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The British and shopping cart technology
Moray Cuthill wrote:
and the person who tried to introduce them would be told where to stick them. It only because you're not used to them. I hate using trolleys with fixed wheels. Change dot to reply that's the surplus vs shortage heritage showing thru. the colonists want to just guide the cart w/the least amount of attention/effort. the Brits want to keep _both_ hands on it and be ready to flog-off any light fingered ******* who makes a grap for his "stuff". --Loren (just kidding, grin) "Peter Reilley" wrote in message ... I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. As you push it along it will move in any direction. You choose the direction of movement by muscling it in that direction. This is not too bad when the floors are flat but on sloping floors it is a real struggle. Many British markets are in old buildings and they often have sloping sections from one level to another. At Heathrow Airport there are ramps between floors. If you have a heavy load and are pushing it up a ramp, it can get away from you quite easily. Perhaps someone could introduce American cart design, where the rear wheels are fixed, to the British and make a lot of money. ;-) Pete. |
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Just think what it would have been if it had been made in France. |
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All 4 wheels fixed to go straight? 2 straight forward and 2 straight
sideways? -- Ron Thompson On the Beautiful Mississippi Gulf Coast USA http://www.plansandprojects.com Where did everyone go? Oh, yeah. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/castinghobby/ Y'all come, ya hear? ******* "Tfmccarley" wrote in message ... cart technology Just think what it would have been if it had been made in France. |
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"Peter Reilley" wrote in message ...
I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. As you push it along it will move in any direction. You choose the direction of movement by muscling it in that direction. This is not too bad when the floors are flat but on sloping floors it is a real struggle. Many British markets are in old buildings and they often have sloping sections from one level to another. At Heathrow Airport there are ramps between floors. If you have a heavy load and are pushing it up a ramp, it can get away from you quite easily. Perhaps someone could introduce American cart design, where the rear wheels are fixed, to the British and make a lot of money. ;-) Sounds like a great Idea in Oz, Didn't realize that there are trolley's that don't go all over the place. They are a real PITA over here. Thanks for the info. I'm sure that there is a large Aust. trolley manufacturer on the net, will post your message to them. Cheer's Ian Sutherland. (Oz) |
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As much as I admire a lot of things the Brits have done, engineering common
sense in their products isn't one of them. Anyone who has worked on a car made in the UK ( not a re-badged Asian vehical ) will have favourite stories of having to take the rear bumper off before you can get the battery out etc. Using 4 legged tables on uneven surfaces so that they rock and spill your coffee is typical. The Harrier VTOL jet was good though ! ( and that landed on 3 wheels as I recall ) Dean. "Peter Reilley" I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. As you push it along it will move in any direction. You choose the direction of movement by muscling it in that direction. |
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All 4 casters swivel here in California. Been that way since I moved her
in 82 from Michgan where only the fronts swivel |
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Did they say "Made by Lucas" on them any where?
Peter Reilley wrote: I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. As you push it along it will move in any direction. You choose the direction of movement by muscling it in that direction. This is not too bad when the floors are flat but on sloping floors it is a real struggle. Many British markets are in old buildings and they often have sloping sections from one level to another. At Heathrow Airport there are ramps between floors. If you have a heavy load and are pushing it up a ramp, it can get away from you quite easily. Perhaps someone could introduce American cart design, where the rear wheels are fixed, to the British and make a lot of money. ;-) Pete. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Well. yeah. California.
