Oversight is not concurrent with analysis.

Well, that's gibber.


Do you always claim to not understand the incredibly obvious?

concurrent: adj, happening or operating at the same time.

oh looky
the dictionary game

"Oversight is not happening at the same time with analysis".

Well, lets see... Oversight can happen at the same time as analysis, so
that's not true. Further, no one said anything about analysis, so that's
just a random word thrown in.

whether -you- want to use that word is irrelevant
the congress does not receive raw data
the data has to be reduced and filtered
and analyzed
before it can be used

all that is the job of the cia and other agencies
-all- of which are supposed to be controlled by shrub

why doesnt shrub take responsibility for his own lies
instead of blaming congress because it was gullible?

do you blame banks for being robbed
instead of the robber with the gun?

IT'S GIBBER!

And you're the idiot monkey that gibbered.

Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.


WOO HOO
We hace ignition in one poast!

"hace"? "poast"?

So do tell me cupcake,

Okay, so you're a pervert. I'm not surprised.

hi sweetcheeks

just how my pointing out you are a moron

You gibber, and you're calling other people "moron"?

Pretty damn funny, but not expected from an ape.

confusing post operational congressional oversight with current
executive analysis would make me a *commie goon*.

You appear to be in a constant state of confusion.

evasion noted

Don't worry, it will pass... After you drop dead.

houston
we have a incipient death threat

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:56:57 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:

Aratzio wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:00:58 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:


Aratzio wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:50:26 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:



mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:




Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.


Oversight is not concurrent with analysis.

Well, that's gibber.


Do you always claim to not understand the incredibly obvious?

concurrent: adj, happening or operating at the same time.

"Oversight is not happening at the same time with analysis".

CONGRESSIONAL oversight does not happen at the same time as executive
branch gathering, analysis and reporting of intelligence. Were you
unclear on that simple easy to grasp point when you got slapped for
being an idiot the first time?



Well, lets see... Oversight can happen at the same time as analysis, so
that's not true. Further, no one said anything about analysis, so that's
just a random word thrown in.

"intelligence gathering operations"
So what do you think is done with the intelligence after it is
gathered, you blithering idiot?

What part of you bringing in CONGRESSIONAL oversight which NEVER
happens at the same time as gathering or analysis did you fail to
grasp, you blithering idiot.


IT'S GIBBER!

Keep, saying that pumpkin and maybe someone will actually believe you
are not foaming at the mouth because people point out you are a
blithering idiot.


And you're the idiot monkey that gibbered.

*snicker*


Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.


WOO HOO
We hace ignition in one poast!

"hace"? "poast"?

*snicker*
Clueless on top of being a blithering idiot. Not a good combination.
Results 1 - 10 of 2,930,000 for hace. (0.26 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of 28,700 for poast. (0.29 seconds)


So do tell me cupcake,

Okay, so you're a pervert. I'm not surprised.

So you believe that someone calls you *cupcake* that makes them a
*pervert*? So what do YOU think the reference to cupcake means,
cupcake?


just how my pointing out you are a moron

You gibber, and you're calling other people "moron"?

Pretending you are not a clueless ****wit while trying to discuss
subjects that far outstrip your meager intellectual capacity. Yes,
cupcake, you are a moron.

I will translate:
Grapefruit are smarter than you.


Pretty damn funny, but not expected from an ape.

So, cupcake, do explain what is the correlation of intelligence
gathering by the executive branch and oversight by the legislative
branch, paying strict attention to the time line of gathering,
analysis, reporting and oversight. Noting of course that the first
three are limited to the executive branch and the latter is a shared
responsibility. How much time passes between reporting of intelligence
analysis performed by the executive branch and the follow-up oversight
by legislative branch?

Now explain just why Mariposa would need an 8th grade civics book to
understand why congress would be involved in determining the current
validity of intelligence presented by the executive branch as evidence
for an invasion of Iraq.


confusing post operational congressional oversight with current
executive analysis would make me a *commie goon*.

You appear to be in a constant state of confusion.

Don't worry, it will pass... After you drop dead.


*snicker*
In other words you have not a clue and are praying I will be
distracted by your ad hominem/non sequitur.

I will ask it again:
What part of me calling you a moron for confusing post operational
congressional oversight with current executive analysis would make me
a *commie goon*?

Come on cupcake, you made the claim that somehow congress could be
held responsible for the lies of the executive branch and that
information could be gleaned from an 8th grade civic text. Back up
your claim with facts or admit you are a blithering idiot incapable of
actual critical thought.



--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:48:22 GMT, Aratzio
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:00:58 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:

Aratzio wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:50:26 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:


mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:



Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.


Oversight is not concurrent with analysis.

Well, that's gibber.

Do you always claim to not understand the incredibly obvious?


Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.

WOO HOO
We hace ignition in one poast!

So do tell me cupcake, just how my pointing out you are a moron
confusing post operational congressional oversight with current
executive analysis would make me a *commie goon*.

