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Splitting the group?
How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic
and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. |
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Don Stauffer wrote:
How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. alt.machines.cnc is far worse... Pete C. |
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"Don Stauffer" wrote in message
... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. And just where is the "OT" designator on THIS off-topic post? I agree!!! The off-topic posts are just so annoying and so hard to get my mouse pointer past that I also have become a "Victim" and deserve some compensation from somebody so I fully intend to sue everybody starting today for off-topic posts...sorry Don, but you're first. Please forward your lawyer's information so I can get started on my vacation plans. (Just kidding) Don, why don't you consider starting a NG like: rec.craft.boring.no-nonsense.just.stuff.I'm.interested.in.only.just.me |
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Why not make a filter to toss anything starting with OT ?
- - Rex Burkheimer Tom Gardner wrote: "Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:39:10 -0500, Rex B wrote:
Why not make a filter to toss anything starting with OT ? With my newsreader (which can filter on regex expressions) that's hard to do. The trouble is that different people write "OT" in so many different ways that its impossible to catch them all without occasionally filtering on-topic posts. Consider trying to write a regex expression to only filter the truly OT subject lines that follow: -OT- Glue head liberals in congress OT Glue head liberals in congress ot Glue head liberals in congress ot-Glue head liberals in congress Other Sources of Metal? Ottman metal shaper info? Off Topic: Glue head liberals in congress Glue head liberals in congress - OT You get the idea. It was taking my newsreader so long to process all of the filters I had carefully written that every check for new posts was taking what seemed like several minutes to complete (on a 1 ghz PC), and still I was losing on-topic posts occasionally. I finally gave up and don't bother any more. Most other groups have rather strict Subject flagging conventions, and for good reason. Usually the flag is enclosed in square brackets at the beginning of the line with a single space after the close-bracket, like: [OT] Glue head liberals in congress With consistency in Subject flagging, off-topic posts would be trivially easy to filter out. Perhaps someone who cannot tolerate off-topic posts here could write up a mini-faq describing the proper format of flagging an OT post, and why, and then post it here on a regular basis. Perhaps the mini-faq could contain instructions for filter writing for various popular newsreaders as well. |
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Artemia Salina wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:39:10 -0500, Rex B wrote: Why not make a filter to toss anything starting with OT ? With my newsreader (which can filter on regex expressions) that's hard to do. The trouble is that different people write "OT" in so many different ways that its impossible to catch them all without occasionally filtering on-topic posts. Consider trying to write a regex expression to only filter the truly OT subject lines that follow: [ ... ] Most other groups have rather strict Subject flagging conventions, and for good reason. Usually the flag is enclosed in square brackets at the beginning of the line with a single space after the close-bracket, like: [OT] Glue head liberals in congress With consistency in Subject flagging, off-topic posts would be trivially easy to filter out. That one would be a good format. The one which is arguably the *worst* is: OT: Glue head liberals in congress because some common newsreader wannabes, Outlook Express as one example, in a misguided attempt to handle not just " " at the start of a subject line, but *all* other language versions as well, just take any two-letter block followed by a ':', and assume that it was "" in *some* language, and replace it with "". This nicely does away with the flagging on an off-topic thread which was properly labeled up to that point. Perhaps someone who cannot tolerate off-topic posts here could write up a mini-faq describing the proper format of flagging an OT post, and why, and then post it here on a regular basis. Perhaps the mini-faq could contain instructions for filter writing for various popular newsreaders as well. It would not do any good, as there are some who refuse to flag OT threads, and others who are convinced that it must look like "OT:", and thus it vanishes. And very few of us properly even change the "Subject: " header when the topic drifts (I'm as guilty as everyone else), so things which drift from on topic to off topic would still not be flagged. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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In article , Rex B
wrote: Why not make a filter to toss anything starting with OT ? - - Rex Burkheimer I filter on that and anything crossposted to the survivalist group. And Cliff. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:38:54 -0500, the opaque Don Stauffer
clearly wrote: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. The same lunacy comes up on the Wreck quite often. Most folks find it easier to hit the I (Ignore thread) button than split the group and have all the OT posts to read on both/multiple groups. One of the main reasons I follow rec.metalheads is for the wide variety of cool and unusual punishment I find here. No change (other than trolls moving on), thanks. ================================================== ======== CAUTION: Do NOT look directly into laser with remaining eyeball! ================================================== ======== http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Design |
