Newsgroup Proposal
 

I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
.... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
.... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
.... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
... Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
... Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.

"Jim Newell" wrote in message
...
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

snip

Your proposal is very lucid and plausible. But, it will only work on people
who are here to talk about metalworking.

All the others who use metalworking as a subject to turn the conversation to
their agenda will continue to post their drivel about ( ). You fill
in the blank.

Those of us who are busy doing what we talk about have little time to sit
around and post endlessly about political issues. They just don't have a
life. No metalworking. Nothing else to do. I really do wish that most of
the posters who participate in the political discussions would spend as much
time researching about the subject as they do writing about it, because they
are miserably informed individuals judging from the inaccurate and
historically false statements they write.

Yes, it would be nice if these conversations could be nipped in the bud, but
the best way to do that is just not to participate, stay on the topic of
metalworking, and plonk those who are not here for metalworking.

HTH, but I know it won't.

Steve

+1

"Jim Newell" wrote in message
...
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has
automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler
or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

snip

Jim Newell wrote:

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

You have my vote!
It's quite sad that so much valuable information is lost in that noise.
This is the group I have to filter the most threads.


Nick
--
"Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle:
"Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter."
Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen?

""Nick Müller"" wrote: (clip) It's quite sad that so much valuable
information is lost in that noise. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It may be sad, but it is preferable to the Nazi-type censorship you are
advocating.

Jim Newell wrote:
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.

There came a time when i grew frustrated with all the OT political
subjects, I formally left the group vowing to never return. I
(obviously) have returned. I've learned that this group is a form of a
"club" of sorts. Any group or club has a main cause or reason for it's
formation. It also has different personalities with their opinions (as
slanted as they may be). I actually like some of the arguments that
take place, whether i agree or disagree depends on my mood and i've
never really responded to any. There was a thread yesterday regarding
cat urine and it's removal. Pretty much off topic but i thought it was
an interesting query. I don't think you can police political OT threads
without policing the "which plasma cutter, mig welder, abrasive
cabinet, etc. is the best" since most of these subjects have been
covered numerous times.
It can be frustrating to read OT subjects but it helps make up a
complete community of people. Simply ignoring the posts that dont
interest you seems to work the best.

walt

wallster wrote:

Simply ignoring the posts that dont interest you seems to work the best.

I do this already by not subscribing the related groups (or do they talk
about metalworking in alt.politics.clinton, alt.politics.correct,
alt.politics.economics, alt.politics.libertarian, ... (just to name a
few of the 'bout 27 alt.politics groups)?

Nick
--
"Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle:
"Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter."
Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen?

wallster wrote:

Jim Newell wrote:

I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.


There came a time when i grew frustrated with all the OT political
subjects, I formally left the group vowing to never return. I
(obviously) have returned. I've learned that this group is a form of a
"club" of sorts. Any group or club has a main cause or reason for it's
formation. It also has different personalities with their opinions (as
slanted as they may be). I actually like some of the arguments that
take place, whether i agree or disagree depends on my mood and i've
never really responded to any. There was a thread yesterday regarding
cat urine and it's removal. Pretty much off topic but i thought it was
an interesting query. I don't think you can police political OT threads
without policing the "which plasma cutter, mig welder, abrasive
cabinet, etc. is the best" since most of these subjects have been
covered numerous times.
It can be frustrating to read OT subjects but it helps make up a
complete community of people. Simply ignoring the posts that dont
interest you seems to work the best.

walt


Hitler would have made this proposal.

Here it goes... Godwin's Law.


"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

""Nick Müller"" wrote: (clip) It's quite sad that so much valuable
information is lost in that noise. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It may be sad, but it is preferable to the Nazi-type censorship you are
advocating.

In article , Jim Newell says...

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

LOL. I love this. An alternative would be to somehow rig the
usenet so that gunner can't see my, and ed's computer, and
vis-versa. Anyway I vote 100% for it.

Also implement some kind of setup that anyone who trys to
crosspost into - or out of - rcm, has their computer explode
on their desk. That would take care of cliff.

Jim


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In article ,
Jim Newell wrote:
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

[ ... ]

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.

# # ###
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# # # # ###
# ##### #### #
# # #
# # # # ###
# ###### #### ###

(Or for those of you who are using proportional spaced fonts an thus
can't read the above -- an emphatic "Yes!"