Aratzio: 2
Stewie: 0
--
Cliff

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:16:45 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Don't worry, it will pass... After you drop dead.

houston
we have a incipient death threat

He's too dumb.
--
Cliff

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:35:06 -0400, Cliff got
double secret probation because:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:48:22 GMT, Aratzio
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:00:58 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:

Aratzio wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:50:26 -0700, Stuart Grey
transparently proposed:


mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:



Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.


Oversight is not concurrent with analysis.

Well, that's gibber.

Do you always claim to not understand the incredibly obvious?


Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.

WOO HOO
We hace ignition in one poast!

So do tell me cupcake, just how my pointing out you are a moron
confusing post operational congressional oversight with current
executive analysis would make me a *commie goon*.

Aratzio: 2
Stewie: 0

He seemed quite stupid, but the full frothing loon was a pleasant
bonus. I am not sure I would want all kooks to froth quite that easily
though. Would make me lazier than I already am.

'Ratz

Will he googledive to find out who are mariposa and aratzio?

--

Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker - May, 2005

Hammer of Thor - July, 2005

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:25:40 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:

all 5 of the terrorist attacks occured in 2002? All the planning was
done for 9-11 in 2002?

youre right
shrub started planning to invade iraq before 2002
before september 2001

Actually..he was planning on invading Canada, but figured Iraq would
be easier.

today iraq
tomorrow the middle east

lame attempt at diversion gearhead

downing street memo much?
why was clinton still making decisions in the 2001-2003 time frame?

He wasnt. But then..he hadnt been making much in the way of decisions
in the 8 yrs prior either...

does the downing street document clinton lies or shrub lies?
if clinton wasnt president then
why are jou trying to divert from shrubs lies?

Seems that there is still some credibility issues with the DSM.

the 1998 quotes refer to the stalled inspection
and what was being risked by not resuming them

Ayup...and it was declared that Sodamn Insane was building and storing
WMD.

did clinton invade iraq? if not it is irrelevant
diversion noted

Did Clinton let terrorists attack the US 5 times? Your mindless bias
is noted.

the inspection were resumed until terminated by shrub
because they were going to prove shrub was lying

Cites to the "proof"?

wheres the wmd?

Ask Saddam. I would, be we are not allowed to torture him, remember?

the 2002 quotes were after shrub et al lied to the congress
about the nature of the threat

Yes? Those quotes were by Democrats. And more than a few were on the
Intelligence cabinet. They got the intel every day.

given shrubs rabid partisanship
i didnt realize he had democrats running his intelligence cabinet

House Intelligence Committee? And speaking of rabid partisanship..Id
becareful not to let anyone see that foam coming out of your mouth.

you would think he would be allowed to fire and hire people he wanted

It doesnt work that way. Not even when you lefties claim he is the
leader of a totalitarian government. Which btw..if it were true..you
would be dead in a ditch by now.


you never bothered to answer if you have true self determination
if someone else is allowed to impose their own -play nice- rules on you

Depends on if Im committing genocide and mass murder. Doesnt it?

what is the cherokee view on this issue?

Probably the same as the views of those tribes the Cherokees forced
out of their homes and inslaved. History is not your strong suite is
it?

england was imposing play nice rules on the colonies until 1776
by letting them cross the apalachian hills
and grabbing land from the indians

Actually..no..they were participants. The Brits were the ones who came
up with the idea of bounties on scalps too btw.

evasion noted

It only appears to be an evasion to those who are "history challenged"
such as your self.

those play nice rules were one of the reasons for the revolution

Actually no.

stupidity noted

But we still love ya man, even if you are notably stupid.

do you think the usa should apologize to uk and resume colonial status?

Why? We imposed our own Play Nice rules on the Brits. And made it
stick.

what is the lakota view on this issue?

Ask the Mandans or the Anistazi.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:26:29 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Who trusted the President and Executive office to tell the truth.
Congress, every last one of those who voted authorization to find WMD's,
should be impeached for avoiding their responibility too.

Including those Dems who were serving on the House Intelligence
Committe and were getting the raw intel every day?

were they controlling the collection of intelligence?

So you are admitting your Democrat politicians were too stupid to be
able to weed out false data?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:50:26 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:


Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:19:40 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.


does this qualify as godwin yet?

Sigh..once again proof Flower is stupid. Im sure he doesnt even know
what Godwins Law says.

He lives on sound bites.

Gunner


arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

all 5 of the terrorist attacks occured in 2002? All the planning was
done for 9-11 in 2002?

youre right
shrub started planning to invade iraq before 2002
before september 2001

Actually..he was planning on invading Canada, but figured Iraq would
be easier.

embarrasment noted
rather hard to fess up he started the war without legal cause aint it

does the downing street document clinton lies or shrub lies?
if clinton wasnt president then
why are jou trying to divert from shrubs lies?

