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Help with bearing and collet use/design please...
Toolpost thingy to mill/drill/grind/etcetera:
1.5 x 2 x 3.5 inch block mounted on the toolpost stud, spindle hole drilled on the centreline of the lathe, small motor mounted on the other end and a few pulleys to connect it to the spindle. I'll need a simple collet to hold mill cutters with a 3/8" shank. Right now I'm thinking of a nut with an internal cone and a collet that sits in a hole drilled in the end of the spindle, like a large version of a pin-vise; but should I be using the flat which is ground on the cutter shanks? Suggestions on the whole arrangement are welcome. What kind of bearings and arrangement of same should I use for the spindle that will turn the cutter? Anything else I should figure out before the hacksaw stage? |
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Help with bearing and collet use/design please...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:03:11 -0400, jt wrote:
Toolpost thingy to mill/drill/grind/etcetera: 1.5 x 2 x 3.5 inch block mounted on the toolpost stud, spindle hole drilled on the centreline of the lathe, small motor mounted on the other end and a few pulleys to connect it to the spindle. I'll need a simple collet to hold mill cutters with a 3/8" shank. Right now I'm thinking of a nut with an internal cone and a collet that sits in a hole drilled in the end of the spindle, like a large version of a pin-vise; but should I be using the flat which is ground on the cutter shanks? Suggestions on the whole arrangement are welcome. What kind of bearings and arrangement of same should I use for the spindle that will turn the cutter? I'm no expert but obviously you'll want to use bearings that can handle thrust as well as rotational and side forces. Tapered roller bearings fit the bill here. Although brass bearings are cheaper and easier to replace (machine your own from stock), I don't know if they'd hold up adequately in this application. Any bearings will need to be rated for the top speed that you expect the spindle to be rotating, which will be on the order of 10,000 rpm for grinder mode. The toughest part of fitting tapered roller bearings to the spindle carrier will be in machining the taper in the end of the carrier. It'll need to be very precise as well as being well aligned to get good results. In any case the spindle will need to have a shoulder at the collet end which will ride on the bearing. Imagine what a shaft with a thick washer slipped onto one end would look like. That's the approximate shape you'd want. Actually, in an effort to keep killer dust out of the bearings, I'd machine a cup shaped shoulder into the spindle which would be large enough to fit around the entire bearing assembly, and then a mating groove in the end of the spindle carrier, so that when assembled the cup part of the shoulder fits into the groove (without actually contacting it). I'd also insert a felt O ring in the bottom of the groove to act as a wiper. Since you'll be using this tool as a toolpost grinder then you'll surely want the bearings to be sealed against abrasive dust from the grinding wheel. For safety you'll also want to design in a removable grinding wheel guard which attaches to the spindle carrier. Anything else I should figure out before the hacksaw stage? Your pulley set up. The speeds needed for drilling/milling are radically different than for grinding. 100 - 500 rpm for the former, and 10,000 rpm or so for the latter. That's going to be pretty difficult to solve with a single speed motor. It's an interesting project, but it gets pretty complicated to do it right and have it last. I guess that's why professionally made toolpost grinders are so expensive. :-) |
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Help with bearing and collet use/design please...
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: Toolpost thingy to mill/drill/grind/etcetera: 1.5 x 2 x 3.5 inch block mounted on the toolpost stud, spindle hole drilled on the centreline of the lathe, small motor mounted on the other end and a few pulleys to connect it to the spindle. I'll need a simple collet to hold mill cutters with a 3/8" shank. Right now I'm thinking of a nut with an internal cone and a collet that sits in a hole drilled in the end of the spindle, like a large version of a pin-vise; but should I be using the flat which is ground on the cutter shanks? Suggestions on the whole arrangement are welcome. What kind of bearings and arrangement of same should I use for the spindle that will turn the cutter? Anything else I should figure out before the hacksaw stage? On the bearing issue, Any of the following will work: 1) opposed tapered roller 2) multiple angular contact 3) precision roller with secondary thrust-INA makes combination bearings, they contain precision roller, or double precision roller with a built in thrust bearing. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email |
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Help with bearing and collet use/design please...
"jt" wrote in message ... Toolpost thingy to mill/drill/grind/etcetera: --------- Why not buy a cheepo chinese air powered die grinder and make a aluminuim shaped bock to fit the air ginder, clamp them togeher with 2 ss hose clamps and bolt to your cross slide. Worked for me Don Warner ---------- 1.5 x 2 x 3.5 inch block mounted on the toolpost stud, spindle hole drilled on the centreline of the lathe, small motor mounted on the other end and a few pulleys to connect it to the spindle. I'll need a simple collet to hold mill cutters with a 3/8" shank. Right now I'm thinking of a nut with an internal cone and a collet that sits in a hole drilled in the end of the spindle, like a large version of a pin-vise; but should I be using the flat which is ground on the cutter shanks? Suggestions on the whole arrangement are welcome. What kind of bearings and arrangement of same should I use for the spindle that will turn the cutter? Anything else I should figure out before the hacksaw stage? |
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