We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

B.B. wrote:
We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

He may already have you in his sights for a lawsuit. And an arm in the
sling is just asking of rmore trouble. Get yourself a spy camera and
record him using that arm.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

In article . com,
wrote:

B.B. wrote:
We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

He may already have you in his sights for a lawsuit. And an arm in the
sling is just asking of rmore trouble. Get yourself a spy camera and
record him using that arm.

Right. And find out who treated him at what hospital.

This pattern also sounds like the employee could be an alcoholic.

Joe Gwinn

Just went through something like that at my work and I'd hate to say it but
"The tie goes to the loser" which means he's right until proven wrong. All
you can do is document, document, document..

Normally when you hire someone they have a three month trial period, if this
hasn't been reached get rid of him before it gets really expensive.

"B.B." u wrote in message
news
We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

I'll let you know after the next (sixth) hearing that if I loose, will cost
me $100K Doesn't matter that I won the first five rounds and he can STILL
appeal to Common Pleas Court.

Don't employ people, farm everything out that you can! With as few people
as possible left, make them partners.

(What ever you subsidize, you get more of...what ever you tax, you get less
of. Just convince the Dems of that)

fOn Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:07:18 -0500, the renowned Joseph Gwinn
wrote:

In article . com,
wrote:

B.B. wrote:
We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

He may already have you in his sights for a lawsuit. And an arm in the
sling is just asking of rmore trouble. Get yourself a spy camera and
record him using that arm.

But not in a washroom or other 'private' area.

Right. And find out who treated him at what hospital.

This pattern also sounds like the employee could be an alcoholic.

Joe Gwinn

This sounds like expensive trouble could be brewing if he has hooked
up with a dubious contingency-fee lawyer-- the kind of guy who might
tell him to stop skipping work etc.. Maybe better to treat him really
well while you are gathering information. I don't think there's any
such thing as a silly lawsuit from the plaintiff's perspective. 8-(


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:10:03 -0500, the renowned "HotRod"
wrote:

Just went through something like that at my work and I'd hate to say it but
"The tie goes to the loser" which means he's right until proven wrong. All
you can do is document, document, document..

Normally when you hire someone they have a three month trial period, if this
hasn't been reached get rid of him before it gets really expensive.

If you get rid of him now you can't easily continue to get
information, and may still be on the hook for the cost.

Consider how it looks on the face of it- loyal employee, gets injured
in an unsafe workplace, goes to emergency, requires further treatment
by a specialist, cannot work at 100% because of the injury, (say) has
serious continuing problems such as inability to feel fingers,
shooting pains, can't sleep etc. (all of it difficult to prove).

Then said loyal employee is callously dismissed by the money-hungry
employer the moment it becomes clear that he can't work at 100%-- when
the greedy employer was fully responsible for this man's injury.

Now, if this guy is laid off (or, worse, pressured to quit) he goes on
a dutiful job search (sits around at home drinking beer and watching
Oprah) and you end up paying for the whole thing and more.

A lot of the things that look so clear now will NOT look clear at the
time of discovery, and that's when many lawsuits are settled. It would
likely all come out in a trial when his lack of credibility would come
into serious play, but that's really, really expensive and really
risky.

--Kep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Sun Tzu (attrib.)


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

B.B. wrote:
We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

Whyinhell did you keep him on before he whacked his hand? I know that
letting someone go is hard, but geez.

Here's my suggestions:

* Don't play games. He's not, so you shouldn't. If he works his
deal right you'll be supporting him for a long, long time.
For our sakes, if not for yours, don't give him help with cheap
harassment.

* Get a lawyer. All the anti-lawyer wackos will crawl out of the
woodwork on this one, but: the legal process looks clear cut on
paper, but in reality it is strange and weird. You need a native
guide. They're called 'lawyers'. Get one _now_ to help you
figure out all the stuff you need to do so that if you let the
guy go all your 'i's are dotted and your 't's are crossed.

* Get a _good_ lawyer, who understands the process and knows how
to work on _this_ problem in _your_ jurisdiction. Ask all the local
businesses about your size doing similarly dangerous stuff. Look
for someone who seemed to get good results by competence. Getting
a bad one will make you start thinking like an anti-lawyer wacko.

