[
Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696975.shtml

The story was on 60 Minutes last night. After the government spent
millions
of dollars getting people to use condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS, the
current administration has spent millions more to persuade young
people not
to use them. They say the *only* answer to the problem is abstinence,
and
tax dollars fund school programs that are not allowed to mention
condoms
except in the context of how often they fail. There is a religious
program
(funded by your tax money)called the Silver Ring Thing, whose
participants
wear a silver ring to denote their pledge to remain virgins until
marriage.
Research has shown that 88% of pledgers fail to keep the pledge, but
it does
keep them virgins about a year and a half longer than they otherwise
would
be. The problem is, pledgers do not use condoms when they finally do
have
sex. They've been told that condoms have no value as protection. This
policy
is putting young people at unnecessary risk, just to promote the
religious-right agenda, and your tax dollars are being used to do it.
]

Cliff wrote in article
...
[
Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696975.shtml

The story was on 60 Minutes last night. After the government spent
millions
of dollars getting people to use condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS, the
current administration has spent millions more to persuade young
people not
to use them. They say the *only* answer to the problem is abstinence,
and
tax dollars fund school programs that are not allowed to mention
condoms
except in the context of how often they fail. There is a religious
program
(funded by your tax money)called the Silver Ring Thing, whose
participants
wear a silver ring to denote their pledge to remain virgins until
marriage.
Research has shown that 88% of pledgers fail to keep the pledge, but
it does
keep them virgins about a year and a half longer than they otherwise
would
be. The problem is, pledgers do not use condoms when they finally do
have
sex. They've been told that condoms have no value as protection. This
policy
is putting young people at unnecessary risk, just to promote the
religious-right agenda, and your tax dollars are being used to do it.
]



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

Yup! I think you would be stupid to have sex with her too......especially
with the facts in hand......

.......yet "magical condoms" are being promoted as a way to have sex with
HIV-infected people.

The benefit of condoms is another falsehood spread by the liberals. They DO
work.....sometimes, but......

.....what do you say to the random person for whom the condoms have
failed?????

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

On 24 May 2005 08:47:26 -0700, wrote:


* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

Doesnt say much for our educational system, or the parents, who havent
taught their kids self control.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

When we find that smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease,
we warn people they should stop smoking.
When we find that alcohol causes birth defects in babies, we
warn pregnant mothers to stop drinking.
When we find that excessive fat in the diet causes colon cancer,
we warn people to eat more vegetables.
When we find that too much sugar results in obesity and
diabetes, we warn people to cut back on the carbs.
When we find that stress causes ulcers and heart disease, we
warn people to get rid of some responsibilites and adjust their
lifestyles.
When we find that promiscuous sex causes AIDS, we mustn't warn
people to wait for marriage and have just one partner. We come up with
stupid programs like condom distribution for teens and needle exchange
programs for drug addicts, and pretend that we can keep having sex with
whomever and not suffer anything. I wouldn't get into an airplane that
has structural problems that might cause a very slight chance of
inflight breakup, but it's OK to use a condom that has a very slight
chance of failure? Both result in death, you know.
Free sex has become so sacrosanct and politically correct that
the common sense that applies to other safety issues doesn't apply to
it.
Girls who have premarital sex feel used and dirty and worthless.
Guys looking for a wife want someone who hasn't been test-driven and
the girl wants someone who hasn't been in the habit of playing the
field; he might keep it up after she marries him. These are facts and
they're completely incompatible with what we're teaching kids about
"responsible sex." How stupid can we get for either spreading such
nonsense or swallowing it? Is the deeper issue just that we refuse to
be told that there are some things we should not do?

Dan

On 24 May 2005 09:54:09 -0700, wrote:

Girls who have premarital sex feel used and dirty and worthless

Speaking for yourself?
--
Cliff

On 24 May 2005 09:54:09 -0700, wrote:

swallowing it

Any questions?
--
Cliff

When we find that promiscuous sex causes AIDS, we mustn't warn
people to wait for marriage and have just one partner.

Where did you hear that? Come on, out with it.

