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I lurk here quite a bit, and have been following the threads on Kat
and NO. What I can't seem to understand is the fact that with a hurricane, you KNOW it's coming. Not like an earthquake or volcanic eruption or even a tsunami. You have ample warning. The comparison to the tsunami of December is apples and oranges. The aftermath is comparable, yes, but not anything else. On a side note, if you invented a way to predict earthquakes, you'd be a billionaire, or a Nobel prize winner, or both, depending on your desire to help humanity. I'm not a survivalist by any means, but I have done my share of camping. Primitive camping, that is, not in an air conditioned, generator equipped, propane powered house-on-wheels. I can't fathom what some of these people in NO are doing. They were told to get out. Flee. Run for your life. Those that stayed, well, you knew there would be no electricity, water, or sewer. I think if I had made the decision to stay, I would have filled every container I could find with water. Filled the bathtub, pots, pans, buckets..anything while the system was working. Stocked up on canned goods, candles, heating sources. If I hadn't secured a source of fresh water beforehand, I certainly woudn't be on CNN stranded on the roof of a hotel, whining about no water. Damn, you got all the water you need, just gotta make it drinkable. Build a still, burn whatever you have to to boil it,do something for Pete's sake. It's not like you're too busy watching TV or playing video games, or reading your newsgroups. G Fido, you've been a faithful companion, but as soon as I get this fire started... I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? |
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I lurk here quite a bit, and have been following the threads on Kat and NO. What I can't seem to understand is the fact that with a hurricane, you KNOW it's coming. Not like an earthquake or volcanic eruption or even a tsunami. You have ample warning. The comparison to the tsunami of December is apples and oranges. The aftermath is comparable, yes, but not anything else. On a side note, if you invented a way to predict earthquakes, you'd be a billionaire, or a Nobel prize winner, or both, depending on your desire to help humanity. I'm not a survivalist by any means, but I have done my share of camping. Primitive camping, that is, not in an air conditioned, generator equipped, propane powered house-on-wheels. I can't fathom what some of these people in NO are doing. They were told to get out. Flee. Run for your life. Those that stayed, well, you knew there would be no electricity, water, or sewer. I think if I had made the decision to stay, I would have filled every container I could find with water. Filled the bathtub, pots, pans, buckets..anything while the system was working. Stocked up on canned goods, candles, heating sources. If I hadn't secured a source of fresh water beforehand, I certainly woudn't be on CNN stranded on the roof of a hotel, whining about no water. Damn, you got all the water you need, just gotta make it drinkable. Build a still, burn whatever you have to to boil it,do something for Pete's sake. It's not like you're too busy watching TV or playing video games, or reading your newsgroups. G Fido, you've been a faithful companion, but as soon as I get this fire started... I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? We have conditioned certain parts of society to rely on the gov'mt for daily survival. Social services that supress individual responsibility is one place to start pointing the finger. And they have fallen for it, we did it to the black community, the native american community, and anyone else that would prefer a hand out instead of a hand up. We did it with our elected officials, and we share in the blame. Sorry for all who got sucked into the whole process and then the process failed them. You are right though, when you ask the question "Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101?" It is gone, as uncommon now as that classic thought from the past, "common sense." We have met the enemy, and he is us. George |
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George wrote:
We have conditioned certain parts of society to rely on the gov'mt for daily survival. Social services that supress individual responsibility is one place to start pointing the finger. And they have fallen for it, we did it to the black community, the native american community, and anyone else that would prefer a hand out instead of a hand up. We did it with our elected officials, and we share in the blame. Sorry for all who got sucked into the whole process and then the process failed them. You are right though, when you ask the question "Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101?" It is gone, as uncommon now as that classic thought from the past, "common sense." We have met the enemy, and he is us. George A.Men POGO. :-) ...lew... |