* The hidden camera idea, as well as finding the doctor who treated
him, are good ideas. Your lawyer (if he's good) will know how you
should handle this sort of effort to best effect while minimizing
pitfalls.

* Remember that this guy is _purposely_ working the system
to make you fire him in a way that gets him lots of money. He
sounds like he knows the basics, and he may know a lot. You need
to learn the system, too, so you don't hand him what he wants on
a platter.

* Expect to pay the guy off. You've already let this go on too
long by letting him stay to whack his hand. You can stick to
it and 'win' eventually, but your victory will still cost an
arm and a leg. Even if you could sue him for court costs _He_
won't have any money to pay any judgments, so you'll be out.
Your lawyer (if he's good) will be able to give you guidance about
what's a good figure to settle for, and why.

* Next time when you hire a deadbeat let them go _before_ they start
the really funny stuff. While I've never had to fire anyone
directly (thank god) I've been involved in the process a number of
times. No one gets better by themselves. Many people will shape
up with talking to long before you have to threaten them with job
action. If they are bad enough that you do have to tell them to
shape up or ship out -- plan on shipping them out.

Good luck. This kind of stuff is the worst.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

"make them partners. "

Partners? Don't do it! With partners you are responsable for -all-
their debts personal as well as business related. I know. I learned
the hard way.

73 Gary

B.B. wrote:

We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

I'd get a sharp lawyer to draft a good release
then offer the guy $5000 to sign it and never
darken my door again.

snip
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?
=================
If you have not yet done so, run a quiet background check. He
[or close friend/relative] may have done this before. While
doing the quiet background check see what his current home
situation is. === Operative word here is "quiet." === Remember
what happened with Nader and GMC.

While he appears to be "using", he may also have a sick mother at
home, working three jobs etc. Is your shop starting to lose or
mislay more small high value items than usual? People that are
"using" [whatever] tend to always need money, either to support
their habit, or to payback their larger and more short tempered
"friends." Given your [possible] exposure for some serious loss,
I would not play games such as emotional harassment. Try to
think of him as a person with problems rather than as a "problem
person."

Paper the case, that is gather all the paperwork in one file,
keep a log in a bound book in indelible ink, sign and date each
entry, and see an attorney qualified in employment/termination
law *NOW!!!*

Also remember that he is not only affecting you and your
businesses, he is also affecting everyone else there too, and
these situations seem to *never* improve on their own, but only
get worse over time.

Good luck -- let us know how things turn out, and remember
anything you say [as in this news group] can be introduced in any
litigation. These are public statements and there is no right or
expectation of privacy. In many cases, its not what you do, it
the way that you do it, that determines legal liability.

Uncle George

Well, it sounds like you are in a "right to work" state. If you were in
a state like Oregon, you don't need a reason to let the guy go, just do
it.

Paul in Oregon


B.B. wrote:
We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

B.B. wrote:

We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?



My first question is:

Isn't Worker's Compensation insurance required in your state?

If it is, and you followed the law and paid the premiums then the
problem should be your insurance company's, not yours, except for
whatever impact any claims they pay out have on your future premiums.

If you do have Worker's Compensation insurance them make your concens
about this guy's possible malingering toyour insurer. They may well
decide to put an investigator on his tail and maybe secretely video him
hauling a full garbage can out to the street in front of his house with
that injured arm. They did that for me once.

Good luck, nobody ever proved it's a fair world, so try not to get too
****ed off by scum like that, it ain't worth it. The books eventually
balance for everyone.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

In article ,
B.B. says...

was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada.

That was the cheapest twenty bucks you ever spent. The guy
will not bother you again.

If you are a co-worker with this guy, then stay far away from
him in the future.

Jim


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"And what are some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without
leaving my ass hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit? "

I know it is tempting to go down this road but DON'T....it is the
fastest way to screw yourself over that I can think of.

To motivate yourself so you won't be tempted....just think of how
expensive it will be when a lawyer uses your actions against you.

