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Bush Loyalty on Display
Last week I saw Bush on TV with his pal "Brownie", the head of FEMA, and he
was praising him for doing such a good job handling things in Louisiana. Days later he's sent back to Washington and his job is given to a Coast Guard admiral. Today Brown turned in his resignation. That is so typical of Bush and his monumental hypocrisy and dishonesty. He's out there telling everyone how great a job his appointee is doing when he knows the guy has messed everything up. Then after saying what a great job he's done, a week later he has the guy resign. That's George Bush for you. An honest man would have told the truth about his appointee from the start and apologized, but not Bush. Always lie and deceive if he might look bad is his usual method. And this is the guy who was supposed to bring back honor and integrity to the White House. Hah! Hawke |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... ...a bunch of political crap with no metal content. Vaughn |
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Hawke wrote: Last week I saw Bush on TV with his pal "Brownie", the head of FEMA, and he was praising him for doing such a good job handling things in Louisiana. Days later he's sent back to Washington and his job is given to a Coast Guard admiral. Today Brown turned in his resignation. That is so typical of Bush and his monumental hypocrisy and dishonesty. He's out there telling everyone how great a job his appointee is doing when he knows the guy has messed everything up. Then after saying what a great job he's done, a week later he has the guy resign. That's George Bush for you. An honest man would have told the truth about his appointee from the start and apologized, but not Bush. Always lie and deceive if he might look bad is his usual method. And this is the guy who was supposed to bring back honor and integrity to the White House. Hah! Well, that's one spin. I took it as letting the guy off easy and letting him save face. Shame on George for being a nice guy? He just can't win with people who have made up their minds to hate. |
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So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life?
I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. So far, this is not happening. And the money that is being wasted is yours and mine. The projected hundreds of billions for rebuilding...you and I will be paying it. The lives that have been lost are your fellow Americans. They could have been yours or your family. So how many more incompetent fools can you and I afford? TMT |
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Unfortunately, residents outside of New Orleans probably never heard of the
the local mayor, police, etc. till this situation had already developed, much less being eligible to vote for them. Yet they were (should have been?) the first line of help in terms of prevention (levees, maintaining pumps, having a proper evacuation plan in place, having some sort of emergency communication, .....) "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message oups.com... So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life? I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. So far, this is not happening. And the money that is being wasted is yours and mine. The projected hundreds of billions for rebuilding...you and I will be paying it. The lives that have been lost are your fellow Americans. They could have been yours or your family. So how many more incompetent fools can you and I afford? TMT |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life? I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. So far, this is not happening. And the money that is being wasted is yours and mine. The projected hundreds of billions for rebuilding...you and I will be paying it. The lives that have been lost are your fellow Americans. They could have been yours or your family. Granted, but it wasn't Bush's fault. He declared a federal state of emergency before the hurricane even hit. The locals authority did not even implement their federally-required evacuation plan. The local authorities failed to provide first, or even 2nd response. Then the Governor sat on her ass rather than authorize federal intervention. So how many more incompetent fools can you and I afford? You need to address that to the rotors of Louisiana and New Orleans. Just as a small boy is fixated on his penis, you and yours seem to be fixated on GWB. Grow up. |
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Rex B wrote: Too_Many_Tools wrote: So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life? I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. So far, this is not happening. And the money that is being wasted is yours and mine. The projected hundreds of billions for rebuilding...you and I will be paying it. The lives that have been lost are your fellow Americans. They could have been yours or your family. Granted, but it wasn't Bush's fault. He declared a federal state of emergency before the hurricane even hit. The locals authority did not even implement their federally-required evacuation plan. The local authorities failed to provide first, or even 2nd response. Then the Governor sat on her ass rather than authorize federal intervention. The Federal government has, and always has had, authority to intervene without authorization of a governor. Absent the governor being incapacited, as by the disaster itself, that should never be necessary for the Federal government to act independently of or over the objection of the state government. This time it was. -- FF |
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Quite right.