Enjoy,
DoN.

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In article ,
"Jim Newell" wrote:

[...]

....Hitler....

Godwin. (:

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http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

Long live Lord Godwin.

Sign me up.
This NG has gotten to be more OT BS than metalworking.


Jim Newell wrote:
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.

Nice but it won't float.
1. if you want this - find a different form of comm.

This was a nicer group before some people joined, but then that is life.

I press the R key to read a tread instantly and step into the next.
Sometimes it takes 3 or 4 R's to be beyond what I want to read.
A little work like that is worth the First Amendment or just common sense.

Martin

Jim Newell wrote:

I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.




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"Jim Newell" wrote in message
...
-snip-
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in
this
-snip-

"Nipped in the bud" is probably what you were looking for.

Eide wrote:
"Jim Newell" wrote in message
...
-snip-
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters
in this
-snip-

"Nipped in the bud" is probably what you were looking for.

If you all believed in god this would not be a problem!
(GBF**ingHG)

Ken.

On 30 May 2005 14:16:37 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Jim Newell says...

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

LOL. I love this. An alternative would be to somehow rig the
usenet so that gunner can't see my, and ed's computer, and
vis-versa. Anyway I vote 100% for it.

Thats called a kill file. Eds already in it along with Cliff. And when
I last peeked in there..it wasnt a pretty sight. Not even for someone
used to seeing balding fat men in pink tutus, here in California.

You..I simply enjoy.
Refuting, tormenting, reviling....

G


Also implement some kind of setup that anyone who trys to
crosspost into - or out of - rcm, has their computer explode
on their desk. That would take care of cliff.

Jim

And of course you would be doa in a cloud of smoke and powder coated
shrapnel yourself....

G

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

you dammed nazi


"Jim Newell" wrote in message
...
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has
automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler
or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in
this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction
of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.

In article , Gunner says...

Also implement some kind of setup that anyone who trys to
crosspost into - or out of - rcm, has their computer explode
on their desk. That would take care of cliff.

And of course you would be doa in a cloud of smoke and powder coated
shrapnel yourself....

Now you *know* that's the biggest load of used oats you've
*ever* tried to propogate here. Unmitigated malarky to be
truthful.

I don't, and never have crossposted. And when I post via
newsguy, it trims the newsgroup list so it's only the
primary one - which for me is always rcm, never the other
dreck.

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person who
provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me that was
X-posted into the other ngs.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:
"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

Pretty much the entire IT staff here...

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:
"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

Pretty much the entire IT staff here...

Blech! How can anyone stomach that stuff? I'd rather swallow a handful of
sugar, pop a couple of Vivarins, and wash it down with some water.

"DeepDiver" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:
"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

Pretty much the entire IT staff here...

Blech! How can anyone stomach that stuff? I'd rather swallow a handful of
sugar, pop a couple of Vivarins, and wash it down with some water.


It makes an excellent mixer with Rum. [Yah - surprised me too! G]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:25:35 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:
"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

Pretty much the entire IT staff here...

Blech! How can anyone stomach that stuff? I'd rather swallow a handful of
sugar, pop a couple of Vivarins, and wash it down with some water.

And...how would that be any different, exactly? Aside from lacking
convenience, that is? I don't drink it for the _flavor_...

Dave "A nice single-malt Scotch, on the other hand..." Hinz

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...

In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O


Pretty much the entire IT staff here...

It used to be popular with long-distance bikers. They would abstain
totally from caffeine. On a long ride they would carry a bottle of MD.
When they needed a sprint to the finish, they chug the MD. The
high-caffeine content would hit their now caffeine-sensitive system, and
off they'd go!

In article , DeepDiver says...

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

I think the beverage was correctly chosen for the person in
question....

Jim


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On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote:

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O

Dale Gribble, and all of the hunched-over-the-keyboard chain smoking
survivalist-pretenders the character is based on.

Wayne

On 30 May 2005 14:16:37 -0700, the inscrutable jim rozen
spake:

In article , Jim Newell says...

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

LOL. I love this. An alternative would be to somehow rig the
usenet so that gunner can't see my, and ed's computer, and
vis-versa. Anyway I vote 100% for it.

Also implement some kind of setup that anyone who trys to
crosspost into - or out of - rcm, has their computer explode
on their desk. That would take care of cliff.

All you guys have to do is stop -replying- to the jerk if you
want him to stop showing up on your computer. That and plonk
him like the rest of us did. But NOOOOOO, 'lebenty seben of you
guys continue to return his trolls day after day after day...
sigh

I'd like spammers' computers to electrocute them, please, while
we're on the wish list for fidiots.


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In article ,
jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says...

Also implement some kind of setup that anyone who trys to
crosspost into - or out of - rcm, has their computer explode
on their desk. That would take care of cliff.

And of course you would be doa in a cloud of smoke and powder coated
shrapnel yourself....

Now you *know* that's the biggest load of used oats you've
*ever* tried to propogate here. Unmitigated malarky to be
truthful.

I don't, and never have crossposted. And when I post via
newsguy, it trims the newsgroup list so it's only the
primary one - which for me is always rcm, never the other
dreck.

So -- *you* are the reason why long threads that my killfile has
been happily trashing will suddenly sprout here. As long as it is
heavily cross-posted, or if crossposted to the survivalism newsgroup at
all, it gets zapped. Once you narrow the newsgroup list down to just
rec.crafts.metalworking, I start seeing your posting, and all of the
followups.

I would honestly rather that you left the crossposting in an
already crossposted thread to which you feel you must reply. At least,
then I would not need to see it -- and everything posted in response
to it.

Now -- if you want to trim the newsgroups to only one of the
other ones, it won't make me unhappy at all. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 17:02:37 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On 30 May 2005 14:16:37 -0700, the inscrutable jim rozen
spake:

In article , Jim Newell says...

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

LOL. I love this. An alternative would be to somehow rig the
usenet so that gunner can't see my, and ed's computer, and
vis-versa. Anyway I vote 100% for it.

Also implement some kind of setup that anyone who trys to
crosspost into - or out of - rcm, has their computer explode
on their desk. That would take care of cliff.

All you guys have to do is stop -replying- to the jerk if you
want him to stop showing up on your computer. That and plonk
him like the rest of us did. But NOOOOOO, 'lebenty seben of you
guys continue to return his trolls day after day after day...
sigh

I'd like spammers' computers to electrocute them, please, while
we're on the wish list for fidiots.


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Amazes me that they crosspost, as if anyone gives a **** about
political garbage.

Regards

Daveb

On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:23 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote:

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner says...

So, a wee challange: a case of Mt. Dew to the person
who provides the (non-photoshopped...) post from me
that was X-posted into the other ngs.

Who on earth, beyond the age of their pimply-teen years, drinks Mountain
Dew? :O


Gunner slowly raises his hand.

but..but..but I only drink Diet Mt. Dew.

About 2 liters a day.

Caffeine...gotta love it.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

In article , DoN. Nichols says...

So -- *you* are the reason why long threads that my killfile has
been happily trashing will suddenly sprout here. As long as it is
heavily cross-posted, or if crossposted to the survivalism newsgroup at
all, it gets zapped. Once you narrow the newsgroup list down to just
rec.crafts.metalworking, I start seeing your posting, and all of the
followups.

Uh oh. I've ticked off DoN, of all folks.

gulp

Now I think my computer's *definitely* going to explode someday.

I would honestly rather that you left the crossposting in an
already crossposted thread to which you feel you must reply. At least,
then I would not need to see it -- and everything posted in response
to it.

Hmm. I would have to go in there and add them back in again I
think. Newsguy does trim them out automatically. I think
you should try to implement the '*Gunner's* computer explodes'
algorithm instead.

g

Jim


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In article ,
jim rozen wrote:
In article , DoN. Nichols says...

So -- *you* are the reason why long threads that my killfile has
been happily trashing will suddenly sprout here. As long as it is
heavily cross-posted, or if crossposted to the survivalism newsgroup at
all, it gets zapped. Once you narrow the newsgroup list down to just
rec.crafts.metalworking, I start seeing your posting, and all of the
followups.

Uh oh. I've ticked off DoN, of all folks.

You didn't know the effect that your dropping of the other
newsgroups would have.

And I suspect that there are others doing the same.

But every once in a while, a new thread appears, with 20-40
unread new articles, and a thread map full of stuff which I didn't see,
but a step back shows that they were cross-posted and the current one is
not. So -- another thread addition to my killfile.

gulp

Now I think my computer's *definitely* going to explode someday.

