--I've got a cheapo import 6" vise on my mill. Trouble is I
can't fit a standard 3-handle "speed handle" to it because the
protruding hex shaft is metric and smaller than the standard SAE handles.
I've shimmed with brass strip to make the standard handle work but this
is a genuine Mickey Mouse kludge. Has anyone seen a metric speed
handle, or a nice little adapter that one can buy?
--TIA,


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In article ,
says...
--I've got a cheapo import 6" vise on my mill. Trouble is I
can't fit a standard 3-handle "speed handle" to it because the
protruding hex shaft is metric and smaller than the standard SAE handles.
I've shimmed with brass strip to make the standard handle work but this
is a genuine Mickey Mouse kludge. Has anyone seen a metric speed
handle, or a nice little adapter that one can buy?
--TIA,


1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
cheap metric socket in the bore.

2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG

Ned Simmons

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:48:27 -0400, Ned Simmons wrote:
In article ,
says...
--I've got a cheapo import 6" vise on my mill. Trouble is I
can't fit a standard 3-handle "speed handle" to it because the
protruding hex shaft is metric and smaller than the standard SAE handles.
I've shimmed with brass strip to make the standard handle work but this
is a genuine Mickey Mouse kludge. Has anyone seen a metric speed
handle, or a nice little adapter that one can buy?

1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
cheap metric socket in the bore.

That's brilliant. And loctite has that sleeve-retaining flavor
of loctite which should do the trick. But does it stick to a
chromed socket?

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

That's brilliant. And loctite has that sleeve-retaining flavor
of loctite which should do the trick. But does it stick to a
chromed socket?

That would be Loctite 640 Sleeve Retainer. I don't know if it would stick to
chrome (you could always call a Loctite tech advisor). But there is another
solution: use an impact socket, thus no chrome.

- Michael

Ned Simmons wrote in
:


2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG

Ned Simmons

Ned,
That is beyond slick, it's downright great. Even takes care of the 'I
need to use my knee to clamp this while I hold it' situation. I am
cross-posting this to amc, as I am sure some guys over there would be
very interested in this.



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better idiots.

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"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
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2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG


Excellent job Ned! Please tell: how did you make the hoop?

Regards,
Michael

DeepDiver wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

That's brilliant. And loctite has that sleeve-retaining flavor
of loctite which should do the trick. But does it stick to a
chromed socket?


That would be Loctite 640 Sleeve Retainer. I don't know if it would stick to
chrome (you could always call a Loctite tech advisor). But there is another
solution: use an impact socket, thus no chrome.

Impact sockets turn nicely in a lathe.
Start with a deep socket
Bore hub of handle
Turn OD of socket to press-fit.
Part off to size
Press into hub, with Loctite or the Permatex equivalent

Ned Simmons wrote:
: 1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
: cheap metric socket in the bore.
: 2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
: http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG
--Very slick; thanks for the idea! :-) Instead of Loctite I think
I'll pin it in place by drilling between the intersection and pounding
in a roll pin...

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Anthony wrote:

Ned Simmons wrote in
:



2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG

Ned Simmons


Ned,
That is beyond slick, it's downright great. Even takes care of the 'I
need to use my knee to clamp this while I hold it' situation. I am
cross-posting this to amc, as I am sure some guys over there would be
very interested in this.





Where is the suicide knob?

"steamer" wrote in message
news | --I've got a cheapo import 6" vise on my mill. Trouble is I
| can't fit a standard 3-handle "speed handle" to it because the
| protruding hex shaft is metric and smaller than the standard SAE handles.
| I've shimmed with brass strip to make the standard handle work but this
| is a genuine Mickey Mouse kludge. Has anyone seen a metric speed
| handle, or a nice little adapter that one can buy?
| --TIA,

Reid Tool Supply at www.reidsupply.com has all that stuff, or should
have something that will work. Very good catalog to have, if you don't have
one already.

"DeepDiver" wrote in message
...
| "Ned Simmons" wrote in message
| -
|
| 2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
| http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG
|
|
| Excellent job Ned! Please tell: how did you make the hoop?
|
| Regards,
| Michael

It looks like a high pressure o-ring, which are aluminum. My neighbor
and my dad were facilities at a large chemical plant so whenever one came
out (not reusable) they went home to become martin houses, propane burner
frames, and a billion other things. Oilfield uses them, too, for just about
all their piping.

In article et,
says...
"DeepDiver" wrote in message
...
| "Ned Simmons" wrote in message
| -
|
| 2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
| http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG
|
|
| Excellent job Ned! Please tell: how did you make the hoop?
|
| Regards,
| Michael

It looks like a high pressure o-ring, which are aluminum. My neighbor
and my dad were facilities at a large chemical plant so whenever one came
out (not reusable) they went home to become martin houses, propane burner
frames, and a billion other things. Oilfield uses them, too, for just about
all their piping.