We were talking about the real United States of America. Places that can afford water and electricity. Where a million dollar house is a mansion, not a hovel. Places where cops will actually chase a bad guy, even if he drives too fast. Places where, at 3 in the morning, you don't expect to drive bumper to bumper at 3 MPH on a freeway. You know, places where shopping carts have normal wheels. -- Ron Thompson On the Beautiful Mississippi Gulf Coast USA http://www.plansandprojects.com Where did everyone go? Oh, yeah. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/castinghobby/ Y'all come, ya hear? ******* "dann mann" wrote in message ... All 4 casters swivel here in California. Been that way since I moved her in 82 from Michgan where only the fronts swivel |
The British and shopping cart technology
Just think what it would have been if it had been made in France.
hOW COULD THE fRENCH USE THEM? THEY USUALLY HAVE BOTH HANDS RASED THAT IS UNLESS THEY HAVE THEIR FLAG(THE WHITE ONE) IN ONE HAND RAY MUELLERcart technology |
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dann mann wrote: All 4 casters swivel here in California. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What part of California, Dann? I rarely see a 4-wheel swivelling cart in the SF Bay Area, where I live, and when I do, it is usually in a small neighborhood store with generally dingy decor. The ultimate solution to this BIG PROBLEM would be to make all four casters swivel, and permit the customer to selectively lock out the front pair or the back pair or no pair. Has anyone noticed that if the wheels at the back of the cart do not swivel, and the cart is heavily loaded, it is easier to steer if you push it backward? It has to do with the inertia of the load, and the leverage. |
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Ah, the Prince of Darkness!
-- Larry Bailey Illegitimi non carborundum "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message ... Did they say "Made by Lucas" on them any where? Peter Reilley wrote: I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. As you push it along it will move in any direction. You choose the direction of movement by muscling it in that direction. This is not too bad when the floors are flat but on sloping floors it is a real struggle. Many British markets are in old buildings and they often have sloping sections from one level to another. At Heathrow Airport there are ramps between floors. If you have a heavy load and are pushing it up a ramp, it can get away from you quite easily. Perhaps someone could introduce American cart design, where the rear wheels are fixed, to the British and make a lot of money. ;-) Pete. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:09:03 -0400, "Peter Reilley"
wrote: I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. As you push it along it will move in any direction. You choose the direction of movement by muscling it in that direction. This is not too bad when the floors are flat but on sloping floors it is a real struggle. Many British markets are in old buildings and they often have sloping sections from one level to another. At Heathrow Airport there are ramps between floors. If you have a heavy load and are pushing it up a ramp, it can get away from you quite easily. Perhaps someone could introduce American cart design, where the rear wheels are fixed, to the British and make a lot of money. ;-) Pete. Never heard of NIH Syndrome?? It is epidemic in England and some other areas of Europe. Full name? Not Invented Here. Have a duece of a time getting a Limey manufacturer to adopt an American design. Have to have the company bought by the Germans, Americans or Japs before it would be possible. (Like Rolls, Rover, Bentley, Jag, Aston Martin, et al) |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:19:55 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: dann mann wrote: All 4 casters swivel here in California. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What part of California, Dann? I rarely see a 4-wheel swivelling cart in the SF Bay Area, where I live, and when I do, it is usually in a small neighborhood store with generally dingy decor. Small neighbourhood stores are crowded enough that steering at both ends is required. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
The British and shopping cart technology
The Harrier VTOL jet was good though ! ( and that
landed on 3 wheels as I recall ) I lived nearby to Dunsfold (about 1975) in the UK where the Harriers got their final flight testing and they were a common sight hovering, going up and down, flying backwards and sideways and once in awhile flying the way they were supposed to. Was amazing to watch them "viffing" - flying straight and level at high speed and then changing altitude without changing attitude. The Argentinian Mirages and Skyhawks were caught continually with that manoeuvrer. I had a USAAF officer staying with me and he comes running in shouting that theres a plane flying backwards. It was such a common sight that we all just said "yep, happens all the time". He literally dragged us out to watch this plane that he knew nothing about and could not believe that they were flying in the UK. He wanted to know if Boeing or MacDouglas made the things - cheeky *******. BTW they had four landing/take off wheels, two that came out of the fuselage, and two that rotated from the wing tips. Its amazing that the technology comes from the 1960s and that people can now make model versions on the Harriers with micro computer controlled jet swivels, etc. |