We come up with
stupid programs like condom distribution for teens and needle exchange
programs for drug addicts, and pretend that we can keep having sex with
whomever and not suffer anything.

Well, let's see if I have your point correct.

Greed is bad, greed is a sin, greed causes untold harm. But greed is a
human failing so we need to refrain from regulating greed because some
guy a while ago said 'greed, if managed, can have good effects on the
economy.'

Killing is bad, killing is a sin, killing is prohibited by the 10
Suggestions.
But we are supposed to believe a politician who says 'killing is a good
thing, and fun, if we do it to people not of our tribe, even if those people
are much like us and pose no real threat to us or our way of life.'

Therefore, we need to withhold all intelligent talk about sex and its
consequesnces so our vulnerable children are ignorant and susceptible to
peer pressure and are totally vulnerable to diseases we have no cure for
and pregnancy for which they will seek abortions.

Now I understand.

Hint: check out the abortion rates in areas of the country held under thrall
of the pseudochristian right and compare them with abortion rates in
areas of free thinking sinners...

I wouldn't get into an airplane that
has structural problems that might cause a very slight chance of
inflight breakup, but it's OK to use a condom that has a very slight
chance of failure? Both result in death, you know.

So you would rather jump off a cliff with a lead weight in your backpack?

Smat, very smart.

Free sex has become so sacrosanct and politically correct that
the common sense that applies to other safety issues doesn't apply to
it.

Sex has become such an emotional issue with a certain segment of the
population that no intelligent conversation is possible with these people.

I notice this segment is the one that claims to be "reasonable," as compared
with the "emotional" left...

Go figure.

Girls who have premarital sex feel used and dirty and worthless.

Or loved and appreciated when their parents treat them like furniture.

I guess you don't talk to short people much.

Guys looking for a wife want someone who hasn't been test-driven and
the girl wants someone who hasn't been in the habit of playing the
field; he might keep it up after she marries him.

A small portion of the universe might hold these values. Most young
people do not think so far ahead; certainly young people who have been
kept intentionally ignorant might rebel against what was "taught" them,
even if it is true, when they feel used and are angry.

These are facts

If by "facts" you mean what the dictionary says about "opinions," I
guess we can agree.

and
they're completely incompatible with what we're teaching kids about
"responsible sex." How stupid can we get for either spreading such
nonsense or swallowing it? Is the deeper issue just that we refuse to
be told that there are some things we should not do?

Pretty much the teenage mentality, yes, especially if they feel you have
been dishonest with them.

But honesty is not one of the traits expected from your kind, is it?

Dan

P.S. You are giving my name a bad reputation. Please think before you type.

--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp

wrote:

Girls who have premarital sex feel used and dirty and worthless.


Not if you're doing things right..

John

In misc.survivalism wrote:
When we find that promiscuous sex causes AIDS, we mustn't warn
people to wait for marriage and have just one partner. We come up with
stupid programs like condom distribution for teens and needle exchange
programs for drug addicts, and pretend that we can keep having sex with
whomever and not suffer anything.

The reason we use such stupid programs is because abstinence-only
education is much stupider. HTH.

It reminds me of the saying that democracy is the worst system possible -
except for all the others.


I wouldn't get into an airplane that
has structural problems that might cause a very slight chance of
inflight breakup,

Moron. You do exactly that each and every time you fly. You live in a
dream world if you think otherwise.

but it's OK to use a condom that has a very slight
chance of failure? Both result in death, you know.
Free sex has become so sacrosanct and politically correct that
the common sense that applies to other safety issues doesn't apply to
it.

You are not exhibiting much sense if you think in such black and white
terms. You might as well refuse to drive. Ever. Given that you have "a
very slight chance of major accident". But you drive routinely, given the
cost/benefit calculation.

Same for everthing.

Girls who have premarital sex feel used and dirty and worthless.

Cite?

Guys looking for a wife want someone who hasn't been test-driven and
the girl wants someone who hasn't been in the habit of playing the
field; he might keep it up after she marries him. These are facts

Facts can be proven. Got any proof?


and
they're completely incompatible with what we're teaching kids about
"responsible sex." How stupid can we get for either spreading such
nonsense or swallowing it? Is the deeper issue just that we refuse to
be told that there are some things we should not do?

Black and white again. We are told LOTS of things that we should not do.
You are full of ****.


--
Words are flying out like endless rain into a paper cup.
They slither while they pass. They slip away across the universe.

--John Lennon

You know, I didn't catch the beginning of this thread, but the subject
line pretty much sums it up. The conservatives are at work, making the
country run so the whiners have the freedom to do so.

- -
Rex Burkheimer

"Rex B" wrote in message ...
You know, I didn't catch the beginning of this thread, but the subject
line pretty much sums it up. The conservatives are at work, making the
country run so the whiners have the freedom to do so.

You really should get out more. The principle of the TV is the vacuum tube.
If you stick your head into a vacuum tube, your brain gets sucked out...
(Thanks to Edward Abbey, I think...)

Dan


--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp

On Tue, 24 May 2005 16:30:19 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On 24 May 2005 08:47:26 -0700, wrote:


* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

Doesnt say much for our educational system, or the parents, who havent
taught their kids self control.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

How many kids do you have now? Tell us again ....
(He hates "education" as it's run by "liberals" and
the educated tend to become "liberals" as they often
ignore Rush & the winger's stupid blogs & endless BS.)

He has math problems too G.
--
Cliff

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On 24 May 2005 08:47:26 -0700, wrote:


* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

Doesnt say much for our educational system, or the parents, who havent
taught their kids self control.

I take it then that you have never had sex outside marriage. what a guy!

Dan


--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp

Dan wrote:



"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On 24 May 2005 08:47:26 -0700, wrote:


* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

Doesnt say much for our educational system, or the parents, who havent
taught their kids self control.

I take it then that you have never had sex outside marriage. what a guy!

The green of envy suits you. Got the cods to tell your wife, fluffypony?

On Tue, 24 May 2005 16:30:19 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On 24 May 2005 08:47:26 -0700, wrote:


* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

Doesnt say much for our educational system, or the parents, who havent
taught their kids self control.

Gunner

Sound advice coming from a man who smokes and has a heart condition.

A man who talks about his wife in one post and his black girlfriend in
another.

A man who brags about all his guns and ammo, yet cannot afford
insurance or his hospital bills.

The list goes on, but the truth is that this is not a man who has the
room to talk about anyone else's lack of self-control.

In article ,
Bob Brock wrote:

On Tue, 24 May 2005 16:30:19 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On 24 May 2005 08:47:26 -0700, wrote:


* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.

Doesnt say much for our educational system, or the parents, who havent
taught their kids self control.

Gunner

Sound advice coming from a man who smokes and has a heart condition.

A man who talks about his wife in one post and his black girlfriend in
another.

A man who brags about all his guns and ammo, yet cannot afford
insurance or his hospital bills.

The list goes on, but the truth is that this is not a man who has the
room to talk about anyone else's lack of self-control.

Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily make one wrong. Gunner is right that
we aren't teaching kids self-control these days. But, of course, simply
passing laws that say "be moral!" or fussing at kids to act responsibly
won't work either.
It would be nice if we'd start electing actual role-models instead of
a bunch of ****ing politicians. Republicans and Democrats both suck.
The only difference is that right now the Republicans have all the power
so they're doing all the damage.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

wrote in article
. com...

* wrote:



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.



This may be true but the point of the 60 Minutes story showed how 88%
of these kids that these seminars get to take an abstinence vow break
their vow. Combine that with the "condoms are useless" message and we
have a recipe for disaster.




No....That's what YOU took from the show, and considered that to be the
whole point of the show - one factoid.


The point of the show was focused on someone who was actually out there
teaching people that the "Condoms Prevent AIDS" position is pure B.S. and
that it is a false hope to believe that the use of condoms constitutes the
practice of "Safe Sex"....

