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Default Photographs of metal items look rusty



"Ignoramus12789" wrote in message
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I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks

i


Have you tried taking the photo outdoors in natural sunlight?

And why are your eyes naked?


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Ignoramus12789 wrote:

Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks


I would check white balance and remove some red in PhotoShop.
Or even make them b&w :-)

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Ignoramus12789 wrote:
I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks

i

Back off on the red.

Or redo major surfaces.

http://www.tinaja.com/auct01.asp


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When I have that problem it is always the lighting.
So I use the kitchen table in the afternoon when the light is not
direct from the outside. I also use the flash everytime.
Most digital cameras now correct the lighting/exposure so it looks like
the lighting is daylight. If not then the software will do it.
Perhaps your digital camera is not set to correct for lighting.
Finally take a lot of pictures until you get it right.
Remember also that there are colors that are obtrusive and some that
are not. Use a darker shade of blue for a background.

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Ignoramus12789 wrote:


I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks


This is *EXACTLY* why it's totally and utterly foolish to use any other
camera than a Nikon D2x for your eBay pics.

Seriously, stop using the flash if you are using it. Next is to get some
halogen flood lamps and and some (white) not clear fluorescent light
diffusers and build several diffused lights and experiment with different
angles. What you are seeing *IS* the rust that is really there. It just
shows up better under different lighting conditions.


....you forgot to also tear out the kitchen ceiling to install a large
softbox.

Actually, I have great success with an EZ Cube. www.ezcube.com
Easy to set up, and stores the size of a small seat pad.

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Ignoramus12789 wrote:


I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks


I know you'll hate me for suggesting this, but -- how about cleaning the
rust off? G

LLoyd


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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Ignoramus12789 wrote:



I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks



I know you'll hate me for suggesting this, but -- how about cleaning the
rust off? G

LLoyd



It is much easier to clean the rust off the photo than the object.

No point in spending time and effort on anything until it is sold.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf


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Don Lancaster wrote:

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Ignoramus12789 wrote:



I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks



I know you'll hate me for suggesting this, but -- how about cleaning the
rust off? G

LLoyd



It is much easier to clean the rust off the photo than the object.

No point in spending time and effort on anything until it is sold.

Of course, no buyer will complain that the item condition doesn't match
the photo...

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Kurt wrote:
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Don Lancaster wrote:


Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:

Ignoramus12789 wrote:




I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks


I know you'll hate me for suggesting this, but -- how about cleaning the
rust off? G

LLoyd



It is much easier to clean the rust off the photo than the object.

No point in spending time and effort on anything until it is sold.


Of course, no buyer will complain that the item condition doesn't match
the photo...


Since the condition of what we ship nearly always EXCEEDS that of the
photo, you are normally correct.

But we did get negged once for shipping an improved, later, better
performing model of a Tektronix plugin. One that even Tek retained the
same part number on.

Photos tend to emphasize defects and add artifacts. Most of photo
enhancement should consist of removing emphasis and artifacts.

Typically, most of our postprep is involved with distortion correction,
shadow removal, lettering enhancement, and background clarification.

http://www.tinaja.com/auct01.asp for numerous tutorials.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&user id=abeja&sort=3&rows=100&since=-1&rd=1
for many examples of our eBay photos.

Plain and simple, we have the finest photos and images on eBay, bar
none. They consistently pay for themselves many times over.


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Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:

but -- how about cleaning the rust off? G


Before doing that, it might be worth the efford to remove the rust of
his camera's hole-lens.


Nick
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:23:28 +0000, Ignoramus12789 wrote:

I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks


Not directly related to color correction is a cheap trick to produce
"bounce lighting" with the camera's flash. Take a piece of tinfoil
and tape it just under the flash "bulb" on the camera. Then bend the
foil so it acts as a reflector to direct the light up to the ceiling.
This causes the flash to bounce off of the ceiling and down onto the
subject, thereby producing more natural-looking lighting and reducing
glare off of shiny objects. If you don't have a ceiling to bounce the
light off of you can set up a white card above your subject to reflect
the light back down onto it. Because ceilings (or white paper cards)
usually have a flat finish they tend to diffuse the light and soften
shadows somewhat as well.
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:23:28 GMT, Ignoramus12789
wrote:

I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks

i

Along with the other suggestions try changing the white balance. I
have a Pentax camera and was able to get better pictures by setting
the white balance manually. But don't ask me what to set your white
balance with. I just used various backgrounds in my shop until the
pictures looked correct with the shop lighting. The manual says to
point the camera at a white sheet of paper to set the white balance
but I ended up using a light grey wall to get the pictures to look
right.
ERS
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Ignoramus12789 wrote:

This is *EXACTLY* why it's totally and utterly foolish to use any
other camera than a Nikon D2x for your eBay pics.


What, does it remove rust?


Yes, Nikons are only good for hammering rust.

Nick
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"Nick Müller" wrote:
Ignoramus12789 wrote:

This is *EXACTLY* why it's totally and utterly foolish to use any
other camera than a Nikon D2x for your eBay pics.


What, does it remove rust?


Yes, Nikons are only good for hammering rust.

Nick

Ayup! Canon rules! (ducking and running).

Try this Iggy
http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber/light_box_light_tent

Ken.


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Nick Müller wrote:
Ignoramus12789 wrote:


This is *EXACTLY* why it's totally and utterly foolish to use any
other camera than a Nikon D2x for your eBay pics.


What, does it remove rust?



Yes, Nikons are only good for hammering rust.


A bit harsh. Old Nikons were the best. Some of the newer ones aren't so
good, though. I think they really cheaped out on the lower end film
cameras in recent years.

By the way, I think a film camera emphasises rust less, but of course
you don't want to take pictures for eBay on film.

Chris



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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote in message
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Ignoramus12789 wrote:


I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks


This is *EXACTLY* why it's totally and utterly foolish to use any other
camera than a Nikon D2x for your eBay pics.

Seriously, stop using the flash if you are using it. Next is to get some
halogen flood lamps and and some (white) not clear fluorescent light
diffusers and build several diffused lights and experiment with different
angles. What you are seeing *IS* the rust that is really there. It just
shows up better under different lighting conditions.





Rita


Not everyone can afford that kind of camera...me included...so when do

your photography lessons start at your house? I'm starting mine next month
;-)

Tina


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Most hardware stores will sell a liquid or gel rust remover. They usually
contain phosphoric acid. What that does is turn "rust" (FeO2) into FeO,
which is black instead of reddish. It also gets rid of most of it.

It's usually easy to wipe it on and wipe off.

GC

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I noticed that many bare metal items that I photograph with my Fuji
digital camera, look rustier on photos than they do in "real life". I
would like to correct it so that the photos show exactly as much rust
as would be seen by a naked eye. Any thoughts on this? Should Ichange
lighting, or something else? Thanks

i



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