There are some very good suggestionsbeing offered by others in this
discussion...I would act on them.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

TMT

"B.B." wrote:

We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

You're obviously not got enough to occupy yourself.
That $20 is the cheapest lesson you'll ever get as
regards learning not to lend money.

If you really want to pursue it a trifle further,
print out a statement publicly thanking him for
the lesson and post it around your place of work.

As for his work ethic, surely that's a matter for
management. If his work habits pose a danger to
yourself, complain to management.

Tom

wrote:
Well, it sounds like you are in a "right to work" state. If you were in
a state like Oregon, you don't need a reason to let the guy go, just do
it.

I know a guy who has done this a few times, and so far hasn't got
involved in a costly legal battle. But don't take this as advice
because (i) this happened in England, (ii) the guy let his bad
employees go very quickly, before the 6 months after which they get
additional rights, and (iii) the guy is naturally a risk-taker. Talk to
other employers in your state, assess the guy's personality, and if
it's getting bad hire a decent lawyer.

Good luck!

Chris

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:51:10 -0600, "B.B."
u wrote:

We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20. It
was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to some
other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not the
last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up that he
managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem to
mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what are
some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?

First thing you do is have him **** tested. He is either a drunk or a
doper from all indications. Or a gambler.

Ive seen all three show those symptoms

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Had a guy hurt his foot. Couldn't stand long, had to stay at home. One of
the guys went by his house and he was cutting the grass walking. Took
workman's comp for the full ride. Came back to work, boss fired him on the
spot. Said if he pulled anymore stuff on him he would take him to court.

I would offer the guy a better position which requires both hands and more
pay. Have him sign off on a release saying company is no longer libel. Fire
him first chance he hick-ups.

As for the twenty bucks, do what I did to a guy who owed me. Got on his
good side and told him let's go to lunch on payday, I'd buy. He jumped at it
and I hauled his ass to the bank and got my money. Kinda sneaky but I don't
like being took. I would have kicked him out of the car if he didn't pay
up. The look on his face was priceless, couldn't wipe my grin off for days.

Another guy did the same to me and said he wasn't going to pay off on a bet.
One day he was selling a scope for a rifle and I thought here is my chance.
Looked at the scope and told him I had the money in the car. Got in, cranked
it up and handed him the difference. Drove into the sunset. He was ****ed
but who cares.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. com...
| I'll let you know after the next (sixth) hearing that if I loose, will
cost
| me $100K Doesn't matter that I won the first five rounds and he can STILL
| appeal to Common Pleas Court.
|
| Don't employ people, farm everything out that you can! With as few people
| as possible left, make them partners.
|
| (What ever you subsidize, you get more of...what ever you tax, you get
less
| of. Just convince the Dems of that)

One more of the many reasons companies outsource overseas.....

"Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
"make them partners. "

Partners? Don't do it! With partners you are responsable for -all-
their debts personal as well as business related. I know. I learned
the hard way.

73 Gary


Minor stockholders?

Small clarification: I'm not the boss. The freeloader is just a
co-worker and I'm just curious about what may or may not happen. If I
were the boss I would have fired him a long time ago.
But I do get along with the boss well and I'll hand off the
suggestions.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

In article ,
B.B. says...


Small clarification: I'm not the boss.

STay away from the asshole then. There may be more going
on than you know. The fact that they've tolerated him this
long is a bad sign, he may be somebody's brother-in-law
or something.

That he *has* been tolerated that long is a bad sign
for your workplace. You may want to consider your
options.

Jim


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Jeff Wisnia wrote:
B.B. wrote:

We have a guy at work who's actually managed to transcend useless.
He does antiwork by virtue of being terrible at his job. Anyway, he's
pretty reliable about not showing up the day after his paycheck goes
through, slow, whiney, and generally a pain in the ass to have around.
About a month and a half ago he asked me if he could borrow $20.
It was two days before payday and I figured he'd pay me back at least
partially the day after the day after payday. Nope, nada. Since then
he's had a bunch of excuses but no money. I complained about it to
some other guys during lunch and learned that I was the first, but not
the last. The next day I researched around the yard and totaled up
that he managed to "borrow" close to $400.
But then it got better. He managed to whack himself in the finger
with a wrench a week ago and insisted on going to the emergency room.
The supervisor sent him just to get rid of him. Well, he returned two
days later with his whole arm bandaged up and in a sling. Since then
he's been at work doing even less than nothing since he can't use his
left arm until he sees a specialist. Oddly, this is the first
post-payday he's been at work. He sleeps a lot, and he doesn't seem
to mind using his left hand when he thinks nobody can see him.
So I was wondering, as an employer what are the options when an
employee pulls this sort of stunt? Are they just ****ed? And what
are some fun ways to emotionally abuse this guy without leaving my ass
hanging out for some sort of silly lawsuit?



