Daniel Tasch wrote in news:44392a10_5
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I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some
sort
of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some sort
of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch

Yep same smell here, I thought it was the smell of cheap labor??
"Anthony" wrote in message
...
Daniel Tasch wrote in news:44392a10_5
@newsfeed.slurp.net:

I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some
sort
of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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Daniel Tasch

@newsfeed.slurp.net:

I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some
sort
of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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I always attributed it to the funky grade of rubber they use. I think they
make it out of the same stuff their cardboard is made of only black.
Steve

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:47:06 GMT, the renowned Anthony
wrote:

Daniel Tasch wrote in news:44392a10_5
:

I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some
sort
of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

And Chinese rubber typically seems to reek of charcoal.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
snip-------

Luckily, the smell goes away
within a few weeks, but when I brought home those twenty 5' casters,
the shop reeked bad for over a week.


Man, oh man! What size project are you working on?

5' Casters? :-)

Harold

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:32:49 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
snip-------

Luckily, the smell goes away
within a few weeks, but when I brought home those twenty 5' casters,
the shop reeked bad for over a week.

Man, oh man! What size project are you working on?

Portable nano galaxy?


5' Casters? :-)

Hey, who stole my shift key? That was supposed to be 5".

I'm sure I couldn't get 20 5' casters in the shop even if it -weren't-
filled to the brim with unfinished projects whose necessity level
changes daily. I went hiking yesterday and fulfilled other higher-
level necessities with my GF. (though I'm fairly sure that mooning
airplanes from the mountain top wasn't the intended outcome)


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"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:47:06 GMT, the renowned Anthony
wrote:

Daniel Tasch wrote in news:44392a10_5
:

I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some
sort
of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

And Chinese rubber typically seems to reek of charcoal.

Ivanko claims the Chinese will sometimes get rid of waste oil by
incorporating it into their rubber products:
http://www.ivankobarbell.com/PDF/Ivanko_rev.pdf

Not sure if it's true or just a marketing scare.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
snip-----

I went hiking yesterday and fulfilled other higher-
level necessities with my GF. (though I'm fairly sure that mooning
airplanes from the mountain top wasn't the intended outcome)


Makes no difference. Everyone needs a hobby. Yours just happens to be
mooning airplanes.

It is, isn't it? :-)

I had a hunch those casters weren't *really* 5', but then I don't like to
jump to conclusions. Like assuming one's hobby.

H

Larry Jaques wrote:
I went hiking yesterday and fulfilled other higher-
level necessities with my GF. (though I'm fairly sure that mooning
airplanes from the mountain top wasn't the intended outcome)

As long as you don't have a laser pointer suppository, it's acceptable.

ATP* wrote:
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:47:06 GMT, the renowned Anthony
wrote:


Daniel Tasch wrote in news:44392a10_5
:


I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some

sort

of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

And Chinese rubber typically seems to reek of charcoal.


Ivanko claims the Chinese will sometimes get rid of waste oil by
incorporating it into their rubber products:
http://www.ivankobarbell.com/PDF/Ivanko_rev.pdf

Not sure if it's true or just a marketing scare.

I'd like to know what the Russians use in their
camera leather that's so rank. Used cutting oil?

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:43:22 -0700, the renowned Jim Stewart
wrote:

ATP* wrote:
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:47:06 GMT, the renowned Anthony
wrote:


Daniel Tasch wrote in news:44392a10_5
:


I have purchased several items from Harbor Freight and they all have a
very distinct smell. I bought a couple of cheap strap wrenches and I
could literally smell them from feet away. It wears off after a while,
but I'm wondering just exactly what it might be. I'm thinking some

sort

of bug spray or fumigation stuff they spray into the containers to
prevent those Chinese bugs from getting into the USA.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any idea what it might be????


--
Dan Tasch


cosmoline, used to prevent rust while on the ship.

And Chinese rubber typically seems to reek of charcoal.


Ivanko claims the Chinese will sometimes get rid of waste oil by
incorporating it into their rubber products:
http://www.ivankobarbell.com/PDF/Ivanko_rev.pdf

Not sure if it's true or just a marketing scare.

I'd like to know what the Russians use in their
camera leather that's so rank. Used cutting oil?

Animal urine, perhaps. It's still used for tanning leather in central
Asia. Get it wet and a bit of the essence is released.

I believe it is pesticide...handle your Chinese treasures accordingly.

Any and all wood crating coming from Asia is supposed to be heat
treated to prevent bad bugs from getting over to the United States...it
only slows them down...sooner or latter you have a unwanted hitchhiker
who makes it to the Promised Land.

One side effect of the "One World" effort on trade is that those who
import the most get the most unwelcomed guests. The United States is
spending countless billions on trying to keep uninvited insects, plants
and animals from destroying native life and the industries that depend
on them.

Of course the companies that are benefitting from the imports are not
paying for the damage...only the taxpayer.

TMT

On 10 Apr 2006 10:25:44 -0700, the renowned "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

I believe it is pesticide...handle your Chinese treasures accordingly.

Any and all wood crating coming from Asia is supposed to be heat
treated to prevent bad bugs from getting over to the United States...it
only slows them down...sooner or latter you have a unwanted hitchhiker
who makes it to the Promised Land.

One side effect of the "One World" effort on trade is that those who
import the most get the most unwelcomed guests. The United States is
spending countless billions on trying to keep uninvited insects, plants
and animals from destroying native life and the industries that depend
on them.

Of course the companies that are benefitting from the imports are not
paying for the damage...only the taxpayer.

TMT

Hunh? Who do you think pays for methyl bromide etc. fumigation and all
the ancilliary costs (markings, documentation, records, etc.)? It's
certainly not the taxpayer. Not directly, only through the cost of
goods, so the guy who just wants to buy a lathe is probably shelling
out an extra $20 to subsidize the farmers who would be upset with a
new beetle or whatever.



Best regards,
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

You obviously need to do your homework.

Foreign pests cost the United States BILLIONS of dollars a year...and
directly cost you by increasing the price of everything you buy.

I could continue to discuss the details but you have already made it
clear that you are a shortsighted consumer who is thinking of nothing
but himself...enjoy your Chinese junk that you think is a bargain..the
initial cost you pay is but the beginning of what it ends up costing
you.

TMT

On 10 Apr 2006 12:31:37 -0700, the renowned "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

You obviously need to do your homework.

Foreign pests cost the United States BILLIONS of dollars a year...and
directly cost you by increasing the price of everything you buy.

I could continue to discuss the details but you have already made it
clear that you are a shortsighted consumer who is thinking of nothing
but himself...enjoy your Chinese junk that you think is a bargain..the
initial cost you pay is but the beginning of what it ends up costing
you.

TMT

But what's the 'true cost' of your socialism?

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
oups.com...
I believe it is pesticide...handle your Chinese treasures accordingly.

Any and all wood crating coming from Asia is supposed to be heat
treated to prevent bad bugs from getting over to the United
States...it
only slows them down...sooner or latter you have a unwanted hitchhiker
who makes it to the Promised Land.

One side effect of the "One World" effort on trade is that those who
import the most get the most unwelcomed guests. The United States is
spending countless billions on trying to keep uninvited insects,
plants
and animals from destroying native life and the industries that depend
on them.

Of course the companies that are benefitting from the imports are not
paying for the damage...only the taxpayer.

TMT

Keep in mind that EVERYTHING sent out of the US gets the same treatment.
All wood skids/crates or other has to be either fumigated irradiated or
made from wood products that have been treated. I just shipped a couple
engines out to Europe and I had to deal with this crap. Not a lot of
fun. Finally found a plastic skid, bolted them down and crated over the
top. Then shipped them out.



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"Keep in mind that EVERYTHING sent out of the US gets the same
treatment.
All wood skids/crates or other has to be either fumigated irradiated or

made from wood products that have been treated. I just shipped a couple

engines out to Europe and I had to deal with this crap. Not a lot of
fun. Finally found a plastic skid, bolted them down and crated over the

top. Then shipped them out. "

I agree it is a hassle...that is the price of international trade

My point is that whoever IMPORTS the most is the most at the greatest
risk...guess who that is?

Also consider the "quality and care" that the cheap imports are
given...well does it stand to reason that the preparation for shipping
is done with similar lack of care?

Ever notice that we are having more and more recalls for dangerous
products...and that most of them are imported? Ever hear of a recall
for products for injurous alien intruders like insects, fungi or plant
material? No, you only hear about the damage caused when the genie is
out of the bottle.

TMT

"But what's the 'true cost' of your socialism? "

Ah yes....a capitalist...as long as you get yours and screw the rest of
us who are damaged by your greed life is good.

If you truly believed in capitalism you would be in China right
now...no environment controls, no social programs, slave labor,
etc....just think of the fun life you could have as an employee of the
company who built your "bargain" lathe?

History shows that that if you paid the real cost for your bargain it
would prove to be no bargain...so the true cost of your capitalism is
more than my cost of my "socialism".

And history tends to repeat itself and those who do not learn from it
are doomed to suffer the same fate again.

TMT

On 10 Apr 2006 19:21:13 -0700, the renowned "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

"But what's the 'true cost' of your socialism? "

Ah yes....a capitalist

and proud of it.

...as long as you get yours and screw the rest of
us who are damaged by your greed life is good.

Damaged by getting the stuff you want and need at a price you want to
pay? You'd be a damn sight more damaged if you didn't have access to
the products of lightly regulated capitalism. Shops in communist-era
Eastern Europe were not very inviting. Moldy cabbage and rusty cans of
corned beef?

If you truly believed in capitalism you would be in China right
now...

Quite possibly. There are visas and other legal and language barriers
for foreigners. Taiwanese are excepted so there are probably literally
millions of them there now.

no environment controls, no social programs, slave labor,

Not that bad. More like 1950s America. A lot like the 'good old days'.

etc....just think of the fun life you could have as an employee of the
company who built your "bargain" lathe?

S/he will have a better life building lathes in a factory than
backbreaking labor 12 hours a day in the fields. They can blow their
money at the disco, buy bootleg DVDs and hang around the internet cafe
smoking and playing online games when they're not in the company
dorms. It's win-win.

History shows that that if you paid the real cost for your bargain it
would prove to be no bargain...so the true cost of your capitalism is
more than my cost of my "socialism".

This "real cost" thing bothers me, which is why I'm yanking your chain
a bit. It seems to be used by people who like to try to stop things
they don't like and promote subsidies on things they do like, rather
than those who like to build things. Like nuclear power. What's the
real cost of conserving-- using, say, 20% less energy, on the whole
economy? Nobody knows, but people still yack about it endlessly.

In the wall-wart thread we see that one US state (California) is
imposing mandatory efficiency standards this year that will probably
ripple through the entire industry since nobody wants to be shut out
of California. It's perhaps a good choice if electricity costs are
high, but the government is deciding to effectively force people to
buy better products under the assumption they are too stupid to do so
by themselves. Similarly, the RoHS laws in the EU are forcing
virtually all major manufacturers from China to the US to eliminate
lead-based solder and materials in components. More expensive and (at
least initially) worse reliability, and the costs of change- so when
stuff is thrown in the trash less leaches out. Is that a good
decision? We're going to pay the price (and get most of the benefits)
even without actively making the decison. The fumigation and
associated documentation and marking rules penalizes one area of
business (perhaps a relatively small amount) *indefinitely* to prevent
a possible one-time serious cost to another area of business
(agriculture) if a new pest has to be dealt with in the environment.
I'm just not 100% sure the government always makes the best long-term
choices for its subjects. Informing (eg. the energy consumption
ratings on appliances) is one thing, compelling people by force to do
things is another.

And history tends to repeat itself and those who do not learn from it
are doomed to suffer the same fate again.

TMT


Best regards,
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--
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Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
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Chain pulling???...LOL..I thought we were having a spirited
discussion...LOL

Whether or not you realize it I too am a capitalist...who believes in
playing on a level playing field.

If China was manufacturing in similar conditions per the countries that
they sell to, the price of the product would not be cheaper. Our
manufacturers are dropping their problems on others while reaping the
rewards now...there is always a time where the problems come due.

If you live in a first world country including the United States, you
benefit from "socialist" programs.

They allow you to have the means to buy your Chinese produced products.

People are too stupid to buy better products...and companies go to
great lengths to prevent the consumer who cares from determining what
products are better.

As for the lead issue, it is a real problem. If you don't believe so, I
have some white lead paint you can chew on...I understand it is sweet
and causes one to vote Republican. LOL

For what it is worth, I don't care to be told what to do either...I
believe in free choice but I also know that I will pay more now to
avoid a problem later (lead problem)...and my observation of human
nature tells me that is an exception to what most people do.

TMT

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:06:38 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:


And history tends to repeat itself and those who do not learn from it
are doomed to suffer the same fate again.

TMT

Indeed. Communism died with the USSR, and Socialism is faltering.

Keep it in mind.

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

"Indeed. Communism died with the USSR, and Socialism is faltering.

Keep it in mind.

Gunner "

I would disagree Gunner....communism/socialism is alive and well in
Washington, D. C....it just has a different name and a different elite.

TMT

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
snip-------

Luckily, the smell goes away


within a few weeks, but when I brought home those twenty 5' casters,
the shop reeked bad for over a week.




Man, oh man! What size project are you working on?

5' Casters? :-)



Gotta be a locomotive, and 1:1 scale!

Jon

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:27:28 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Socialism is faltering.

I suggest you print that out and put a map with directions to the
undertaker on the back. Have the local hospital keep it on file so
that they'll have quick access the next time you show up clutching
your chest and with nothing in your pockets but a pack of Marlboros.

Wayne

"wmbjk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:27:28 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Socialism is faltering.

I suggest you print that out and put a map with directions to the
undertaker on the back. Have the local hospital keep it on file so
that they'll have quick access the next time you show up clutching
your chest and with nothing in your pockets but a pack of Marlboros.

Wayne

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:16:44 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"wmbjk" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:27:28 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Socialism is faltering.

I suggest you print that out and put a map with directions to the
undertaker on the back. Have the local hospital keep it on file so
that they'll have quick access the next time you show up clutching
your chest and with nothing in your pockets but a pack of Marlboros.

Wayne

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

Sure am. Though Ive backed off a bunch. Im gonna have to see a
hynotist I think. Nothing else works. I tried Tic Tacs, Altoids, the
Patch..you name it.

All that happened is Im up to 3 packs of TicTacs, 2 cans of Altoids a
day and got a rash on my arm.

Gunner, who is paying his own medical bills.

Slowly..very slowly

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:16:44 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"wmbjk" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:27:28 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Socialism is faltering.

I suggest you print that out and put a map with directions to the
undertaker on the back. Have the local hospital keep it on file so
that they'll have quick access the next time you show up clutching
your chest and with nothing in your pockets but a pack of Marlboros.

Wayne

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

Sure am. Though Ive backed off a bunch. Im gonna have to see a
hynotist I think. Nothing else works. I tried Tic Tacs, Altoids, the
Patch..you name it.

All that happened is Im up to 3 packs of TicTacs, 2 cans of Altoids a
day and got a rash on my arm.

Gunner, who is paying his own medical bills.

Slowly..very slowly

I understand it can be tough. Maybe the hypnotist will solve the riddle.
Think of the extra bread you'll have for the good stuff if you can kick that
damned habit. Should be an encouragement. .

I figured you'd be handling the bills------there's a big difference between
someone that's a deadbeat and someone that's run a streak of bad luck.
Hang in there and keep doing your best. Who amongst us can find fault with
those that try?

Harold

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:18:42 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:16:44 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"wmbjk" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:27:28 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Socialism is faltering.

I suggest you print that out and put a map with directions to the
undertaker on the back. Have the local hospital keep it on file so
that they'll have quick access the next time you show up clutching
your chest and with nothing in your pockets but a pack of Marlboros.

Wayne

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

Sure am. Though Ive backed off a bunch. Im gonna have to see a
hynotist I think. Nothing else works. I tried Tic Tacs, Altoids, the
Patch..you name it.

All that happened is Im up to 3 packs of TicTacs, 2 cans of Altoids a
day and got a rash on my arm.

Gunner, who is paying his own medical bills.

Slowly..very slowly

I understand it can be tough. Maybe the hypnotist will solve the riddle.
Think of the extra bread you'll have for the good stuff if you can kick that
damned habit. Should be an encouragement. .

Biggest issue..is that I LIKE smoking. I enjoy it.

I figured you'd be handling the bills------there's a big difference between
someone that's a deadbeat and someone that's run a streak of bad luck.
Hang in there and keep doing your best. Who amongst us can find fault with
those that try?

Harold

Too many responsiblities..taking care of too many people I Have to
take care of..been doing it for a long time..no one else will.

Gunner



"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:22:45 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:18:42 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:

Gunner, who is paying his own medical bills.

Slowly..very slowly

Biggest issue..is that I LIKE smoking. I enjoy it.

I did, too, until I changed my attitude. I slowed down for several
months, moving from over 2 packs of 100s per day down to half a pack.
Then I got sick with the flu and didn't want to smoke for a few days.
That's when I decided to quit for good and never looked back. I never
want to smell like a dirty ashtray again!

I chewed gum for a few months, but the biggest and easiest modifier
was to simply walk outside and take a few deep lungfuls of fresh air
whenever I felt like a smoke. That did the final trick.

Quitting smoking is a decision. Make that once and you're home free,
Gunner. Of course, it helps if nobody else in the house smokes.

I think quitting cigs was harder than quitting alcohol. (Thank God I
didn't give up women. My new GF is just great.)


I figured you'd be handling the bills------there's a big difference between
someone that's a deadbeat and someone that's run a streak of bad luck.
Hang in there and keep doing your best. Who amongst us can find fault with
those that try?

Not I, Harold.


Too many responsiblities..taking care of too many people I Have to
take care of..been doing it for a long time..no one else will.

Feeding and housing eleven hundred and sixty seven cats might be
another drain on your pocketbook, G-man. Just an observation.

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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:22:45 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:18:42 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:

Gunner, who is paying his own medical bills.

Slowly..very slowly

Biggest issue..is that I LIKE smoking. I enjoy it.

I did, too, until I changed my attitude. I slowed down for several
months, moving from over 2 packs of 100s per day down to half a pack.
Then I got sick with the flu and didn't want to smoke for a few days.
That's when I decided to quit for good and never looked back. I never
want to smell like a dirty ashtray again!

I chewed gum for a few months, but the biggest and easiest modifier
was to simply walk outside and take a few deep lungfuls of fresh air
whenever I felt like a smoke. That did the final trick.

Quitting smoking is a decision. Make that once and you're home free,
Gunner. Of course, it helps if nobody else in the house smokes.

Yep. I smoked 20 years, spent the 2nd decade trying to quit, telling
myself "I'm smarter than this!". Probably "quit" 100 times (just like WC
Fields). But you know you're out of the woods when you start thinking
of yourself as a NON-smoker, rather than a smoker who has 'quit'.

I think quitting cigs was harder than quitting alcohol. (Thank God I
didn't give up women. My new GF is just great.)

Well, I still like a cold beer, and it's a sin to eat Italian without a
good wine. But I'd give up both to keep my wife around, if it came to that.


Rex

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:22:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..

Socialism is faltering.

Gunner, who is paying his own medical bills.

Slowly..very slowly

Biggest issue..is that I LIKE smoking. I enjoy it.

You should take a comealong and some chain with you next hospital
visit so the docs can perform a denialectomy. Because you've forgotten
snorf the reason you have the opportunity to pay later despite your
making it likely that round two will come before round one is paid
off. It's because society's socialist bent forces the hospital and
doctors to extend credit that you'd never qualify for at a bank. So
when the subject of socialism comes up, your logical comment should be
"thank goodness, because without it my kid and his kid would be
homeless and starving, and my wife and I would both be dead".

Wayne

Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:16:44 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

Sure am. Though Ive backed off a bunch. Im gonna have to see a
hynotist I think. Nothing else works. I tried Tic Tacs, Altoids, the
Patch..you name it.

change brands. go to something like 'american spirits'
that have no additives, it was much easier for me to
cut down and then eventually quit. altho they still taste
good (after 3 years).

the best time to quit is when you have that really nasty
cold where nothing tastes good and you only smoke cause
you feel like you should. and yes i did actually wait
for that to happen.



laz

Laszlo Nemeth wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:16:44 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

Sure am. Though Ive backed off a bunch. Im gonna have to see a
hynotist I think. Nothing else works. I tried Tic Tacs, Altoids, the
Patch..you name it.

change brands. go to something like 'american spirits'
that have no additives, it was much easier for me to
cut down and then eventually quit. altho they still taste
good (after 3 years).

the best time to quit is when you have that really nasty
cold where nothing tastes good and you only smoke cause
you feel like you should. and yes i did actually wait
for that to happen.

Yep, I agree.
I quit at least 15 times that way

When I finally put them down for good, I had spent Saturday night
drinking and smoking at a shindig our company puts on for it's
customers once a year. I was wining and dining and BSing (I was in
sales) till the wee hours, then went to a Cowboys game the next day. I
felt like death warmed over all day, mouth tasted like an ashtray, and
the mere sight of a cigarette (or alcohol) was repugnant to me. It was a
couple of days before I was "right" again, but by then the urges had
passed and I never craved nicotine again.
Now I can't stand the smell of them, it actually gives me flu-like
symptoms.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:36:18 -0600, Laszlo Nemeth
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:16:44 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:

Wow! That's a tough shot, but, all too true!

You still suckin' on those cigi's, Gunner? :-)

Harold

Sure am. Though Ive backed off a bunch. Im gonna have to see a
hynotist I think. Nothing else works. I tried Tic Tacs, Altoids, the
Patch..you name it.

change brands. go to something like 'american spirits'
that have no additives, it was much easier for me to
cut down and then eventually quit. altho they still taste
good (after 3 years).
I haven't got the guts to see whether or not the still taste good, I'm
afraid they will; after 13 years.

the best time to quit is when you have that really nasty
cold where nothing tastes good and you only smoke cause
you feel like you should. and yes i did actually wait
for that to happen.



laz

Gerry :-)}
London, Canada