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Selection for Small Forklifts
I am interested in learning what is available for a SMALL forklift to
be used in a HSM environment. Requirements would be a weight range of up to 3000 pounds and the need to cover soft ground (i.e. one's backyard). For power, it would be nice to be either LPG or electric because of the intermittent usage expected. Total weight would be considered because one might want to bring it along to load auction wins...the heavier the forklift, the less one would have left to load on the trailer for machines before reaching the weight limit of the trailer. While on the subject, what is the SMALLEST forklift available in the used market? Thanks TMT |
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Most old, cheap, available forklifts that are electric or propane
will probably have hard tires as used on concrete. They will not have the large pneumatics required for dirt. The electrics require a huge set of batteries (expensive) and the charger system to go with them. Propane is just a gas engine (often dual fueled) with a lot more things to go wrong. You may be better off looking at skid steers (bobcat type loader) with a set of forks. An old, small rig should be inexpensive, fairly easy to trailer, and you might be able to rent it out to the neighbors for other tasks. ______________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . . DanG (remove the sevens) "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com... I am interested in learning what is available for a SMALL forklift to be used in a HSM environment. Requirements would be a weight range of up to 3000 pounds and the need to cover soft ground (i.e. one's backyard). For power, it would be nice to be either LPG or electric because of the intermittent usage expected. Total weight would be considered because one might want to bring it along to load auction wins...the heavier the forklift, the less one would have left to load on the trailer for machines before reaching the weight limit of the trailer. While on the subject, what is the SMALLEST forklift available in the used market? Thanks TMT |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am interested in learning what is available for a SMALL forklift to be used in a HSM environment. Requirements would be a weight range of up to 3000 pounds and the need to cover soft ground (i.e. one's backyard). For power, it would be nice to be either LPG or electric because of the intermittent usage expected. Total weight would be considered because one might want to bring it along to load auction wins...the heavier the forklift, the less one would have left to load on the trailer for machines before reaching the weight limit of the trailer. While on the subject, what is the SMALLEST forklift available in the used market? Thanks TMT The closest thing to what you want is the "Spider" lifts that you see stuck on the back of delivery semis. You aren't likely to find them on the used market for a while and they won't be cheap. Nearly everything on the used market will be a hard tire, low clearance unit that requires a good paved surface. These units vastly outnumber rough terrain units and so the few rough terrain units that make it to the used market are either very expensive or very beat. As has been noted, a skid steer with forks is good for rough terrain however the skid steers are still quite expensive used if they have any life left in them, and forks for them would be a rare find used since they aren't all that popular and whoever has them will typically use them on their next skid steer. The best you can do at reasonable cost is to have a stack of plywood to make a temporary road for a hard tire forklift when you need to go off pavement. A double layer of 1/2" plywood (overlapped seams of course) will handle a small forklift on reasonably solid ground. A full sit down forklift is likely to weigh over 10,000# so they are not transportable in any useful way for the average HSM. The walk behind or stand up riding (I have a stand up rider) are going to be the lightest for any given capacity since they have forward outriggers and don't have to rely on counterweight. Even the non-sitdown forklifts are not light. My 3,000# cap Yale electric stand up rider weighs about 6,300# so just the forklift will take up the capacity of a typical flatbed trailer. If you have an alternate way to unload the trailer at home such as a gantry and chain hoist you could potentially move things in two trips. The better solution is to get a decent forklift for use at the home shop only and a pallet jack and lifting gantry or engine hoist to carry on your trailer. A pallet jack and a lifting gantry or engine hoist are the lightest most capable and most transportable rigging equipment. Pete C. |
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Thanks for the discussion Pete...I think I am arriving at the same
conclusion as you have. I posted the topic to see if I had been overlooking something. What weight range would you recommend for the pallet jack/gantry/hoist? Any favorite brands? Any combination lifting device you like? TMT |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Thanks for the discussion Pete...I think I am arriving at the same conclusion as you have. I posted the topic to see if I had been overlooking something. What weight range would you recommend for the pallet jack/gantry/hoist? Any favorite brands? Any combination lifting device you like? TMT Any of the regular 5,000+ capacity pallet jacks should be just fine. I have a 5,500# generic one that works well. The usual assortment of engine hoists are also good, wider leg spacing is helpful. I don't have a lifting gantry yet, but I'd think any of the available 2T rated units would be good. I've built quick tripod supports for a chain hoist a few times with good results. Another thing that is very useful is one of the 4T (or 10T) portable hydraulic kits. One of these and a good assortment of 2x and 4x cribbing can let you gradually lift just about anything so that you can get it on the pallet jack for mobility. A good long digging / chisel bar helps lift things enough to get the hydraulics in place. Another great thing to have in the rigging kit besides the obvious slings / chains / shackles / cargo straps is a collection of Unistrut (or equiv.) components. I have a toolbox full of 1/2" bolts, nuts, washers, Unistrut nuts, Unistrut connector plates in various styles and some 12" and 24" lengths of 1/2" threaded rod. This stuff is great for rigging supports, load spreaders and other temporary constructions. One or two of the generic ratchet cable pullers, a Hi-Lift mechanical jack and some good sturdy vehicle type stands round out the kit pretty well. One other item that is useful is a regular rope type block and tackle or a small electric winch with a chain type base. Very useful for getting things up and down long trailer ramps where stopping and re-rigging short pull units is a pain. Pete C. |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ... Too_Many_Tools wrote: I am interested in learning what is available for a SMALL forklift to be used in a HSM environment. Requirements would be a weight range of up to 3000 pounds and the need to cover soft ground (i.e. one's backyard). For power, it would be nice to be either LPG or electric because of the intermittent usage expected. Total weight would be considered because one might want to bring it along to load auction wins...the heavier the forklift, the less one would have left to load on the trailer for machines before reaching the weight limit of the trailer. While on the subject, what is the SMALLEST forklift available in the used market? Thanks TMT The closest thing to what you want is the "Spider" lifts that you see stuck on the back of delivery semis. You aren't likely to find them on the used market for a while and they won't be cheap. Nearly everything on the used market will be a hard tire, low clearance unit that requires a good paved surface. These units vastly outnumber rough terrain units and so the few rough terrain units that make it to the used market are either very expensive or very beat. As has been noted, a skid steer with forks is good for rough terrain however the skid steers are still quite expensive used if they have any life left in them, and forks for them would be a rare find used since they aren't all that popular and whoever has them will typically use them on their next skid steer. I have a 743 Bobcat and forks. The capacity is limited and any undulations in the ground complicate manuevers with a load. The 800 series can pick up a lot more, but less than a small forklift. Visibility is limited when the forks are at box truck height. You will save yourself a lot of trouble if you buy a trailer that has no or very low sides. The typical cheapo Doolittle type landscape trailer with the tube rail along the sides complicates loading and unloading tremendously. |
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This is what I use now... Mask is off an electric forklift... http://user.pa.net/~kbeitz/Kevin/Tra...%20Gravely.JPG http://user.pa.net/~kbeitz/Kevin/Tra...20trimming.JPG http://user.pa.net/~kbeitz/Kevin/Tra...the%20move.JPG Another idea.... http://user.pa.net/~kbeitz/Kevin/Tra...attachment.JPG http://user.pa.net/~kbeitz/Kevin/Tra...s/Forklift.JPG http://user.pa.net/~kbeitz/Kevin/Tra...Going%20up.JPG |
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