Seems that there is still some credibility issues with the DSM.

obstufication noted
when did the british government deny it?
whether you find it credible is irrelevant
until you first show you are a credible judge on such matters

did clinton invade iraq? if not it is irrelevant
diversion noted

Did Clinton let terrorists attack the US 5 times? Your mindless bias
is noted.

evasion
clinton didnt invade iraq with lies
shrub did

Cites to the "proof"?

wheres the wmd?

Ask Saddam. I would, be we are not allowed to torture him, remember?

evasion noted
even shrub admited they dont exist

the 2002 quotes were after shrub et al lied to the congress
about the nature of the threat

Yes? Those quotes were by Democrats. And more than a few were on the
Intelligence cabinet. They got the intel every day.

given shrubs rabid partisanship
i didnt realize he had democrats running his intelligence cabinet

House Intelligence Committee? And speaking of rabid partisanship..Id

in the usa the cabinet refers to executive agency
which is under shrubs control not the congress
get your terminology straight binky

as far as congressional committees
they get only what shrub chooses to produce for them
they have no control over cia operations or analysis

becareful not to let anyone see that foam coming out of your mouth.

projection noted
im not distinguishing democrats and republicans in congress
you are

you would think he would be allowed to fire and hire people he wanted

It doesnt work that way. Not even when you lefties claim he is the

stupidity noted
if he didnt trust the director of the cia or fbi
he shouldve fired them
they need senate approval for appointment not dismissal

you never bothered to answer if you have true self determination
if someone else is allowed to impose their own -play nice- rules on you

Depends on if Im committing genocide and mass murder. Doesnt it?

what is the cherokee view on this issue?

Probably the same as the views of those tribes the Cherokees forced
out of their homes and inslaved. History is not your strong suite is
it?

hypocrisy noted
youre allowing the usa to ignore inconvenient rules
while allowing the usa to force them on other sovereign nations
however inconvenient

england was imposing play nice rules on the colonies until 1776
by letting them cross the apalachian hills
and grabbing land from the indians

Actually..no..they were participants. The Brits were the ones who came
up with the idea of bounties on scalps too btw.

evasion noted

It only appears to be an evasion to those who are "history challenged"
such as your self.

evasion continued
if the usa is allowed to apply rules to other sovereign nations
then the usa has to obey the same rules

since youre not demanding uk enforce -play fair- rules
whether they played by them is irrelevant

those play nice rules were one of the reasons for the revolution

Actually no.

stupidity noted

But we still love ya man, even if you are notably stupid.

stupidity continued
read a biography of land speculators like benjamin franklin

do you think the usa should apologize to uk and resume colonial status?

Why? We imposed our own Play Nice rules on the Brits. And made it
stick.

what is the lakota view on this issue?

Ask the Mandans or the Anistazi.

evasion noted
do lakota claim the right to enforce rules on other sovereign nations?

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:19:40 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.


does this qualify as godwin yet?

Sigh..once again proof Flower is stupid. Im sure he doesnt even know
what Godwins Law says.

are you going to fight your tovarisch back for another rant?

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:50:26 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:


Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

you forogt to claim his mother wears combat boots

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:26:29 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Who trusted the President and Executive office to tell the truth.
Congress, every last one of those who voted authorization to find WMD's,
should be impeached for avoiding their responibility too.

Including those Dems who were serving on the House Intelligence
Committe and were getting the raw intel every day?

were they controlling the collection of intelligence?

So you are admitting your Democrat politicians were too stupid to be
able to weed out false data?

thank you for acknowledging shrub cooked the intelligence
he gave to congress

one wonders on your insistence on partisan labels about democrats or republicans
you imply lies deceit mass murder are okay if done by republican
do you have such little esteem for elected officials?

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:57:39 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


were they controlling the collection of intelligence?

So you are admitting your Democrat politicians were too stupid to be
able to weed out false data?

thank you for acknowledging shrub cooked the intelligence
he gave to congress

Your well known reading comprehension issues manifest themselves yet
again, as do your failure in logic

Either Democrats are too stupid to determine that the data was flawed
and they voted for the war in their abject stupidity
or the Democrats voted for the war because the data was good.

Which is it?

one wonders on your insistence on partisan labels about democrats or republicans
you imply lies deceit mass murder are okay if done by republican
do you have such little esteem for elected officials?

Elected orfices? Shrug..as grandma used to say ..they are no better
than they need to be.
As for labels..they are handy to have on bottles so you can tell the
poisonous contents from the medicine contents.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:54:10 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:19:40 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.


does this qualify as godwin yet?

Sigh..once again proof Flower is stupid. Im sure he doesnt even know
what Godwins Law says.

are you going to fight your tovarisch back for another rant?


