Just spent two days in the shop working on a project that required extensive
angle cuts to make multiple pieces at all different kinds of finished
lengths. Started out with 10' long stock, and all cuts were angle cuts 45
degrees and others.
I used my 4x6 harbor freight special for these cuts and it was quite the
cluster... Spent more time in the set-up / tear down / set-up cycle than
actually cutting it seems like. Making various angle cuts required moving
all kinds of stuff in the shop to provided enough clearance for the stock
when mounted in the saw, as it was sticking out at various angles. Of course
you also have to pull the saw out away from the wall for more clearance.

Then there is the mucking around with vice angle each time, having to prop
the saw stand up on 2x4's because all my standard work supports are taller
than the saw bed etc.

Yeah, I know, the saw:
only cost ~$200
has 101 mods available to make it better.
has a large user base with info on the net.
yes, I'm using a good blade.
is a good value... etc, etc, etc.
However, I need to be working on my projects, not on the bandsaw itself.

The really cool thing is I'm off to the steel supplier this morning to get
three 20' sticks of material, all of which will be cut up at angles for this
project... fun stuff.

Then the 2006 Grizzly catalog arrived in the mail... and I see this:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G9742
specs:
Max. capacity rectangular @ 0 degrees: 5" x 6"
Max. capacity circular @ 0 degrees: 5"
Max. capacity rectangular @ ±45 degrees: 3-5/8" x 3"
Max. capacity circular @ ±45 degrees: 3-5/8"
Max. capacity rectangular @ +60 degrees: 2-3/16" x 2-3/16"
Max. capacity circular @ +60 degrees: 2-3/16"
Blade speeds: 80, 120, 200 FPM
Blade size: 64-1/2" x 1/2"
Motor: 1/3 HP, 110V/220V, 60Hz, 1720 RPM
Amps: 7/3.5
Drive: V-belt
Transmission: sealed worm gear
Overall height: horizontal 42-1/2"; vertical 54-3/4"
Height floor-to-table: 28-1/2"
Overall width: 15-3/16"
Overall length: 38-5/8"
Overall bed: 19-1/4" x 13-1/2" x 3"
Foot print: 27-3/4" x 17"
Angular cuts: -45 degrees to +60 degrees
Blade size: 1/2" x .025" x 64-1/2"
All ball bearing drive wheel and blade guides
Shipping weight approx.: 176 lbs.
$450

What a concept eh? Pivot the saw head about the material, vs pivot the
material about the stationary saw... Under perfect shop conditions a person
would leave the saw against the wall and have the material racks along the
same wall for feeding to the saw with minimal material handling. In my case
I store my material vertically and would still need to pull the saw away
from the wall a bit. But at least with this thing I would not have to be
flipping the material around and clearing a 15' circle around the saw to get
the job done.

What am I missing here, besides being a bit more expensive than the 4x6?
There must be some catch that I'm overlooking. Why are these not more
popular? It seems like for a crowded home shop situation this would be a
beneficial bandsaw design? Maybe the pivot does not hold fast resulting in
inaccurate cuts?

It looks to me like this saw uses basically the same head unit as the 4x6
saw.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G1010
specs:
Capacity: 4-1/2" round, 4" x 6" rectangular
Blade speeds: 80, 120, 220 FPM
Blade size: 64-1/2" x 1/2"
Motor 1/2 H.P., 110/220V , 60Hz, 1720 RPM
Amps: 9/4.5
Drive: V-belt
Transmission: sealed worm gear
Overall height: horiz. 38"; vert. 55"
Height floor-to-table: 32-1/2"
Overall width: 15"
Overall length: 38" Overall bed: 26" x 9-1/4" x 3-1/8"
Floor space: 18-1/8" x 41-1/4"
Angular cuts: 90 Degrees to 45 Degrees
All ball bearing drive wheel and blade guides
Shipping weight approx. 115 lbs.
$250

Wayne

My take on this is that the reason they aren't more prevalent is that they have
only fairly recently come on the market at sub-$500 pricing. I don't know if
they work well. I wish I had one to experiment with, but I'd never buy a new one.

GWE

wrace wrote:
Just spent two days in the shop working on a project that required extensive
angle cuts to make multiple pieces at all different kinds of finished
lengths. Started out with 10' long stock, and all cuts were angle cuts 45
degrees and others.
I used my 4x6 harbor freight special for these cuts and it was quite the
cluster... Spent more time in the set-up / tear down / set-up cycle than
actually cutting it seems like. Making various angle cuts required moving
all kinds of stuff in the shop to provided enough clearance for the stock
when mounted in the saw, as it was sticking out at various angles. Of course
you also have to pull the saw out away from the wall for more clearance.

Then there is the mucking around with vice angle each time, having to prop
the saw stand up on 2x4's because all my standard work supports are taller
than the saw bed etc.

Yeah, I know, the saw:
only cost ~$200
has 101 mods available to make it better.
has a large user base with info on the net.
yes, I'm using a good blade.
is a good value... etc, etc, etc.
However, I need to be working on my projects, not on the bandsaw itself.

