With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?

On 3/28/2021 12:29 AM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


Years ago we made a part for the bus seats. They are designed for
impact and the seat backs are higher than your car.

There is also the possibility of kids turning the belts into weapons.

On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard
enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard
enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:25:38 +1100, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


But planes have a lot more pax.

Not as much as you got **** in your head, sociopath!

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pamela about Rodent Speed:
"His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..."
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On 3/28/2021 1:25 AM, %% wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always
wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials?* Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's
hard enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop them
2000 feet. Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway

On 3/28/21 9:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/28/2021 1:25 AM, %% wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message ...
On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials?* Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop them 2000 feet.* Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway


My neighbor drives a bus, an A320 I think.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/pass...20-family.html

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:21:55 -0400, Pinocchio Psaki
wrote:

On 3/28/21 9:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/28/2021 1:25 AM, %% wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message ...
On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials?Â* Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop them 2000 feet.Â* Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway


My neighbor drives a bus, an A320 I think.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/pass...20-family.html

Ah the plane that floats better than it flies.,

https://tinyurl.com/fxjrynr8

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 3/28/2021 1:25 AM, %% wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always
wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard
enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop them
2000 feet. Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway

Buses crash far more often.

On 3/28/2021 1:23 PM, %% wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message



The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's
hard enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover
with thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop
them 2000 feet.* Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway

Buses crash far more often.

Since you have that statistic please share the death rates too. It is
more meaningful that way.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:23:00 +1100, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop them
2000 feet. Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway

Buses crash far more often.

This is about school buses, you "argumentative asshole".

--
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"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:23:00 +1100, "%%" wrote:



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 3/28/2021 1:25 AM, %% wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always
wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard
enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Buses don't travel 500 mph and have air pockets that suddenly drop them
2000 feet. Nor do buses land at school at 130 mph in the driveway

Buses crash far more often.

Kids don't get killed that often. In fact they are more likely to get
run over by the bus or a (illegal) passing vehicle than to die in it.
OTOH school buses kill far more people unfortunate enough to get hit
by one. These things are tanks.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-ve...rs/school-bus/

On 03/27/2021 11:25 PM, %% wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always
wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's
hard enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

But planes have a lot more pax.

Apples and oranges. Afaik city buses do not have seat belts.

https://thenewswheel.com/7-reasons-w...ve-seat-belts/

Some states, like New York, require school buses to have seat belts;
they do not require the students to use them. Given the safety record of
school buses it's a hard sell.

The second reason is probably why there isn't more pressure to adopt
them. I've driven a school bus. It's hard enough to keep the kids from
carving on the seats, shining laser pointers in your mirrors, throwing
things, and fighting with each other less alone making sure they are
buckled in.

The drivers and bus companies want no part of it. Installing belts cost
money, which ultimately goes back to the schools when they renew their
transportation contracts. Given that most school districts have never
had a child injured or killed in a school bus, it doesn't look like a
good investment.

I don't see any grand conspiracy or lobbying involved.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:38:32 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Apples and oranges. Afaik city buses do not have seat belts.

https://thenewswheel.com/7-reasons-w...ve-seat-belts/

Some states, like New York, require school buses to have seat belts;
they do not require the students to use them. Given the safety record of
school buses it's a hard sell.

The second reason is probably why there isn't more pressure to adopt
them. I've driven a school bus...

Oh, no!

FLUSH quickly

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 06:11:38 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 03/27/2021 10:29 PM, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?


The first problem is getting the kids to wear the seat belts. It's hard
enough to keep them from destroying the bus.

Indeed. When I were a lad, the bus company used the oldest clapped out coaches they had. Which was fun when they broke down and we got a couple of hours off school.

One time the driver asked my friend who was getting on, "could I get some water". To the driver and everyone else already on the bus, it was obvious this meant for the radiator, as the bus was overheating. My friend brought a glass of water for him to drink. The driver threw it across the steaming hot radiator and said "I'm gonna need a bucket".

The real problem is what do you do in a bad wreck, say a rollover with
thirty or forty panicked kids hanging from their belts?

I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

On 03/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it
off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

In my case you reach for the handy Kabar clipped to the belt and cut it.

https://www.tomarskabars.com/Coll-Boot-Knife_INFO.html

I have the feeling that solution would be three kinds of illegal in
Britain. It might also discourage carjackers, but I don't tend to drive
through the areas where that is a popular sport.

On 03/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it
off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

One way is when the rescue unit comes and help you get out while still
alive. I'll take that chance over the ones that get tossed out of the
car and get killed.

Like this one
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/4-...rash-fhp-says/
A van carrying 11 people from out of state drifted off the road and
overturned. The roof of the van was ripped open during the crash and the
occupants were ejected.

There was one in CT couple of years ago the driver was ejected and
somehow got run over by his own pickup.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 03/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it
off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

One way is when the rescue unit comes and help you get out while still
alive.

You don't need a rescue unit with a properly designed seat belt.

In theory you can get tangled if you manage to drive into a river
lake or the sea but even then, you'd have to be very unlucky,
modern cars float for quite a while before they fill with water.

I'll take that chance over the ones that get tossed out of the
car and get killed.

Me too, tho with modern airbags even that's unlikely now.

Like this one
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/4-...rash-fhp-says/
A van carrying 11 people from out of state drifted off the road and
overturned. The roof of the van was ripped open during the crash and the
occupants were ejected.

There was one in CT couple of years ago the driver was ejected and somehow
got run over by his own pickup.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 22:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 03/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it
off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

One way is when the rescue unit comes and help you get out while still
alive. I'll take that chance over the ones that get tossed out of the
car and get killed.

Like this one
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/4-...rash-fhp-says/
A van carrying 11 people from out of state drifted off the road and
overturned. The roof of the van was ripped open during the crash and the
occupants were ejected.

There was one in CT couple of years ago the driver was ejected and
somehow got run over by his own pickup.
My uncle spent over half his life in a wheelchair after being hit by
a double cab Dodge truck in his VW beetle with no seat belts. He was
thrown out of the car and swears when he hit the road he had no more
than possibly a broken wrist - untill "that damned hitler wagon"
hunted him down and hit him, breaking his hip and his spine in 3
places.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 03:25:36 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 03/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it
off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

One way is when the rescue unit comes and help you get out while still
alive. I'll take that chance over the ones that get tossed out of the
car and get killed.

Like this one
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/4-...rash-fhp-says/
A van carrying 11 people from out of state drifted off the road and
overturned. The roof of the van was ripped open during the crash and the
occupants were ejected.

There was one in CT couple of years ago the driver was ejected and
somehow got run over by his own pickup.

And I've seen hundreds of videos of people being ejected away from the danger.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:18:23 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


In my case you reach for the handy Kabar clipped to the belt and cut it.

I see YOU reaching for the unwashed Scottish ******'s belt, every time you
want to suck him off again, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 02:18:23 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 03/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I'm an adult and don't wear one for that very reason, how do you get it
off you in a wreck where it's jamming you in?

In my case you reach for the handy Kabar clipped to the belt and cut it.

https://www.tomarskabars.com/Coll-Boot-Knife_INFO.html

I have the feeling that solution would be three kinds of illegal in
Britain. It might also discourage carjackers, but I don't tend to drive
through the areas where that is a popular sport.

My friend's a taxi driver, he legally is not required to wear one (in case a passenger behind him grabs the belt and strangles him). So he cut off a clicky thing from a car in the local junk yard and leaves it plugged in to stop the "ding!". My car only has a warning light, so I painted it over with gloss black paint.

I don't take precautions against unlikely things. Safety mechanisms are only needed if death is likely, like having a reserve parachute.

MikeJ wrote

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe
(mask mandate, auto crash standards, vaping
prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

My state in Oz is mandating them this year.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials?
Too much lobbying money against it?

More likely that its one of those things that come later.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 04:29:53 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?

Would you want to be the person to tell a bunch of kids to fasten
their seat belt?
If you think they would, you must be old.
They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking dope and having sex
on the bus.

wrote in
:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 04:29:53 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always
wondered why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too
much lobbying money against it?

Would you want to be the person to tell a bunch of kids to fasten
their seat belt?
If you think they would, you must be old.
They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking dope and having sex
on the bus.


You're a cynical wise ass.

On 3/29/21 1:04 AM, MikeJ wrote:
wrote in
:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 04:29:53 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate,
auto crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always
wondered why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too
much lobbying money against it?
Would you want to be the person to tell a bunch of kids to fasten
their seat belt?
If you think they would, you must be old.
They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking dope and having sex
on the bus.

You're a cynical wise ass.

But he's not wrong.

jimmy wrote in
news
On 3/29/21 1:04 AM, MikeJ wrote:
wrote in
:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 04:29:53 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask
mandate, auto crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance),
I've always wondered why seat belts aren't required on school
buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too
much lobbying money against it?
Would you want to be the person to tell a bunch of kids to fasten
their seat belt?
If you think they would, you must be old.
They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking dope and having
sex on the bus.

You're a cynical wise ass.

But he's not wrong.


His answer is wrong, and irrelevant. The reason there are not seatbelts
on school buses is *not* because the bus driver doesn't want to tell a
bunch of kids to buckle up, and it's *not* because the driver is too
busy trying to keep the kids from getting high or having sex on the bus.

Ed Pawlowski, and others, had the answer. I appreciated that.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:41:56 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

jimmy wrote in
news
On 3/29/21 1:04 AM, MikeJ wrote:
wrote in
:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 04:29:53 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask
mandate, auto crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance),
I've always wondered why seat belts aren't required on school
buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too
much lobbying money against it?
Would you want to be the person to tell a bunch of kids to fasten
their seat belt?
If you think they would, you must be old.
They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking dope and having
sex on the bus.

You're a cynical wise ass.

But he's not wrong.


His answer is wrong, and irrelevant. The reason there are not seatbelts
on school buses is *not* because the bus driver doesn't want to tell a
bunch of kids to buckle up, and it's *not* because the driver is too
busy trying to keep the kids from getting high or having sex on the bus.

Ed Pawlowski, and others, had the answer. I appreciated that.


There is more than one reason. Plenty of people will say "if we just
save one kid ..."

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:41:56 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ posted for all of us to
digest...


jimmy wrote in
news
On 3/29/21 1:04 AM, MikeJ wrote:
wrote in
:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 04:29:53 -0000 (UTC), MikeJ
wrote:

With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask
mandate, auto crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance),
I've always wondered why seat belts aren't required on school
buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too
much lobbying money against it?
Would you want to be the person to tell a bunch of kids to fasten
their seat belt?
If you think they would, you must be old.
They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking dope and having
sex on the bus.

You're a cynical wise ass.

But he's not wrong.


His answer is wrong, and irrelevant. The reason there are not seatbelts
on school buses is *not* because the bus driver doesn't want to tell a
bunch of kids to buckle up, and it's *not* because the driver is too
busy trying to keep the kids from getting high or having sex on the bus.

Ed Pawlowski, and others, had the answer. I appreciated that.

Hey Arlen!

--
Tekkie

On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 12:29:58 AM UTC-4, MikeJ wrote:
With all this talk about gov't. job is to keep us safe (mask mandate, auto
crash standards, vaping prohibitions, for instance), I've always wondered
why seat belts aren't required on school buses.

Could it be that there's nothing in it for elected officials? Too much
lobbying money against it?
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