A small detail that many smaller Republican minds are trying to avoid addressing. It would not surprise me at all if in the end the resignation of the President occurs. |
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So you are saying that the President is a liar for admitting guilt?
And if he is not admitting guilt then isn't he then lying? Do you think Laura is sleeping well knowing she is sharing a bed with an acknowledged murderer? Sorry but the majority of Americans (including George himself) agree with me...it IS Bush's fault. Hundreds of Americans are dead and their blood is on little Georgie's hands. But then again maybe you could help me, I ...I mean a friend of mine has this problem, you know, like he needs to reduce the size of his penis. Since you seem to have found a solution, well could you tell me how you reduced yours? Register as a Republican? Well, I think I ...I mean my friend will have to live with his err problem...after all, I ...I mean my friend IS an AMERICAN. What is it with Republicans, small boys and penises? |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message oups.com... So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life? I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. So far, this is not happening. And the money that is being wasted is yours and mine. The projected hundreds of billions for rebuilding...you and I will be paying it. The lives that have been lost are your fellow Americans. They could have been yours or your family. So how many more incompetent fools can you and I afford? TMT Well, according to his followers, Bush has done a very good job. How do you argue with that? Hawke |
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Hawke wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message oups.com... So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life? I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. So far, this is not happening. And the money that is being wasted is yours and mine. The projected hundreds of billions for rebuilding...you and I will be paying it. The lives that have been lost are your fellow Americans. They could have been yours or your family. So how many more incompetent fools can you and I afford? TMT Well, according to his followers, Bush has done a very good job. How do you argue with that? Hawke According to their respective followers, Stalin, Jim Jones, Jengis Khan, Nixon, Sadaam Hussein, Khomeini, Pinochet, Hitler and a slew of other depots were doing a very good job too! Does that make it so? I think not. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On 13 Sep 2005 08:44:08 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: So would you hire the guy now? Trust him with your money and your life? I don't vote for a President to be a nice guy...I vote for him to get the job done. And he lost the election. Get over it already. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Rex B wrote:
Hawke wrote: Last week I saw Bush on TV with his pal "Brownie", the head of FEMA, and he was praising him for doing such a good job handling things in Louisiana. Days later he's sent back to Washington and his job is given to a Coast Guard admiral. Today Brown turned in his resignation. That is so typical of Bush and his monumental hypocrisy and dishonesty. He's out there telling everyone how great a job his appointee is doing when he knows the guy has messed everything up. Then after saying what a great job he's done, a week later he has the guy resign. That's George Bush for you. An honest man would have told the truth about his appointee from the start and apologized, but not Bush. Always lie and deceive if he might look bad is his usual method. And this is the guy who was supposed to bring back honor and integrity to the White House. Hah! Well, that's one spin. I took it as letting the guy off easy and letting him save face. Shame on George for being a nice guy? He just can't win with people who have made up their minds to hate. I don't think hate has anything to do with it. Being a nice guy? Yeah, right! Remember what he did with George Tenet and Paul Bremer, two Bush cronies who both failed spectacularly at their jobs. If I am not mistaken they both received the Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor. Not a bad reward for failure. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:27:10 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex
B quickly quoth: -snip of hawke rant- Well, that's one spin. I took it as letting the guy off easy and letting him save face. Shame on George for being a nice guy? I took it as the guy (GW) being himself. Y'know, not knowing WTF was going on in his country with his appointees whom he should be tracking very closely or, at the very least, with a bit of sense. He just can't win with people who have made up their minds to hate. Damn, that's getting old... Look, I'm neither a liberal nor Democrat and I didn't start out hating Shrubby, I just didn't vote for him (or Kerry.) GW's (damned well) -earned- that criticism from so many folks. Googled from "bush appointees" or "list of bush appointees" http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8240 http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050913column.php and, quite likely tomorrow's news: http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=1175&catid=7 ---- - Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? - http://diversify.com Web Applications |
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Well, that's one spin. I took it as letting the guy off easy and letting him save face. Shame on George for being a nice guy? He just can't win with people who have made up their minds to hate. Believing someone has done a bad job or is not competent at what they are doing is simply making a judgment based on observation and experience. Hate has nothing to do with it. Claiming that people that think Bush is doing a bad job is hate is only a stupid Republican trick to try to invalidate legitimate criticism of him. Bush has messed up one thing after another and that's why the public's opinion of him is at a record low. According to you, most of the public hates Bush now because they are critical of what he has done. Is that right? Hawke |
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Let us just see.
