I have a vented hanging natural gas heater in my garage that will go out at
times while running. There is a small explosion when it does this and the
explosion blows out the flame. I have to re-light the pilot to restart it.
Other than this problem the heater works fine however there is an area
around the pilot where the flames seem too high. The heater is only used
when needed and the pilot runs constantly.

What should I check to find the cause of this?

Thanks in advance,
Charlie

call a pro !!!!

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:47 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

call a pro !!!!

Hey webtv trailer bitch. Your getting better. This is THE ONLY advice
you should be giving on hvac equipment.
Bubba

Call a pro , means not you bubbaass, especialy on HW or steam. OK on
Forced Air, Heat Pumps you are good. But you are not a Turtle, or CB .
Your a wood burner hilbilly .

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:56:27 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

Call a pro , means not you bubbaass, especialy on HW or steam. OK on
Forced Air, Heat Pumps you are good. But you are not a Turtle, or CB .
Your a wood burner hilbilly .

Call a pro? Was that one too hard for your trailer webtv boy?
Steam...........hehehe. Id love to see you on that. Id be laughing my
ass off.
Bubba

"CharlieB" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have a vented hanging natural gas heater in my garage that will go out at
times while running. There is a small explosion when it does this and the
explosion blows out the flame. I have to re-light the pilot to restart it.
Other than this problem the heater works fine however there is an area
around the pilot where the flames seem too high. The heater is only used
when needed and the pilot runs constantly.

What should I check to find the cause of this?

Thanks in advance,
Charlie

This is a serious condition.

If you don't get a someone in that knows what they are doing you can be
killed. I'm not exaggerating about this at all. It may be extinguish 'pop',
in which case you may need new burners.

Being that it doesn't run that much really doesn't matter, things corrode
and rust just by sitting around. I have noticed that sometimes the worse
equipment are those that aren't used.

Call someone before you die or get injured.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:21:20 GMT, Bubba
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:47 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

call a pro !!!!

Hey webtv trailer bitch. Your getting better. This is THE ONLY advice
you should be giving on hvac equipment.
Bubba

If only that were always true.

For years, I had to service my GE low pressure oil furnace because I
couldn't find a local pro who knew how to service them.

I got the factory manual from Sid Harvey/Metro and successfully
serviced it myself for over ten years. That was over 25 years ago.
Since then I've serviced dozens of heating systems at properties I
own.

I've never blown up myself or a tenant.

Of course, I have had over 35 years of experience in electronics and
marine systems, including Aalborg auxilary boilers aboard ships that
were larger than a house.

One winter, when I was out of the country, my GE furnace shut down.
A relative called a "pro" who diddled with it.
It blew apart three days after he touched it, blowing the stack pipe
off and filling the house with 1/4" of oily soot. Since the house was
temporarily unoccupied, no one noticed the problem until all the
window glass became opague.

My insurance company started proceedings to sue the "pro" and his
company but eventually felt it wasn't work the bother. Admittedly, the
fact that my house was unoccupied weakened the claim.

Since then I've had about a dozen bad experiences wtih "pros".

It seems like in my area, all the decent HVAC techs leave residential
service for commercial accounts.

But a question remains, if you "pros" do not want to handle consumer
questions, why are you hanging out here on alt.home.repair?

You could be over on alt.HVAC simply insulting each other.

Humm, maybe I will starting posting "The PRO screw up of the week"
over on alt.HVAC. I could do a weekly story for about 6 months
regarding local "pro" screw ups. Sound like a good idea??

Doug

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:59:54 GMT, Doug wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:21:20 GMT, Bubba
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:47 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

call a pro !!!!

Hey webtv trailer bitch. Your getting better. This is THE ONLY advice
you should be giving on hvac equipment.
Bubba

If only that were always true.

For years, I had to service my GE low pressure oil furnace because I
couldn't find a local pro who knew how to service them.

I got the factory manual from Sid Harvey/Metro and successfully
serviced it myself for over ten years. That was over 25 years ago.
Since then I've serviced dozens of heating systems at properties I
own.

I've never blown up myself or a tenant.

Of course, I have had over 35 years of experience in electronics and
marine systems, including Aalborg auxilary boilers aboard ships that
were larger than a house.

One winter, when I was out of the country, my GE furnace shut down.
A relative called a "pro" who diddled with it.
It blew apart three days after he touched it, blowing the stack pipe
off and filling the house with 1/4" of oily soot. Since the house was
temporarily unoccupied, no one noticed the problem until all the
window glass became opague.

My insurance company started proceedings to sue the "pro" and his
company but eventually felt it wasn't work the bother. Admittedly, the
fact that my house was unoccupied weakened the claim.

Since then I've had about a dozen bad experiences wtih "pros".

It seems like in my area, all the decent HVAC techs leave residential
service for commercial accounts.

But a question remains, if you "pros" do not want to handle consumer
questions, why are you hanging out here on alt.home.repair?

You could be over on alt.HVAC simply insulting each other.

Humm, maybe I will starting posting "The PRO screw up of the week"
over on alt.HVAC. I could do a weekly story for about 6 months
regarding local "pro" screw ups. Sound like a good idea??

