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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
Hi all,
I'm working on the toilet plumbing that was installed right after the last ice age. :-) Below the toilet, I had a female cast iron hub with a 4" lead pipe inserted which came up to mate with the horn on the bottom of the toilet. The top of the lead pipe was pretty chewed up and would not make an air tight seal in the event of a stoppage and overflow. I decided to remove the lead pipe from the female cast iron and convert to 4" pvc with a conversion gasket. I've got the protruding lead pipe cut off but it appears that there is a steel sleeve holding the lead pipe in place in the 4" cast iron female. My recip saw with metal cutting blade won't even put a dent in it. How do I get this #$%^&^^ sleeve out? Perhaps some kinda "dent puller"??? Any suggestions really appreciated. |
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On 9/15/20 10:06 AM, G.B. Cricket wrote:
Hi all, I'm working on the toilet plumbing that was installed right after the last ice age. :-) Below the toilet, I had a female cast iron hub with a 4" lead pipe inserted which came up to mate with the horn on the bottom of the toilet. The top of the lead pipe was pretty chewed up and would not make an air tight seal in the event of a stoppage and overflow. I decided to remove the lead pipe from the female cast iron and convert to 4" pvc with a conversion gasket. I've got the protruding lead pipe cut off but it appears that there is a steel sleeve holding the lead pipe in place in the 4" cast iron female. My recip saw with metal cutting blade won't even put a dent in it. How do I get this #$%^&^^ sleeve out? Perhaps some kinda "dent puller"??? Any suggestions really appreciated. Cutoff wheel on angle grinder??????? |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:12:13 -0500, Dean Hoffman wrote:
Any suggestions really appreciated. Cutoff wheel on angle grinder??????? I'll bet that would work but my angle grinder is too large to fit. Do they rent a smaller angle grinder? |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On 9/15/20 12:04 PM, G.B. Cricket wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:12:13 -0500, Dean Hoffman wrote: Any suggestions really appreciated. Cutoff wheel on angle grinder??????? I'll bet that would work but my angle grinder is too large to fit. Do they rent a smaller angle grinder? Don't know. My thought was that you cut the whole pipe off from the outside then use something like a Dresser coupler to reconnect things. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Dresser-Couplings-25891000?utm_source=bingad&utm_medium=dsa&msclkid= a2e87255948711cc0a4a2d35620d6388 They look like the stuff above. I'm familiar with them because I worked with irrigation. There could be cheaper options. I didn't spend a lot of time looking. |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC), "G.B. Cricket"
wrote: Hi all, I'm working on the toilet plumbing that was installed right after the last ice age. :-) Below the toilet, I had a female cast iron hub with a 4" lead pipe inserted which came up to mate with the horn on the bottom of the toilet. The top of the lead pipe was pretty chewed up and would not make an air tight seal in the event of a stoppage and overflow. I decided to remove the lead pipe from the female cast iron and convert to 4" pvc with a conversion gasket. I've got the protruding lead pipe cut off but it appears that there is a steel sleeve holding the lead pipe in place in the 4" cast iron female. My recip saw with metal cutting blade won't even put a dent in it. How do I get this #$%^&^^ sleeve out? Perhaps some kinda "dent puller"??? Any suggestions really appreciated. That is solder. A big torch will melt it. If you do grind it, wear a respirator, not your N-0 mask. |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On 9/15/20 10:06 AM, G.B. Cricket wrote:
Hi all, I'm working on the toilet plumbing that was installed right after the last ice age. :-) Below the toilet, I had a female cast iron hub with a 4" lead pipe inserted which came up to mate with the horn on the bottom of the toilet. The top of the lead pipe was pretty chewed up and would not make an air tight seal in the event of a stoppage and overflow. I decided to remove the lead pipe from the female cast iron and convert to 4" pvc with a conversion gasket. I've got the protruding lead pipe cut off but it appears that there is a steel sleeve holding the lead pipe in place in the 4" cast iron female. My recip saw with metal cutting blade won't even put a dent in it. How do I get this #$%^&^^ sleeve out? Perhaps some kinda "dent puller"??? Any suggestions really appreciated. There are cheaper, PVC versions of the dresser couplers I suggested earlier. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Spears-S110-40-4-PVC-Sch-40-Compression-Coupling-PVC-White-Buna-N-Gasket?