JFK never showed up when I was in a 6' flood at my front door ! No help was sent from Washington. No relocation to a safe haven. No debit cards from anyone. We got sandbags from the Army - the local ones. They came by duce and a half because only they could drive in the mud (center of the street) and the deep water. Before the flood, we had to go and get them in a bundle. Oh yea - all of them empty. The Army delivered full bags. Low interest loans ? NO. I know the blame lies upon the head of the power hungry governor who kept control longer than she should. The help was ordered days before and SHE kept them out. She was asked firmly again to declare and ask for help. She did after all was done. So now tell me when do I get my two debit cards with 20% daily added from the Demo party ? Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Hawke wrote: Well, that's one spin. I took it as letting the guy off easy and letting him save face. Shame on George for being a nice guy? He just can't win with people who have made up their minds to hate. Believing someone has done a bad job or is not competent at what they are doing is simply making a judgment based on observation and experience. Hate has nothing to do with it. Claiming that people that think Bush is doing a bad job is hate is only a stupid Republican trick to try to invalidate legitimate criticism of him. Bush has messed up one thing after another and that's why the public's opinion of him is at a record low. According to you, most of the public hates Bush now because they are critical of what he has done. Is that right? Hawke ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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In article , Hawke says...
Last week I saw Bush on TV with his pal "Brownie", the head of FEMA, and he was praising him for doing such a good job handling things in Louisiana. Days later he's sent back to Washington and his job is given to a Coast Guard admiral. Today Brown turned in his resignation. Actually this is the first administration member that W has fired for incompetence. So you know he *really* screwed up. Everyone else just gets a pat on the head. I knew the guy was outtathere when the 'great job' comment happened. This is standard politico-speak in the country. You can always tell when somebody's gonna get canned when the screwup gets praised so highly. "A terrific member of our team" or "We couldn't manage without him" or "a close and dear personal friend." Get the parachute ready.... Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Got the story just right did you ?
Wrong. Bush was in Mississippi at the time when a reporter asked who was going to replace Brown - he side stepped the question as he didn't know what was going on. Brown had tendered his second resignation. Upon an intel connection to Washington the facts were determined and a replacement - a good man a leader of men... was appointed. Bush was the last man out of his long time ago oil company. He found everyone a job with his friends in the industry before closing up. I don't know where the LEFT gets the idea that every level of every government job must be a do-all commander in charge. He relied on his people and was folded deep into homeland security which further limited and actually allowed expanded access to need. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Hawke wrote: Last week I saw Bush on TV with his pal "Brownie", the head of FEMA, and he was praising him for doing such a good job handling things in Louisiana. Days later he's sent back to Washington and his job is given to a Coast Guard admiral. Today Brown turned in his resignation. That is so typical of Bush and his monumental hypocrisy and dishonesty. He's out there telling everyone how great a job his appointee is doing when he knows the guy has messed everything up. Then after saying what a great job he's done, a week later he has the guy resign. That's George Bush for you. An honest man would have told the truth about his appointee from the start and apologized, but not Bush. Always lie and deceive if he might look bad is his usual method. And this is the guy who was supposed to bring back honor and integrity to the White House. Hah! Hawke ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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In article , Martin H. Eastburn
says... Bush was in Mississippi at the time when a reporter asked who was going to replace Brown - he side stepped the question as he didn't know what was going on. Brown had tendered his second resignation. Upon an intel connection to Washington the facts were determined and a replacement - a good man a leader of men... was appointed. There *was* a good man at the job. Too bad he got evicted so that cronies could come in a collect a paycheck. I don't know where the LEFT gets the idea that every level of every government job must be a do-all commander in charge. Because that's the way it used to be. That's the way we won ww2. It was rapidly realized that leaders should be put in charge, and there was no room for incompetents. They were shuffled out and given the heave-ho. NObody said 'not my job' or 'I can't do it because of the paperwork.' Too bad that's gone. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Jim,
This is what passes for leadership these days. Inearly laughed my ass off. http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...0153-3878r.htm DeLay declares 'victory' in war on budget fat By Amy Fagan and Stephen Dinan THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published September 14, 2005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said yesterday that Republicans have done so well in cutting spending that he declared an "ongoing victory," and said there is simply no fat left to cut in the federal budget. Mr. DeLay was defending Republicans' choice to borrow money and add to this year's expected $331 billion deficit to pay for Hurricane Katrina relief. Some Republicans have said Congress should make cuts in other areas, but Mr. DeLay said that doesn't seem possible. "My answer to those that want to offset the spending is sure, bring me the offsets, I'll be glad to do it. But nobody has been able to come up with any yet," the Texas Republican told reporters at his weekly briefing. Asked if that meant the government was running at peak efficiency, Mr. DeLay said, "Yes, after 11 years of Republican majority we've pared it down pretty good." Congress has passed two hurricane relief bills totaling $62.3 billion, all of which will be added to the deficit. Republican leaders have been under pressure from conservative members and outside watchdog groups to find ways to pay for the Katrina relief. Some Republicans wanted to offer an amendment, including cuts, to pay for hurricane spending but were denied the chance under procedural rules. "This is hardly a well-oiled machine," said Rep. Jeff Flake, Arizona Republican. "There's a lot of fat to trim. ... I wonder if we've been serving in the same Congress." American Conservative Union Chairman David A. Keene said federal spending already was "spiraling out of control" before Katrina, and conservatives are "increasingly losing faith in the president and the Republican leadership in Congress." "Excluding military and homeland security, American taxpayers have witnessed the largest spending increase under any preceding president and Congress since the Great Depression," he said. Mr. Keene said annual nonmilitary and non-homeland security spending increased $303 billion between fiscal year 2001 and 2005; the acknowledged federal debt increased more than $2 trillion since fiscal year 2000; and the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill is estimated to increase the government's unfunded obligations by $16 trillion. Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW), said if Mr. DeLay wants to know where to cut, "there are plenty of places to reduce." His group soon will release a list of $2 trillion in suggested spending cuts over the next five years, and he said Congress also could cut the estimated $20 billion to $25 billion in pet projects that make their way into must-pass spending bills each year. CAGW and the Heritage Foundation also suggest rescinding the 6,000-plus earmarked projects in the recently passed highway bill. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com "jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Martin H. Eastburn says... Bush was in Mississippi at the time when a reporter asked who was going to replace Brown - he side stepped the question as he didn't know what was going on. Brown had tendered his second resignation. Upon an intel connection to Washington the facts were determined and a replacement - a good man a leader of men... was appointed. There *was* a good man at the job. Too bad he got evicted so that cronies could come in a collect a paycheck. I don't know where the LEFT gets the idea that every level of every government job must be a do-all commander in charge. Because that's the way it used to be. That's the way we won ww2. It was rapidly realized that leaders should be put in charge, and there was no room for incompetents. They were shuffled out and given the heave-ho. NObody said 'not my job' or 'I can't do it because of the paperwork.' Too bad that's gone. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , John R. Carroll
says... Jim, This is what passes for leadership these days. Inearly laughed my ass off. http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...0153-3878r.htm DeLay declares 'victory' in war on budget fat Heh. Pretty soon he'll be declaring victory - from jail. They're getting close and closer.... Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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jim rozen wrote:
In article , John R. Carroll says... Jim, This is what passes for leadership these days. Inearly laughed my ass off. http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...0153-3878r.htm DeLay declares 'victory' in war on budget fat Heh. Pretty soon he'll be declaring victory - from jail. They're getting close and closer.... Jim Dream on! If he's going to jail, I'll be growing a full head of hair again. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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