My first question is:

Isn't Worker's Compensation insurance required in your state?

If it is, and you followed the law and paid the premiums then the
problem should be your insurance company's, not yours, except for
whatever impact any claims they pay out have on your future premiums.

If you do have Worker's Compensation insurance them make your concens
about this guy's possible malingering toyour insurer. They may well
decide to put an investigator on his tail and maybe secretely video him
hauling a full garbage can out to the street in front of his house with
that injured arm. They did that for me once.

Hey, the first good advice (aside from "get a lawyer"). LOML's a
worker's comp. paralegal and, aside from the (valid) concern that the
insurance company's dog is going to have the intelligence of a
rottweiler and muck things up, (s)he'll be mucking it up for the
insurance company (assuming you have insurance).

er
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jim rozen wrote:

In article ,
B.B. says...


Small clarification: I'm not the boss.


STay away from the asshole then. There may be more going
on than you know. The fact that they've tolerated him this
long is a bad sign, he may be somebody's brother-in-law
or something.

That he *has* been tolerated that long is a bad sign
for your workplace. You may want to consider your
option.

Damned good advice.

In article ,
jim rozen wrote:

In article ,
B.B. says...


Small clarification: I'm not the boss.

STay away from the asshole then. There may be more going
on than you know. The fact that they've tolerated him this
long is a bad sign, he may be somebody's brother-in-law
or something.

That he *has* been tolerated that long is a bad sign
for your workplace. You may want to consider your
options.

Jim

Yeah, the place I work at is pretty much a **** hole. Getting out is
high on my to-do list, but not quite at the top yet. Around May my
lease is up and I should have some money packed away, so getting a job
out of town will be an option. Dallas sucks a bunch, too.
It appears that we only fire people for stealing or getting caught
making fun of corporate. Here's a short rundown of some of the
neanderthals I work with:
The freeloader.
A guy who did nothing but oil changes for twenty years before coming
here. Straightened up after catching hell for being on his cell phone
at work every day. Has a "unique" way of doing things. For example,
saving himself ten minutes of work by sawing off some studs that then
take someone else close to ten hours to replace. Or letting down a jack
while I'm under a truck because he needs the jack and doesn't want to go
to the tool room on the other end of the shop. I had literally just
jacked up the truck and was putting in stands when he dropped it on me.
He also has interesting insights into women: "Why can't bitches
understand that we just want sex?" Constantly borrows tools because he
has almost none of his own. He's saving up for a face lift--I'm not
kidding.
The lummox who tried to cut off a 5/8 huck bolt by melting the entire
thing into slag that I had to then go torch off for him. I ****ed away
about a half an hour trying to explain to him how to adjust the torch
and then cut before I finally went in and did it myself. He then
stepped on my striker, said oops, jump off that, and landed on my
goggles. Guy can't work an engine hoist either--rather than letting a
300-lbs radiator down slowly, he dropped it onto my hands, then instead
of using the hoist to pick it back up tried to grab it, slid it
sideways, and managed to roll my arms underneath. I have purple rings
around both of my wrists from that--happened last night. He got ****ed
and stormed off when I yelled at him. Had to wait for someone else to
swing by before I could get my hands back out. He might actually get
fired for that move, but I'm not holding my breath.
A guy on the other shift who installed a transmission and crammed
standard bolts into metric holes all the way around. Same idiot who
drained pretty much every fluid in the truck for some unknown reason and
didn't tell anyone.
And one dude who can't troubleshoot to save his life. We blew away
over $1,000 in parts plus whatever labor came out to be on his diagnosis
when the actual problem was a $15 sensor that takes five minutes to
change. We've pulled perfectly good transmissions and differential
housings multiple times.
Then there's the asshole in the toolroom. On top of being an asshole
he doesn't maintain the tools. I set a truck down on a jackstand that
let out an unbelievable pop and just collapsed. The truck almost fell
over. Looking at the jackstand it had obviously had that crack for a
very long time. We all (just kidding--only some of us) now inspect the
jack stands before we use them.
Then there's me. I get hurt all of the time and constantly destroy
tools.
But by god can we change oil! Well, unless we run out, which happens
about once every five or six weeks. And we usually have to run down the
street for filters.
Actually, there are decent people here, and they're so good that they
compensate for the buffoons and keep the place running. But they've
been leaving in a steady stream since the place was sold to new
mismanagement.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