My tovarisch? Which one, Comrade?
arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:21 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

you forogt to claim my mother wears combat boots

Actually..Id have to say you didnt have a mom, but were formed by
spontanious generation from a vomit pile.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:53:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

all 5 of the terrorist attacks occured in 2002? All the planning was
done for 9-11 in 2002?

youre right
shrub started planning to invade iraq before 2002
before september 2001

Actually..he was planning on invading Canada, but figured Iraq would
be easier.

embarrasment noted
rather hard to fess up he started the war without legal cause aint it

?????

does the downing street document clinton lies or shrub lies?
if clinton wasnt president then
why are jou trying to divert from shrubs lies?

Seems that there is still some credibility issues with the DSM.

obstufication noted
when did the british government deny it?
whether you find it credible is irrelevant
until you first show you are a credible judge on such matters

Attempt to weasel on your part noted. Speaking of creditable
judge..did you get probation again?

did clinton invade iraq? if not it is irrelevant
diversion noted

Did Clinton let terrorists attack the US 5 times? Your mindless bias
is noted.

evasion
clinton didnt invade iraq with lies
shrub did

Cites?

Cites to the "proof"?

wheres the wmd?

Ask Saddam. I would, be we are not allowed to torture him, remember?

evasion noted
even shrub admited they dont exist

Cites?

the 2002 quotes were after shrub et al lied to the congress
about the nature of the threat

Yes? Those quotes were by Democrats. And more than a few were on the
Intelligence cabinet. They got the intel every day.

given shrubs rabid partisanship
i didnt realize he had democrats running his intelligence cabinet

House Intelligence Committee? And speaking of rabid partisanship..Id

in the usa the cabinet refers to executive agency
which is under shrubs control not the congress
get your terminology straight binky


Snicker..for one who is as short bus "challenged" as you..I figure you
had to use google.
as far as congressional committees
they get only what shrub chooses to produce for them
they have no control over cia operations or analysis

Bush provided all the data for all those quotes 2 yrs before he became
president? Wow..Im really impressed!! Damn but he is good.

becareful not to let anyone see that foam coming out of your mouth.

projection noted
im not distinguishing democrats and republicans in congress
you are

Actually..you are a twit. But hey..the internet is a wide place and
Im sure someone hasnt figured that out yet.

you would think he would be allowed to fire and hire people he wanted

It doesnt work that way. Not even when you lefties claim he is the

stupidity noted
if he didnt trust the director of the cia or fbi
he shouldve fired them
they need senate approval for appointment not dismissal

So you are claiming Clinton appointed incompetent moronic buffoons to
those high positions?

you never bothered to answer if you have true self determination
if someone else is allowed to impose their own -play nice- rules on you

Depends on if Im committing genocide and mass murder. Doesnt it?

what is the cherokee view on this issue?

Probably the same as the views of those tribes the Cherokees forced
out of their homes and inslaved. History is not your strong suite is
it?

hypocrisy noted
youre allowing the usa to ignore inconvenient rules
while allowing the usa to force them on other sovereign nations
however inconvenient

Your attempt to weasel (again) is noted.

england was imposing play nice rules on the colonies until 1776
by letting them cross the apalachian hills
and grabbing land from the indians

Actually..no..they were participants. The Brits were the ones who came
up with the idea of bounties on scalps too btw.

evasion noted

Only yours boy..only yours.

It only appears to be an evasion to those who are "history challenged"
such as your self.

evasion continued
if the usa is allowed to apply rules to other sovereign nations
then the usa has to obey the same rules

How many divisions can they field?

since youre not demanding uk enforce -play fair- rules
whether they played by them is irrelevant


Of course I am.

those play nice rules were one of the reasons for the revolution

Actually no.

stupidity noted

But we still love ya man, even if you are notably stupid.

stupidity continued
read a biography of land speculators like benjamin franklin

Yes and?

do you think the usa should apologize to uk and resume colonial status?

Why? We imposed our own Play Nice rules on the Brits. And made it
stick.

what is the lakota view on this issue?

Ask the Mandans or the Anistazi.

evasion noted
do lakota claim the right to enforce rules on other sovereign nations?

Ayup. they certainly did.


Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 02:35:43 GMT, Gunner
transparently proposed:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:19:40 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

Now sit down and STFU.

You wish. Only in your fascist socialist state will you be able to shut
up people telling the truth, you commie goon.


does this qualify as godwin yet?

Sigh..once again proof Flower is stupid. Im sure he doesnt even know
what Godwins Law says.

Wonder if that was why he asked the question?

Won due has two wunder joust wot due go threw teh Gummy *mind*.


He lives on sound bites.

As opposed to Gummy who lives on White House Press releases.

Gunner




--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:53:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

all 5 of the terrorist attacks occured in 2002? All the planning was
done for 9-11 in 2002?

youre right
shrub started planning to invade iraq before 2002
before september 2001

Actually..he was planning on invading Canada, but figured Iraq would
be easier.

embarrasment noted
rather hard to fess up he started the war without legal cause aint it

?????

oh looky
poor gunners brain is melting

does the downing street document clinton lies or shrub lies?
if clinton wasnt president then
why are jou trying to divert from shrubs lies?