.....and, that abstinence is the ONLY way to absolutely guarantee that you
will NOT pick up a deadly STD.

On Sun, 29 May 2005 16:36:53 -0500, "*" wrote:

....and, that abstinence is the ONLY way to absolutely guarantee that you
will NOT pick up a deadly STD.

What did you catch? How long ago?
http://www.alcatrazhistory.com/cap1.htm
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2005 16:36:53 -0500, "*" wrote:


....and, that abstinence is the ONLY way to absolutely guarantee that you
will NOT pick up a deadly STD.


What did you catch? How long ago?
http://www.alcatrazhistory.com/cap1.htm

You don't expect him to read all that do you?

Make it simple:
http://www.poxhistory.com/

On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:12:20 -0500, "*" wrote:



Cliff wrote in article
...
[
Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696975.shtml

The story was on 60 Minutes last night. After the government spent
millions
of dollars getting people to use condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS, the
current administration has spent millions more to persuade young
people not
to use them. They say the *only* answer to the problem is abstinence,
and
tax dollars fund school programs that are not allowed to mention
condoms
except in the context of how often they fail. There is a religious
program
(funded by your tax money)called the Silver Ring Thing, whose
participants
wear a silver ring to denote their pledge to remain virgins until
marriage.
Research has shown that 88% of pledgers fail to keep the pledge, but
it does
keep them virgins about a year and a half longer than they otherwise
would
be. The problem is, pledgers do not use condoms when they finally do
have
sex. They've been told that condoms have no value as protection. This
policy
is putting young people at unnecessary risk, just to promote the
religious-right agenda, and your tax dollars are being used to do it.
]



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

You must be ****ing joking, right?


Yup! I think you would be stupid to have sex with her too......especially
with the facts in hand......

......yet "magical condoms" are being promoted as a way to have sex with
HIV-infected people.

The benefit of condoms is another falsehood spread by the liberals. They DO
work.....sometimes, but......

....what do you say to the random person for whom the condoms have
failed?????

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal

snip
The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal


Abstinence works perfectly! It's just not the adgenda of the...(follow the
money)

On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:17:34 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

snip
The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal


Abstinence works perfectly! It's just not the adgenda of the...(follow the
money)

No, abstinence does NOT work, because people CAN'T DO IT !

Hal

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:17:34 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

snip
The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal


Abstinence works perfectly! It's just not the adgenda of the...(follow
the
money)

No, abstinence does NOT work, because people CAN'T DO IT !

Hal

I'll still stand by the fact that abstinence works perfectly but difficult
to achieve for the stupid. Why then at my 30th High School reunion there
were no out of wed babies or even divorces to any of my classmates...just
success stories, could it be that it is a Catholic HS??? Yet, I went to a
friend's public HS reunion and it was one tragic story after another,
consequences of bad, immoral decisions! Damn us fundies!!!

wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:17:34 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


snip

The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal


Abstinence works perfectly! It's just not the adgenda of the...(follow the
money)


No, abstinence does NOT work, because people CAN'T DO IT !

Hal

I know plenty of people who can do it just fine, and have since
puberty. They were taught about choices & consequences, and responsible
social behaviour.
To say that people can't do it is to take away any need to be
responsible for their own actions. Seems to be a lot of social ills
that stem from that.

On Tue, 24 May 2005 12:22:17 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:17:34 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

snip
The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal


Abstinence works perfectly! It's just not the adgenda of the...(follow the
money)

No, abstinence does NOT work, because people CAN'T DO IT !

Hal

sure they can. Only the weak, brainless or criminally stupid cant.

Gunner




"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:42:04 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:12:20 -0500, "*" wrote:



Cliff wrote in article
.. .
[
Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696975.shtml

The story was on 60 Minutes last night. After the government spent
millions
of dollars getting people to use condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS, the
current administration has spent millions more to persuade young
people not
to use them. They say the *only* answer to the problem is abstinence,
and
tax dollars fund school programs that are not allowed to mention
condoms
except in the context of how often they fail. There is a religious
program
(funded by your tax money)called the Silver Ring Thing, whose
participants
wear a silver ring to denote their pledge to remain virgins until
marriage.
Research has shown that 88% of pledgers fail to keep the pledge, but
it does
keep them virgins about a year and a half longer than they otherwise
would
be. The problem is, pledgers do not use condoms when they finally do
have
sex. They've been told that condoms have no value as protection. This
policy
is putting young people at unnecessary risk, just to promote the
religious-right agenda, and your tax dollars are being used to do it.
]



The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

You must be ****ing joking, right?


Yup! I think you would be stupid to have sex with her too......especially
with the facts in hand......

......yet "magical condoms" are being promoted as a way to have sex with
HIV-infected people.

The benefit of condoms is another falsehood spread by the liberals. They DO
work.....sometimes, but......

....what do you say to the random person for whom the condoms have
failed?????

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

The whole point, besides being beyond your grasp, is that abstinence
DOES NOT WORK !

Get it yet?

Hal


Abstinence always works.

Its when folks are too weak, too lazy or to stupid to NOT abstain,
comes the problem.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"*" wrote

The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

Only if you believe the Bush administration and ignore all the science.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

No. If I were to hand you a revolver with 30 chambers armed, then told
you you could empty all but one chamber, it wouldn't be a good deal...

But if you could pick a gun, knowing that 1 in 100 has one bullet in it,
and offered you $100,000 to pick one...

Still not a great deal, but certainly less dangerous than many professions
paying much less.

Sex is powerful. Ignoring human nature is just plain stupid, which fits
right in with this administration (they'll greet us with flowers).

Yup! I think you would be stupid to have sex with her too......especially
with the facts in hand......

......yet "magical condoms" are being promoted as a way to have sex with
HIV-infected people.

You have been watching some ads I have never seen. Care to tell me
who is putting out this information?

But, if a person is going to pick up the gun ANYWAY, don't you think
it might be better to allow them the one with only one bullet?

The benefit of condoms is another falsehood spread by the liberals.

And the CDC and other public health agencies (liberals, all, I guess).

They DO work.....sometimes, but......

As opposed to nothing...

They work remarkably well, in fact. Not perfect. But you could get in a
bloody accident in an elevator with an HIV-infected person, too. Life is
like that.

....what do you say to the random person for whom the condoms have
failed?????

Tough luck?

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

So, you are saying that no one should have sex, ever again. THERE'S
a working solution, all right!

How about we will make a law such that no
Republican or Libertarian who has ever voted Republican can ever have sex
ever again. Most problems should go away in less than 150 years!

Great solution. I like it.

Congratulate yourself!

Dan


--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp

On Tue, 24 May 2005 19:24:48 -0700, "Dan"
wrote:

"*" wrote

The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

Only if you believe the Bush administration and ignore all the science.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

No. If I were to hand you a revolver with 30 chambers armed, then told
you you could empty all but one chamber, it wouldn't be a good deal...

Most people don't even know that they have it til symptoms
start, doctors are seen and it's diagnosed.
This leaves an open window for the spread of the infection
that can last a decade or more. Not to mention child support
and paternity suits.

Catholics can just go see a priest ....
--
Cliff

On Tue, 24 May 2005 19:24:48 -0700, "Dan"
wrote:

How about we will make a law such that no
Republican or Libertarian who has ever voted Republican can ever have sex
ever again. Most problems should go away in less than 150 years!

Great solution. I like it.

Me too G.
--
Cliff

On Tue, 24 May 2005 19:24:48 -0700, "Dan"
wrote:



"*" wrote

The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

Only if you believe the Bush administration and ignore all the science.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

No. If I were to hand you a revolver with 30 chambers armed, then told
you you could empty all but one chamber, it wouldn't be a good deal...

I'd like to see THAT revolver!

(snips)

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

So, you are saying that no one should have sex, ever again. THERE'S
a working solution, all right!

Are you suggesting that monogamous couples don't have sex?

How about we will make a law such that no
Republican or Libertarian who has ever voted Republican can ever have sex
ever again.

I'm sure you'd like that. Heck, you'd probably like to
execute anyone who ever voted Republican or Libertarian.

Most problems should go away in less than 150 years!

Great solution. I like it.

No doubt.

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

"Robert Sturgeon"

No. If I were to hand you a revolver with 30 chambers armed, then told
you you could empty all but one chamber, it wouldn't be a good deal...

I'd like to see THAT revolver!

Hypothetical, for institutional use only...

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

So, you are saying that no one should have sex, ever again. THERE'S
a working solution, all right!

Are you suggesting that monogamous couples don't have sex?

No, I'm stating categorically there is no way to ensure your mate or
mate-to-be
or was-mate(s) is/are and/or was/were and/or will be monogamous...

How about we will make a law such that no
Republican or Libertarian who has ever voted Republican can ever have sex
ever again.

I'm sure you'd like that. Heck, you'd probably like to
execute anyone who ever voted Republican or Libertarian.

Nope, I'm not like the NeoCon proles. Thank Gaia.

Dan


--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp

On Thu, 26 May 2005 18:05:29 -0700, "Dan"
wrote:



"Robert Sturgeon"

No. If I were to hand you a revolver with 30 chambers armed, then told
you you could empty all but one chamber, it wouldn't be a good deal...

I'd like to see THAT revolver!

Hypothetical, for institutional use only...

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

So, you are saying that no one should have sex, ever again. THERE'S
a working solution, all right!

Are you suggesting that monogamous couples don't have sex?

No, I'm stating categorically there is no way to ensure your mate or
mate-to-be
or was-mate(s) is/are and/or was/were and/or will be monogamous...

Nice spin. It doesn't work, but it's a hell of a try.

How about we will make a law such that no
Republican or Libertarian who has ever voted Republican can ever have sex
ever again.

I'm sure you'd like that. Heck, you'd probably like to
execute anyone who ever voted Republican or Libertarian.

Nope, I'm not like the NeoCon proles. Thank Gaia.

From what I've seen of your posts, you seem to be just like
some of them, thoroughly intolerant of dissenting opinions -
just working the other side of the street. On the other
hand, as weird as some of them are, I don't recall seeing
any of them admitting to the belief that the earth is a
living being, let alone a god. And I thought they were
supposed to hostile to the proles (short for
"proletarians"?). By labeling them "NeoCon proles," you
look to be hostile to the working people yourself. Some
"liberal" you are...

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

In article 01c56051$17fb74a0$a4a5c3d8@race,
"*" wrote:

[...]

The whole "Condoms prevents AIDS" thing is B.S.

If I were to point out a woman to you, tell you that she, in fact, is HIV
positive, then give you a condom and tell you she wants to have sex with
you......would you?

Yup! I think you would be stupid to have sex with her too......especially
with the facts in hand......

......yet "magical condoms" are being promoted as a way to have sex with
HIV-infected people.

The benefit of condoms is another falsehood spread by the liberals. They DO
work.....sometimes, but......

....what do you say to the random person for whom the condoms have
failed?????

The ONLY sure-fire way to prevent the spread of HIV and pregnancy is
abstinence...followed by monagamy.

Actually, every time I've seen anyone pushing condom use they
consistently refer to "lower risk." I haven't seen any actual people
(as opposed to anonymous "liberals" quoted by others) state that condoms
make you invulnerable.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

B.B. u wrote in article
...
In article 01c56051$17fb74a0$a4a5c3d8@race,
"*" wrote:

[...]



Actually, every time I've seen anyone pushing condom use they
consistently refer to "lower risk." I haven't seen any actual people
(as opposed to anonymous "liberals" quoted by others) state that condoms
make you invulnerable.



That's funny......I thought the term "SAFE" sex was the term most commonly
applied to condom use, not "SAFER" sex...

The implication is that it is completely safe.......not marginally safer.

Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.
snip
Everybody and their organizations (which include governments)
from time to time, attempt to accomplish mutually contradictory
things. The current president/regime/economy is no different.
Indeed, there is a folk saying about "trying to have your cake
and eat it to."

What is highly disturbing is the ever-increasing amplitude of
these mutually contradictory efforts in terms of both lives and
money, and their growing frequency. This is considerably
exacerbated by the rage of the individuals and organizational
leaders when both, and generally neither, of their contradictory
objectives are even partially attained.

An additional aggravating factor is an unhealthy pre-occupation,
if not obsession, with the sex lives/practices of our young
adults by the individuals responsible.

It is frequently observed that one manifestation of insanity is
endlessly repeating the same actions and expecting different
outcomes. Using this operational definition, it is clear that
almost all of our current socio-economic leadership are in need
of a serious mental health tune-up.

"Cliff" wrote in message
news
[
Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696975.shtml

The story was on 60 Minutes last night. After the government spent
millions
of dollars getting people to use condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS, the
current administration has spent millions more to persuade young
people not
to use them. They say the *only* answer to the problem is abstinence,
and
tax dollars fund school programs that are not allowed to mention
condoms
except in the context of how often they fail. There is a religious
program
(funded by your tax money)called the Silver Ring Thing, whose
participants
wear a silver ring to denote their pledge to remain virgins until
marriage.
Research has shown that 88% of pledgers fail to keep the pledge, but
it does
keep them virgins about a year and a half longer than they otherwise
would
be. The problem is, pledgers do not use condoms when they finally do
have
sex. They've been told that condoms have no value as protection. This
policy
is putting young people at unnecessary risk, just to promote the
religious-right agenda, and your tax dollars are being used to do it.

As proven, morality can't and shouldn't be legislated. Everyone has the
right to exercise free-will. However, there are consequences. Aids is a
perfect example of those consequences. Handing out condoms is condoning
premarital sex which is just what the liberals want so they can stoke-up the
abortion machine to pocket billions of dollars, glorify homosexuality,
destroy any family values and thus control an impoverished public with
promises of democratic womb-to-tomb care because the public is now so dumb
they can't think or care for themselves which is far better than being
victims of the vast right-wing conspiracy of family values and personal
responsibility.

On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:49:05 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
news
[
Of all the horrible things the Bush administration has done, this has
to be
one of the worst.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696975.shtml

The story was on 60 Minutes last night. After the government spent
millions
of dollars getting people to use condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS, the
current administration has spent millions more to persuade young
people not
to use them. They say the *only* answer to the problem is abstinence,
and
tax dollars fund school programs that are not allowed to mention
condoms
except in the context of how often they fail. There is a religious
program
(funded by your tax money)called the Silver Ring Thing, whose
participants
wear a silver ring to denote their pledge to remain virgins until
marriage.
Research has shown that 88% of pledgers fail to keep the pledge, but
it does
keep them virgins about a year and a half longer than they otherwise
would
be. The problem is, pledgers do not use condoms when they finally do
have
sex. They've been told that condoms have no value as protection. This
policy
is putting young people at unnecessary risk, just to promote the
religious-right agenda, and your tax dollars are being used to do it.

As proven, morality can't and shouldn't be legislated. Everyone has the
right to exercise free-will. However, there are consequences. Aids is a
perfect example of those consequences. Handing out condoms is condoning
premarital sex which is just what the liberals want so they can stoke-up the
abortion machine to pocket billions of dollars, glorify homosexuality,
destroy any family values and thus control an impoverished public with
promises of democratic womb-to-tomb care because the public is now so dumb
they can't think or care for themselves which is far better than being
victims of the vast right-wing conspiracy of family values and personal
responsibility.

Which church? Do these folks agree with you?
http://users.erols.com/oddities-inc/sfs.html
http://www.bettybowers.com/
http://landoverbaptist.org/

HTH
--
Cliff

"Tom Gardner"

Handing out condoms is condoning
premarital sex which is just what the liberals want so they can stoke-up
the
abortion machine

Which is why people who are kept ignorant have much higher abortion rates...

OK. If you are merely ignorant, there is a cu education. If you are
knowingly spreading these falsehoods, you are a liar.

Which is it?

Dan


--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp