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Pre 1.6 gpf Toilets - Legal Anywhere?
We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with
Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. |
Exactly whom is going to stop you from using them?
I imagine you could still eBay them if you really wanted to. |
Now who'd buy used toilets? I certainly won't.
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Just what I always wanted a used toilet
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I am pretty sure the law is that you can no longer manufacture the
toilets, I do not believe there is a prohibition on selling or installing one in your own home. I live in Detroit, and we go to the Home Depot in Canada to get a real toilet, drive it back across the border. Yes, I am a toilet smuggler, but only for personal use. |
"Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message ... We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. Make fantastic planters in the front yard in certain parts of the country. Wanted to use one in our front yard until the lot next door was sold (hopefully to me and at my price) but my wife wouldn't let me. Had access to a beautiful old Avocado Green one I removed from my mother in laws old mobile home, too. Oh, well. Seriously, we put Toto in our new bathroom remodel and it works better than any old high gallon model we ever had. Tom. |
Question is why why why?????
Some newer 1.6 gpf toilets work better than old 3.5 gpf. Just buy a better model. Who in the right mind would buy used toilet? |
Wonder if some people call taxi's from their hospital room to take them home so they avoid sitting on hospital toilet cooties... god forbid a nurse brings them a portable toilet seat with a bucket under it. Ewwww, get that hose back in my nose now!. heck I'd probably buy a used 1.6g toilet have you seen some of the prices! I'm sure a good sanitizing would fix em. "Brian" wrote in message oups.com... Question is why why why????? Some newer 1.6 gpf toilets work better than old 3.5 gpf. Just buy a better model. Who in the right mind would buy used toilet? |
Dick wrote: We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. A mountain cabin with limited water supply and limited septic capacity does not seem like a good match for a high-gallon toilet. Been there done that. Plenty of people might be interested nonetheless. 1.6 gpf terlets still have a (largely undeserved) stigma and some folks refuse to buy them. %mod% |
wrote: Plenty of people might be interested nonetheless. 1.6 gpf terlets still have a (largely undeserved) stigma and some folks refuse to buy them. Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Bob |
"Bob S." wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Bob Yes, the Toto model that I have. It flushes like there is vacuum pulling the water down. I've never more than momentarily pressed the handle down. Tom |
These people asking why anyone would buy a used toilet are very funny! I wonder if, when they buy an existing house, they immediately swap out the existing toilets for new ones! Haha! Probably best to tear out all the tile and carpeting, too. Dimitri |
In article .com, "Bob S." wrote:
Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Another happy vote for the Toto. I happen to own the Ultramax, although they have the usual intimidating profusion of models. Anyway, the thing could probably take down a basketball! Art |
Arthur Shapiro wrote: In article .com, "Bob S." wrote: Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Another happy vote for the Toto. I happen to own the Ultramax, although they have the usual intimidating profusion of models. Anyway, the thing could probably take down a basketball! Art I believe I saw a model at Lowe's that advertises that it can clear 100 golf balls in one flush. I'd like to see that. Joe |
Our American Standard Champions work fine.
Perce On 03/02/05 03:20 pm Bob S. tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup: Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! |
No, but I put new seats on mine.
"D. Gerasimatos" wrote in message ... These people asking why anyone would buy a used toilet are very funny! I wonder if, when they buy an existing house, they immediately swap out the existing toilets for new ones! Haha! Probably best to tear out all the tile and carpeting, too. Dimitri |
In article .com,
"Brian" wrote: Question is why why why????? Some newer 1.6 gpf toilets work better than old 3.5 gpf. Just buy a better model. Who in the right mind would buy used toilet? Someone on ebay? -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
Customs: "What kinda crapper you smuggling in?"
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com wrote in message oups.com... I am pretty sure the law is that you can no longer manufacture the toilets, I do not believe there is a prohibition on selling or installing one in your own home. I live in Detroit, and we go to the Home Depot in Canada to get a real toilet, drive it back across the border. Yes, I am a toilet smuggler, but only for personal use. |
I think it's deserved if your waste line has a long horizontal run. I call
them "flush twice" toilets. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com wrote in message oups.com... Dick wrote: We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. A mountain cabin with limited water supply and limited septic capacity does not seem like a good match for a high-gallon toilet. Been there done that. Plenty of people might be interested nonetheless. 1.6 gpf terlets still have a (largely undeserved) stigma and some folks refuse to buy them. %mod% |
One repair guy I talked with says that low flow doesn't move the waste along
the drain -- so you end up with drain clogs. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Brian" wrote in message oups.com... Question is why why why????? Some newer 1.6 gpf toilets work better than old 3.5 gpf. Just buy a better model. Who in the right mind would buy used toilet? |
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Bob S. wrote:
wrote: Plenty of people might be interested nonetheless. 1.6 gpf terlets still have a (largely undeserved) stigma and some folks refuse to buy them. Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Bob The one I bought from Home Depot (it was their house brand; glacier something?) works *much* better than my old toilet. It flushes in one flush and I don't have to hold the handle down. The only problem with it is the water level in the bowl is lower, so you have to swish the toilet with a brush more often than the old one, if you know what I mean. Best regards, Bob (no relation) |
Alan wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 08:53:44 -0800, wrote: I am pretty sure the law is that you can no longer manufacture the toilets, I do not believe there is a prohibition on selling or installing one in your own home. I live in Detroit, and we go to the Home Depot in Canada to get a real toilet, drive it back across the border. I live in Canada and detest toilets that barely flush anything like my 14 year old toilets. I can hardly wait to replace them with 1.6 gpf toilets that actually make the water go down instead of swirl around aimlessly. The 1.6 gpf toilet that I had in my previous house worked incredibly well and saved a lot of money in water bills. Sometimes the ones I have now have to be flushed three times. The water saver never needed more than one flush. It was a real toilet. The water wasters are not. "saved a lot of money in water bills"???? Cripes how much do you flush the thing? Get serious! Eric |
"Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message ... We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. You can legally go to Canada, buy a full 3.5gpf toilet and bring it back to the US. You can also legally give them to someone else to use. The trash 1.6 gpf was a nightmare in my old house. Just didn't have enough volume to get the pipes cleared and had to clean the drains at least once a year. I wished I could have found a good 3.5 gpf toilet to install there. We were forced to install the 1.6gpf toilets in the new house and they are barely adequate. Stupid law that only affects what is sold as new in the US. |
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:55:51 -0800, Eric wrote:
"saved a lot of money in water bills"???? Cripes how much do you flush the thing? Get serious! Eric For most people, flushing toilets uses more water than any other household use. That was the reason for mandating low flow toilets. I think replacing my toilet in the old house cut my total water usage by a quarter. Here I am on flat rate water, so they won't pay for themselves, but I want something that flushes properly and stays cleaner. |
"flush once for liquids, flush twice for solids"
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Mike Dobony" wrote in message ... "Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message ... We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. You can legally go to Canada, buy a full 3.5gpf toilet and bring it back to the US. You can also legally give them to someone else to use. The trash 1.6 gpf was a nightmare in my old house. Just didn't have enough volume to get the pipes cleared and had to clean the drains at least once a year. I wished I could have found a good 3.5 gpf toilet to install there. We were forced to install the 1.6gpf toilets in the new house and they are barely adequate. Stupid law that only affects what is sold as new in the US. |
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:30:38 -0600, "Mike Dobony"
wrote: "Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message .. . We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. You can legally go to Canada, buy a full 3.5gpf toilet and bring it back to the US. You can also legally give them to someone else to use. The trash 1.6 gpf was a nightmare in my old house. Just didn't have enough volume to get the pipes cleared and had to clean the drains at least once a year. I wished I could have found a good 3.5 gpf toilet to install there. We were forced to install the 1.6gpf toilets in the new house and they are barely adequate. Stupid law that only affects what is sold as new in the US. All I can say is you haven't tried the latest generation of 1.6 toilets, like the Toto. The first time I flushed one I couldn't believe how it sucked the bowl down. No swirling around with these babies. They get the job done. |
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:52:44 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: I think it's deserved if your waste line has a long horizontal run. I call them "flush twice" toilets. In my experience, the opposite is true. The 1.6 gpf toilets require one flush while the old ones need two or three. Maybe the first low flow toilets were not well designed, but in the last few years they far outperform the water wasters. |
Alan wrote:
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:55:51 -0800, Eric wrote: "saved a lot of money in water bills"???? Cripes how much do you flush the thing? Get serious! Eric For most people, flushing toilets uses more water than any other household use. That was the reason for mandating low flow toilets. I think replacing my toilet in the old house cut my total water usage by a quarter. Here I am on flat rate water, so they won't pay for themselves, but I want something that flushes properly and stays cleaner. That is hard to believe. How much does a washing machine load use? How many loads does a family of four use in a week? How many length showers does the household take? And what about standing by the sink with the water running? But the bigger issue is why people think household use somehow destroys water. It doesn't. In fact putting water out to a septic field is _returning it to the natural environment_. Evaporation, cloud formation, precipitation, collection and distribution can happen again. It is perfect recycling. In fact there is _no shortage of water on Earth_. Fossil fuel combustion is creating more water as a by-product all the time. You might have an issue with where the water is, but the solution is more pipelines and tankers (or towing icebergs!), but stopping use is the way you create deserts. The trouble is, anyone with "a good idea" can call himself an "environmentalist." There are no standards, no professional groups, no licenses, no degrees. |
You must live on the east coast as I do. These so called water saving
gadgets are a necessity for the west coast people. They are forced down our throat by the federal government. It takes the industry a few years to get the water saving toilet to work right. I am not the only one who has to ditch at least one water saving toilet when it is mandated by the fed but the toilet manufacturer did not went back to the drawing board to re-engineer it. But I think the water saving toilet is a good idea, after being re-engineered of course. Historically the east coast has never had shortage of water. The occassional drought does not count. LA for example, is practically built in a desert. |
"Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message ... On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:30:38 -0600, "Mike Dobony" wrote: "Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message .. . We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. You can legally go to Canada, buy a full 3.5gpf toilet and bring it back to the US. You can also legally give them to someone else to use. The trash 1.6 gpf was a nightmare in my old house. Just didn't have enough volume to get the pipes cleared and had to clean the drains at least once a year. I wished I could have found a good 3.5 gpf toilet to install there. We were forced to install the 1.6gpf toilets in the new house and they are barely adequate. Stupid law that only affects what is sold as new in the US. If you're having to clean out the drains once a year, then the drain is the problem, not the toilet. These toilets have been standard for some time now, and I've yet to live in a house where they are not adequate. B |
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.... .... LA for example, is practically built in a desert. And who's at fault for that? :) |
Our American Standard Champions need flushing only once, whether for
liquid or for solids. OTOH, our old water-wasting large-volume toilets often needed to be flushed two (or even three) times to get rid of solid waste. Perce On 03/03/05 08:31 am Stormin Mormon tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup: "flush once for liquids, flush twice for solids" |
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:35:09 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote: Our American Standard Champions need flushing only once, whether for liquid or for solids. OTOH, our old water-wasting large-volume toilets often needed to be flushed two (or even three) times to get rid of solid waste. Perce I agree wholeheartedly. On 03/03/05 08:31 am Stormin Mormon tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup: "flush once for liquids, flush twice for solids" |
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The Enigmatic One wrote:
In article .com, says... Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Erm...it sounds like you need to adjust your toilet. -Tim Erm...S.O.P. for my 20 year old Kohler 'low-flush'. No adjustment available (other than replacement) will make a good flush. However, if you've got a suggestion, I'm willing to give it a try. -- Joe |
wrote in message ups.com... You must live on the east coast as I do. These so called water saving gadgets are a necessity for the west coast people. They are forced down our throat by the federal government. It takes the industry a few years to get the water saving toilet to work right. I am not the only one who has to ditch at least one water saving toilet when it is mandated by the fed but the toilet manufacturer did not went back to the drawing board to re-engineer it. But I think the water saving toilet is a good idea, after being re-engineered of course. Historically the east coast has never had shortage of water. The occassional drought does not count. LA for example, is practically built in a desert. LA IS built on a desert by the sea. I just left that warzone after 45 years for the great northwest. jack |
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:15:04 GMT, Joe S wrote:
The Enigmatic One wrote: In article .com, says... Is there a 1.6gpf model that will completely flush itself without you standing there and holding the handle down? Damn I hate that!!! Erm...it sounds like you need to adjust your toilet. Erm...S.O.P. for my 20 year old Kohler 'low-flush'. No adjustment available (other than replacement) will make a good flush. However, if you've got a suggestion, I'm willing to give it a try. There's probably a float on the flapper chain if yours is like the Kohler I had, that can be adjusted if you don't want to hold down the handle for two seconds when needed (most of the time it isn't). |
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:33:06 -0700, Dick LeadWinger wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:30:38 -0600, "Mike Dobony" wrote: "Dick" LeadWinger wrote in message . .. We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them in the trash. You can legally go to Canada, buy a full 3.5gpf toilet and bring it back to the US. You can also legally give them to someone else to use. The trash 1.6 gpf was a nightmare in my old house. Just didn't have enough volume to get the pipes cleared and had to clean the drains at least once a year. I wished I could have found a good 3.5 gpf toilet to install there. We were forced to install the 1.6gpf toilets in the new house and they are barely adequate. Stupid law that only affects what is sold as new in the US. All I can say is you haven't tried the latest generation of 1.6 toilets, like the Toto. The first time I flushed one I couldn't believe how it sucked the bowl down. No swirling around with these babies. They get the job done. To follow up on my original post. We now have two Toto Ultramax toilets in the house. They are unbelievable compared to the old 3.5 Kohlers they replaced (which went to the dump.) There is so little action when you flush you swear nothing is going to happen, but down it goes! We are so pleased we have another Toto on order for the 1/2 bath. This one will be a Drake, which is less expensive, but rated at even greater performance than the Ultramax (900 grams vs 700 grams.) We are sold on the 1.6 gpf Toto's. |
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