The really cool thing is I'm off to the steel supplier this morning to get
three 20' sticks of material, all of which will be cut up at angles for this
project... fun stuff.

Then the 2006 Grizzly catalog arrived in the mail... and I see this:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G9742
specs:
Max. capacity rectangular @ 0 degrees: 5" x 6"
Max. capacity circular @ 0 degrees: 5"
Max. capacity rectangular @ ±45 degrees: 3-5/8" x 3"
Max. capacity circular @ ±45 degrees: 3-5/8"
Max. capacity rectangular @ +60 degrees: 2-3/16" x 2-3/16"
Max. capacity circular @ +60 degrees: 2-3/16"
Blade speeds: 80, 120, 200 FPM
Blade size: 64-1/2" x 1/2"
Motor: 1/3 HP, 110V/220V, 60Hz, 1720 RPM
Amps: 7/3.5
Drive: V-belt
Transmission: sealed worm gear
Overall height: horizontal 42-1/2"; vertical 54-3/4"
Height floor-to-table: 28-1/2"
Overall width: 15-3/16"
Overall length: 38-5/8"
Overall bed: 19-1/4" x 13-1/2" x 3"
Foot print: 27-3/4" x 17"
Angular cuts: -45 degrees to +60 degrees
Blade size: 1/2" x .025" x 64-1/2"
All ball bearing drive wheel and blade guides
Shipping weight approx.: 176 lbs.
$450

What a concept eh? Pivot the saw head about the material, vs pivot the
material about the stationary saw... Under perfect shop conditions a person
would leave the saw against the wall and have the material racks along the
same wall for feeding to the saw with minimal material handling. In my case
I store my material vertically and would still need to pull the saw away
from the wall a bit. But at least with this thing I would not have to be
flipping the material around and clearing a 15' circle around the saw to get
the job done.

What am I missing here, besides being a bit more expensive than the 4x6?
There must be some catch that I'm overlooking. Why are these not more
popular? It seems like for a crowded home shop situation this would be a
beneficial bandsaw design? Maybe the pivot does not hold fast resulting in
inaccurate cuts?

It looks to me like this saw uses basically the same head unit as the 4x6
saw.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G1010
specs:
Capacity: 4-1/2" round, 4" x 6" rectangular
Blade speeds: 80, 120, 220 FPM
Blade size: 64-1/2" x 1/2"
Motor 1/2 H.P., 110/220V , 60Hz, 1720 RPM
Amps: 9/4.5
Drive: V-belt
Transmission: sealed worm gear
Overall height: horiz. 38"; vert. 55"
Height floor-to-table: 32-1/2"
Overall width: 15"
Overall length: 38" Overall bed: 26" x 9-1/4" x 3-1/8"
Floor space: 18-1/8" x 41-1/4"
Angular cuts: 90 Degrees to 45 Degrees
All ball bearing drive wheel and blade guides
Shipping weight approx. 115 lbs.
$250

Wayne

project... fun stuff.

Then the 2006 Grizzly catalog arrived in the mail... and I see this:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G9742
specs:
Max. capacity rectangular @ 0 degrees: 5" x 6"
Max. capacity circular @ 0 degrees: 5"
Max. capacity rectangular @ ±45 degrees: 3-5/8" x 3"
Max. capacity circular @ ±45 degrees: 3-5/8"
Max. capacity rectangular @ +60 degrees: 2-3/16" x 2-3/16"
Max. capacity circular @ +60 degrees: 2-3/16"
Blade speeds: 80, 120, 200 FPM
Blade size: 64-1/2" x 1/2"
Motor: 1/3 HP, 110V/220V, 60Hz, 1720 RPM
Amps: 7/3.5
Drive: V-belt
Transmission: sealed worm gear
Overall height: horizontal 42-1/2"; vertical 54-3/4"
Height floor-to-table: 28-1/2"
Overall width: 15-3/16"
Overall length: 38-5/8"
Overall bed: 19-1/4" x 13-1/2" x 3"
Foot print: 27-3/4" x 17"
Angular cuts: -45 degrees to +60 degrees
Blade size: 1/2" x .025" x 64-1/2"
All ball bearing drive wheel and blade guides
Shipping weight approx.: 176 lbs.
$450

What a concept eh? Pivot the saw head about the material, vs pivot the
material about the stationary saw... Under perfect shop conditions a person
would leave the saw against the wall and have the material racks along the
same wall for feeding to the saw with minimal material handling. In my case
I store my material vertically and would still need to pull the saw away
from the wall a bit. But at least with this thing I would not have to be
flipping the material around and clearing a 15' circle around the saw to get
the job done.

What am I missing here, besides being a bit more expensive than the 4x6?

Actually, Homier was selling thier version for $199 at their shows.
One heck of a great deal if you are near a show. Their item number on
the website is 03111.




There must be some catch that I'm overlooking. Why are these not more
popular? It seems like for a crowded home shop situation this would be a
beneficial bandsaw design? Maybe the pivot does not hold fast resulting in
inaccurate cuts?