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"doo" wrote in message ups.com... Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? That pretty much went away when the government started handing out welfare to anyone who did not feel like providing for themselves. Same mentality. I do not feel like working so give me welfare. I do not feel like surviving on my own, so I will complain and bitch until they send me food and water. The other problem is that welfare (and what other I do not feel like providing for myself funds) checks were long gone. As in a couple of days after they get the checks, the money is gone. So had the storm hit after the first of the month, more people might of had enough money to get out, or stock food. I do fear that later down the road they will blame the government. In that the government should of scheduled the storm to arrive the day of, or day after the welfare checks were issued. Or something like that. Either way it will not be the individuals fault but the governments. Than again, a lot of people stuck around just because what is happening now. Life-guard of the gene poll. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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On 4 Sep 2005 08:00:41 -0700, "doo" wrote:
"snippage" ... I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? Roger your observations, and to answer your question, sadly, yes it appears at least in NO basic survival instinct has been breed out of many. And civilized conduct replaced by predatory instinct. I live in a class 3 earthquake zone and have made extensive disaster preparations. I hope that I've covered all possibilities. My sister inlaw who live in NewEngland (liberal politically) shocked me with the remark that a handgun is now going to be a necessary item to learn to use. I hope this a wakup call for those not disposed to preparedness in this era of having to watch your back all the time. DE ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"DE" wrote in message ... On 4 Sep 2005 08:00:41 -0700, "doo" wrote: "snippage" .. I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? Roger your observations, and to answer your question, sadly, yes it appears at least in NO basic survival instinct has been breed out of many. And civilized conduct replaced by predatory instinct. I live in a class 3 earthquake zone and have made extensive disaster preparations. I hope that I've covered all possibilities. My sister inlaw who live in NewEngland (liberal politically) shocked me with the remark that a handgun is now going to be a necessary item to learn to use. I hope this a wakup call for those not disposed to preparedness in this era of having to watch your back all the time. Hopefully your sister is not in MA. In order to get a permit for a handgun in MA, you have to say it is for target practice. If you tell them it is for protection of your home and family, your application will be denied. Go figure. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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Hopefully your sister is not in MA. In order to get a permit for a handgun in MA, you have to say it is for target practice. If you tell them it is for protection of your home and family, your application will be denied. Do you have to specify what targets you intend to "practice" on? Sad, as it probably won't be long before even target practice isn't reason enough. But then, in a survival situation, there's unregulated alternatives for enterprising individuals: http://www.compfused.com/directlink/447/ (links to a .WMV file) Jon |
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"Jon Anderson" wrote in message ... Chris wrote: Hopefully your sister is not in MA. In order to get a permit for a handgun in MA, you have to say it is for target practice. If you tell them it is for protection of your home and family, your application will be denied. Do you have to specify what targets you intend to "practice" on? Sad, as it probably won't be long before even target practice isn't reason enough. But then, in a survival situation, there's unregulated alternatives for enterprising individuals: http://www.compfused.com/directlink/447/ (links to a .WMV file) Jon Please do not give the liberals any new ideas. If they did ask I would answer, "Any moving target on my property that does not belong there". Rumor is that you have to take a class now to get an FID. Nice welcome back for our military people. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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Do you have to specify what targets you intend to "practice" on? Sad, as it probably won't be long before even target practice isn't reason enough. You'll likely have to get an EPA permit and have a 'lead remidiation' plan. Wes -- The Constitution wasn't perfect but it sure beats what we have now. |
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That's a great idea. Stock up on food, water, TP, Twinkies, etc. Sit out
the storm and survive. Only problem is, your house is now just a foundation and exposed basement filled with water and debris. I suppose you might find the Twinkies, after all, they float.... JR Dweller in the cellar doo wrote: Drivel -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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I think it's called: "Reverse Darwinism" and THAT should be taught in public