The British and shopping cart technology
If the FDA regulated shopping carts:
They'd have to be gamma irradiated before being returned to the line for the next user. If the DOT regulated shopping carts: They'd be equipped with backup beepers and turn signals. If the DOD contracted a shopping cart: It would weigh 195 pounds, be rated to carry TWO toddlers (with full field diaper pack), and have GPS callback to your cell phone if you lost it. If GMC made a shopping cart: It would have multi-surface capability (linoleum, wood, carpet) and be convertible to a bicycle. If I made shopping carts: They'd each be individually bar coded, and when you went through the register, you could check out the cart along with the food, roll it into your mini van, unload it in the kitchen, and return it to the store empty and undamaged, along with your recyclables, for full credit within the first two hours, and a 15 cent deposit on each clean, uncrushed, aluminum beverage can. Yours, Doug Goncz, Replikon Research, Seven Corners, VA Unpublished work Copyright 2003 Doug Goncz Fair use and Usenet distribution without restriction or fee Civil and criminal penalties for circumvention of any embedded encryption |
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Ron Thompson wrote:
All 4 wheels fixed to go straight? 2 straight forward and 2 straight sideways? -- Ron Thompson On the Beautiful Mississippi Gulf Coast USA http://www.plansandprojects.com Where did everyone go? Oh, yeah. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/castinghobby/ Y'all come, ya hear? ******* "Tfmccarley" wrote in message ... cart technology Just think what it would have been if it had been made in France. Daft Yanks, tThe French ones are the same as the English ones. They are just as sensible as us :) Dave. |
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dann mann wrote:
All 4 casters swivel here in California. Been that way since I moved her in 82 from Michgan where only the fronts swivel Would have been more sense if it had been the back ones that caster - thats where you are getting the most control from your pushing! Dave. |
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"spitfire2" wrote in message
... dann mann wrote: All 4 casters swivel here in California. Been that way since I moved her in 82 from Michgan where only the fronts swivel Would have been more sense if it had been the back ones that caster - thats where you are getting the most control from your pushing! Dave. You miss the underlying principle in California. They're not allowed to show bias regarding steering intercourse with either end. Ed Huntress |
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SMuel10363 wrote:
Just think what it would have been if it had been made in France. hOW COULD THE fRENCH USE THEM? THEY USUALLY HAVE BOTH HANDS RASED THAT IS UNLESS THEY HAVE THEIR FLAG(THE WHITE ONE) IN ONE HAND RAY MUELLERcart technology Don't you Yanks ever look at yourselves, instead of sneering at other countries? For such insular creatures, you don't have much to be proud of. "Mueller - isn't that a European (German) name? With the Germans as "neighbours" ready to invade, its no wonder the French gave in. So would most other sensible folk! The Nazis didn't have a very good name for friendliness towards others, especially ones who opposed them. This supposed to be a group for metalworking, but it seems to be just a ranting ground for isolationist Americans with inferiority complexes.. Dave |
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Lewis Hartswick wrote:
clare, @, snyder.on, .ca wrote: Never heard of NIH Syndrome?? It is epidemic in England and some other areas of Europe. Full name? Not Invented Here. Have a duece of a time getting a Limey manufacturer to adopt an American design. Have to have the company bought by the Germans, Americans or Japs before it would be possible. (Like Rolls, Rover, Bentley, Jag, Aston Martin, et al) There is quite a bit of NIH in the US auto industry. Any one but me remember when rectangular head lamps came out in europe. I believe (at least first I saw) on Citroen and the US mfgrs had laws pased to make them illegal. I think it also took quite a few years to get steel belted radials accepted also. It reminded me of the Russian claims that radio and all sorts of things were "invented" there. Just a touch of xenophobia I'm thinking. :-) ...lew... We and the French designed and built the Concorde, while the Russians had a stab at the same thing, but the poor Yanks, with all their money and loud mouths, gave up, and then did their damndest to prevent Concorde operating into the USA! Talk about sour grapes! A little earlier, we GAVE the Yanks the know-how to build the first atomic bomb, free. We also gave them radar, and many other things, but