It looks to me like this saw uses basically the same head unit as the 4x6
saw.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G1010
specs:
Capacity: 4-1/2" round, 4" x 6" rectangular
Blade speeds: 80, 120, 220 FPM
Blade size: 64-1/2" x 1/2"
Motor 1/2 H.P., 110/220V , 60Hz, 1720 RPM
Amps: 9/4.5
Drive: V-belt
Transmission: sealed worm gear
Overall height: horiz. 38"; vert. 55"
Height floor-to-table: 32-1/2"
Overall width: 15"
Overall length: 38" Overall bed: 26" x 9-1/4" x 3-1/8"
Floor space: 18-1/8" x 41-1/4"
Angular cuts: 90 Degrees to 45 Degrees
All ball bearing drive wheel and blade guides
Shipping weight approx. 115 lbs.
$250

Wayne

wrace wrote:

Then the 2006 Grizzly catalog arrived in the mail... and I see this:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G9742

What a concept eh? Pivot the saw head about the material, vs pivot the
material about the stationary saw.


Alternative: put already-in-shop saw on an improvised lockable
turntable-like thing? Did that with my pedestal grinder to solve an
elbow-bumping problem.

--
Fred R
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Drop TROU to email.

Then the 2006 Grizzly catalog arrived in the mail... and I see this:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G9742

I want to say that HSM or MW had an article on
building a replacement base for these saws that
included both the swivel feature and a lowering/
elevating table, but darned if I can find the reference
right now. Oh, wait a minute, this might be it:

"A Modified Base for a Band Saw",
by Jim McKee, HSM 2001 Jul-Aug p.64

but I'm at work right now and can't double check.

HTH,
--Glenn Lyford

Anyone have a copy of that article? Its listed on their website but no
further information is available.
-Mike

wrace wrote:
Just spent two days in the shop working on a project that required
extensive angle cuts to make multiple pieces at all different kinds
of finished lengths. Started out with 10' long stock, and all cuts
were angle cuts 45 degrees and others.
I used my 4x6 harbor freight special for these cuts and it was quite
the cluster... Spent more time in the set-up / tear down / set-up
cycle than actually cutting it seems like. Making various angle cuts
required moving all kinds of stuff in the shop to provided enough
clearance for the stock when mounted in the saw, as it was sticking
out at various angles. Of course you also have to pull the saw out
away from the wall for more clearance.
Then there is the mucking around with vice angle each time, having to
prop the saw stand up on 2x4's because all my standard work supports
are taller than the saw bed etc.

Yeah, I know, the saw:
only cost ~$200
has 101 mods available to make it better.
has a large user base with info on the net.
yes, I'm using a good blade.
is a good value... etc, etc, etc.
However, I need to be working on my projects, not on the bandsaw
itself.

Wayne

So build a turntable with pinlocks to set the saw on . When set square ,
it can be rolled back against the wall . Your suppoert can be static , the
vise can be rotated as needed . Realistically , you should only need a bit
over 90* rotation ...

--
Snag aka OSG #1
'76 FLH "Bent Lady"
BS132 SENS NEWT
"A hand shift is a manly shift ."
shamelessly stolen
none to one to reply

It's 1/3 HP, so it's got a smaller motor that other saws in that size
range. When you pivot the saw head for cutting different angles, the
center of gravity will change, so I wouldn't expect it to cut as
straight as a more conventional design.

wrace wrote:

Then the 2006 Grizzly catalog arrived in the mail... and I see this:
....
$450

What a concept eh? Pivot the saw head about the material, vs pivot the
material about the stationary saw... Under perfect shop conditions a person
would leave the saw against the wall and have the material racks along the
same wall for feeding to the saw with minimal material handling. In my case
I store my material vertically and would still need to pull the saw away
from the wall a bit. But at least with this thing I would not have to be
flipping the material around and clearing a 15' circle around the saw to get
the job done.

I want to say that HSM or MW had an article on
building a replacement base for these saws that
included both the swivel feature and a lowering/
elevating table, but darned if I can find the reference
right now. Oh, wait a minute, this might be it:

"A Modified Base for a Band Saw",
by Jim McKee, HSM 2001 Jul-Aug p.64

Thet aren't it... still looking, it's startin to bug me
that I can't find it...
--Glenn Lyford

wrote in message ups.com...
I want to say that HSM or MW had an article on
building a replacement base for these saws that
included both the swivel feature and a lowering/
elevating table, but darned if I can find the reference
right now. Oh, wait a minute, this might be it:

"A Modified Base for a Band Saw",
by Jim McKee, HSM 2001 Jul-Aug p.64

Thet aren't it... still looking, it's startin to bug me
that I can't find it...
--Glenn Lyford


How about this one....Paul

http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/pro.../sawstand.html

http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/pro.../sawstand.html

That's a very nice stand, but the OP was looking for something
that would pivot the top saw frame rather than the vise jaws, so
that the stock would always point in one direction, rather than
all over the shop. I still say that I've seen a writeup on one
recently, like in the last year or two, but still haven't located it
yet...
--Glenn Lyford