Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the
larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke
from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though. Perhaps
it's a throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.



--
Bill

willshak wrote:
Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the

larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke

from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though.
Perhaps
it's a throwaway.

How big of a fish tank, 20 gallons?

So about 5000 more of those, and you can "clean" the air in your house
in 20 days!

On 1/7/2005 1:09 PM US(ET), took fingers to keys,
and typed the following:

willshak wrote:


Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the





larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke





from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though.


Perhaps


it's a throwaway.



How big of a fish tank, 20 gallons?



Could have been. Not much smaller in volume than the one used in the
Sonic Breeze ads when you consider the size of each unit. This unit was
much smaller than the SB. Looked about the size of an older cable TV
decoder box.

So about 5000 more of those, and you can "clean" the air in your house
in 20 days!


Assuming that the Ionic Breeze (sorry for the previous
mis-identification) actually works (and CU says it doesn't), how many of
them would you need to do the same thing?

--
Bill

"willshak" wrote in message
...
Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990) direct
marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the larger,
more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke from
a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though. Perhaps it's a
throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.
--
Bill

whether or not ionizers provide health benefits can be argued either way

some are effective at removing smoke from the air but can cause particles in
the air to "attach to nearby surfaces such as walls or furniture, or attach
to one another and settle out of the air" - see below

so the particles are not filtered out and still in the room, no good if the
particles are unhealthy

u.s. epa indicates "high efficiency particle filters or electrostatic
precipitators" are more efective " in removing particles of dust, tobacco
smoke, pollen or fungal spores."

some of what the u.s. epa says about ionizers:
from http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

"...some ozone generators are manufactured with an "ion generator" or
"ionizer" in the same unit. An ionizer is a device that disperses negatively
(and/or positively) charged ions into the air. These ions attach to
particles in the air giving them a negative (or positive) charge so that the
particles may attach to nearby surfaces such as walls or furniture, or
attach to one another and settle out of the air. In recent experiments,
ionizers were found to be less effective in removing particles of dust,
tobacco smoke, pollen or fungal spores than either high efficiency particle
filters or electrostatic precipitators. (Shaughnessy et al., 1994; Pierce,
et al., 1996). However, it is apparent from other experiments that the
effectiveness of particle air cleaners, including electrostatic
precipitators, ion generators, or pleated filters varies widely (U.S. EPA,
1995). "

willshak wrote:
Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the
larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.

So it claims to do next to nothing, but just not charge you as much as
the other one does.

About the only thing they really do is to put ozone in the air. Ozone
is considered a hazardous material.

Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke
from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though.
Perhaps it's a throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

On 1/7/2005 4:37 PM US(ET), Joseph Meehan took fingers to keys, and
typed the following:

willshak wrote:


Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the
larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.



So it claims to do next to nothing, but just not charge you as much as
the other one does.



Exactly! Why waste hundreds of dollars on the Ionic Breeze when you can
waste $10 for two that don't work either?

About the only thing they really do is to put ozone in the air. Ozone
is considered a hazardous material.



Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke
from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though.
Perhaps it's a throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.







--
Bill

Joseph Meehan wrote:

About the only thing they really do is to put ozone in the air. Ozone
is considered a hazardous material.


Indeed. Some consider canned tuna to be an hazardous material. Still, the
minisucule amount Ozone generated by this dude is insignificant.

What one needs is a REAL Ozone generator. The one we use generates 900ug/hr.
We could let a dead Flamingo decompose in the same room and never notice the
smell.

would an air ionizer be able to remove the smell of a dead mouse? I get one
or two a year that I can't find and the house gets pretty ripe for a week or
two.

"effi" wrote in message
...
"willshak" wrote in message
...
Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the
larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke
from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though. Perhaps
it's a throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.
--
Bill

whether or not ionizers provide health benefits can be argued either way

some are effective at removing smoke from the air but can cause particles
in the air to "attach to nearby surfaces such as walls or furniture, or
attach to one another and settle out of the air" - see below

so the particles are not filtered out and still in the room, no good if
the particles are unhealthy

u.s. epa indicates "high efficiency particle filters or electrostatic
precipitators" are more efective " in removing particles of dust, tobacco
smoke, pollen or fungal spores."

some of what the u.s. epa says about ionizers:
from http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

"...some ozone generators are manufactured with an "ion generator" or
"ionizer" in the same unit. An ionizer is a device that disperses
negatively (and/or positively) charged ions into the air. These ions
attach to particles in the air giving them a negative (or positive) charge
so that the particles may attach to nearby surfaces such as walls or
furniture, or attach to one another and settle out of the air. In recent
experiments, ionizers were found to be less effective in removing
particles of dust, tobacco smoke, pollen or fungal spores than either high
efficiency particle filters or electrostatic precipitators. (Shaughnessy
et al., 1994; Pierce, et al., 1996). However, it is apparent from other
experiments that the effectiveness of particle air cleaners, including
electrostatic precipitators, ion generators, or pleated filters varies
widely (U.S. EPA, 1995). "

possibly but the smell would continually replenish itself so you'd have to
run an ionizer continuously until the smell went away anyway, and in the
meantime with the ionizer you would have the health concerns mentioned by
the epa as to ionizers and if it is also an ozone generator you would have
ozone issues as well

any way to use a dog or other smell sensitive animal to locate the dead mice
so the decaying carcasses could be removed or otherwise remediated?

or this person uses their nose then cuts a hole in the wall to remove the
dead mouse
http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/deadratmouse.htm



"Jmagerl" wrote in message
...
would an air ionizer be able to remove the smell of a dead mouse? I get
one or two a year that I can't find and the house gets pretty ripe for a
week or two.

"effi" wrote in message
...
"willshak" wrote in message
...
Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the
larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke
from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though. Perhaps
it's a throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.
--
Bill

whether or not ionizers provide health benefits can be argued either way

some are effective at removing smoke from the air but can cause particles
in the air to "attach to nearby surfaces such as walls or furniture, or
attach to one another and settle out of the air" - see below

so the particles are not filtered out and still in the room, no good if
the particles are unhealthy

u.s. epa indicates "high efficiency particle filters or electrostatic
precipitators" are more efective " in removing particles of dust, tobacco
smoke, pollen or fungal spores."

some of what the u.s. epa says about ionizers:
from http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

"...some ozone generators are manufactured with an "ion generator" or
"ionizer" in the same unit. An ionizer is a device that disperses
negatively (and/or positively) charged ions into the air. These ions
attach to particles in the air giving them a negative (or positive)
charge so that the particles may attach to nearby surfaces such as walls
or furniture, or attach to one another and settle out of the air. In
recent experiments, ionizers were found to be less effective in removing
particles of dust, tobacco smoke, pollen or fungal spores than either
high efficiency particle filters or electrostatic precipitators.
(Shaughnessy et al., 1994; Pierce, et al., 1996). However, it is apparent
from other experiments that the effectiveness of particle air cleaners,
including electrostatic precipitators, ion generators, or pleated filters
varies widely (U.S. EPA, 1995). "

Too bad bluebottle flies aren't sold for that.
They head for the source of the smell, wall portion gets removed, carcass
taken out, wall repaired.

BTW, the Ionic Breeze got incredibly panned by Consumer's Reports a while
back.

effi wrote in message
...
any way to use a dog or other smell sensitive animal to locate the dead
mice
so the decaying carcasses could be removed or otherwise remediated?

or this person uses their nose then cuts a hole in the wall to remove the
dead mouse
http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/deadratmouse.htm

we have a cat but he shows no inclination to find dead things.

"effi" wrote in message
...
possibly but the smell would continually replenish itself so you'd have to
run an ionizer continuously until the smell went away anyway, and in the
meantime with the ionizer you would have the health concerns mentioned by
the epa as to ionizers and if it is also an ozone generator you would have
ozone issues as well

any way to use a dog or other smell sensitive animal to locate the dead
mice so the decaying carcasses could be removed or otherwise remediated?

or this person uses their nose then cuts a hole in the wall to remove the
dead mouse
http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/deadratmouse.htm



"Jmagerl" wrote in message
...
would an air ionizer be able to remove the smell of a dead mouse? I get
one or two a year that I can't find and the house gets pretty ripe for a
week or two.

"effi" wrote in message
...
"willshak" wrote in message
...
Just saw a Pat Murphy Stark (cute blond, 'Miss NYS' winner in 1990)
direct marketing TV ad for the AirForceIonizer. Claims to do what the
larger, more expensive ionizers, like the Sonic Breeze, do.
Sells for $50, but if you act now, $10 for two. :-) Cleaned all smoke
from a fish tank in 6 minutes. Nothing about cleaning it though.
Perhaps it's a throwaway.
No Google links for AirForceIonizer.
--
Bill

whether or not ionizers provide health benefits can be argued either way

some are effective at removing smoke from the air but can cause
particles in the air to "attach to nearby surfaces such as walls or
furniture, or attach to one another and settle out of the air" - see
below

so the particles are not filtered out and still in the room, no good if
the particles are unhealthy

u.s. epa indicates "high efficiency particle filters or electrostatic
precipitators" are more efective " in removing particles of dust,
tobacco smoke, pollen or fungal spores."

some of what the u.s. epa says about ionizers:
from http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

"...some ozone generators are manufactured with an "ion generator" or
"ionizer" in the same unit. An ionizer is a device that disperses
negatively (and/or positively) charged ions into the air. These ions
attach to particles in the air giving them a negative (or positive)
charge so that the particles may attach to nearby surfaces such as walls
or furniture, or attach to one another and settle out of the air. In
recent experiments, ionizers were found to be less effective in removing
particles of dust, tobacco smoke, pollen or fungal spores than either
high efficiency particle filters or electrostatic precipitators.
(Shaughnessy et al., 1994; Pierce, et al., 1996). However, it is
apparent from other experiments that the effectiveness of particle air
cleaners, including electrostatic precipitators, ion generators, or
pleated filters varies widely (U.S. EPA, 1995). "