What don't you like about Dallas?

TMT

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:13:25 -0600, "B.B."
u wrote:
Small clarification: I'm not the boss. The freeloader is just a
co-worker and I'm just curious about what may or may not happen. If I
were the boss I would have fired him a long time ago.
But I do get along with the boss well and I'll hand off the
suggestions.
=========================
Follow Ann Landers advice and MYOB [mind your own business]. If
you are hourly he is simply making sure you have full-time
employment. In the old days, a smart manager/supervisor always
kept two or three "goats" so when the call came dow from above to
"cut expenses" [and it always does] they could lay of a few of
their people without affecting the department's
operations/workflow and anyones' life that they cared about.

Uncle George

In article . com,
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:

What don't you like about Dallas?

TMT

Pollution and noise.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

B.B. wrote:
In article . com,
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:


What don't you like about Dallas?

TMT


Pollution and noise.

add Traffic, excess light

They fired him. After pretending to be disabled for a week he failed
to bring any paperwork from the specialist he was supposed to see. In
fact, he didn't even show up this whole week. Boss called the emergency
room and they told him that the freeloader only had a bruise on his hand
and was sent home with a bottle of anti-inflammatories. (Is it even
legal for them to tell us that much? My boss only asked if the guy was
scheduled to see a specialist and was looking for confirmation that he
had actually seen the guy) So the boss called him and let him know that
once he's ready to show up at work again he can pick up his toolbox.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:13:15 -0600, the renowned "B.B."
u wrote:

They fired him. After pretending to be disabled for a week he failed
to bring any paperwork from the specialist he was supposed to see. In
fact, he didn't even show up this whole week. Boss called the emergency
room and they told him that the freeloader only had a bruise on his hand
and was sent home with a bottle of anti-inflammatories. (Is it even
legal for them to tell us that much? My boss only asked if the guy was
scheduled to see a specialist and was looking for confirmation that he
had actually seen the guy) So the boss called him and let him know that
once he's ready to show up at work again he can pick up his toolbox.

Heh. He didn't have the persistence to pull off anything that took
more than a couple of weeks of being on display. Figures.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: "B.B."
u writes on Sun, 22 Jan
2006 12:13:15 -0600 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
They fired him. After pretending to be disabled for a week he failed
to bring any paperwork from the specialist he was supposed to see. In
fact, he didn't even show up this whole week. Boss called the emergency
room and they told him that the freeloader only had a bruise on his hand
and was sent home with a bottle of anti-inflammatories. (Is it even
legal for them to tell us that much? My boss only asked if the guy was
scheduled to see a specialist and was looking for confirmation that he
had actually seen the guy) So the boss called him and let him know that
once he's ready to show up at work again he can pick up his toolbox.

Man, not like the good old days. we had real fakers in those days.

Guy at Boeing was there for 26 years. Worked the first two, then spent
the next 24 years with a mylar print and a worried expression, moving from
hidey place to hidey place.
I don't know what tripped him up - overslept?


tschus
pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:49:25 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: "B.B."
. ru writes on Sun, 22 Jan
2006 12:13:15 -0600 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
They fired him. After pretending to be disabled for a week he failed
to bring any paperwork from the specialist he was supposed to see. In
fact, he didn't even show up this whole week. Boss called the emergency
room and they told him that the freeloader only had a bruise on his hand
and was sent home with a bottle of anti-inflammatories. (Is it even
legal for them to tell us that much? My boss only asked if the guy was
scheduled to see a specialist and was looking for confirmation that he
had actually seen the guy) So the boss called him and let him know that
once he's ready to show up at work again he can pick up his toolbox.

