Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases. Biden's people profess to be taking
all of the precautions and you don't really see them outside the
bubble much. Trump's people are just saying "****it" and not taking
any precautions that I see. they are everywhere. The whole gang was in
Ft Myers this afternoon. No I wasn't interested in even watching on
TV,wearing a mask or not.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:26:17 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases. Biden's people profess to be taking
all of the precautions and you don't really see them outside the
bubble much. Trump's people are just saying "****it" and not taking
any precautions that I see. they are everywhere. The whole gang was in
Ft Myers this afternoon. No I wasn't interested in even watching on
TV,wearing a mask or not.

You don't really have to wear a mask in order to watch Trump on TV,
although I understand the feeling.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:53:41 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:26:17 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases. Biden's people profess to be taking
all of the precautions and you don't really see them outside the
bubble much. Trump's people are just saying "****it" and not taking
any precautions that I see. they are everywhere. The whole gang was in
Ft Myers this afternoon. No I wasn't interested in even watching on
TV,wearing a mask or not.

You don't really have to wear a mask in order to watch Trump on TV,
although I understand the feeling.

You wear a mask to protect the TV from you, and the TV uses a mask to
protect you from it.

Unless you have a channel 95 mask. That ruins the tv reception.

On 10/16/2020 2:53 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
You don't really have to wear a mask in order to watch Trump on TV,
although I understand the feeling.

You don't NEED to wear a mask to live a normal life. Lot's of people
don't see any need to wear a mask, and we're fine.

--
Maggie

On 10/17/2020 8:34 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 10/16/2020 2:53 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
You don't really have to wear a mask in order to watch Trump on TV,
although I understand the feeling.

You don't NEED to wear a mask to live a normal life. Lot's of people
don't see any need to wear a mask, and we're fine.


Yes, you are correct. Unfortunately, this is not a normal life since
there is an easily transmittable virus traveling around.

I don't wear on at home, only when there is a danger of getting/giving a
deadly virus. It can save people from getting sick at places like the
White House, supermarket or a Trump death rally.

On 10/17/2020 5:34 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 10/16/2020 2:53 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
You don't really have to wear a mask in order to watch Trump on TV,
although I understand the feeling.

You don't NEED to wear a mask to live a normal life. Lot's of people
don't see any need to wear a mask, and we're fine.


And covid is blowing up all around you.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rus-cases.html

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 10/16/2020 2:53 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
You don't really have to wear a mask in order to watch Trump on TV,
although I understand the feeling.

You don't NEED to wear a mask to live a normal life. Lot's of people
don't see any need to wear a mask, and we're fine.

--
Maggie

Lots of people drive without wearing a seat belt, leave loaded guns lying
around a house with kids or drive while drunk. Just because
most of them don't wind up dead doesn't make any of that any less
dangerous or stupid.

On 10/16/2020 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases.

My point exactly.

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:26:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases. Biden's people profess to be taking
all of the precautions and you don't really see them outside the
bubble much. Trump's people are just saying "****it" and not taking
any precautions that I see. they are everywhere.

And we saw the results, thank you. We also have MN health officials tying
an outbreak of two dozen Covid cases back to attendance at one of Trump's
death rallies.

On 10/20/2020 10:41 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:26:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases. Biden's people profess to be taking
all of the precautions and you don't really see them outside the
bubble much. Trump's people are just saying "****it" and not taking
any precautions that I see. they are everywhere.

And we saw the results, thank you. We also have MN health officials tying
an outbreak of two dozen Covid cases back to attendance at one of Trump's
death rallies.

And significant association of the Sturgis rally with significant
increases in numerous states.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-rally-spread/

On 10/20/2020 3:43 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 10/20/2020 10:41 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:26:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:45:55 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 10/16/2020 7:02 AM, masktard wrote:

Since all Bidentards wear masks and their campaign staff has their own
mini epidemic going on, we can conclude that masks just don't work.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3540303.html



Let's see?

Kamala has 2 sick staff members who wore masks.

trump has dozens sick who did not wear masks.

Wow! Masks must really work.

Overly simplistic in both cases. Biden's people profess to be taking
all of the precautions and you don't really see them outside the
bubble much. Trump's people are just saying "****it" and not taking
any precautions that I see. they are everywhere.

And we saw the results, thank you.Â* We also have MN health officials tying
an outbreak of two dozen Covid cases back to attendance at one of Trump's
death rallies.

And significant association of the Sturgis rally with significant increases in numerous states.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-rally-spread/


President Trump got the Wuhan-19 and 3 days later he was back at work.Â* A lot like a cold or flu.Â* So much drama.

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...


Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 10:21:27 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
....

Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

That would not be proof, but evidence. Proofs are for math!

Dip****!

John Kuthe...

On 2020-10-17 20:28, John Kuthe wrote:
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 10:21:27 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
...

Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

That would not be proof, but evidence. Proofs are for math!

Dip****!

John Kuthe...



I other words, you toss you "opinion" around like it is
actual fact.

Next time PROVE IT. Use the scientific method,
not political correctness.

"T" wrote in message ...
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth
and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas
like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...


Bull ****.

Fact actually.

Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

On 2020-10-17 22:20, Fred wrote:


"T" wrote in message ...
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our
mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like
influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...


Bull ****.

Fact actually.

Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Hi Fred,

Thank you for actually doing it right. "Science
baby science", to quote Simon Pegg:

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were
highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI
statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask
arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07)
compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also
had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with
the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed
ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-
confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were
significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared
with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth
masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks
44%.

The key words a
Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost
97% and medical masks 44%.

The study shows clearly that neither one works. And
that the cloth ones are atrocious.

And at 44% or 97%, "you first!". 44% is way more that
is necessary to get infected. 97% is total bull ****.

I have a study that shows cloth masks cluster bombing
folks and aerosols going right through N95 masks. Would
you like to see either one or both?

By the way, I work for a guy that designed the N95.
He told me in no unequivocal terms that THEY ARE
NOT DESIGNED FOR VIRUSES.

-T

"T" wrote in message ...
On 2020-10-17 22:20, Fred wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth
and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like
influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...


Bull ****.

Fact actually.

Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Thank you for actually doing it right. "Science baby science", to quote
Simon Pegg:

Raina MacIntyre doesnt do baby science and
the BMJ doesnt publish baby science either.

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth
mask arm,

Because it wasnt ethical to have a no mask arm.

And
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ation/12759180
shows that the problem with the worse result with the
cloth mask item was only due to many hand washing
their cloth masks and that when they used a washing
machine, they were in fact as good as surgical masks.

with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth
mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with
the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of
ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI
(RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72,
95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group
compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by
particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

The key words a
Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost
97% and medical masks 44%.

Wrong.

The study shows clearly that neither one works.

Wrong again. Clearly surgical masks are better than no masks.

And that the cloth ones are atrocious.

And at 44% or 97%, "you first!". 44% is way more that is necessary to get
infected.

Must be why medical professionals wear them.

I have a study that shows cloth masks cluster bombing
folks and aerosols going right through N95 masks. Would you like to see
either one or both?

Nope, I have seen both steaming turds.

By the way, I work for a guy that designed the N95. He told me in no
unequivocal terms that THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR VIRUSES.

Irrelevant to surgical and cloth masks.

On 10/18/2020 2:22 AM, T wrote:
On 2020-10-17 22:20, Fred wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our
mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like
influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...


Bull ****.

Fact actually.

Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Hi Fred,

Thank you for actually doing it right.Â* "Science
baby science", to quote Simon Pegg:

Â*Â*Â*Â* Results The rates of all infection outcomes were
Â*Â*Â*Â* highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI
Â*Â*Â*Â* statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask
Â*Â*Â*Â* arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07)
Â*Â*Â*Â* compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also
Â*Â*Â*Â* had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with
Â*Â*Â*Â* the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed
Â*Â*Â*Â* ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-
Â*Â*Â*Â* confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were
Â*Â*Â*Â* significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared
Â*Â*Â*Â* with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth
Â*Â*Â*Â* masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks
Â*Â*Â*Â* 44%.

The key words a
Â*Â*Â*Â* Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost
Â*Â*Â*Â* 97% and medical masks 44%.

The study shows clearly that neither one works.Â* And
that the cloth ones are atrocious.

And at 44% or 97%, "you first!".Â* 44% is way more that
is necessary to get infected.Â* 97% is total bull ****.

I have a study that shows cloth masks cluster bombing
folks and aerosols going right through N95 masks.Â* Would
you like to see either one or both?

By the way, I work for a guy that designed the N95.
He told me in no unequivocal terms that THEY ARE
NOT DESIGNED FOR VIRUSES.

-T



It's just common sense that masks aren't going to prevent any viruses
from spreading.

--
Maggie

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 11:21:27 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

So we're going to randomly expose experimental subjects to masked and unmasked COVID-positive
spreaders, and then see which ones get the virus?

Somehow I can't see any ethics committee approving that research protocol.

Cindy Hamilton

On 10/18/2020 4:56 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 11:21:27 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

So we're going to randomly expose experimental subjects to masked and unmasked COVID-positive
spreaders, and then see which ones get the virus?

Somehow I can't see any ethics committee approving that research protocol.

Cindy Hamilton


It would not be legal. But it has proven masks work with animals.

On 2020-10-18 10:38, Bob F wrote:
ButÂ*itÂ*hasÂ*provenÂ*masksÂ*workÂ*withÂ*animals.

Cite comrade?

On 2020-10-18 04:56, wrote:
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 11:21:27 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

So we're going to randomly expose experimental subjects to masked and unmasked COVID-positive
spreaders, and then see which ones get the virus?

Somehow I can't see any ethics committee approving that research protocol.

Cindy Hamilton


Oh brother ...

1) the commie flu is not a death sentence. The
comorbidity is 94%. You just avoid those
individuals

2) there are other ways to test. It is done
all the time.

For example:

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical
masks in healthcare workers

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/


Stop "conforming" and start thinking for yourself.

On 10/18/2020 4:56 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 11:21:27 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-10-17 18:59, John Kuthe wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-5, masktard wrote:

Cloth masks help keep us from spraying moisture droplets out our mouth and nose. An N95 mask helps prevent the spread of viruses like influenzas like Covid 19 or Tuberculosis VIRUSES to/from ourselves.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Bull ****. Prove it with a randomized clinical trial.

So we're going to randomly expose experimental subjects to masked and unmasked COVID-positive
spreaders, and then see which ones get the virus?

Somehow I can't see any ethics committee approving that research protocol.

Cindy Hamilton


"Consumer masks could soon come with labels saying how well they work
But first, industry players must overcome fierce disagreements that have
resembled €˜cats and dogs fighting "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-coronavirus_2