all we get now in return is sneering from present-day ignoramuses.. WE don't erect barriers to foreign ownership of companies, unlike the USA, nor barriers against foreign companies existing and operating here. Buying and selling companies is little to do with their quality and effectiveness in production, but only to do with the ability of someone to pay enough to take them over. It is better for a company to be taken over by another and continue in existence and production, than for it to go to the wall. Where is Pan-Am today? etc....None of our companies have been taken over by the "Japs". We DO have Japanese companies having plants of their own in Britain, just as we have plants from most other countries of the world, even the from the USA! Only a few British companies have been taken over by American ones.We own companies throughout Europe, and European countries own companies here - nothing unusual in that. Its only with the USA that anyone has problems! Why should we or any other country need to adopt an American desgn, when most countries of the world are fully capable of designing things for themselves. Dave. . |
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spitfire2 wrote:
SMuel10363 wrote: Just think what it would have been if it had been made in France. hOW COULD THE fRENCH USE THEM? THEY USUALLY HAVE BOTH HANDS RASED THAT IS UNLESS THEY HAVE THEIR FLAG(THE WHITE ONE) IN ONE HAND RAY MUELLERcart technology Don't you Yanks ever look at yourselves, instead of sneering at other countries? For such insular creatures, you don't have much to be proud of. yes, the UGLY AMERICAN syndrome, i do relate. mostly it has to do with the complete _ease_ of advancement (socially, monetarily) in these colonies. a fortunate circumstance for many, but certainly not all. i have worked in the UK and Italy (travel, computers) and this was really an issue for the "priviledged Italians", but never sensed it in Reading or London. "Mueller - isn't that a European (German) name? With the Germans as "neighbours" ready to invade, its no wonder the French gave in. So would most other sensible folk! The Nazis didn't have a very good name for friendliness towards others, especially ones who opposed them. This supposed to be a group for metalworking, but it seems to be just a ranting ground for isolationist Americans with inferiority complexes.. Dave excuse me, but you seem to digress into some kind of rant/drivel.... regards, --Loren |
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"spitfire2" wrote in message
... A little earlier, we GAVE the Yanks the know-how to build the first atomic bomb, free. Uhm... if you did then why didn't you build one yourselves? Hmm? I guess you /didn't/ have the know-how then... We also gave them radar, IIRC, in idea this is true. But we did a lot of development during the war. Tim -- In the immortal words of Ned Flanders: "No foot longs!" Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:50:07 -0400, Tom Quackenbush
wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC), spitfire2 wrote: SNIPPED [a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with shopping carts] more snipped two "fixed" wheels and two "rotating" wheels (there's got to be a better way to express that, but you know what I mean). "castoring" and "non-castoring" wheels is commonly used. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=castor I guess you could also say "swiveling wheels" and "non-swiveling" wheels. HTH Mike snip R, Tom Q. Mike Patterson Please remove the spamtrap to email me. |
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Perhaps someone could introduce American cart design,
where the rear wheels are fixed, to the British and make a lot of money. ;-) Pete. Hell we introduced freedom to them and they turned their noses up at it Paul |
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Peter Reilley wrote:
I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. I'm in the NE of the US. The local supermarket got a batch of those in and used them for a while. Yup, PITA. Especially if you're on a cat litter run. I'm betting that the frailer members of the population were damaging the store's stock by knocking it to the floor with their unsteerable carts. The 4-caster carts are now all chained up and gathering dirt outside the store. If you try to 'reply' to me without fixing the dot, your reply will go into a 'special' mailbox reserved for spam. See below. -- Carl West http://carl.west.home.comcast.net change the 'DOT' to '.' to email me Please update your address books with my new, correct address. |
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I guess you could also say "swiveling wheels" and "non-swiveling" wheels. I sell casters in Canada and here we refer to them as swivel and rigid -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Peter Reilley" wrote in message ... I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. Come to think of it ,,,, that's how I dumped my cutter grinder on it's face. I have the CG on a heavy duty 4 "swivel caster" cart outside, on a concrete patio. I push the CG toward the house (to get it close enough to connect the electrical connection) and instead of forward the far end lurches left and off of the concrete and onto (into) the soft grass. Over she all goes! She's just now being re assembled. Bill D |
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----- Original Message ----- From: "jim rozen" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Weapons paradox In article , Clark says... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Not any more it isn't. Could the telemarketing telephone infrastructure be damaged in this fantasy. I don't need another mortgage or the phone calls offering me one. National "Do Not Call" registry. Anyone got the number to give to this gent? Jim |
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Lewis Hartswick wrote in message
I think it also took quite a few years to get steel belted radials accepted also. It reminded me of the Russian claims that radio and all sorts of things were "invented" there. Just a touch of xenophobia I'm thinking. :-) ...lew... As I remember it, the only steel belted radials were manufactured and sold by Michlein. They put no money in promotion and the tires gradually became popular thru word of mouth. When I was in Alaska in 63, they were available from only one or two dealers in Seattle. Dan |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:35:01 -0400, "William G Darby"
wrote: "Peter Reilley" wrote in message ... I just returned from a trip to the UK and a experienced a reoccurring annoyance. Their shopping carts and airport carts have casters for all 4 wheels. This makes it impossible to steer the cart. Come to think of it ,,,, that's how I dumped my cutter grinder on it's face. I have the CG on a heavy duty 4 "swivel caster" cart outside, on a concrete patio. I push the CG toward the house (to get it close enough to connect the electrical connection) and instead of forward the far end lurches left and off of the concrete and onto (into) the soft grass. Over she all goes! She's just now being re assembled. Bill D I've designed and built a lot of carts for process r&d (200 to 1000 lbs). I have always used 4 swivel casters because it's impossible to maneuver in tight quarters with 2 swivel and 2 fixed. For the last 5 or 10 years, though, I've used the swivelling locking casters, which can be locked at 45 deg increments or allowed to swivel. Best of both worlds, for more money, of course. Pete Keillor |
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Carl West wrote: (clip) The 4-caster carts are now all chained up and gathering dirt outside the store. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ How stupid! I'll bet 75% of the people in this newgroup could have welded up the rear casters on those carts in an hour, and saved the market a couple thousand bucks. |
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"Old Nick" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC), spitfire2 wrote something ......and in reply I say!: My parents are English. I am not anti-English. (my parents aren't that bad! G) I think the problem lies in exactly what you say. The British have had a lot of really good ideas, then as a nation they have treated them with comtempt and have either chosen, or had, to give them away. Snatching failure from the jaws of brilliance. There should be no competition here. Ideally there are developers and researchers, technologists, and mass-producers. Let everyone place any nation where they choose in that lot! G. Unfortunately the research is a once-off, and is often undervalued or forgotten, even by the researchers themselves, in the fight for the final profit or glory. We and the French designed and built the Concorde, while the Russians had a stab at the same thing, but the poor Yanks, with all their money and loud mouths, gave up, and then did their damndest to prevent Concorde operating into the USA! Talk about sour grapes! A little earlier, we GAVE the Yanks the know-how to build the first atomic bomb, free. We also gave them radar, and many other things, but all we get now in return is sneering from present-day ignoramuses.. How about Canada and the Avro Arrow? Now there was a puzzling situation. A country develops a fighter that is about twenty years ahead of its time and 'somehow' it gets cancelled. I still have a *lot* of questions about that one. Regards Ken. |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:34:57 -0500, "Tim Williams"
wrote: "spitfire2" wrote in message ... A little earlier, we GAVE the Yanks the know-how to build the first atomic bomb, free. Uhm... if you did then why didn't you build one yourselves? Hmm? I guess you /didn't/ have the know-how then... We also gave them radar, IIRC, in idea this is true. But we did a lot of development during the war. Tim The Clinton Ontario AFB (Now the town of Vanastra) was the "home of Radar" in the second world war. much of the military development and training on Radar was done their. The National Research Council was also heavily involved in Radar related development, well before the second war. See: http://quark.physics.uwo.ca/~drm/his...r_history.html |
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I remember - I well remember. I thought the cutting sucked.