I think you're close. I believe it's some sort of sealing ring ring for
a pipe flange. It's plated steel with an obround cross section and came
in an auction lot with perhaps 15 assorted sizes from a shop that made
custom pipe flanges. The shop wasn't making the rings--they may have
been using them as gages when machining the flanges.

Ned Simmons

In article ,
says...
Ned Simmons wrote in
:


2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG

Ned Simmons

Ned,
That is beyond slick, it's downright great. Even takes care of the 'I
need to use my knee to clamp this while I hold it' situation. I am
cross-posting this to amc, as I am sure some guys over there would be
very interested in this.


Thanks. The other nice thing about it is the high inertia makes it easy
to quickly spin the vise open or closed, as long as you're careful to
keep your fingers out of the spokes.

Ned Simmons

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:48:27 -0400, Ned Simmons wrote:
In article ,
says...
--I've got a cheapo import 6" vise on my mill. Trouble is I
can't fit a standard 3-handle "speed handle" to it because the
protruding hex shaft is metric and smaller than the standard SAE handles.
I've shimmed with brass strip to make the standard handle work but this
is a genuine Mickey Mouse kludge. Has anyone seen a metric speed
handle, or a nice little adapter that one can buy?

1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
cheap metric socket in the bore.

That's brilliant. And loctite has that sleeve-retaining flavor
of loctite which should do the trick. But does it stick to a
chromed socket?



Good question. It might be a good idea to remove the chrome. I stripped
the chrome from the socket in my homemade handle before welding with a
carbide tool in the lathe.

Ned Simmons

That must be a naval example. Nice concept - won't grab a pocket!

Martin
--
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NRA LOH, NRA Life
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Ned Simmons wrote:
In article ,
says...

--I've got a cheapo import 6" vise on my mill. Trouble is I
can't fit a standard 3-handle "speed handle" to it because the
protruding hex shaft is metric and smaller than the standard SAE handles.
I've shimmed with brass strip to make the standard handle work but this
is a genuine Mickey Mouse kludge. Has anyone seen a metric speed
handle, or a nice little adapter that one can buy?
--TIA,



1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
cheap metric socket in the bore.

2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG

Ned Simmons


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SNIP

Reid Tool Supply at www.reidsupply.com has all that stuff, or should
have something that will work. Very good catalog to have, if you don't have
one already.


Hey Carl,

WOW!!! Don't ever knock coincidence. My new Reid catalogue arrived
in the mail yesterday!! Looking in the Index just now for "Speed,
handles" gave speed vises on page 160. Getting ready to flip through
the book(let) instantly gave Page 160, as there is hard-paper insert
at that page!! Spider and Speed vise handles are on pages 158 and 159
(20 to 75 bucks).

Hard-paper insert turns out to be a "Request For Catalogue". Freebie
too. Plus a low priced CAD Library advert that interests me.

Just scratch up the surface of the chrome with a coarse stone or
abrasive paper. The locTite will grip fine. Epoxy works too.
Bugs

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:10:47 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

That's brilliant. And loctite has that sleeve-retaining flavor
of loctite which should do the trick. But does it stick to a
chromed socket?

That would be Loctite 640 Sleeve Retainer. I don't know if it would stick to
chrome (you could always call a Loctite tech advisor). But there is another
solution: use an impact socket, thus no chrome.

- Michael

My 4000 lb Carolina engine hoist had a hex head on the end of the
valve. I mig'd a t handle to the end of an old taiwanese socket and
now I have good control over the valve.

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:21:37 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote:

"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
-

2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG


Excellent job Ned! Please tell: how did you make the hoop?

Regards,
Michael

Looks like someone works in the oilfields....G

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

Ned Simmons wrote in
:

In article ,
says...
Ned Simmons wrote in
:


2. Weld up a better handle with a socket as the hub...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...KurtHandle.JPG

Ned Simmons

Ned,
That is beyond slick, it's downright great. Even takes care of the 'I
need to use my knee to clamp this while I hold it' situation. I am
cross-posting this to amc, as I am sure some guys over there would be
very interested in this.


Thanks. The other nice thing about it is the high inertia makes it easy
to quickly spin the vise open or closed, as long as you're careful to
keep your fingers out of the spokes.


Ned,

That is so frickin kewl. Although I kept looking for the fuzzy dice hangin
down from the head.

Sometimes ya just see a great idea and think "Why didnt I think of that!"
This is one of those times.

You should submit that to the practical shop ideas in the machinist
magazine.

I bet ya win hands down, er so to speak. g

Bing

"Brian Lawson" wrote in message
news | SNIP
|
| Reid Tool Supply at www.reidsupply.com has all that stuff, or should
| have something that will work. Very good catalog to have, if you don't
have
| one already.
|
|
| Hey Carl,
|
| WOW!!! Don't ever knock coincidence. My new Reid catalogue arrived
| in the mail yesterday!! Looking in the Index just now for "Speed,
| handles" gave speed vises on page 160. Getting ready to flip through
| the book(let) instantly gave Page 160, as there is hard-paper insert
| at that page!! Spider and Speed vise handles are on pages 158 and 159
| (20 to 75 bucks).
|
| Hard-paper insert turns out to be a "Request For Catalogue". Freebie
| too. Plus a low priced CAD Library advert that interests me.

Goody! Haven't even had a chance to go through it yet.

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in news:42576606$1_1@
127.0.0.1:

That must be a naval example. Nice concept - won't grab a pocket!

Or an elbow, knee, hip, the all important family jewels, or other body
parts either.



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You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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Ned Simmons wrote:
: 1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
: cheap metric socket in the bore.
--Good plan; just one catch: I've googled on 16.5mm socket and
gotten ZERO hits on half a dozen search engines! If anyone's got a lead on
where to get one I'd sure like to know!
--TIA,

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never heard of such a beast.
Whatever would you need a 16.5mm socket for??
11/16" won't fit?
- -
Rex Burkheimer
WM Automotive
Fort Worth TX

steamer wrote:
Ned Simmons wrote:
: 1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
: cheap metric socket in the bore.
--Good plan; just one catch: I've googled on 16.5mm socket and
gotten ZERO hits on half a dozen search engines! If anyone's got a lead on
where to get one I'd sure like to know!
--TIA,

--
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Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Mexican Oompah bands...
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16.5 mm is not an ISO standard size, so you'll have a tough time finding
it.


"steamer" wrote in message
news
Ned Simmons wrote:
: 1. Bore out a standard speed handle and press/loctite a
: cheap metric socket in the bore.
--Good plan; just one catch: I've googled on 16.5mm socket and
gotten ZERO hits on half a dozen search engines! If anyone's got a lead on
where to get one I'd sure like to know!
--TIA,

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : For some reason hung up on
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Mexican Oompah bands...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
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Rex B wrote:
: never heard of such a beast.
: Whatever would you need a 16.5mm socket for??
: 11/16" won't fit?
--Well yes and no; I'd have to shim it, as it's .0379" too big,
which gets me back to the original problem; i.e. too much slop in the
handle... Maybe I could put the thing together, then pour in babbit or
something, but then I'd never be able to get it back off.

--
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Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Mexican Oompah bands...
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"steamer" wrote in message
...
Rex B wrote:
: never heard of such a beast.
: Whatever would you need a 16.5mm socket for??
: 11/16" won't fit?
--Well yes and no; I'd have to shim it, as it's .0379" too big,
which gets me back to the original problem; i.e. too much slop in the
handle... Maybe I could put the thing together, then pour in babbit or
something, but then I'd never be able to get it back off.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : For some reason hung up on
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Mexican Oompah bands...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
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Are you sure that it isn't british-witworth? there is no 16.5 socket.
Pat

--Could be damn near anything; import vise I've had for a
decade or more; can't remember where I got it.. I just know that the
caliper sez the hex on the vise is 16.5mm

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steamer wrote:
Rex B wrote:
: never heard of such a beast.
: Whatever would you need a 16.5mm socket for??
: 11/16" won't fit?
--Well yes and no; I'd have to shim it, as it's .0379" too big,
which gets me back to the original problem; i.e. too much slop in the
handle... Maybe I could put the thing together, then pour in babbit or
something, but then I'd never be able to get it back off.

--
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Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Mexican Oompah bands...
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How about making a babbitt on a mock up version. Then if it is wood (purple heart or a high Si type)
(might stand up better to the temps... - then drill it out and then split it ...

If you had a hole in the end, then a wheel puller could extract it - if so then maybe
tapered shims and a jam fit. Wheel puller to extract when needed.

Martin

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lionslair at consolidated dot net "lionslair at consolidated dot net" wrote:
: If you had a hole in the end, then a wheel puller could extract it
(SNIP)
--Aha! Will take a whack at this; stay tuned..
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"steamer" wrote in message
...
I just know that the caliper sez the
hex on the vise is 16.5mm

Why not simply take a file to the hex? If you stroke it squarely and
uniformly on all six sides, you should be able get it to 16mm -- or even
5/8" -- fairly easily.

- Michael

--Because I don't use the speed handle all the time; if I
change the hex I won't be able to use the "conventional" handle any
more..

--
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