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Lead Wheel Weights
The other day an article in the newspaper was saying some local
government (bragging) is changing over to the no lead wheel weights. I guess nation wide they are trying to change the wheel weights from lead to zinc because of environmental issues. This was based on the fact that in the article, 13 percent of vehicles loose wheel weights and they are ground up on the road. Now my question is how the heck did they come up with the 13 percent number? I have balanced many tires and never really noticed missing or lost weights. Rebalances are because less tire rubber and you install smaller weights. So anybody lost their wheel weights? I think it is another scam by some company trying to make a buck. |
warren wrote:
The other day an article in the newspaper was saying some local government (bragging) is changing over to the no lead wheel weights. I guess nation wide they are trying to change the wheel weights from lead to zinc because of environmental issues. This was based on the fact that in the article, 13 percent of vehicles loose wheel weights and they are ground up on the road. Now my question is how the heck did they come up with the 13 percent number? I have balanced many tires and never really noticed missing or lost weights. Rebalances are because less tire rubber and you install smaller weights. So anybody lost their wheel weights? I think it is another scam by some company trying to make a buck. I walk a lot and often notice wheel weights by the side of the road. Compared to the number that remain attached, though, I would have serious doubt about 13% coming loose. Maybe just a fnord .. - GWE |
"warren" wrote in message
oups.com... The other day an article in the newspaper was saying some local government (bragging) is changing over to the no lead wheel weights. I guess nation wide they are trying to change the wheel weights from lead to zinc because of environmental issues. This was based on the fact that in the article, 13 percent of vehicles loose wheel weights and they are ground up on the road. Now my question is how the heck did they come up with the 13 percent number? By using the same "scientific" methods that produced the myth of Global Warming/Freezing (i.e., they made it up). |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:18:36 GMT, DeepDiver wrote:
"warren" wrote in message oups.com... The other day an article in the newspaper was saying some local government (bragging) is changing over to the no lead wheel weights. I guess nation wide they are trying to change the wheel weights from lead to zinc because of environmental issues. This was based on the fact that in the article, 13 percent of vehicles loose wheel weights and they are ground up on the road. Now my question is how the heck did they come up with the 13 percent number? By using the same "scientific" methods that produced the myth of Global Warming/Freezing (i.e., they made it up). Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... |
By using the same "scientific" methods that produced the myth of Global Warming/Freezing (i.e., they made it up). Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... I have heard that crap is in all the drinking water in the USA! Steve |
Steve Peterson wrote:
By using the same "scientific" methods that produced the myth of Global Warming/Freezing (i.e., they made it up). Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... I have heard that crap is in all the drinking water in the USA! Steve Yes, Steve, and it's pollulted all the world's oceane!!! aaaaarrrrrgggg1 Bill |
"BillP" wrote in message ...
Steve Peterson wrote: By using the same "scientific" methods that produced the myth of Global Warming/Freezing (i.e., they made it up). Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... I have heard that crap is in all the drinking water in the USA! Steve Yes, Steve, and it's pollulted all the world's oceane!!! aaaaarrrrrgggg1 How dare those evil American industrialists and corporations dump raw DHMO into rivers, lakes, streams, bays, and coastal waters? Sign a petition to demand that all companies and households store DHMO waste on site until EPA-approved disposal methods are enacted! |
I'm a thinkin here that if the DHMO in the water ddon't kill ya it might do
ya some good. lg no neat sig line "DeepDiver" wrote in message ... "BillP" wrote in message ... Steve Peterson wrote: By using the same "scientific" methods that produced the myth of Global Warming/Freezing (i.e., they made it up). Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... I have heard that crap is in all the drinking water in the USA! Steve Yes, Steve, and it's pollulted all the world's oceane!!! aaaaarrrrrgggg1 How dare those evil American industrialists and corporations dump raw DHMO into rivers, lakes, streams, bays, and coastal waters? Sign a petition to demand that all companies and households store DHMO waste on site until EPA-approved disposal methods are enacted! |
"Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... warren wrote: The other day an article in the newspaper was saying some local government (bragging) is changing over to the no lead wheel weights. I guess nation wide they are trying to change the wheel weights from lead to zinc because of environmental issues. This was based on the fact that in the article, 13 percent of vehicles loose wheel weights and they are ground up on the road. Now my question is how the heck did they come up with the 13 percent number? I have balanced many tires and never really noticed missing or lost weights. Rebalances are because less tire rubber and you install smaller weights. So anybody lost their wheel weights? I think it is another scam by some company trying to make a buck. I walk a lot and often notice wheel weights by the side of the road. Compared to the number that remain attached, though, I would have serious doubt about 13% coming loose. Maybe just a fnord .. - GWE Yep! What Grant said. I, too, have noticed wheel weights, and have picked them up when convenient. If 13% of the autos were losing them, I'd have tons of lead, and I don't. They make great bullets for those of us that hand load for revolvers. Harold |
Dave Hinz wrote: Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... Reading the FAQ, it almost reads like a parody. It's responsible for a long list of ills from cancer to SOIL EROSION?? Death due to accidental injhalation AND decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes??? The common uses list isn't much better: Used to make styrofoam and used by porographers and pedaphiles?? (One does wonder...) Used by both the KKK and the NAACP in their rallies and marches! (How in the heck...?) Maybe those two groups have common ground after all :) |
"Rex B" wrote in message
... Dave Hinz wrote: Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... Reading the FAQ, it almost reads like a parody. It *is* a parody. It's designed to illustrate the ease by which masses of people can be whipped into a fearful frenzy over the "dangers" of things they don't understand (e.g., global warming, CO2 emissions, mercury, lead, asbestos, second-hand smoke, firearms, etc.). Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) = H2O = water. - Michael |
DeepDiver wrote: "Rex B" wrote in message ... Dave Hinz wrote: Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... Reading the FAQ, it almost reads like a parody. It *is* a parody. It's designed to illustrate the ease by which masses of people can be whipped into a fearful frenzy over the "dangers" of things they don't understand (e.g., global warming, CO2 emissions, mercury, lead, asbestos, second-hand smoke, firearms, etc.). Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) = H2O = water. - Michael LOL Took me in. And now that I've thought about it, I've seen that one before. |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:45:24 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote: "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... warren wrote: The other day an article in the newspaper was saying some local government (bragging) is changing over to the no lead wheel weights. I guess nation wide they are trying to change the wheel weights from lead to zinc because of environmental issues. This was based on the fact that in the article, 13 percent of vehicles loose wheel weights and they are ground up on the road. Now my question is how the heck did they come up with the 13 percent number? I have balanced many tires and never really noticed missing or lost weights. Rebalances are because less tire rubber and you install smaller weights. So anybody lost their wheel weights? I think it is another scam by some company trying to make a buck. I walk a lot and often notice wheel weights by the side of the road. Compared to the number that remain attached, though, I would have serious doubt about 13% coming loose. Maybe just a fnord .. - GWE Yep! What Grant said. I, too, have noticed wheel weights, and have picked them up when convenient. If 13% of the autos were losing them, I'd have tons of lead, and I don't. They make great bullets for those of us that hand load for revolvers. Harold Ayup. I have to work hard at scrounging Wheel Weights for bullet casting. If so many were lost, it would be far easier to get some. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:45:24 -0700, Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
What Grant said. I, too, have noticed wheel weights, and have picked them up when convenient. If 13% of the autos were losing them, I'd have tons of lead, and I don't. They make great bullets for those of us that hand load for revolvers. Years ago, I bought two 5-gallon pails full of wheelweights at an auction. Hey, 2 bucks is 2 bucks, y'know? So, I melted them down (outside) into ingots. I've got 5 ammo cans full of wheelweight ingots, another two full of .22 bullet lead melted into ingots, and a bunch of picked up centerfire pistol bullets in more cans. Some day, I'll use some of 'em. Point is, I see you're in TDS world - anywhere near Milwaukee or Madison, and if so, do you want a can of lead WW ingots? Dave Hinz |