I think we are still paying for the payoff/payout to close it down. I remember the loonies crying about the ozone layer - but we now know that the ozone layer is aided and enhanced with the only one that flew - and with the military jets. Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote in news:iafeivc29tnlbt0143eqhvk341oa147s73@
4ax.com: On 29 Jul 2003 11:23:45 -0700, (Dan Caster) wrote: spitfire2 wrote in message took quite a We and the French designed and built the Concorde, while the Russians had a stab at the same thing, but the poor Yanks, with all their money and loud mouths, gave up, and then did their damndest to prevent Concorde operating into the USA! Talk about sour grapes! And Canada built the Arrow back in 1958??? and the USA forced the abandonment of the project. First successful supersonic fighter design. A crime. Have a look at the English Electric Lightining, 11th August 1954, Supersonic without afterburners - super cruise in 1954? 4th April 1957 world speed record over M2 with minimum afterburner. Apparently full AB was over M2 but a problem because everything got too hot. Used to see them taking off daily as akid, four abreast from RAF Lossiemouth chasing Russkie Bears. They got to the end of the runway and went veritical to 60k ft with a sonic boom. They always had a fuel shortage problem! There used to be a display team flying nine at airshows until the Red Arrows started up. The crime here is that British government didn't want it and delayed agreed funding until 1960 when it finally entered service, by which time the costs doubled and of the expected sales only the Saudis bought them in any number. The same government then canned the TSR2 in 1965 after spending multi millions and tried pulling out of Concorde. |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 02:34:30 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote something .......and in reply I say!: Don't you Yanks ever look at yourselves, instead of sneering at other countries? For such insular creatures, you don't have much to be proud of. ^^^^^^^^^^^ I think the anti-French comments are in bad taste, and I am sorry they appeared here. However, the above remark is just as bad, for blaming ALL Americans for the rudeness and ignorance of ONE. ONE???? Boy, have you missed a few posts here! It was either here or rec.ww that I was told that I was correct (and that was the only time), in that the US did not give a rat's "ass" about what the rest of the world thought. This was amongst a huge argument about the invasion of Iraq, where anti-French, and anti anything not coalition of the willing, invective was flung about like mud. I am from Oz, and am therefore part of the coalition of the helplessly toady. I was roundly abused by a lot more than one US citizen, not just for questioning the whole thing, but because I questioned my contry's involvement. IMO, as with any image, be it racial, national or even industrial, the ALL is at fault for not doing enough to counteract the image presented by the noisy ones, hoiwever many there may be, if all are worried about it. ************************************************** **************************************** Huh! Old age!. You may hate it, but let me tell you, you can't get by for long without it! Nick White --- HEAD:Hertz Music Please remove ns from my header address to reply via email !! ") _/ ) ( ) _//- \__/ |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC), spitfire2
wrote something .......and in reply I say!: My parents are English. I am not anti-English. (my parents aren't that bad! G) I think the problem lies in exactly what you say. The British have had a lot of really good ideas, then as a nation they have treated them with comtempt and have either chosen, or had, to give them away. Snatching failure from the jaws of brilliance. There should be no competition here. Ideally there are developers and researchers, technologists, and mass-producers. Let everyone place any nation where they choose in that lot! G. Unfortunately the research is a once-off, and is often undervalued or forgotten, even by the researchers themselves, in the fight for the final profit or glory. We and the French designed and built the Concorde, while the Russians had a stab at the same thing, but the poor Yanks, with all their money and loud mouths, gave up, and then did their damndest to prevent Concorde operating into the USA! Talk about sour grapes! A little earlier, we GAVE the Yanks the know-how to build the first atomic bomb, free. We also gave them radar, and many other things, but all we get now in return is sneering from present-day ignoramuses.. ************************************************** **************************************** Huh! Old age!. You may hate it, but let me tell you, you can't get by for long without it! Nick White --- HEAD:Hertz Music Please remove ns from my header address to reply via email !! ") _/ ) ( ) _//- \__/ |
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