schools. Let's subsidize the stupidest of the species and make sure THEY reproduce. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable. "doo" wrote in message ups.com... I lurk here quite a bit, and have been following the threads on Kat and NO. What I can't seem to understand is the fact that with a hurricane, you KNOW it's coming. Not like an earthquake or volcanic eruption or even a tsunami. You have ample warning. The comparison to the tsunami of December is apples and oranges. The aftermath is comparable, yes, but not anything else. On a side note, if you invented a way to predict earthquakes, you'd be a billionaire, or a Nobel prize winner, or both, depending on your desire to help humanity. I'm not a survivalist by any means, but I have done my share of camping. Primitive camping, that is, not in an air conditioned, generator equipped, propane powered house-on-wheels. I can't fathom what some of these people in NO are doing. They were told to get out. Flee. Run for your life. Those that stayed, well, you knew there would be no electricity, water, or sewer. I think if I had made the decision to stay, I would have filled every container I could find with water. Filled the bathtub, pots, pans, buckets..anything while the system was working. Stocked up on canned goods, candles, heating sources. If I hadn't secured a source of fresh water beforehand, I certainly woudn't be on CNN stranded on the roof of a hotel, whining about no water. Damn, you got all the water you need, just gotta make it drinkable. Build a still, burn whatever you have to to boil it,do something for Pete's sake. It's not like you're too busy watching TV or playing video games, or reading your newsgroups. G Fido, you've been a faithful companion, but as soon as I get this fire started... I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... I think it's called: "Reverse Darwinism" and THAT should be taught in public schools. Let's subsidize the stupidest of the species and make sure THEY reproduce. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable. In welfare terms it is called "Nike fund". You know the term, were welfare will give more money to the 15yr old that is pregnant. They spit out babies as to get more from welfare. More from welfare means they can afford the $200 pair of Nikes. If you see a welfare recipient with the Nikes, $1k handbag at the nail saloon, getting the $200 nail job done, you know she has to have at least 3 babies at home without any diapers, food, etc, before she can get that much from welfare. At the top of the welfare chain is the one with 5 babies. Ya know the one. They show up on daytime talk shows with 10 or 12 possible fathers passing through, all failing the DNA test. Leaving the mother with no idea of who could possibly be the father of any of the children. Actually more like a circus freak show, than any talk show. Sick people taking advantage of the uneducated and poor. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Anyone care to guess at the total liquid assets of all the people "stranded" in NO is? Not including anything looted in the past few days. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... snip---- Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Not all of us. Yes, I voted, but not for the majority parties. I'd have sooner voted for myself than those morons. It's clear to me that people running for public office have their own good will in mind, certainly not that of the people. Harold |
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... snip---- Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Not all of us. Yes, I voted, but not for the majority parties. I'd have sooner voted for myself than those morons. It's clear to me that people running for public office have their own good will in mind, certainly not that of the people. Harold Good point Harold. Problem is the backing of the two parties makes the people really worth voting for unheard. Running for office = ego trip (at least among the two parties), if they win it does surely seem for their own good will. Our founding fathers are surely turning in their graves, seeing the self serving politicians we have today. |
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"Chris" wrote in message news "Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... snip---- Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Not all of us. Yes, I voted, but not for the majority parties. I'd have sooner voted for myself than those morons. It's clear to me that people running for public office have their own good will in mind, certainly not that of the people. Harold Good point Harold. Problem is the backing of the two parties makes the people really worth voting for unheard. Running for office = ego trip (at least among the two parties), if they win it does surely seem for their own good will. Our founding fathers are surely turning in their graves, seeing the self serving politicians we have today. You dare call them politicians? What a bunch of *******s we have to serve us these days. Harold |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... I think it's called: "Reverse Darwinism" and THAT should be taught in public schools. Let's subsidize the stupidest of the species and make sure THEY reproduce. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable. In welfare terms it is called "Nike fund". You know the term, were welfare will give more money to the 15yr old that is pregnant. They spit out babies as to get more from welfare. More from welfare means they can afford the $200 pair of Nikes. If you see a welfare recipient with the Nikes, $1k handbag at the nail saloon, getting the $200 nail job done, you know she has to have at least 3 babies at home without any diapers, food, etc, before she can get that much from welfare. At the top of the welfare chain is the one with 5 babies. Ya know the one. They show up on daytime talk shows with 10 or 12 possible fathers passing through, all failing the DNA test. Leaving the mother with no idea of who could possibly be the father of any of the children. Actually more like a circus freak show, than any talk show. Sick people taking advantage of the uneducated and poor. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Didn't welfare start in 1960? If so, I was 7 at the time. |
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"Richard W." wrote in message
... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... I think it's called: "Reverse Darwinism" and THAT should be taught in public schools. Let's subsidize the stupidest of the species and make sure THEY reproduce. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable. In welfare terms it is called "Nike fund". You know the term, were welfare will give more money to the 15yr old that is pregnant. They spit out babies as to get more from welfare. More from welfare means they can afford the $200 pair of Nikes. If you see a welfare recipient with the Nikes, $1k handbag at the nail saloon, getting the $200 nail job done, you know she has to have at least 3 babies at home without any diapers, food, etc, before she can get that much from welfare. At the top of the welfare chain is the one with 5 babies. Ya know the one. They show up on daytime talk shows with 10 or 12 possible fathers passing through, all failing the DNA test. Leaving the mother with no idea of who could possibly be the father of any of the children. Actually more like a circus freak show, than any talk show. Sick people taking advantage of the uneducated and poor. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Didn't welfare start in 1960? If so, I was 7 at the time. 1933 - long before you were born. |
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"RAM^3" wrote in message ... "Richard W." wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... I think it's called: "Reverse Darwinism" and THAT should be taught in public schools. Let's subsidize the stupidest of the species and make sure THEY reproduce. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable. In welfare terms it is called "Nike fund". You know the term, were welfare will give more money to the 15yr old that is pregnant. They spit out babies as to get more from welfare. More from welfare means they can afford the $200 pair of Nikes. If you see a welfare recipient with the Nikes, $1k handbag at the nail saloon, getting the $200 nail job done, you know she has to have at least 3 babies at home without any diapers, food, etc, before she can get that much from welfare. At the top of the welfare chain is the one with 5 babies. Ya know the one. They show up on daytime talk shows with 10 or 12 possible fathers passing through, all failing the DNA test. Leaving the mother with no idea of who could possibly be the father of any of the children. Actually more like a circus freak show, than any talk show. Sick people taking advantage of the uneducated and poor. Apparently smarter people aren't as gullible or controllable Unfortunately the smarter people are gullible and controlled very easily, as we elected the people who put this "free ride" system in place. Didn't welfare start in 1960? If so, I was 7 at the time. 1933 - long before you were born. I thought 1933 was Social Security. |
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"doo" wrote: (clip) I think if I had made the decision to stay, I would have filled every container I could find with water. Filled the bathtub, pots, pans, buckets..anything while the system was working. Stocked up on canned goods, candles, heating sources. If I hadn't secured a source of fresh water beforehand, I certainly woudn't be on CNN stranded on the roof of a hotel, whining about no water. Damn, you got all the water you need, just gotta make it drinkable. Build a still, burn whatever you have to to boil it, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You are unreal! Did you look at any of the pictures of the poor people struggling to survive? Thousands died. And you think you would have been on the roof of the house with boxes of canned goods, and tubs of potable water? Or you're thinking of building a fire to boil the water--on the roof of the house? Come on! |