On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:34:10 -0500, Rex B wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote: Sounds like you need to visit www.dhmo.org to learn about a _real_ threat. Nasty stuff, that DHMO... Reading the FAQ, it almost reads like a parody. It's responsible for a long list of ills from cancer to SOIL EROSION?? Death due to accidental injhalation AND decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes??? All these things are true about it. Really. The common uses list isn't much better: Used to make styrofoam and used by porographers and pedaphiles?? (One does wonder...) Used by both the KKK and the NAACP in their rallies and marches! (How in the heck...?) Maybe those two groups have common ground after all :) They sure do. Maybe it's the water. |
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:45:24 -0700, Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: What Grant said. I, too, have noticed wheel weights, and have picked them up when convenient. If 13% of the autos were losing them, I'd have tons of lead, and I don't. They make great bullets for those of us that hand load for revolvers. Years ago, I bought two 5-gallon pails full of wheelweights at an auction. Hey, 2 bucks is 2 bucks, y'know? So, I melted them down (outside) into ingots. I've got 5 ammo cans full of wheelweight ingots, another two full of .22 bullet lead melted into ingots, and a bunch of picked up centerfire pistol bullets in more cans. Some day, I'll use some of 'em. Point is, I see you're in TDS world - anywhere near Milwaukee or Madison, and if so, do you want a can of lead WW ingots? Dave Hinz My addy can be misleading. I was a member of the community council when it was first established by TDS (at least locally), so I became somewhat familiar with them. They are a small phone company in the scheme of things, but slowly growing by buying even smaller phone companies. That's what happened in our case. We're in Lewis County, Washington State. The McDaniels family started the phone company here many, many years ago, and ran it successfully until the late 90's. They still owned the business when we moved here from Utah. About a year later, TDS bought them and changed the name. At that time, TDS was comprised of something like 109 small companies spread around the nation, including another in Paonia, CO, a small town I had visited, so I remember it well. Bottom line: I'm a long ways away, but I sure as hell appreciate your kind offer, which I'd snap up in a heart-beat were we closer together. Harold |
On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:49:19 -0700, Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... anywhere near Milwaukee or Madison, and if so, do you want a can of lead WW ingots? Bottom line: I'm a long ways away, but I sure as hell appreciate your kind offer, which I'd snap up in a heart-beat were we closer together. Ah well. Anyone here in the Milwaukee/Madison area who wants an ammo can full of ingots made from wheelweight lead, just say the word. Dave Hinz |
Gunner wrote: ... Ayup. I have to work hard at scrounging Wheel Weights for bullet casting. If so many were lost, it would be far easier to get some. ... Don't the folks at tire shops & garages have plenty? -- FF |
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
... Ah well. Anyone here in the Milwaukee/Madison area who wants an ammo can full of ingots made from wheelweight lead, just say the word. I could (from Beloit), but 50 miles seems a long drive just for lead. :o( Tim -- "California is the breakfast state: fruits, nuts and flakes." Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:41:59 -0500, Tim Williams wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... Ah well. Anyone here in the Milwaukee/Madison area who wants an ammo can full of ingots made from wheelweight lead, just say the word. I could (from Beloit), but 50 miles seems a long drive just for lead. :o( Standing offer...my address is valid, and it's not going anywhere any time soon. Straight shot up 26 gets you almost here, I'm 6 miles out from Jefferson. Dave |
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On 25 May 2005 15:49:45 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:45:24 -0700, Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: What Grant said. I, too, have noticed wheel weights, and have picked them up when convenient. If 13% of the autos were losing them, I'd have tons of lead, and I don't. They make great bullets for those of us that hand load for revolvers. Years ago, I bought two 5-gallon pails full of wheelweights at an auction. Hey, 2 bucks is 2 bucks, y'know? So, I melted them down (outside) into ingots. I've got 5 ammo cans full of wheelweight ingots, another two full of .22 bullet lead melted into ingots, and a bunch of picked up centerfire pistol bullets in more cans. Some day, I'll use some of 'em. Point is, I see you're in TDS world - anywhere near Milwaukee or Madison, and if so, do you want a can of lead WW ingots? Dave Hinz The 22 bullet ingots are very soft and are pretty much unsuitable for high power pistol bullets without adding some tin. They do work ok for black powder projectiles though or low velocity smokeless loads. They are an odd alloy. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:29:50 GMT, Gunner wrote:
The 22 bullet ingots are very soft and are pretty much unsuitable for high power pistol bullets without adding some tin. They do work ok for black powder projectiles though or low velocity smokeless loads. They are an odd alloy. My Ruger Old Army likes 'em. But, at what, 250 grains per bullet, those cans of lead will last a gooooood long time. |
"LDR" wrote in message k.net... In article , says... On 25 May 2005 12:55:41 -0700, wrote: Gunner wrote: ... Ayup. I have to work hard at scrounging Wheel Weights for bullet casting. If so many were lost, it would be far easier to get some. ... Don't the folks at tire shops & garages have plenty? No. And there is steady competition from the folks who use them to cast fishing weights. (Snip) I wanted wheel weights for slingshot ammo and went to a few gas stations/tire businesses thinking I would be doing them a favor by taking the lead off their hands. Not so. All of them say they have companies picking them up (and paying for them) to recycle. Les Schwab, whom I have been buying tires from for years, treated me like a pan handler/. Of course they did. The very notion that lead is valueless is absurd, the stuff of housewife's tales. It is a commodity like anything else and is valuable in the recycle business. How folks deduct that because a substance is controlled that it has no value is beyond me. Wouldn't a prudent individual conclude that old wheel weights can be melted to make *new* wheel weights? Harold |
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message Of course they did. The very notion that lead is valueless is absurd, the stuff of housewife's tales. It is a commodity like anything else and is valuable in the recycle business. How folks deduct that because a substance is controlled that it has no value is beyond me. Wouldn't a prudent individual conclude that old wheel weights can be melted to make *new* wheel weights? Harold This was true even 20-25 years ago. If a good customer asked for some old wheel weights I'd give him a pound or so, but if it was someone I didn't know they were sent on thier way. But I'm sure the stuff is even more valuable now. Lane |
Glen Ashmore used to be on this group. Some of you will remember, Glen
bought wheel weights for months if not years making a circuit of tire dealers and purchasing 1,000 pounds on each trip. His goal was to buy enough to cast an 8,000 pound lead keel for his sailing ship. The 8,000 pounds of lead cost him about $1,000 (therefore 12-1/2 cents a pound and he was a "quantity" buyer. http://www.rutuonline.com/html/the_keel.html Mark No. And there is steady competition from the folks who use them to cast fishing weights. (Snip) I wanted wheel weights for slingshot ammo and went to a few gas stations/tire businesses thinking I would be doing them a favor by taking the lead off their hands. Not so. All of them say they have companies picking them up (and paying for them) to recycle. Les Schwab, whom I have been buying tires from for years, treated me like a pan handler/. |
"Lane" lane (no spam) at copperaccents dot com wrote in message ... "Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message Of course they did. The very notion that lead is valueless is absurd, the stuff of housewife's tales. It is a commodity like anything else and is valuable in the recycle business. How folks deduct that because a substance is controlled that it has no value is beyond me. Wouldn't a prudent individual conclude that old wheel weights can be melted to make *new* wheel weights? Harold This was true even 20-25 years ago. If a good customer asked for some old wheel weights I'd give him a pound or so, but if it was someone I didn't know they were sent on thier way. But I'm sure the stuff is even more valuable now. Lane Yep! Surprisingly, not all substances (or elements) work that way. There was a time when you could sell mercury with no trouble. Recycle places gladly accepted it and paid a reasonable price for it. In the course of running the refining business I once owned, I retorted a considerable amount of dental amalgam. It runs slightly over 50% mercury, as I recall, and I ended up with more than 100 pounds of it over the years. I was shocked to find that unless you have a full flask (76 pounds), even major refiners won't accept it from you, and they won't pay for it until the amount exceeds what I recall to be 150 pounds. You can ship a single flask to them at your expense and they'll gladly accept it gratis. You're out the flask and shipping. The deal was so lousy, I gave all the mercury to the purchaser of the business when I sold it. Harold |
"Tom Quackenbush" wrote in message
... What effect would a few zinc wheel weights have on an amateur (WW) lead caster? Lead is insoluble in zinc, however 1.8at% (gah, I hate phase diagrams not in weight percent) zinc forms an eutectic in lead at 590K = 602°F. Above zinc's melting point, there's about 5at% solubility. Lemme see if I can convert that... about 1.7% max, by weight? Tim -- "California is the breakfast state: fruits, nuts and flakes." Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:45:24 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote: Yep! What Grant said. I, too, have noticed wheel weights, and have picked them up when convenient. If 13% of the autos were losing them, I'd have tons of lead, and I don't. They make great bullets for those of us that hand load for revolvers. So is the national brain threat greater from wheel weights, or spent rounds? |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 19:16:33 -0700, "larry g"
wrote: and if youall wank enough, the protien balance will be upset. But by then you'll already be...blind...to the overall problem... shaft the lot of you US-derfending-comsumptionist-head in the sand ****wits! We are lost if you keep saying that nothing is happening, and using peripheral stuff to ridicule real stuff (that US favorite the straw man). There is no problem. Hey! Pollution is not a threat! God's third division is a pile of nonsense! So how can pollution be a threat? |
On 24 May 2005 08:38:55 -0700, "warren"
wrote: I withdraw from this NG. You are a bunch of FW's, With a few exceptions, the info I have gained from here is not worth the listening to world blindness, and US/imperial self-justification, along with the gun theory that you need a gun to stop the other guy with a gun, that I have to endure. Unfortunately, the audience I aim at has already probably already cut me off in a childish fit of self-righteous US inperialist shoot-the-other- guy. So **** you. Do not bother replying. Seriously. I give up. With regret |
"Old Nick" nsnsafemail#iinet.net.au wrote in message ... On 24 May 2005 08:38:55 -0700, "warren" wrote: I withdraw from this NG. You are a bunch of FW's, With a few exceptions, the info I have gained from here is not worth the listening to world blindness, and US/imperial self-justification, along with the gun theory that you need a gun to stop the other guy with a gun, that I have to endure. Unfortunately, the audience I aim at has already probably already cut me off in a childish fit of self-righteous US inperialist shoot-the-other- guy. So **** you. Do not bother replying. Seriously. I give up. With regret With that kind of attitude and language, you won't be missed! Lane |
"Lane" lane (no spam) at copperaccents dot com wrote in message ... "Old Nick" nsnsafemail#iinet.net.au wrote in message ... Do not bother replying. Seriously. I give up. With regret With that kind of attitude and language, you won't be missed! Lane Seriously, what put a bee in his bonnet? Harold |
"Tom Quackenbush" wrote in message ... Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: Lane wrote: With that kind of attitude and language, you won't be missed! Seriously, what put a bee in his bonnet? Australian Happy Hour? R, Tom Q. Remove bogusinfo to reply. Chuckle! That would explain it, wouldn't it! Harold |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:26:38 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote: "Tom Quackenbush" wrote in message .. . Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: Lane wrote: With that kind of attitude and language, you won't be missed! Seriously, what put a bee in his bonnet? Australian Happy Hour? R, Tom Q. Remove bogusinfo to reply. Chuckle! That would explain it, wouldn't it! Harold From the way a few blokes I've met from down under like their "Fosters", you'd think Aussie Happy Hour was 24 hours long. |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 22:52:20 +0800, Old Nick
nsnsafemail#iinet.net.au wrote: On 24 May 2005 08:38:55 -0700, "warren" wrote: I withdraw from this NG. You are a bunch of FW's, With a few exceptions, the info I have gained from here is not worth the listening to world blindness, and US/imperial self-justification, along with the gun theory that you need a gun to stop the other guy with a gun, that I have to endure. Unfortunately, the audience I aim at has already probably already cut me off in a childish fit of self-righteous US inperialist shoot-the-other- guy. So **** you. Do not bother replying. Seriously. I give up. With regret So Nicky is going to once again, toss out the baby with the bathwater. In other words..take his ball and go home because he doesnt want to hear bad words. Be careful not to brush against the door jam when you leave. With skin as thin as yours..you could bruise easily, or worse (and dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out) Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
Old Nick wrote:
On 24 May 2005 08:38:55 -0700, "warren" wrote: I withdraw from this NG. You are a bunch of FW's, With a few exceptions, the info I have gained from here is not worth the listening to world blindness, and US/imperial self-justification, along with the gun theory that you need a gun to stop the other guy with a gun, that I have to endure. Unfortunately, the audience I aim at has already probably already cut me off in a childish fit of self-righteous US inperialist shoot-the-other- guy. So **** you. Do not bother replying. Seriously. I give up. With regret That's cool with me. John |
"JohnM" wrote in message m... Old Nick wrote: On 24 May 2005 08:38:55 -0700, "warren" wrote: I withdraw from this NG. You are a bunch of FW's, With a few exceptions, the info I have gained from here is not worth the listening to world blindness, and US/imperial self-justification, along with the gun theory that you need a gun to stop the other guy with a gun, that I have to endure. Unfortunately, the audience I aim at has already probably already cut me off in a childish fit of self-righteous US inperialist shoot-the-other- guy. So **** you. Do not bother replying. Seriously. I give up. With regret That's cool with me. John Uh-huh! Harold |
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