https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.

On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

I saw a may showing both the canal and the trip around the horn. It
adds 9 1/2 days amd 3500 miles on average.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

.... and moving a bunch of sand.

This is far from an unprecedented thing and the world survived. The
canal was closed by a couple of Egypt/Israel wars, once for 8 years.
The one after the 6 day war had 15 ships trapped in the canal by
scuttled ships on each end for 8 years. After the 56 war it was closed
a year or so.

writes:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

... and moving a bunch of sand.

This is far from an unprecedented thing and the world survived. The
canal was closed by a couple of Egypt/Israel wars, once for 8 years.

You think, perhaps, that the many-fold increase in shipping
since 1967 makes for a completely different situation? How many
containerized cargo vessels where there in 1967?

(The Suez canal was closed from 1967-1975).

Worldwide shipping (millions of tons loaded)
1970 2,605
2017 10,702

Moreover the mix of shipping has changed considerably since 1970 with
the rise of container vessels (the largest of which can't use the canal
anyway) and the demise of the tramp steamer.

Half of the shipping in 1970 was Oil & Gas. By 2017 that had dropped
to 30% of all shipping (while growing substantially in volume).

In 1996 there were 45 million TEUs of containerized cargo, by 2018,
there was 160 million TEUs of containerized cargo annually.

Comparing the late 1960's/70's to 2020 is not an apples to apples comparision.

(Figures above from "50 years of Review of Maritime Transport, 1968-2018"
United Nations Transport and Trade Facilitation Series No. 11)

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
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writes:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

... and moving a bunch of sand.

This is far from an unprecedented thing and the world survived. The
canal was closed by a couple of Egypt/Israel wars, once for 8 years.

You think, perhaps, that the many-fold increase in shipping
since 1967 makes for a completely different situation?

That isnt the case.

How many containerized cargo vessels where there in 1967?

It isnt about container vessels, they all use the canal.

(The Suez canal was closed from 1967-1975).

Worldwide shipping (millions of tons loaded)
1970 2,605
2017 10,702

It isnt tons that matter, its vessels moving.

Moreover the mix of shipping has changed considerably
since 1970 with the rise of container vessels (the largest
of which can't use the canal anyway)

That’s not correct with the suez canal.

and the demise of the tramp steamer.

They havent demised.

Half of the shipping in 1970 was Oil & Gas. By 2017 that had dropped
to 30% of all shipping (while growing substantially in volume).

In 1996 there were 45 million TEUs of containerized cargo, by 2018,
there was 160 million TEUs of containerized cargo annually.

Yes, much more comes from china now.

Comparing the late 1960's/70's to 2020 is not an apples to apples
comparision.

Yes, but its still true that most of the ships
between europe and asia go thru the suez canal.

(Figures above from "50 years of Review of Maritime Transport, 1968-2018"
United Nations Transport and Trade Facilitation Series No. 11)

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 22:21:41 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Half of the shipping in 1970 was Oil & Gas. By 2017 that had dropped
to 30% of all shipping (while growing substantially in volume).


Humm do you think that might have been a problem in the 70s?

On 03/29/2021 11:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

I saw a may showing both the canal and the trip around the horn. It
adds 9 1/2 days amd 3500 miles on average.

Plus the added adventure of shooting Somali pirates.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:54:36 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

... and moving a bunch of sand.

This is far from an unprecedented thing and the world survived. The
canal was closed by a couple of Egypt/Israel wars, once for 8 years.

Reopened after Egypt finally signed an agreement with Israel.

The one after the 6 day war had 15 ships trapped in the canal by
scuttled ships on each end for 8 years. After the 56 war it was closed
a year or so.

The war back in 1956 deeply involved the UK and France as much or more
than Israel. They had built the canal and they owned it, until Egypt
"nationalized" it, which I guess is a synonym for confiscate. Although
it says Egypt said it would pay investors the stock price . (Did they
actually do that? )

Eisenhower got the UK and France to withdraw by pressuring them, because
their participation was stronger than Israel's.

Israel had free use of the canal until Egypt took over in 1956, not
afterwards. But in negotiations that year, it finally got the Egyptians
to stop blocking the Straits of Tiran, which Egypt had since 1950. The
Straits led to the small harbor in Eilat. Eilat is much farther from
population centers than the harbors in Haifa and Ashdod. Israel was
much more agrarian then and didn't import or export much except fuel
oil.

Then in 1967, Egypt again blockaded the Straits of Tiran, a clear act of
war against Israel that led to the Six Day War about 2 weeks later.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/world...al-stuck-ship/

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:16:57 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Plus the added adventure of shooting Somali pirates.

Wow! You are the coolest American gossip I ever came across,
lowbrowwoman. BG

On 3/29/21 10:16 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/29/2021 11:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

Â*Â*Â*Â* A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs.Â* Wonder what the final bill will be.

I saw a may showing both the canal and the trip around the horn.Â* It
adds 9 1/2 days amd 3500 miles on average.

Plus the added adventure of shooting Somali pirates.


We can still use deadly force to protect our property on the seas but not on land.

How the hell did that happen?

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

Don't worry, we will all pay for it.

I saw a may showing both the canal and the trip around the horn. It
adds 9 1/2 days amd 3500 miles on average.



--
Tekkie

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:07:19 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

Don't worry, we will all pay for it.

$2.799 today for regular, I already am.

On 03/31/2021 02:07 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

Don't worry, we will all pay for it.

I read today where India is jumping into the fray. I don't know about
the captain but the crew was Indian.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2415

'The Mutiny of the Elsinore' is one of Jack London's lesser known books.
The socialists who claim London as one of their own would prefer it to
be completely forgotten. Let's just say London wasn't woke and the third
world crew gets treated harshly.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:58:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:07:19 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

Don't worry, we will all pay for it.

$2.799 today for regular, I already am.

Lee County? Looks like Costco is selling for $2.769.

In case pennies count.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:09:04 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


I read today

Oh, NO! Yet more senile blathering and driveling by the resident senile
gossip!

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 22:45:33 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:58:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:07:19 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:03:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 3/29/2021 11:49 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14484562/suez-canal-ship-refloated-freed/

A super moon helped.


And a bunch of tugs. Wonder what the final bill will be.

Don't worry, we will all pay for it.

$2.799 today for regular, I already am.

Lee County? Looks like Costco is selling for $2.769.

In case pennies count.

Not enough to drive 20 miles for a tank of gas. Besides I get 3 cents
off at Shell with a rewards card and I used a 20% off gift card from
Publix so Costco was quite a bit more.