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Leo Lichtman wrote: "doo" wrote: (clip) I think if I had made the decision to stay, I would have filled every container I could find with water. Filled the bathtub, pots, pans, buckets..anything while the system was working. Stocked up on canned goods, candles, heating sources. If I hadn't secured a source of fresh water beforehand, I certainly woudn't be on CNN stranded on the roof of a hotel, whining about no water. Damn, you got all the water you need, just gotta make it drinkable. Build a still, burn whatever you have to to boil it, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You are unreal! Did you look at any of the pictures of the poor people struggling to survive? Thousands died. And you think you would have been on the roof of the house with boxes of canned goods, and tubs of potable water? Or you're thinking of building a fire to boil the water--on the roof of the house? Come on! To me, you are unreal. Yes, a lot of people died. Some lost entire homes. But if I had given YOU at least 24 hour notice that power was going out, water would be unavailable and food scarce, could you not find SOMETHING to put some water in, maybe grab a can or two of soup or beans, and head for higher ground? The people I saw on the news whining about water were on unflooded streets, on the third floor, and nobody thought to secure basic needs. (My personal opinion is they partied out them storm, then realized too late the magnitude) Also, I can't believe that the people on the rooftops in the harder hit areas found themselves in twenty feet of water in 30 seconds. They had time to make the rooftop, they should have had a jug of water or SOMETHING with them. Hell, they had at least 24 HOURS to prepare. Not 30 seconds. I don't know about you, but if I were to be found dead, I'd rather it be drowned, naked, clutching a sack with water and food than from dehydration, clothed, on a rooftop with a coupon for a free Whopper in my pocket(which I feel would make me look REAL stupid!). So, hide in the attic for a tornado, and the basement for a flood. |
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"doo" wrote in message oups.com... Leo Lichtman wrote: "doo" wrote: (clip) I think if I had made the decision to stay, I would have filled every container I could find with water. Filled the bathtub, pots, pans, buckets..anything while the system was working. Stocked up on canned goods, candles, heating sources. If I hadn't secured a source of fresh water beforehand, I certainly woudn't be on CNN stranded on the roof of a hotel, whining about no water. Damn, you got all the water you need, just gotta make it drinkable. Build a still, burn whatever you have to to boil it, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You are unreal! Did you look at any of the pictures of the poor people struggling to survive? Thousands died. And you think you would have been on the roof of the house with boxes of canned goods, and tubs of potable water? Or you're thinking of building a fire to boil the water--on the roof of the house? Come on! To me, you are unreal. Yes, a lot of people died. Some lost entire homes. But if I had given YOU at least 24 hour notice that power was going out, water would be unavailable and food scarce, could you not find SOMETHING to put some water in, maybe grab a can or two of soup or beans, and head for higher ground? The people I saw on the news whining about water were on unflooded streets, on the third floor, and nobody thought to secure basic needs. (My personal opinion is they partied out them storm, then realized too late the magnitude) Also, I can't believe that the people on the rooftops in the harder hit areas found themselves in twenty feet of water in 30 seconds. They had time to make the rooftop, they should have had a jug of water or SOMETHING with them. Hell, they had at least 24 HOURS to prepare. Not 30 seconds. I don't know about you, but if I were to be found dead, I'd rather it be drowned, naked, clutching a sack with water and food than from dehydration, clothed, on a rooftop with a coupon for a free Whopper in my pocket(which I feel would make me look REAL stupid!). I think it can be summed up in one saying "Lifeguard of the gene pool" In wake of the recent tsunami that killed thousands, it should be clear that you cannot stop mother nature. More people die in floods than any other form of nature disaster. Are these smart people? I would guess a good many of them are low in the IQ part. Mankind gave us the technology to provide a clear warning to these people. The smart ones left. I think once again we are forced to deal with the stupid ones. Again stupidity is the black eye to this whole mess. Granted there are exceptions. The city should have a plan for the elderly or disabled to get out, but this, as reported, failed. The rest of the healthy people depend on the government to do everything for them (read welfare), and did not get out. The government did not fail these people, these people failed themselves. Please do not tell me that they could not get out of the city ( save for the disabled and handicap). I am sure that if you told most of these people that there were free $200 Nikes 50 miles outside the city, they would of been there in droves. Priorities are different for the most that are stranded. The SMART ones left. You now see them returning in their cars to the their unfortunately destroyed homes. They are also starting or planning to rebuild. These same people you will not see begging for hand outs. Just as you did not see them taking handouts before the storm. The black eye will come from people who are already receiving government handouts, and expect the government to continue giving them handouts after the storm. Where in the Constitution does it say the government will protect the stupid from floods and hurricanes? I just think a lot less death and resulting issues would of been easily avoided if people had used common sense and left. The smart ones left, the smart ones are returning and rebuilding, without blaming the government, nor taking anything from the government. Other than that I wish the smart ones the best of luck in rebuilding after the disaster. |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:00:41 -0700, doo wrote:
I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? We pay our taxes with the idea that the government is working for us. One of the things that the government is supposed to do is rescue us in times of disaster. That's the whole point of DHS; attempting to prevent disasters and providing relief when they do occur. Seems like a reasonable thing for people to complain about when the government sits on its hands during a disaster. Supposedly the people left behind in NO were unable to leave for various reasons. Why wasn't transportation and shelter provided for these people in order to get them out of the area before the storm hit? It would've saved a lot of lives. Isn't that what we're paying for? Instead the local authorities went from house to house before the storm, making people sign a form stating that they were not leaving, and why. Why not get those who could not leave out? Its not like they didn't know about them. And cripes, why didn't they at least evacuate the hospitals and nursing homes before the storm?? |
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"Artemia Salina" wrote in message news On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:00:41 -0700, doo wrote: We pay our taxes with the idea that the government is working for us. One of the things that the government is supposed to do is rescue us in times of disaster. OK, but two thoughts; 1) Yes, but we should not not expect out rescuer to be sent by the federal government. This why we have local and state governments, they should be the first responders and should be the #1 responsible parties for the event. The Federal function should be supportive, not preemptive. 2) Just because we have governments does not mean that we should leave everything in their hands. If possible, we should conduct our affairs in such a way that we do not NEED rescue. Supposedly the people left behind in NO were unable to leave for various reasons. Unable or UNWILLING. Why wasn't transportation and shelter provided for these people in order to get them out of the area before the storm hit? It would've saved a lot of lives. I agree, and was wondering about this while watching those poor people stand in line for hours on end waiting to enter the Superdome before the storm. Why not just load them into school buses and get them out of town? Had they done that, they would have had many more living people remaining after the disaster...and more schoolbuses! And cripes, why didn't they at least evacuate the hospitals and nursing homes before the storm?? Good point. Vaughn |
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Vaughn wrote: "Artemia Salina" wrote in message news On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:00:41 -0700, doo wrote: We pay our taxes with the idea that the government is working for us. One of the things that the government is supposed to do is rescue us in times of disaster. OK, but two thoughts; 1) Yes, but we should not not expect out rescuer to be sent by the federal government. This why we have local and state governments, they should be the first responders and should be the #1 responsible parties for the event. The Federal function should be supportive, not preemptive. 2) Just because we have governments does not mean that we should leave everything in their hands. If possible, we should conduct our affairs in such a way that we do not NEED rescue. The governor would not let the feds take charge. She said she was worried about political considerations. Just heard that on CNN. Supposedly the people left behind in NO were unable to leave for various reasons. Unable or UNWILLING. Why wasn't transportation and shelter provided for these people in order to get them out of the area before the storm hit? It would've saved a lot of lives. I agree, and was wondering about this while watching those poor people stand in line for hours on end waiting to enter the Superdome before the storm. Why not just load them into school buses and get them out of town? Had they done that, they would have had many more living people remaining after the disaster...and more schoolbuses! And cripes, why didn't they at least evacuate the hospitals and nursing homes before the storm?? Good point. Vaughn |
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"Vaughn" wrote in message ... "Artemia Salina" wrote in message news On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:00:41 -0700, doo wrote: We pay our taxes with the idea that the government is working for us. One of the things that the government is supposed to do is rescue us in times of disaster. OK, but two thoughts; 1) Yes, but we should not not expect out rescuer to be sent by the federal government. This why we have local and state governments, they should be the first responders and should be the #1 responsible parties for the event. The Federal function should be supportive, not preemptive. 2) Just because we have governments does not mean that we should leave everything in their hands. If possible, we should conduct our affairs in such a way that we do not NEED rescue. Supposedly the people left behind in NO were unable to leave for various reasons. Unable or UNWILLING. Why wasn't transportation and shelter provided for these people in order to get them out of the area before the storm hit? It would've saved a lot of lives. I agree, and was wondering about this while watching those poor people stand in line for hours on end waiting to enter the Superdome before the storm. Why not just load them into school buses and get them out of town? Had they done that, they would have had many more living people remaining after the disaster...and more schoolbuses! And cripes, why didn't they at least evacuate the hospitals and nursing homes before the storm?? Good point. Vaughn I think it should be easy to assess that a lot of idiots are ruining it for the bunch (when it this never the case). It is clear that the local government failed. Now we are seeing the local government's failure being blamed on the federal government. If you are that ignorant to rely on the government for your general well being, than good riddance to you. Unfortunately the smarter ones will all be paying for the ignorance of others. I saw a news clip on the telly last night. I full grown man came up to a reporter asking her to go help find his relatives. Now this man seemed fit and more than physically able to do just about anything humanly possible. What in the world would any good do asking a 110lb women, who probably has never set foot in NOs, be able to do, that this man could not do on his own? We have breed a part of our society to rely 100% on others for their well being. During this same run on the telly, there was another shot of a group of people sitting around screaming at the camera "We need help" . Seems like these people were already rescued and were in safe spot. Um.. what kind of help do they need? Most likely the same help that they expected before the crisis. That is free money, food, shelter , etc. Most of us are guilty for allowing this dependence on the government for basic substance of life. As it is being proven in NO, to many people depend on the government, for what most of us work for. We can blame the government, sure. But...not for acting so quickly, but for breeding this society that lacks basic living skills (or survival skills as the OP). These same people will not walk 1 mile for free food, they expect it to be brought to them. How can we expect the same people that cannot feed themselves, ride out a storm. The true tragedy is that NO is getting all the press. Guess that is where the "news" is at. Problem is, from what little I have seen. NO is a nothing compared to what the areas hardest hit are dealing with. Problem is the areas hit hardest, from what little coverage I have seen, are coming back to their homes completely gone. Their comments; "Guess we will have to rebuild, what else can we do". This unfortunately is not news worthy. Complaining, ignorant, helpless fools, that society is better off without, is what is news worthy. After watching some of this craziness on TV, I have come to one conclusion. The government is not handing out free dental care. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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I am always surprised by people who act saddened by the deaths of people
they didn't even know. Honestly, you can't really care about some schlub who probably never contributed anything meaningful to society. Being poor ain't a crime but it sure can make life suck for you and the people you are drawing assistance from. I think that some of those who have to go thru this displacement will work on their birth control skills a little harder. The problem isn't storms or famine or maniacs it is Overpopulation and the need for the less skilled to hunker down in crappy regions. Example: Africa. Why do people in these perpetually poor countries reproduce like there was no tomorrow. One needn't have high education to be able to simply look around themselves and think that maybe bringing another human into this cesspool isn't such a good idea right now. Same in the poor South in this case. Simply too many people for that environment. |
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I guess the true questions for this post is have we as society become
so soft that we can't fend for ourselves anymore? Have we become too reliant on people providing for us? Whatever happened to Basic Survival 101? Funny you should mention this. My wife and I were having a disagreement about this very thing. When it got to the point where she ran out of "good" arguments she said "well, it's a good thing you arent' there. You would have been the first one dead. You don't even know how to pack for camping." The basis for that statement, I am sure, is that my version of camping involves: a fishing line, hook, blade of some sort, a pot and some matches. Depending on season maybe a sleeping bag and tent. (firearms are generally prohibited in most camping areas, but that doesn't always stop me.) She packs everything under the freaking sun and then whines that her pack is too heavy. Survivalist she ain't. I was too floored by her comment to even come up with a response. Only thing I could thing of was "I'm not dumb enough to get caught in that predicament in the first place". JW |
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