Seems that there is still some credibility issues with the DSM.

obstufication noted
when did the british government deny it?
whether you find it credible is irrelevant
until you first show you are a credible judge on such matters

Attempt to weasel on your part noted. Speaking of creditable
judge..did you get probation again?

good
if you cant dispute the message
attack the messenger

you claim the memo is not credible
yet you have no support for your claim except your own cognitive dissonance
so you lash out

evasion
clinton didnt invade iraq with lies
shrub did

Cites?

i suppose next i will have cite evidence that the earth is round

evasion noted
even shrub admited they dont exist

Cites?

in the usa the cabinet refers to executive agency
which is under shrubs control not the congress
get your terminology straight binky


Snicker..for one who is as short bus "challenged" as you..I figure you
had to use google.

thanks for the implicit apology

as far as congressional committees
they get only what shrub chooses to produce for them
they have no control over cia operations or analysis

Bush provided all the data for all those quotes 2 yrs before he became
president? Wow..Im really impressed!! Damn but he is good.

the fact that you cant admit something as simple as
the president is responsible for the performance of the cia
and not the congress
shows you understand just how badly the cia misled the congress

you hope by focusing on the congresss being misled
you will keep all attention from the asshole who misled them

becareful not to let anyone see that foam coming out of your mouth.

projection noted
im not distinguishing democrats and republicans in congress
you are

Actually..you are a twit. But hey..the internet is a wide place and
Im sure someone hasnt figured that out yet.

implicit apology accepted

you would think he would be allowed to fire and hire people he wanted

It doesnt work that way. Not even when you lefties claim he is the

stupidity noted
if he didnt trust the director of the cia or fbi
he shouldve fired them
they need senate approval for appointment not dismissal

So you are claiming Clinton appointed incompetent moronic buffoons to
those high positions?

diversion noted
this about -your- claim that shrub could not remove executive offivers
your claim is obviously false

Depends on if Im committing genocide and mass murder. Doesnt it?

what is the cherokee view on this issue?

Probably the same as the views of those tribes the Cherokees forced
out of their homes and inslaved. History is not your strong suite is
it?

hypocrisy noted
youre allowing the usa to ignore inconvenient rules
while allowing the usa to force them on other sovereign nations
however inconvenient

Your attempt to weasel (again) is noted.

im guess a good tantric buddhist like you doesnt understand
simple christian concepts like hypocrisy

you are the one claiming the usa has the right to enforce -play fiar- rules
and you are the one not requiring the usa to obey those same rules
thats called hypocrisy binky

england was imposing play nice rules on the colonies until 1776
by letting them cross the apalachian hills
and grabbing land from the indians

Actually..no..they were participants. The Brits were the ones who came
up with the idea of bounties on scalps too btw.

evasion noted

Only yours boy..only yours.

only if youre also claiming for england to play the hypocrite
frankly i already know no country comes to the table with clean hands
then again im not the one claiming any country can overrule national soveriegnity

thats your game binky

It only appears to be an evasion to those who are "history challenged"
such as your self.

evasion continued
if the usa is allowed to apply rules to other sovereign nations
then the usa has to obey the same rules

How many divisions can they field?

does might always make right?

since youre not demanding uk enforce -play fair- rules
whether they played by them is irrelevant


Of course I am.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.

that would be pax brittania binky
england has not let been reduced to american colony

those play nice rules were one of the reasons for the revolution

Actually no.

stupidity noted

But we still love ya man, even if you are notably stupid.

stupidity continued
read a biography of land speculators like benjamin franklin

Yes and?

cites please

do you think the usa should apologize to uk and resume colonial status?

Why? We imposed our own Play Nice rules on the Brits. And made it
stick.

what is the lakota view on this issue?

Ask the Mandans or the Anistazi.

evasion noted
do lakota claim the right to enforce rules on other sovereign nations?

Ayup. they certainly did.

i never heard of pax lakokatia before

youre confusing enforcing rules on other sovereign nations
and invading them

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

the confusion is understandable
because the only difference exists in the dim recesses of your skull

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:21 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

you forogt to claim my mother wears combat boots

Actually..Id have to say you didnt have a mom, but were formed by
spontanious generation from a vomit pile.

i luv you when you get so rational

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:57:39 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


were they controlling the collection of intelligence?

So you are admitting your Democrat politicians were too stupid to be
able to weed out false data?

thank you for acknowledging shrub cooked the intelligence
he gave to congress

Your well known reading comprehension issues manifest themselves yet
again, as do your failure in logic

Either Democrats are too stupid to determine that the data was flawed

thanks for again acknowledging the intelligence was cooked

congress doesnt get the data
data without filtering and reduction and analysis is worthless

why do you think commanders have intelligence officers
instead of doing that themselves?

one wonders on your insistence on partisan labels about democrats or
republicans
you imply lies deceit mass murder are okay if done by republican
do you have such little esteem for elected officials?

Elected orfices? Shrug..as grandma used to say ..they are no better
than they need to be.
As for labels..they are handy to have on bottles so you can tell the
poisonous contents from the medicine contents.

noted that you only continue to make partisan attacks
about partisanship

again showing how a good tantric buddhist like yourself
is untrained in simple christian concepts like hypocristy

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Gunner wrote:




"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.


the confusion is understandable
because the only difference exists in the dim recesses of your skull


He has dim recesses? Blimey I didn't realise his brain had any depth.

Stuart Grey wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Stuart Grey wrote:


mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:



Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.


interesting
so youre not denying the intelligence was cooked

Idiot. I didn't deny it because I didn't read all that stupid prattle.
The intelligence wasn't cooked. Only stupid loons think that.

The intelligence was there under Clinton as well as Bush, and was
similar to the intelligence gathered by many other countries.

IF your so stupid as to believe that your boogie man Bush was able to
"cook" all those intelligence sources, even before he took officee,
you're a damned loon.

And if you don't believe intelligence was cherry picked and exploited
for criminal purposes, you're in denial.

Bolton tried to fire CIA analysts who were fighting for the truth
regarding Iraq's WMD capabilities -- doesn't this raise a red flag for
you?

Wouldn't want to be like you wrote:
Stuart Grey wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Stuart Grey wrote:



mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:




Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.


interesting
so youre not denying the intelligence was cooked

Idiot. I didn't deny it because I didn't read all that stupid prattle.
The intelligence wasn't cooked. Only stupid loons think that.

The intelligence was there under Clinton as well as Bush, and was
similar to the intelligence gathered by many other countries.

IF your so stupid as to believe that your boogie man Bush was able to
"cook" all those intelligence sources, even before he took officee,
you're a damned loon.


And if you don't believe intelligence was cherry picked and exploited
for criminal purposes, you're in denial.

MAKE YOUR CASE.

You people keep saying stuff, but it only is so apparent because you're
off in your own little delusional world.

MAKE YOUR CASE.

Prove I'm wrong. Give us the objective facts, ways to verify the
objective facts, and link the verifiable facts together so as to support
your subjective conclusion.

You CAN'T. If you could, we'd AGREE with you and Bush would be in jail.
Yet, you keep saying this, and for all the world appear to be delusional.


Bolton tried to fire CIA analysts who were fighting for the truth
regarding Iraq's WMD capabilities -- doesn't this raise a red flag for
you?

It's clear from the Wilson/Plame debacle that there are those in
Clinton's CIA who were using their CIA office for use as operatives of
the Democrat party.

Here's my case:
1) Plame wrote a memo recommending her husband go to Niger to
investigate forged documents.
2) Wilson said he hated Bush 43, and wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher.
3) Wilson's Niger mission was irrelevant. Even if he found the documents
to be forged, it wouldn't (and didn't) change anyone's mind. That is,
there was no legit reason to go, as the answer made no difference.
4) Wilson used this trip, which had no legit usage, to claim that the
Bush SOTU address facts (which were exactly true) were FALSE.
5) Wilson was caught in a lie when he said the Administration KNEW the
things he said were false.

You can find all these objective facts in the commission's report.

It is clear that: Wilson was a partison, sent on a mission that had no
purpose other than a political one, that he was sent by anti-Bush people
within the CIA.

Ergo, the CIA was getting involved in dirty tricks to influence domestic
politics. If you want a free society, you cannot have an political dirty
trick machine covered by government secrecy requirments, and these
people SHOULD be fired. Q.E.D.

Now, you're going to rant, deny all the well documented objective facts,
and retreat to your Dummycrat Bozo world of delusions.

Have a nice day.

MAKE YOUR CASE.

been there
done that
you ignore it

Prove I'm wrong. Give us the objective facts, ways to verify the
objective facts, and link the verifiable facts together so as to support

what are acceptable methods of verification?

this is the old alt-atheist trick
they talk about being rational and objective
and then they talk about -evidence-
and all their irrational subjectivity is hidden
in that one word -evidence-
the correct response being

what is your objective criteria for deciding what is verification?