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"Strap" sez:
" No change (other than trolls moving on), thanks." Second that, Larry. Mercifully, it seems that all trolls move on, eventually. And even out of the posts of some trolls comes a certain wisdom. Some time back, the posts of the idiot (pardon me, the troll) that posted all the drivel re. converting a V-8 engine to run on steam; even had some redeeming value. It generated some great counter posts that contained a good deal of engine design information; all directed at the ridiculousness of the basic premise. Even way OT posts have a way of sometimes running back "on topic" - well, errr, that is on to some other topic that may be loosely related to metal working. Bob Swinney "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:38:54 -0500, the opaque Don Stauffer clearly wrote: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. The same lunacy comes up on the Wreck quite often. Most folks find it easier to hit the I (Ignore thread) button than split the group and have all the OT posts to read on both/multiple groups. One of the main reasons I follow rec.metalheads is for the wide variety of cool and unusual punishment I find here. ================================================== ======== CAUTION: Do NOT look directly into laser with remaining eyeball! ================================================== ======== http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Design |
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Don, do you have a newsreader that groups the posts by topic? I am
ashamed to say that I use Outlook Express -- I know, not the safest platform -- but it groups all the posts on a given topic under one heading, so if I want to expand it and read I can, or else I can easily go on to other topics. For me, the newsgroup just wouldn't be the same without all the OT posts -- not that I read as much as 10% of them, but from time to time there is an OT that interests me. Meanwhile, whenever I've asked metal-working questions, I've always gotten on-topic and very helpful answers ... Andy |
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see http://www.bizhotline.com/html/evelyn_wood.html
=========== On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:38:54 -0500, Don Stauffer wrote: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. |
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How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic
and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. Actually there is no need to split the group... we just need those people that want to post off topic stuff to do it somewhere else. I don't think anyone comes here looking to hear about someone else political agenda. It is rude to do that. |
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Don Stauffer wrote:
How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. We had the same problem some years agon in de.comp.sys.mac. We agreed to restructure and added a soc group. Now all (read most) of the OT is going to de.comp.sys.mac.soc. All I can do now is to filter at the first occurence of OT or completely filter the whole thread if some wellknown persons start it. I also already know what a few people will answer to my posting. But these have a high risk of beeing permanently filtered. :-) Ni-feed my filter-ck -- Motormodelle / Engine Models: http://www.motor-manufaktur.de Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic more to come ... |
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The political stuff here has gotta go. Let's get back on topic.........
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carneyke wrote:
The political stuff here has gotta go. Let's get back on topic......... Been around long? |
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Yes, I've been around for about 8 years and the last 4 have been terrible
with OT. I could filter, especially Cliff the dickhead........... "Jim Stewart" wrote in message news carneyke wrote: The political stuff here has gotta go. Let's get back on topic......... Been around long? |
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Don Stauffer wrote in news:3KkPe.15$nh6.3861
@news.uswest.net: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. There is no need in that. You just need to use a filter or three. Plonking a couple of unnamed posters will garner a 90% drop in noise, guaranteed. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email http://www.machines-cnc.net:81/ |
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Unnamed Posters ? Let's call a spade a spade or Cliff is a dickhead that
should be banned by the Moderator ! I have never seen any of his posts worth looking at or offer and Metal Work Advice. He's a real piece of junk, oh yeah, there you go, he is junk...that's on subject , Junkyards , Metal ,there you go.... "Anthony" wrote in message ... Don Stauffer wrote in news:3KkPe.15$nh6.3861 @news.uswest.net: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. There is no need in that. You just need to use a filter or three. Plonking a couple of unnamed posters will garner a 90% drop in noise, guaranteed. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email http://www.machines-cnc.net:81/ |
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Kevin wrote: Unnamed Posters ? Let's call a spade a spade or Cliff is a dickhead that should be banned by the Moderator ! Perhaps -- but this is an unmoderated group, so there *is* no moderator to ban him. (Nor or most usenet newsgroups moderated. Only a very few are. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
In article , Kevin wrote: Unnamed Posters ? Let's call a spade a spade or Cliff is a dickhead that should be banned by the Moderator ! Perhaps -- but this is an unmoderated group, so there *is* no moderator to ban him. (Nor or most usenet newsgroups moderated. Only a very few are. If you feel strongly about it, you can call for a shun. It's been effective in the past on flat-out troublemakers. It's doubtful there would be enough of a consenses to get it to work on Cliff, however. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:41 -0700, the opaque Jim Stewart
clearly wrote: DoN. Nichols wrote: In article , Kevin wrote: Unnamed Posters ? Let's call a spade a spade or Cliff is a dickhead that should be banned by the Moderator ! Perhaps -- but this is an unmoderated group, so there *is* no moderator to ban him. (Nor or most usenet newsgroups moderated. Only a very few are. If you feel strongly about it, you can call for a shun. It's been effective in the past on flat-out troublemakers. It's doubtful there would be enough of a consenses to get it to work on Cliff, however. I've recommended that before but it hasn't made a dent. Cliff is an extremely good troll who finds people's hot buttons and pushes them continuously. This will happen as long as people react and post before thinking. sigh Hey, maybe Tom Gardener's breakins are instant karma for his responding -continually- to the trolls. What do you think? ================================================== ======== CAUTION: Do NOT look directly into laser with remaining eyeball! ================================================== ======== http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Design |
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In article ,
Jim Stewart wrote: DoN. Nichols wrote: In article , Kevin wrote: Unnamed Posters ? Let's call a spade a spade or Cliff is a dickhead that should be banned by the Moderator ! Perhaps -- but this is an unmoderated group, so there *is* no moderator to ban him. (Nor or most usenet newsgroups moderated. Only a very few are. If you feel strongly about it, you can call for a shun. *I* don't feel that strongly about it. I was simply pointing out why he was not "banned by the Moderator". I simply use my killfile actively. It's been effective in the past on flat-out troublemakers. It's doubtful there would be enough of a consenses to get it to work on Cliff, however. Agreed. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Anthony wrote:
Don Stauffer wrote in news:3KkPe.15$nh6.3861 @news.uswest.net: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. There is no need in that. You just need to use a filter or three. Plonking a couple of unnamed posters will garner a 90% drop in noise, guaranteed. It takes more time to keep setting up filters than to just skip through the list. If it was only a single thread, fine, but there are new bunches of them every day. I have yet to see a filter smart enough to set itself with what is relevant to a particular newsgroup by itself. Plus it takes extra time to download titles anyway, for filter to work on. Filter (at least on my newsreader)only keeps titles from showing in window, doesn't keep from downloading them. I'm a poor guy- only have dialup, so time to download titles is significant. |
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"Don Stauffer" wrote in message
... It takes more time to keep setting up filters than to just skip through the list. If it was only a single thread, fine, but there are new bunches of them every day. I have yet to see a filter smart enough to set itself with what is relevant to a particular newsgroup by itself. Plus it takes extra time to download titles anyway, for filter to work on. Filter (at least on my newsreader)only keeps titles from showing in window, doesn't keep from downloading them. I'm a poor guy- only have dialup, so time to download titles is significant. Try using XNews as a newsreader. If you think that 56KB download is slow, try using a cell phone connection at 14.4 KB or less. |
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If you think that 56KB download is slow, try using a cell phone connection
at 14.4 KB or less. Right on! Cell phones were never intended to carry data at any appreciable speed. Anyone that thinks otherwise is merely being led around by the nose with advertising from unscrupulous communications companies. IMO, unless in the unlikely event the FCC sets aside some of the other comm. spectrum specifically for data transmission over cellular telephony, it will never become a reality. Some have been severly mislead by the so-called "camera phones" where slow-scan data can transmit a picture of sorts. Gimme a break, already! "Voice" is inherently a low bandwidth medium, despite the claims of Qualcom and others - as throughput expands, such as with CDMA, GSM and other "Hedy Lamar" types of modulation, available bandwidth shrinks. Don't expect wideband data over cell phones in a long, long time, if ever. Bob Swinney "RAM^3" wrote in message ... "Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... It takes more time to keep setting up filters than to just skip through the list. If it was only a single thread, fine, but there are new bunches of them every day. I have yet to see a filter smart enough to set itself with what is relevant to a particular newsgroup by itself. Plus it takes extra time to download titles anyway, for filter to work on. Filter (at least on my newsreader)only keeps titles from showing in window, doesn't keep from downloading them. I'm a poor guy- only have dialup, so time to download titles is significant. Try using XNews as a newsreader. |
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"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
... If you think that 56KB download is slow, try using a cell phone connection at 14.4 KB or less. Right on! Cell phones were never intended to carry data at any appreciable speed. Anyone that thinks otherwise is merely being led around by the nose with advertising from unscrupulous communications companies. IMO, unless in the unlikely event the FCC sets aside some of the other comm. spectrum specifically for data transmission over cellular telephony, it will never become a reality. Some have been severly mislead by the so-called "camera phones" where slow-scan data can transmit a picture of sorts. Gimme a break, already! "Voice" is inherently a low bandwidth medium, despite the claims of Qualcom and others - as throughput expands, such as with CDMA, GSM and other "Hedy Lamar" types of modulation, available bandwidth shrinks. Don't expect wideband data over cell phones in a long, long time, if ever. Bob Swinney FWIW, in Digital Service areas, many of the newer phones can achieve 56KB (or more). When we're out RVing we often have 2 machines online through a single cell phone that's providing ~14.4KB. Ya gotta be *patient*! G |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:29:13 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote: If you think that 56KB download is slow, try using a cell phone connection at 14.4 KB or less. Right on! Cell phones were never intended to carry data at any appreciable speed. Anyone that thinks otherwise is merely being led around by the nose with advertising from unscrupulous communications companies. IMO, unless in the unlikely event the FCC sets aside some of the other comm. spectrum specifically for data transmission over cellular telephony, it will never become a reality. Some have been severly mislead by the so-called "camera phones" where slow-scan data can transmit a picture of sorts. Gimme a break, already! "Voice" is inherently a low bandwidth medium, despite the claims of Qualcom and others - as throughput expands, such as with CDMA, GSM and other "Hedy Lamar" types of modulation, available bandwidth shrinks. Don't expect wideband data over cell phones in a long, long time, if ever. Bob Swinney Recall that it was once thought that the 300-3000 Hz bandwidth of telephony could not transfer digital data at greater than 1200 baud. Shannon, at Bell Labs, proved that the error-free information capacity of a channel is determined by it's entropy. He left figuring out how to actually approach that as an exercise. 70 years or so later, we're still working on that, and making some progress. |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:22:15 -0500, RAM^3 wrote:
If you think that 56KB download is slow, try using a cell phone connection at 14.4 KB or less. If you think 14.4K bps is slow, try 300 bps. When I first started using Usenet, I had a 300 baud modem at home. That was a big improvement over the previous generation of 110 baud modems with acoustic couplers. Flamewars and trolls wasted HUGE amounts of time back then. If you were paying for your dialup connection by the minute (as almost everyone did), it could get very expensive. At work, my terminal connected to the machines at 9600 bps, that was screaming fast. -- Ron DeBlock N2JSO If God had meant for Man to see the sunrise, He would have scheduled it later in the day. |
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RAM^3 wrote:
Try using XNews as a newsreader. Does XNews actually have the ability to filter a thread without first downloading all subject lines? |
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"Don Stauffer" wrote in message
... RAM^3 wrote: Try using XNews as a newsreader. Does XNews actually have the ability to filter a thread without first downloading all subject lines? While I haven't seen the internal code, it seems to do that. It *does*, however, do a pretty good job of filtration. |
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Don't bitch. Check rec.boats, and count your blessings.
JR Dweller in the cellar Don Stauffer wrote: How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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"Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. Here we go again..... |
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"Just Me - Lane" wrote in message ... "Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. Here we go again..... Kinda' like an [OT] bitch-bot! You'd think all these manly-men that claw metal for fun wouldn't be such cry-babies. |
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"Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. It would help a lot if posters would stop cross-posting, at least on the political crap. Not likely to happen though and it's more productive to just move on. Some do so, by remaining here and just ignoring the crap, others seem to have given up all together and gone elsewhere. Fitch Williams and Jack Erbes, amongst others fall into the latter group. Mike |
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In article ,
Mike Henry wrote: "Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. It would help a lot if posters would stop cross-posting, at least on the political crap. Not likely to happen though and it's more productive to just move on. Some do so, by remaining here and just ignoring the crap, others seem to have given up all together and gone elsewhere. Fitch Williams and Jack Erbes, amongst others fall into the latter group. Both significant losses. DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Last I heard, Fitch has taken a long term sabbatical to retire, move from CA
to PE, design and build a new house. Let's hope he comes back. Bob Swinney "DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Henry wrote: "Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... How about splitting rcm? One subgroup rec.crafts.metalworking.off-topic and the second rec.crafts.metalworking.on-topic. Seriously, folks, this group is the worst I subscribe to for OT junk, and makes it a pain to scroll through the day's messages. For those that must discuss these OT topics, how about joining some other groups where this stuff would be on topic, and freeing up this group a bit. It would help a lot if posters would stop cross-posting, at least on the political crap. Not likely to happen though and it's more productive to just move on. Some do so, by remaining here and just ignoring the crap, others seem to have given up all together and gone elsewhere. Fitch Williams and Jack Erbes, amongst others fall into the latter group. Both significant losses. DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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