Doug




Id say it sounds like you are a lonely man if that is what you do to
get off.
You ever wonder why all those res service guys go to commercial?
Because you guys bitch about someone charging you over a $100 to "tune
up" and oil furnace. It takes time and time is money to service an oil
burner correctly. So, in turn, what you get is a guy to come out and
change an oil filter and nozzle and thats it. Hint. That AINT a oil
furnace tune up.
Back to you servicing your own oil equipment and others...........
Did you ever once use combustion efficiency testing equipment to set
up those oil furnaces? How about a draft gauge or smoke pump? NO, I
didnt think so.
Do you know that you most likely wasted thousands of gallons of oil on
all those furnaces you did that werent set up properly?
Just because you can make an oil burner run doesnt make you a whiz.
Stick to something you can do correctly. Not something you are
guessing at.
Bubba

"Bubba" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:59:54 GMT, Doug wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:21:20 GMT, Bubba
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:47 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

call a pro !!!!

Hey webtv trailer bitch. Your getting better. This is THE ONLY advice
you should be giving on hvac equipment.
Bubba

If only that were always true.

For years, I had to service my GE low pressure oil furnace because I
couldn't find a local pro who knew how to service them.

I got the factory manual from Sid Harvey/Metro and successfully
serviced it myself for over ten years. That was over 25 years ago.
Since then I've serviced dozens of heating systems at properties I
own.

I've never blown up myself or a tenant.

Of course, I have had over 35 years of experience in electronics and
marine systems, including Aalborg auxilary boilers aboard ships that
were larger than a house.

One winter, when I was out of the country, my GE furnace shut down.
A relative called a "pro" who diddled with it.
It blew apart three days after he touched it, blowing the stack pipe
off and filling the house with 1/4" of oily soot. Since the house was
temporarily unoccupied, no one noticed the problem until all the
window glass became opague.

My insurance company started proceedings to sue the "pro" and his
company but eventually felt it wasn't work the bother. Admittedly, the
fact that my house was unoccupied weakened the claim.

Since then I've had about a dozen bad experiences wtih "pros".

It seems like in my area, all the decent HVAC techs leave residential
service for commercial accounts.

But a question remains, if you "pros" do not want to handle consumer
questions, why are you hanging out here on alt.home.repair?

You could be over on alt.HVAC simply insulting each other.

Humm, maybe I will starting posting "The PRO screw up of the week"
over on alt.HVAC. I could do a weekly story for about 6 months
regarding local "pro" screw ups. Sound like a good idea??

Doug




Id say it sounds like you are a lonely man if that is what you do to
get off.

Haven't done it yet - don't want to spend the same amount of time on these
newsgroups as you guys do....

You ever wonder why all those res service guys go to commercial?
Because you guys bitch about someone charging you over a $100 to "tune
up" and oil furnace. It takes time and time is money to service an oil
burner correctly. So, in turn, what you get is a guy to come out and
change an oil filter and nozzle and thats it. Hint. That AINT a oil
furnace tune up.

No kidding - you are making lots of assumptions.

I pay around an average of $175 to get one of my oil burners serviced and
never complain about that price. However, the tech typically complains when
I ask him
to meter all the parameters.

Back to you servicing your own oil equipment and others...........
Did you ever once use combustion efficiency testing equipment to set
up those oil furnaces? How about a draft gauge or smoke pump? NO, I
didnt think so.

Why don't you think so?
Yes, I've borrowed and used instruments.
When I've not had them available, I've done what I can to get heat back on
to a tenant - such as changing a clogged nozzle or filter. I then call for a
tech to set it up correctly. The point is to get heat on for the tenant
ASAP.

Do you know that you most likely wasted thousands of gallons of oil on
all those furnaces you did that werent set up properly?

Of course I realize that - again you are making assumptions that have never
occurred.
I don't think I've had a furnace or boiler run under inefficient conditons
for more than a week - ever.

However, last year, when I set up a Becket AFG without instruments and later
called in a tech,
he stated that I was only 2% off from peak efficiency....

I've installed several gas fired boilers and furnaces.
I've always clocked the burn rate, metered the CO, the draft and have had
them inspected and signed off.

Just because you can make an oil burner run doesnt make you a whiz.
Stick to something you can do correctly. Not something you are
guessing at.

Never claimed to be a whiz - but I do make the claim that a well informed
"amateur"
with 30 years of experience CAN do emergency repairs on HVAC equipment
without causing harm.

WE HAVE TO IF WE ARE LANDLORDS!

When my tenants heat goes out, I risk a citation with potential criminal
charges if the heat is not on ASAP.
Many a time I've called an HVAC company to be told that they are running
behind in their service calls
and will get back to me within 24 hours or so. By that time, I'd be cited by
City Hall - not acceptable.

The biggest problem I face with oil burners are tenants who buy oil on the
spot market and can't find an oil company to offer a service or mantenance
policy (at MY expense - I am alway willing to pay for that). Around here,
most companies will only offer service on a burner if they are supplying oil
to it. I can't legally force a tenant to buy from the same oil company. Thus
they get into a bind which puts me into a bind when things go wrong. Put it
into the lease? Yeah, right - they still disregard it...