That may be -- but not from my actions. :-)

I would honestly rather that you left the crossposting in an
already crossposted thread to which you feel you must reply. At least,
then I would not need to see it -- and everything posted in response
to it.

Hmm. I would have to go in there and add them back in again I
think. Newsguy does trim them out automatically.

Is there some kind of "group" reply which will retain them all,
and not e-mail to the current poster? I don't know the Newsguy
newsreader. (Is it a custom newsreader from them, or can you use just
any newsreader?

I think
you should try to implement the '*Gunner's* computer explodes'
algorithm instead.

Hmm ... rather difficult. Now if we could tune it to be so only
when he (or any other) drags in another cross-post from another
newsgroup (does he still do that? That's one of the things that my
anti-cross-posting filters eliminate.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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In article , DoN. Nichols says...

Is there some kind of "group" reply which will retain them all,
and not e-mail to the current poster? I don't know the Newsguy
newsreader. (Is it a custom newsreader from them, or can you use just
any newsreader?

It's ahem a web-based service. Because I run all my computers
bare bones without any javascript or other bells-n-whistles
enabled, a lot of the features are not useable. I sorta like it
that way.

I got into usenet when OS2 had a nice application for doing this,
and when that went away, I found dejanews. When dejanews got
bought out by google, they pretty much trashed the usenet
end of it (it's gotten a bit better but still not the same) so
I opted for newsguy.

I think
you should try to implement the '*Gunner's* computer explodes'
algorithm instead.

Hmm ... rather difficult. Now if we could tune it to be so only
when he (or any other) drags in another cross-post from another
newsgroup (does he still do that? That's one of the things that my
anti-cross-posting filters eliminate.

Not so much him as Cliff.

Jim


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I went to the coffee shop yesterday with a bunch of friends and sombody had
the NERVE to talk about something other than coffee...we killed him!

"Jim Newell" wrote in message
...
I am making this post in hopes that perhaps the users/posters of this
newsgroup might consider the implementation of Godwin's Law, as well as a
modification to this law.

Godwin's law states that: As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There
is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is
made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has
automatically
lost the argument.

My proposal is that we implement Godwin's Law outright concerning Hitler
or
Nazis, as well as include the addition of Bush, Clinton, Democrats, or
Republicans as trigger points for ending a thread.

The advantage would be that 30-post thread running over 2 weeks could be
nipped in the butt after the second or third post (given the posters in
this
newsgroup), and everyone could move on.

Here is an example:

Typical Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bushes fault.
Poster #3: It's all Clinton's fault.
... one week later ..
Poster # 2,212: Republicans suck.
Poster # 2,213: Democrats suck.
... two weeks later ..
Poster # 4,492: Bush sucks.
Poster # 4,493: Clintons sucks.
... three weeks later ..
Poster # 10,492: Bush is a drunk, cocaine snorter.
Poster # 10,493: Clinton got blowjobs in the oval office.

New improved Rec.Crafts.Metalworking thread:

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Bush's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

or;

Poster #1: Social Security is in trouble.
Poster #2: It's all Clinton's fault.
Poster #3: Godwin's Law
.. Conversation over .

This would really save a bunch of people a huge amount of time. We would
still, over time, get everyone's slanted view based on their destruction
of
threads, everyone still gets to be polarizing at one point or another, and
lot's of time is left for the real reason behind this group which is to
learn from people's experiences.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:52:15 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

but..but..but I only drink Diet Mt. Dew.

About 2 liters a day.

Caffeine...gotta love it.

Gunner

Ah yes, "diet" soda caffeine, smoking, and umpteen hours per day of
chair time - the oh-so easy and affordable therapy of choice for
Coronary Artery Disease patients. It's hard to imagine how anyone
could top that level of healthcare and personal budget wisdom. Here's
a thought - you could shine the same penetrating light on geopolitics
and macroeconomics by posting many thousands of opinions about those
subjects in a metalworking newsgroup.

Wayne

"wmbjk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:52:15 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Caffeine...gotta love it.

Gunner

Ah yes, "diet" soda caffeine, smoking, and umpteen hours per day
of chair time - the oh-so easy and affordable therapy of choice
for Coronary Artery Disease patients.

Wayne, why do you care how Gunner takes care of his health. It's his life,
let him live it, enjoy it, and/or waste it as he sees fit. Do you think
Gunner needs or wants another mommy -- and are you volunteering for the job?

This is where true conservatives and liberals radically disagree: personal
liberty. Conservatives believe in personal freedom and the resulting
personal responsibility for their own behavior. Liberals feel they have to
control everyone else's lives (mob dictatorship), and in doing so, absolve
people of their own responsibility and accountability.


It's hard to imagine how anyone could top that level of healthcare
and personal budget wisdom.

I guess you've never heard of homosexuality, recreational drug use, and the
spread of AIDS. Or do you lecture those people too?

In article , Larry Jaques says...

On 30 May 2005 14:16:37 -0700, the inscrutable jim rozen

Say what? Since when?

All you guys have to do is stop -replying- to the jerk if you
want him to stop showing up on your computer. That and plonk
him like the rest of us did. But NOOOOOO, 'lebenty seben of you
guys continue to return his trolls day after day after day...
sigh

I do this. I shun Cliff. Not gunner because he's pretty
much stopped X-posting, and does provide considerable,
ah, entertainment. Etc.

Jim


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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:02:35 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote:

"wmbjk" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:52:15 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Caffeine...gotta love it.

Gunner

Ah yes, "diet" soda caffeine, smoking, and umpteen hours per day
of chair time - the oh-so easy and affordable therapy of choice
for Coronary Artery Disease patients.

Wayne, why do you care how Gunner takes care of his health. It's his life,
let him live it, enjoy it, and/or waste it as he sees fit. Do you think
Gunner needs or wants another mommy -- and are you volunteering for the job?

This is where true conservatives and liberals radically disagree: personal
liberty. Conservatives believe in personal freedom and the resulting
personal responsibility for their own behavior. Liberals feel they have to
control everyone else's lives (mob dictatorship), and in doing so, absolve
people of their own responsibility and accountability.


It's hard to imagine how anyone could top that level of healthcare
and personal budget wisdom.

I guess you've never heard of homosexuality, recreational drug use, and the
spread of AIDS. Or do you lecture those people too?

Wayne would never criticize anyone that he shares a lifestyle and
likely a disease with.

Interesting thing about heart disease. My wife for an example. Non
smoker, good eater, always right at the perfect height weight
norm...low blood pressure, perfect cholesterol, active in Jazzercise,
dancer, no history of drug or booze...

Had a massive MI at the age of 45 during a camping trip. She needed
and got a double bypass that day. Seems she had massive arterial
blockages. She since has had 6 angioplasties, as she kept plugging
off. They found she had Factor V/Leiden..a blood disorder that is
genetic and causes her blood cells to clot within the arteries.

Her father died at the age of 45 of a MI and both of her brothers had
heart attacks at 45 yrs of age. Both have had bypasses, and many
angioplasties. She passed on her medical information to their doctors
last year...and guess what? They all have the same genetic disease.

My family..all the males tend to live to ripe old ages, drinking,
smoking, whoring around. Nearly all live into their late 90s.
But they all have angina, as do I.
Except for my Uncle Paul. The handball champion, triathalete. None
smoker, non drinker. Dropped dead during the Ironman.

When I had my heart issue, my blood pressure was high normal, heart
rate was 68, chloresteral was perfect and I was working 80 hours a
week as a traveling machine tool repair tech. Spent a fair amount of
time in the saddle as well. Shrug.

They found two blockages in my arteries. A stent was placed in one,
both were roto routed sucessfully. 5 more were routorouted as a
preventive matter. The plaque build up was evidently a result of poor
diet because I was on the road all the time, lack of sleep, and
admittedly my smoking. Not as a result of being a couch potato. I
weigh at 51, 15 pounds more than I did when I graduated from
highschool. If I work really hard at it..I can still do a couple one
handed pullups. But that is because of the two back surgeries Ive
had..and the blown out rotator cuff and bone splinters in the socket.
Im doing good on eating right, getting enough sleep, and have cut way
back on my smoking.

Can I run a mile? No. But I couldnt after 1973 anyways due to other
injuries received in a galaxy far far away.

Can I still kick Whiney Waynes ass? Yep. and properly too.

G

Wayne has some sort of bug up his ass. Not sure what it is..shrug.

But frankly..I care less about his opinion than I do about the whining
dreck that comes out of a Liberal. So let him spew.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner