You might notice that the memo was written by Undersecretary of Defense
for Policy Douglas Feith. Feith was one of the neo-conservative members
of the PNAC bunch that screamed loudest about Iraqi WMD using previously
discredited "intelligence". He was also instrumental in shutting out
the State Department from all post war planning.

Now that his chickens are coming home to roost he is trying to cover his
ass by dredging up more discredited "intelligence". None of the "facts"
Feith is new and most of it has been found to be doubtful if not
completely false. Even the White House has discredited the memo.

Gunner's problem is that he believes every harebrained statement by
every right wing rag without looking into the actual facts or the
motivations of the people making the statements. That is what I mean
about "susceptible to propaganda". Right now we are being lied to much
more than usual. Everything we read or hear whether we agree with it or
not needs to be carefully examined with a healthy degree of skepticism.
Clinton may have lied about what he did with his cigars but at least
his lie didn't get anyone killed. Bush and his cronies lies are costing
us lives and money.

Alan Moore wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:03:05 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:40:48 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:48:43 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/111243.shtml

Well, ain't THAT timely. After all the time UN inspectors AND a
1,400 man crew have spent looking for WMDs and not finding any.

It leads one to wonder just WTF they are all up to...


Interesting that folks were willing to give Hans Blix 20 yrs to find
them, and bitch about not finding them in 6 months.


Uh, those Prague meetings were totally bogus. It was some guy that
looked like Atta. The FBI checked and found that Atta was in Miami at
the time the meetings were said to have been taking place.

Nice Try.

Al Moore

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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
newsSPtb.4452$0K4.2620@lakeread04...
You might notice that the memo was written by Undersecretary of Defense
for Policy Douglas Feith. Feith was one of the neo-conservative members
of the PNAC bunch that screamed loudest about Iraqi WMD using previously
discredited "intelligence". He was also instrumental in shutting out
the State Department from all post war planning.

Here's what the Washington Post said today about this memo:

============================

Yesterday, allegations of new evidence of connections between Iraq and al
Qaeda contained in a classified annex attached to Feith's Oct. 27 letter to
leaders of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were published in the
Weekly Standard. Feith had been asked to support his July 10 closed-door
testimony about such connections. The classified annex summarized raw
intelligence reports but did not analyze them or address their accuracy,
according to a senior administration official familiar with the matter.

============================

I haven't seen much else.

Ed Huntress

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0500, Glenn Ashmore wrote:
You might notice that the memo was written by Undersecretary of Defense
for Policy Douglas Feith. Feith was one of the neo-conservative members
of the PNAC bunch that screamed loudest about Iraqi WMD using previously
discredited "intelligence". He was also instrumental in shutting out
the State Department from all post war planning.

Now that his chickens are coming home to roost he is trying to cover his
ass by dredging up more discredited "intelligence". None of the "facts"
Feith is new and most of it has been found to be doubtful if not
completely false. Even the White House has discredited the memo.

Yep, early on the FBI had proof Atta was in Miami on the days he was
supposedly meeting with Iraqi intelligence operatives in Prague. That
was widely reported in the months following 911.

Gunner's problem is that he believes every harebrained statement by
every right wing rag without looking into the actual facts or the
motivations of the people making the statements. That is what I mean
about "susceptible to propaganda".

I'm not convinced Gunner actually believes all that spew, but he
spews it all the same if it serves his ideological purposes. That
makes *him* a propagandist every bit as culpable as if he thought
up the lies himself.

Gary

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

You might notice that the memo was written by Undersecretary of Defense
for Policy Douglas Feith.
snip

I knew it! The president was using Feith-based intelligence!

Al Moore

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

Gunner's problem is that he believes every harebrained statement by
every right wing rag without looking into the actual facts or the
motivations of the people making the statements. That is what I mean
about "susceptible to propaganda".

Oddly enough, Glenn tends to disbelieve everything that comes from the
Right, and believes every hairbrained statement by every leftwing raw
without looking into the actual facts of the motivations of the people
making the statements. That is what I mean about you and propaganda.


Thing hard boys and girls...the media has the same facts as you
fellows do, and more. Tell me no one in the Left Wing media remembered
the "debunking" of the Ata meetings. Where are the loud squeals of
outrage and the calls for an investigation? If they had caught a
member of the Bush admin out on a limb..they damned sure would have
sawed it off. So where is it?

Hummmmm?

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption.
The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is
made up of government unions, government dependent professions
(teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and
special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that
feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans
being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs
and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible,
and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'.
Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda.
Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:


Gunner's problem is that he believes every harebrained statement by
every right wing rag without looking into the actual facts or the
motivations of the people making the statements. That is what I mean
about "susceptible to propaganda".


Oddly enough, Glenn tends to disbelieve everything that comes from the
Right, and believes every hairbrained statement by every leftwing raw
without looking into the actual facts of the motivations of the people
making the statements. That is what I mean about you and propaganda.

Now here is the real problem with the Right Wing. They are so far Right
that any difference in opinion gets labeled "Liberal". I consider
myself a moderate conservative. I don't believe half of what the tree
huggers say and nothing that Ted and Hillary say.


Thing hard boys and girls...the media has the same facts as you
fellows do, and more. Tell me no one in the Left Wing media remembered
the "debunking" of the Ata meetings. Where are the loud squeals of
outrage and the calls for an investigation? If they had caught a
member of the Bush admin out on a limb..they damned sure would have
sawed it off. So where is it?

Hummmmm?

Because it is a rehash of old news and of interest only to the truly
right wing press? There is a principle of extremist regardless of which
end they are on. Shout a lie long enough and loud enough and people
will start to believe it. The only defense to that tactic is to stay
informed and remain skeptical.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:23:18 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:


Gunner's problem is that he believes every harebrained statement by
every right wing rag without looking into the actual facts or the
motivations of the people making the statements. That is what I mean
about "susceptible to propaganda".


Oddly enough, Glenn tends to disbelieve everything that comes from the
Right, and believes every hairbrained statement by every leftwing raw
without looking into the actual facts of the motivations of the people
making the statements. That is what I mean about you and propaganda.

Now here is the real problem with the Right Wing. They are so far Right
that any difference in opinion gets labeled "Liberal". I consider
myself a moderate conservative. I don't believe half of what the tree
huggers say and nothing that Ted and Hillary say.

Oddly enough..thats the problem with lefties and moderates..anything
to the Right of their position tends to be Extreme Right Wing.. They
seldom realize most folks have shades.

You do understand that Im a social liberal, and a fiscal
conservative..a Republitarian as it were? Because I have strong and
firm beliefs on certain subjects, that automatically puts me into the
extreme right wing category. Correct?



Thing hard boys and girls...the media has the same facts as you
fellows do, and more. Tell me no one in the Left Wing media remembered
the "debunking" of the Ata meetings. Where are the loud squeals of
outrage and the calls for an investigation? If they had caught a
member of the Bush admin out on a limb..they damned sure would have
sawed it off. So where is it?

Hummmmm?

Because it is a rehash of old news and of interest only to the truly
right wing press? There is a principle of extremist regardless of which
end they are on. Shout a lie long enough and loud enough and people
will start to believe it. The only defense to that tactic is to stay
informed and remain skeptical.

Since when did that make any difference to the Left. If a Bush admin
official, even a floor sweeper, farted too loudly..the Left would be
all over him like a cheap suit. Im waiting for some cites that this is
occurring over this report. Still waiting......

Gunner

"The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a
certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the
"lions".
Christopher Morton

Gunner wrote:


You do understand that Im a social liberal, and a fiscal
conservative..a Republitarian as it were? Because I have strong and
firm beliefs on certain subjects, that automatically puts me into the
extreme right wing category. Correct?

Based on your posts I would never have guessed it. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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In article , Gunner says...

Oddly enough..thats the problem with lefties and moderates..anything
to the Right of their position tends to be Extreme Right Wing.. They
seldom realize most folks have shades.

Damn. I guess my comments of a couple of months ago,
about the problems inherent in the handy-dandy can
of black-n-white paint percolated in!

You do understand that Im a social liberal, and a fiscal
conservative..a Republitarian as it were?

Does that put you four-square in Arnold's camp?

:^)

Jim

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"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

Oddly enough..thats the problem with lefties and moderates..anything
to the Right of their position tends to be Extreme Right Wing.. They
seldom realize most folks have shades.

Damn. I guess my comments of a couple of months ago,
about the problems inherent in the handy-dandy can
of black-n-white paint percolated in!

You do understand that Im a social liberal, and a fiscal
conservative..a Republitarian as it were?

Does that put you four-square in Arnold's camp?

:^)

Jim

Except for the group sex.

Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...

In article , Gunner says...


Oddly enough..thats the problem with lefties and moderates..anything
to the Right of their position tends to be Extreme Right Wing.. They
seldom realize most folks have shades.

Damn. I guess my comments of a couple of months ago,
about the problems inherent in the handy-dandy can
of black-n-white paint percolated in!

You do understand that Im a social liberal, and a fiscal
conservative..a Republitarian as it were?

Does that put you four-square in Arnold's camp?

:^)

Jim


Except for the group sex.

Ed Huntress

Does that mean you are for or against it? :-)
--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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On 17 Nov 2003 15:36:12 -0800, jim rozen
brought forth from the murky depths:

In article , Gunner says...
You do understand that Im a social liberal, and a fiscal
conservative..a Republitarian as it were?

I like it!


Does that put you four-square in Arnold's camp?
:^)

Quick, someone tell Ahnold that he HAS a camp!

A friend sent this our commandeer in chief today:

Post Turtle
-----------
While suturing a laceration on the hand of a 70-year-old Texas rancher
(whose hand had caught in a gate while working cattle), the doctor and
the old man were talking about George W. Bush being in the White House.

The old Texan said, "Well, ya know, Bush is a 'post turtle'."

Not knowing what the old man meant, the doctor asked him what a post
turtle was.

The old man said, "When you're driving down a country road, and you
come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post
turtle."

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to
explain, "You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong
there, he can't get anything done while he's up there,and you just want
to help the poor dumb ass get down."


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