It's clear from the Wilson/Plame debacle that there are those in
Clinton's CIA who were using their CIA office for use as operatives of
the Democrat party.

clinton hasnt running the cia since midjanurary 2001
if your complaining about the cia since then
you are complaining about how shrub runs the cia

i also note its only people who whine about democrat partisanship
that even bring up the issue of who belongs to what party

i also note youre slandering plame by implication
and you present no -credible objective facts-
that she was abusing her position in the cia
not that anything her husband said about the niger yellowcake was false

It is clear that: Wilson was a partison, sent on a mission that had no
purpose other than a political one, that he was sent by anti-Bush people
within the CIA.

instead you want point to some vast democrat conspiracy
that tricked shrub into a planning a war before 11 september
invented evidence and lied to congress and started an illegal war

apparently the conspiracy hinged on repeatedly warning shrub
that his so-called evidence didnt exist

that was the especially tricky part

trick machine covered by government secrecy requirments, and these
people SHOULD be fired. Q.E.D.

so why did shrub give away freedom medals instead?
it appears he was satisified with how the cia was being managed

Now, you're going to rant, deny all the well documented objective facts,
and retreat to your Dummycrat Bozo world of delusions.

partisan attack noted

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article , Guido
wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Gunner wrote:




"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.


the confusion is understandable
because the only difference exists in the dim recesses of your skull


He has dim recesses? Blimey I didn't realise his brain had any depth.

a cave can have depths
even when filled with nothing but air

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

"Guido" wrote in message
...
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Gunner wrote:




"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.


the confusion is understandable
because the only difference exists in the dim recesses of your skull


He has dim recesses? Blimey I didn't realise his brain had any depth.

Even a thin and slimy oil slick has depth - just not much, and it's entirely
toxic.

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:57:39 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:26:29 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Who trusted the President and Executive office to tell the truth.
Congress, every last one of those who voted authorization to find WMD's,
should be impeached for avoiding their responibility too.

Including those Dems who were serving on the House Intelligence
Committe and were getting the raw intel every day?

were they controlling the collection of intelligence?

So you are admitting your Democrat politicians were too stupid to be
able to weed out false data?

thank you for acknowledging shrub cooked the intelligence
he gave to congress

mariposas : 20
gummer: - 30

--
Cliff

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:21 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

you forogt to claim his mother wears combat boots

Have you met Shu yet?
http://www.nancysinatra.com/intro.html
--
Cliff

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:49:07 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:21 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

you forogt to claim my mother wears combat boots

Actually..Id have to say you didnt have a mom, but were formed by
spontanious generation from a vomit pile.

i luv you when you get so rational

Typical winger attempting to use reasoning & facts.
Ask him about those "WMDs" G.
--
Cliff

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:54:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:57:39 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


were they controlling the collection of intelligence?

So you are admitting your Democrat politicians were too stupid to be
able to weed out false data?

thank you for acknowledging shrub cooked the intelligence
he gave to congress

Your well known reading comprehension issues manifest themselves yet
again, as do your failure in logic

Either Democrats are too stupid to determine that the data was flawed

thanks for again acknowledging the intelligence was cooked

Another shining example of your comprehension issues. Which btw appear
to be getting worse as this thread progresses.

Now will you answer the question which you snipped out?

"Either Democrats are too stupid to determine that the data was flawed
and they voted for the war in their abject stupidity
or the Democrats voted for the war because the data was good.

Which is it?"

congress doesnt get the data
data without filtering and reduction and analysis is worthless

You have cites that the intelligence committies are given data thats
unable to be analyiesed?

why do you think commanders have intelligence officers
instead of doing that themselves?

This has what to do with the House Intelligence Committie?

one wonders on your insistence on partisan labels about democrats or
republicans
you imply lies deceit mass murder are okay if done by republican
do you have such little esteem for elected officials?

Elected orfices? Shrug..as grandma used to say ..they are no better
than they need to be.
As for labels..they are handy to have on bottles so you can tell the
poisonous contents from the medicine contents.

noted that you only continue to make partisan attacks
about partisanship

Noted that you are too stupid to see the logic.

again showing how a good tantric buddhist like yourself
is untrained in simple christian concepts like hypocristy

Anyone see the irony of the above statement? And the pure
buffoonishment inherent in attributing "christian" concepts to a
Buddhist?

And what do you think you know about my sexuality? You did make the
claim that you know that Im a tantric Buddhist. Do you even have a
clue what that is?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On 24 Aug 2005 11:29:35 -0700, "Wouldn't want to be like you"
wrote:


Stuart Grey wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Stuart Grey wrote:


mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:



Bush lied. Powell lied. Cheney lied. Rove lied. Rice lied. Rumsfeld
lied. Wolfowitz lied. Perl lied. Not just minor mistakes, lies about a
blowjob, or lies of ommission but treasonous lies that killed Americans.

-- Regards, Curly


Odd..if they lied..so did these Democrats


you keep commenting on the failure of the congress
to properly control the cia
in the collection of intelligence

exactly when was the cia and other intelligence gathering operations
in the dod and state department and elsewhere
transfered from the executive branch to the legislative branch?

Oversight is what the congress does.


interesting
so youre not denying the intelligence was cooked

Idiot. I didn't deny it because I didn't read all that stupid prattle.
The intelligence wasn't cooked. Only stupid loons think that.

The intelligence was there under Clinton as well as Bush, and was
similar to the intelligence gathered by many other countries.

IF your so stupid as to believe that your boogie man Bush was able to
"cook" all those intelligence sources, even before he took officee,
you're a damned loon.

And if you don't believe intelligence was cherry picked and exploited
for criminal purposes, you're in denial.

So why would Clintons intelligence gatherers lie?

Btw...ABLE-DANGER is not going to die away....chuckle...its gonna grow
larger until the Democrats who allowed 9-11 to happen are tried,
convicted and executed.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:49:07 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:21 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

you forogt to claim my mother wears combat boots

Actually..Id have to say you didnt have a mom, but were formed by
spontanious generation from a vomit pile.

i luv you when you get so rational

Ah..so you had another moment of dazzling clarity? You really need
more of them.

Btw...still waiting for the answer to 2 questions I posed to you.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:48:26 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

youre right
shrub started planning to invade iraq before 2002
before september 2001

Actually..he was planning on invading Canada, but figured Iraq would
be easier.

embarrasment noted
rather hard to fess up he started the war without legal cause aint it

?????

oh looky
poor gunners brain is melting


Odd how many of the mentally ill Ive encountered that say much the
same thing when their gibberish is incomprehensable.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:48:26 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

youre right
shrub started planning to invade iraq before 2002
before september 2001

Actually..he was planning on invading Canada, but figured Iraq would
be easier.

embarrasment noted
rather hard to fess up he started the war without legal cause aint it

?????

oh looky
poor gunners brain is melting


Odd how many of the mentally ill Ive encountered that say much the
same thing when their gibberish is incomprehensable.

old soviet union tactic to deal with critics

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:49:07 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:21 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
greykitten tomys des anges wrote:


Oversight is what the congress does.

Now sit down and read you're 8th grade civics book.

Ill bet he follows the sentences with his finger and his mouth moves
as he reads. Any takers?

you forogt to claim my mother wears combat boots

Actually..Id have to say you didnt have a mom, but were formed by
spontanious generation from a vomit pile.

i luv you when you get so rational

Ah..so you had another moment of dazzling clarity? You really need
more of them.

Btw...still waiting for the answer to 2 questions I posed to you.

i am a thousand points of lights

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

And if you don't believe intelligence was cherry picked and exploited
for criminal purposes, you're in denial.

So why would Clintons intelligence gatherers lie?

clinton was still president in 2002?
why didnt shrub exercise better management over the executive branch?

Btw...ABLE-DANGER is not going to die away....chuckle...its gonna grow
larger until the Democrats who allowed 9-11 to happen are tried,
convicted and executed.

how many democrats were president on 11 september?

why do you keep blaming democrats
and whine about partisanship?

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

Now will you answer the question which you snipped out?

why do you obsessively need to point out the intelligence was cooked?
if the intelligence was accurate congress whould not have been presented
with flawed data

why dont you hold shrub responbsible for his actions?
isnt this a new era of responsibility?

why do you continue to blame everything on a minority party in both houses?
why do you continue to blame everything on someone who hasnt been president
for over four years?
why do you contrinue to distinguish between democrats and republicans?
why do you continue to find excuses for the one person
who is supposed to be responsible for the executive branch?

are you now saying the buck stops over there?

congress doesnt get the data
data without filtering and reduction and analysis is worthless

You have cites that the intelligence committies are given data thats
unable to be analyiesed?

do i have cites for something i never mentioned?

why do you think commanders have intelligence officers
instead of doing that themselves?

This has what to do with the House Intelligence Committie?

evasion noted

one wonders on your insistence on partisan labels about democrats or
republicans
you imply lies deceit mass murder are okay if done by republican
do you have such little esteem for elected officials?

Elected orfices? Shrug..as grandma used to say ..they are no better
than they need to be.
As for labels..they are handy to have on bottles so you can tell the
poisonous contents from the medicine contents.

noted that you only continue to make partisan attacks
about partisanship

Noted that you are too stupid to see the logic.

nondenial denial noted

again showing how a good tantric buddhist like yourself
is untrained in simple christian concepts like hypocristy

Anyone see the irony of the above statement? And the pure
buffoonishment inherent in attributing "christian" concepts to a
Buddhist?

is everybody untrained in a concept being attributed that concept?

And what do you think you know about my sexuality? You did make the
claim that you know that Im a tantric Buddhist. Do you even have a
clue what that is?

given that you ripped off your philosophy from otto in a fish called wanda
i actually dont expect any greater intellectual content from you
than otto showed

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:25:24 +0100, Guido wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
In article ,
Gunner wrote:




"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.


the confusion is understandable
because the only difference exists in the dim recesses of your skull


He has dim recesses? Blimey I didn't realise his brain had any depth.

Check the other end.
--
Cliff

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:34:46 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

why do you think commanders have intelligence officers
instead of doing that themselves?

This has what to do with the House Intelligence Committie?

Would that be the one controlled by republicans?
--
Cliff