I'll admit to not being a whiz about HVAC if you admit to not being a whiz
about landlording....

Doug

Bubba

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:55:08 GMT, "DOUGLAS"
wrote:


"Bubba" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:59:54 GMT, Doug wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:21:20 GMT, Bubba
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:47 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

call a pro !!!!

Hey webtv trailer bitch. Your getting better. This is THE ONLY advice
you should be giving on hvac equipment.
Bubba

If only that were always true.

For years, I had to service my GE low pressure oil furnace because I
couldn't find a local pro who knew how to service them.

I got the factory manual from Sid Harvey/Metro and successfully
serviced it myself for over ten years. That was over 25 years ago.
Since then I've serviced dozens of heating systems at properties I
own.

I've never blown up myself or a tenant.

Of course, I have had over 35 years of experience in electronics and
marine systems, including Aalborg auxilary boilers aboard ships that
were larger than a house.

One winter, when I was out of the country, my GE furnace shut down.
A relative called a "pro" who diddled with it.
It blew apart three days after he touched it, blowing the stack pipe
off and filling the house with 1/4" of oily soot. Since the house was
temporarily unoccupied, no one noticed the problem until all the
window glass became opague.

My insurance company started proceedings to sue the "pro" and his
company but eventually felt it wasn't work the bother. Admittedly, the
fact that my house was unoccupied weakened the claim.

Since then I've had about a dozen bad experiences wtih "pros".

It seems like in my area, all the decent HVAC techs leave residential
service for commercial accounts.

But a question remains, if you "pros" do not want to handle consumer
questions, why are you hanging out here on alt.home.repair?

You could be over on alt.HVAC simply insulting each other.

Humm, maybe I will starting posting "The PRO screw up of the week"
over on alt.HVAC. I could do a weekly story for about 6 months
regarding local "pro" screw ups. Sound like a good idea??

Doug




Id say it sounds like you are a lonely man if that is what you do to
get off.

Haven't done it yet - don't want to spend the same amount of time on these
newsgroups as you guys do....

You ever wonder why all those res service guys go to commercial?
Because you guys bitch about someone charging you over a $100 to "tune
up" and oil furnace. It takes time and time is money to service an oil
burner correctly. So, in turn, what you get is a guy to come out and
change an oil filter and nozzle and thats it. Hint. That AINT a oil
furnace tune up.

No kidding - you are making lots of assumptions.

I pay around an average of $175 to get one of my oil burners serviced and
never complain about that price. However, the tech typically complains when
I ask him
to meter all the parameters.

Back to you servicing your own oil equipment and others...........
Did you ever once use combustion efficiency testing equipment to set
up those oil furnaces? How about a draft gauge or smoke pump? NO, I
didnt think so.

Why don't you think so?
Yes, I've borrowed and used instruments.
When I've not had them available, I've done what I can to get heat back on
to a tenant - such as changing a clogged nozzle or filter. I then call for a
tech to set it up correctly. The point is to get heat on for the tenant
ASAP.

Do you know that you most likely wasted thousands of gallons of oil on
all those furnaces you did that werent set up properly?

Of course I realize that - again you are making assumptions that have never
occurred.
I don't think I've had a furnace or boiler run under inefficient conditons
for more than a week - ever.

However, last year, when I set up a Becket AFG without instruments and later
called in a tech,
he stated that I was only 2% off from peak efficiency....

I've installed several gas fired boilers and furnaces.
I've always clocked the burn rate, metered the CO, the draft and have had
them inspected and signed off.

Just because you can make an oil burner run doesnt make you a whiz.
Stick to something you can do correctly. Not something you are
guessing at.

Never claimed to be a whiz - but I do make the claim that a well informed
"amateur"
with 30 years of experience CAN do emergency repairs on HVAC equipment
without causing harm.

WE HAVE TO IF WE ARE LANDLORDS!

When my tenants heat goes out, I risk a citation with potential criminal
charges if the heat is not on ASAP.
Many a time I've called an HVAC company to be told that they are running
behind in their service calls
and will get back to me within 24 hours or so. By that time, I'd be cited by
City Hall - not acceptable.

The biggest problem I face with oil burners are tenants who buy oil on the
spot market and can't find an oil company to offer a service or mantenance
policy (at MY expense - I am alway willing to pay for that). Around here,
most companies will only offer service on a burner if they are supplying oil
to it. I can't legally force a tenant to buy from the same oil company. Thus
they get into a bind which puts me into a bind when things go wrong. Put it
into the lease? Yeah, right - they still disregard it...

I'll admit to not being a whiz about HVAC if you admit to not being a whiz
about landlording....

Doug

Bubba


Im not a wiz at landlording and dont plan to be. Too many friends and
associates that are landlords and many seem to be problems. One that
is a landlord and realtor is doing rather well. He has about 40
properties around here and now has 5 in Sarasota recently. Doesnt seem
to be around here much now that he has those places.
Bubba