths of thread, it should be no problem. One last question, I want to put a quick change gearbox on it. Will this adapt to this lathe since it did not originally come with it? Umm, maybe. On the later models, it is a drop-in replacement, but this is the oldest (1938) Atlas model. It may have a 5/8" screw, which is a problem. All the later models have a 3/4" leadscrew. I still think you can do it, but it may require an adapter be made where the leadscrew inserts into the QC. This lathe is basically a 10" Atlas built with higher headstock and tailstock, and is more compatible with 10" Atlas parts. Jon |
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I picked up the lathe yesterday. It looked to be in good condition. It is
a Craftsman 101-17403 with 12" swing and 30" between centers. It also has a 3/4" leadscrew. So would this be considered a later model? So I am assuming a standard quick change gear box would fit. I will have to do some testing with the leadscrew and see if it is going to be a problem. The threads are all there, but the first 12 inches or so of threads are not as square looking as the rest of the leadscrew. Everything else on the lathe looks perfect. I'm taking it all apart tonight to de-grease and remove all the metal shavings. It looks as if he used an air gun on it just before I got there, so now there are fresh metal shavings everywhere! I also want to change the belt that goes to the main spindle pulley. He has an orange type of elastic snap together belt on it. I guess he didn't want to take it apart to put on a new belt. It just feels sloppy. One last thing, the 5" 3 jaw self centering chuck looks to be original. It centers up pretty nicely, but it is about .003" off. I figured out which jaw is causing the problem, and if I put in a .0025 to .0035 shim, it seems to zero it up to within .0005". Is there a rule of thumb for how accurate you need to be. Or in other words, what type of tolerances should I expect to get from the rest of the machine? I am pretty picky, and I'll keep playing with it until it is perfect, but I am not sure what perfect is. I'm thinking of purchasing a new chuck, they are a bit pricey, but will I get more accurate than .0005" right out of the box? Thanks "Jon Elson" wrote in message ... Terry G wrote: I am picking up a craftsman model 101.07403 12" lathe tomorrow and I am a bit confused on the actual bed length, and the 'between centers' dimension. I searched the web and newsgroups for this model lathe and found it to be called a 12"x24" and a 12"x36" lathe. Does it come in two sizes? Yes, 42 and 54" beds. The person I am purchasing it from actually measured the distance between the front of the 3 jaw chuck (mounted on the headstock) and the front tip of the tailstock without anything installed into it. It measured at around 30". So you can see why I am confused. Is this lathe considered to have 24" or 36" between centers. He also stated it has a 40" bed, but I think he is measuring with a tape measure and not quite sure where to measure from since I believe these only came in 42" and 54" beds. The lathe is mounted on a 60" long table, with about 4 to 6 inches of exposed table (length). So this leads me to believe the overall length of the lathe is around 54". I am really confused now. The only problem with the lathe (which he doesn't consider a problem) is that the threads on the feedscrew right near the headstock are starting to show a little wear. He said it should not affect anything, but wanted to disclose every thing he noticed. Also, there is a bit of backlash on the carriage. He said by slightly tightening the gibs he can eliminate that problem. I priced a new leadscrew from sears, just in case it was really bad, and they want $543.33. Is there any other source or way to replace this item if needed. It is possible to make new leadscrews from Acme thread stock, but the one there sounds quite servicable. Unless you were making new leadscrews, and need high precision over long lengths of thread, it should be no problem. One last question, I want to put a quick change gearbox on it. Will this adapt to this lathe since it did not originally come with it? Umm, maybe. On the later models, it is a drop-in replacement, but this is the oldest (1938) Atlas model. It may have a 5/8" screw, which is a problem. All the later models have a 3/4" leadscrew. I still think you can do it, but it may require an adapter be made where the leadscrew inserts into the QC. This lathe is basically a 10" Atlas built with higher headstock and tailstock, and is more compatible with 10" Atlas parts. Jon |
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Terry G wrote:
I picked up the lathe yesterday. It looked to be in good condition. It is a Craftsman 101-17403 with 12" swing and 30" between centers. It also has a 3/4" leadscrew. So would this be considered a later model? So I am assuming a standard quick change gear box would fit. I will have to do some testing with the leadscrew and see if it is going to be a problem. The threads are all there, but the first 12 inches or so of threads are not as square looking as the rest of the leadscrew. Everything else on the lathe looks perfect. I'm taking it all apart tonight to de-grease and remove all the metal shavings. It looks as if he used an air gun on it just before I got there, so now there are fresh metal shavings everywhere! I also want to change the belt that goes to the main spindle pulley. He has an orange type of elastic snap together belt on it. I guess he didn't want to take it apart to put on a new belt. It just feels sloppy. One last thing, the 5" 3 jaw self centering chuck looks to be original. It centers up pretty nicely, but it is about .003" off. I figured out which jaw is causing the problem, and if I put in a .0025 to .0035 shim, it seems to zero it up to within .0005". Is there a rule of thumb for how accurate you need to be. Or in other words, what type of tolerances should I expect to get from the rest of the machine? I am pretty picky, and I'll keep playing with it until it is perfect, but I am not sure what perfect is. I'm thinking of purchasing a new chuck, they are a bit pricey, but will I get more accurate than .0005" right out of the box? Thanks Hi If your chuck is at half a thou , stop . I doubt anything you can buy for this lathe will do any better . To deal in smaller numbers you would need a lathe that is a lot more ridgid then the Atlas . You think new chucks are expensive , well wait until you price out a QC gearbox and leadscrew . Really run the lathe a while first and see how often you change gears . I seldom need to do more them shift the belt on mine . The threading I do under 1/2 I use a tap and die set for and over 1/2 I seldom need . When I do I change the gears which does not take much time .. Yes I wish I had the QG but wanting and needing seem to be two entirely different animals in my case . I have not had to deal with the belts on mine but from what people post here the link belts are well thought of , quieter and every bit as sturdy . So again I would say run the lathe and see how you like it . Luck Ken Cutt |
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Thanks for the reply. I will do just that, run it as it sits, and then see
how I like it. I agree about the QC box. I don't see myself doing much over 1/2" either. I do have a project I'm working on that needs 3/4" threads on the outside of a thick wall tube, so that will probably be my first attempt at threading. I am in the process of completely stripping down the lathe, and cleaning it. I finished the tailstock, and I am almost done with the complete carriage assembly. It looks like there really was 60 years of grease and grime inside that thing. I took every bit of it apart, and scrubbed, cleaned, and chiseled away. Everything inside now looks brand new, and I got to see how everything works, and what exactly needs replacing to get rid of some of the backlash in the cross slide assemblies. I cam across one questions on the headstock gears. There is a spindle with two gears on it, a large one and a smaller one which is not currently engaged (located between the rear pulley and the chuck spindle). To engage them, you turn a small handle right next to the chuck. The previous owner engaged them for me, and showed me how slow the chuck would spin. It worked as some sort of gear reduction. But for the life of me, I can not get it to work now. When I pull the lever forward (towards me) I see the two gears engage onto the chuck spindle gears. They both engage at the same time. But as soon as this happens, everything locks up. I can not spin the chuck or anything. And I can not see how engaging this thing would give me a lower RPM. I spend about an hour looking at it and studying the exploded diagram I have, but no luck. Can somebody school me on this. Thanks. "Ken Cutt" wrote in message ... Terry G wrote: I picked up the lathe yesterday. It looked to be in good condition. It is a Craftsman 101-17403 with 12" swing and 30" between centers. It also has a 3/4" leadscrew. So would this be considered a later model? So I am assuming a standard quick change gear box would fit. I will have to do some testing with the leadscrew and see if it is going to be a problem. The threads are all there, but the first 12 inches or so of threads are not as square looking as the rest of the leadscrew. Everything else on the lathe looks perfect. I'm taking it all apart tonight to de-grease and remove all the metal shavings. It looks as if he used an air gun on it just before I got there, so now there are fresh metal shavings everywhere! I also want to change the belt that goes to the main spindle pulley. He has an orange type of elastic snap together belt on it. I guess he didn't want to take it apart to put on a new belt. It just feels sloppy. One last thing, the 5" 3 jaw self centering chuck looks to be original. It centers up pretty nicely, but it is about .003" off. I figured out which jaw is causing the problem, and if I put in a .0025 to .0035 shim, it seems to zero it up to within .0005". Is there a rule of thumb for how accurate you need to be. Or in other words, what type of tolerances should I expect to get from the rest of the machine? I am pretty picky, and I'll keep playing with it until it is perfect, but I am not sure what perfect is. I'm thinking of purchasing a new chuck, they are a bit pricey, but will I get more accurate than .0005" right out of the box? Thanks Hi If your chuck is at half a thou , stop . I doubt anything you can buy for this lathe will do any better . To deal in smaller numbers you would need a lathe that is a lot more ridgid then the Atlas . You think new chucks are expensive , well wait until you price out a QC gearbox and leadscrew . Really run the lathe a while first and see how often you change gears . I seldom need to do more them shift the belt on mine . The threading I do under 1/2 I use a tap and die set for and over 1/2 I seldom need . When I do I change the gears which does not take much time . Yes I wish I had the QG but wanting and needing seem to be two entirely different animals in my case . I have not had to deal with the belts on mine but from what people post here the link belts are well thought of , quieter and every bit as sturdy . So again I would say run the lathe and see how you like it . Luck Ken Cutt |
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"Terry G" wrote in message news:HPt6c.42619$506.37621@fed1read05...
I picked up the lathe yesterday. It looked to be in good condition. It is a Craftsman 101-17403 with 12" swing and 30" between centers. Ok. Craftsman is rather pedestrian, but quite usable. The threads are all there, but the first 12 inches or so of threads are not as square looking as the rest of the leadscrew. Wouldn't worry about it, that's the area that it gets the most use. Unless they're really worn, it won't make a lot of difference. I'd say try it, and if it works ok, leave it alone. I also want to change the belt that goes to the main spindle pulley. He has an orange type of elastic snap together belt on it. I guess he didn't want to take it apart to put on a new belt. It just feels sloppy. I wouldn't be in any great hurry to change it, I was surprised to find that those linked belts pull pretty good. Runs pretty smooth too. One last thing, the 5" 3 jaw self centering chuck looks to be original. It centers up pretty nicely, but it is about .003" off. I figured out which jaw is causing the problem, and if I put in a .0025 to .0035 shim, it seems to zero it up to within .0005". Is there a rule of thumb for how accurate you need to be. Or in other words, what type of tolerances should I expect to get from the rest of the machine? I am pretty picky, and I'll keep playing with it until it is perfect, but I am not sure what perfect is. I'm thinking of purchasing a new chuck, they are a bit pricey, but will I get more accurate than .0005" right out of the box? MOst work, .003 isn't going to bother you, there are times when you'll want more accurate, but not as often as you'd think. Replacing it may be more than just unscrew the old one and put the new one on, most of them are furnished without the backplate, and to be accurate, it has to be fitted on the spindle that it will live on. The new chuck will be accurate out of the box, but your mounting will either make or break it. 5" seems a little small for this size lathe, but may have been the preference of the original owner. Buying a good chuck can make a lot of difference in the machine. If it's not mounted properly, it can be the source of endless frustration. |
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You are engaging the back gear drive when you pull this lever. You must then
retract the bull gear drive pin to allow this gear to rotate on the spindle. Otherwise you are locking the drive as you have experienced. Good luck. Ron Colonna |
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It also has a 3/4" leadscrew. So would this be considered a later model?
I think a better indicator is the thickness of the ways. Older machines have ways that are 3/8 thick. Newer machines have ways that are 1/2 inch thick. Not sure when the change was made, but I suspect in the 60s or 70s. I have a brand new lead screw for a Craftsman 12x36 manual change lathe. I paid 250 direct from clausing. I will sell for any reasonable offer. chuck |
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Does anyone know if an Atlas 10" leadscrew that came off a 48" bed would
work on a Craftsman 12" with a 42" bed. The distance between centers is 30" on both models, and they both have a 3/4" diameter. Could it possibly be machined to fit? Thanks. "Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message ... It also has a 3/4" leadscrew. So would this be considered a later model? I think a better indicator is the thickness of the ways. Older machines have ways that are 3/8 thick. Newer machines have ways that are 1/2 inch thick. Not sure when the change was made, but I suspect in the 60s or 70s. I have a brand new lead screw for a Craftsman 12x36 manual change lathe. I paid 250 direct from clausing. I will sell for any reasonable offer. chuck |
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Terry G wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I will do just that, run it as it sits, and then see how I like it. I agree about the QC box. I don't see myself doing much over 1/2" either. I do have a project I'm working on that needs 3/4" threads on the outside of a thick wall tube, so that will probably be my first attempt at threading. I am in the process of completely stripping down the lathe, and cleaning it. I finished the tailstock, and I am almost done with the complete carriage assembly. It looks like there really was 60 years of grease and grime inside that thing. I took every bit of it apart, and scrubbed, cleaned, and chiseled away. Everything inside now looks brand new, and I got to see how everything works, and what exactly needs replacing to get rid of some of the backlash in the cross slide assemblies. I cam across one questions on the headstock gears. There is a spindle with two gears on it, a large one and a smaller one which is not currently engaged (located between the rear pulley and the chuck spindle). To engage them, you turn a small handle right next to the chuck. The previous owner engaged them for me, and showed me how slow the chuck would spin. It worked as some sort of gear reduction. But for the life of me, I can not get it to work now. When I pull the lever forward (towards me) I see the two gears engage onto the chuck spindle gears. They both engage at the same time. But as soon as this happens, everything locks up. I can not spin the chuck or anything. And I can not see how engaging this thing would give me a lower RPM. I spend about an hour looking at it and studying the exploded diagram I have, but no luck. Can somebody school me on this. To get the back gears to work you have to disengage the main pulley . There is a brass pin on the front side of the pulley . Just pull it out with your fingers , then the back gears will work fine . When you want the faster speeds again the pin will go back in at two different places 180 degrees apart . Does not matter which . Just turn the spindle by hand while pressing lightly on the pin and you can feel when its in the right place . Also it will go in a lot further , push it as far in as it will go . I have a parts diagram from Clausing that I can check part numbers on and see if the leadscrew is the same for the 10 and the 12 . I would guess it is . The problem is I don't have that list at the moment as I lent it out but will check when I get it back . If you need to know sooner call up Clausing they are very helpfull . Oh yea one more little note . There is an allen screw on the main pulley , remove it every so often and put some oil in there . It is not a set screw . When the pulley is free it does need some lubricant in there . http://www.clausing-industrial.com/index.htm Luck Ken Cutt |
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