Man, not like the good old days. we had real fakers in those days.

Guy at Boeing was there for 26 years. Worked the first two, then spent
the next 24 years with a mylar print and a worried expression, moving from
hidey place to hidey place.
I don't know what tripped him up - overslept?


tschus
pyotr

Good grief. That'd be the longest 24 years in history. There's no
day so long as one without enough to do.

Pete Keillor

Better to do nothing that spend a day doing a huge amount of stuff that
means nothing and doesnt challenge you.

I remember hearing some rhyme aboutt he ford assembly line about if you
put the 76 nut on the 76 line one more time you'll be the 76th nut on
the ford assembly line

And that was a manufacturing job let alone a paper pushing one

Snip
Man, not like the good old days. we had real fakers in those days.

Guy at Boeing was there for 26 years. Worked the first two, then spent
the next 24 years with a mylar print and a worried expression, moving from
hidey place to hidey place.
I don't know what tripped him up - overslept?


tschus
pyotr


Good grief. That'd be the longest 24 years in history. There's no
day so long as one without enough to do.

Pete Keillor

Man, not like the good old days. we had real fakers in those days.

Guy at Boeing was there for 26 years. Worked the first two, then spent
the next 24 years with a mylar print and a worried expression, moving from
hidey place to hidey place.
I don't know what tripped him up - overslept?


tschus
pyotr



Probably someone figured out they hadn't used mylar in years........

You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: yourname writes on Mon, 23 Jan 2006
19:00:48 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :


Man, not like the good old days. we had real fakers in those days.

Guy at Boeing was there for 26 years. Worked the first two, then spent
the next 24 years with a mylar print and a worried expression, moving from
hidey place to hidey place.
I don't know what tripped him up - overslept?


tschus
pyotr



Probably someone figured out they hadn't used mylar in years........

They're still using the mylar prints to check dimensions. least wise
our shop is.


--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Pete Keillor writes on Mon, 23
Jan 2006 06:50:07 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:49:25 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: "B.B."
.ru writes on Sun, 22 Jan
2006 12:13:15 -0600 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
They fired him. After pretending to be disabled for a week he failed
to bring any paperwork from the specialist he was supposed to see. In
fact, he didn't even show up this whole week. Boss called the emergency
room and they told him that the freeloader only had a bruise on his hand
and was sent home with a bottle of anti-inflammatories. (Is it even
legal for them to tell us that much? My boss only asked if the guy was
scheduled to see a specialist and was looking for confirmation that he
had actually seen the guy) So the boss called him and let him know that
once he's ready to show up at work again he can pick up his toolbox.

Man, not like the good old days. we had real fakers in those days.

Guy at Boeing was there for 26 years. Worked the first two, then spent
the next 24 years with a mylar print and a worried expression, moving from
hidey place to hidey place.
I don't know what tripped him up - overslept?


tschus
pyotr

Good grief. That'd be the longest 24 years in history. There's no
day so long as one without enough to do.

If you are someone who wants to do something. As I say about the comic
strip Andy Capp, it isn't that Andy doesn't want to work, it is just that
he has all these other activities which take up his time: snooker, chasing
girls, rugby or football, drinking beer, figuring the line on the ponies or
dog races - with all that, who has time for a regular job?

On the other hand I've heard stories of guys who spent the whole day in
the portapotties. Just changed from one latrine to the next. I suppose if
you had a Walkman and ear buds you could just sit back and enjoy the music.

On the gripping hand, I knew a guy who was an avionics tech, on the
night shift. They didn't get much in the way of work, so they tended to
just do, how did they phrase it? "Compressibility test" on the padded work
benches. Yeah, they slept on them. I've had a few days like that, too.

But as I've said, if the company wants to pay me to pick solids out of
the chips, "it could be worse", it could be for less money.

tschus
pyotr




--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."