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIquiVve7r6wIVg8DACh0aCAf9E AQYBCABEgIDFvD_BwE There are some weird things about pipe sizing. The details escape me right now. Metal vs. pvc. I don't have any idea about inspections and such if required. |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 9/15/20 10:06 AM, G.B. Cricket wrote: Hi all, I'm working on the toilet plumbing that was installed right after the last ice age. :-) Below the toilet, I had a female cast iron hub with a 4" lead pipe inserted which came up to mate with the horn on the bottom of the toilet. The top of the lead pipe was pretty chewed up and would not make an air tight seal in the event of a stoppage and overflow. I decided to remove the lead pipe from the female cast iron and convert to 4" pvc with a conversion gasket. I've got the protruding lead pipe cut off but it appears that there is a steel sleeve holding the lead pipe in place in the 4" cast iron female. My recip saw with metal cutting blade won't even put a dent in it. How do I get this #$%^&^^ sleeve out? Perhaps some kinda "dent puller"??? Any suggestions really appreciated. There are cheaper, PVC versions of the dresser couplers I suggested earlier. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Spears-S110-40-4-PVC-Sch-40-Compression-Coupling-PVC-White-Buna-N-Gasket?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIquiVve7r6wIVg8DACh0aCAf9E AQYBCABEgIDFvD_BwE There are some weird things about pipe sizing. The details escape me right now. Metal vs. pvc. I don't have any idea about inspections and such if required. Start from the bottom. Ask local fire dept for a quick cut. Replace all. 5 minute job before your job. Been there. Fire dept likes practice if small town. I fernco'd my **** together. |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On 9/15/2020 1:21 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 9/15/20 12:04 PM, G.B. Cricket wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:12:13 -0500, Dean Hoffman wrote: Any suggestions really appreciated. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Cutoff wheel on angle grinder??????? I'll bet that would work but my angle grinder is too large to fit.Â* Do they rent a smaller angle grinder? Â*Â*Â*Â* Don't know.Â* My thought was that you cut the whole pipe off from the outside then use something like a Dresser coupler to reconnect things. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Dresser-Couplings-25891000?utm_source=bingad&utm_medium=dsa&msclkid= a2e87255948711cc0a4a2d35620d6388 Â*Â* They look like the stuff above.Â*Â* I'm familiar with them because I worked with irrigation.Â*Â* There could be cheaper options.Â* I didn't spend a lot of time looking. In my previous house I wanted to use one of those offset flanges on a toilet to move it over 2". Yeah, for 2" I did all this! But, it was a very small 2 piece room and every inch was important. The floor was concrete. I used my router, believe it or not, with a small cut-off wheel attached via an extension. I had to slow the router considerably using an external speed controller ... I think I borrowed a variac from work to do it. Cutting the cast iron wasn't the hard part here. Breaking the concrete was. I had to go out and rent a jack hammer to do it. Sucess! |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:06:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
That is solder. A big torch will melt it. If you do grind it, wear a respirator, not your N-0 mask. I'm thinking it must be a cast iron ring as my recip saw will not even put a scratch on it. I put a 90 head on my dremel and I was snapping cut- off wheels in a matter of seconds. Still no marks on the sleeve. The torch comes next. Or maybe I need to follow others that say get a quick cut from the fire dept ..... |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:59:52 -0400, Todesco wrote:
In my previous house I wanted to use one of those offset flanges on a toilet to move it over 2". Yeah, for 2" I did all this! But, it was a very small 2 piece room and every inch was important. The floor was concrete. I used my router, believe it or not, with a small cut-off wheel attached via an extension. I had to slow the router considerably using an external speed controller ... I think I borrowed a variac from work to do it. Cutting the cast iron wasn't the hard part here. Breaking the concrete was. I had to go out and rent a jack hammer to do it. Sucess! Finally bought a Bauer SDS hammer-drill from harbor freight and a chisel- cut blade. I put the hammer-drill on "hammer only" and brought the chisel blade to position on on top of the insert inside the lead pipe. The insert turned out to be cast iron (about 1/16" thick) and the hammer cracked it out in less than a minute. At this point, removed the remains of the lead pipe, dug out the cast lead and oakum (that had surrounded the lead pipe) and installed a 4" pvc conversion gasket. Note: I could not insert the 4" lubricated pvc pipe into the gasket until I finally used a 8 pound dead-blow hammer. A normal hammer simply would not sink the pvc pipe into the gasket. Thanks everyone for the ideas. |
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mind bender -- 4" cast iron female hub, lead 4" pipe
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC), G.B. Cricket posted for all of us to digest... Hi all, I'm working on the toilet plumbing that was installed right after the last ice age. :-) Below the toilet, I had a female cast iron hub with a 4" lead pipe inserted which came up to mate with the horn on the bottom of the toilet. The top of the lead pipe was pretty chewed up and would not make an air tight seal in the event of a stoppage and overflow. I decided to remove the lead pipe from the female cast iron and convert to 4" pvc with a conversion gasket. I've got the protruding lead pipe cut off but it appears that there is a steel sleeve holding the lead pipe in place in the 4" cast iron female. My recip saw with metal cutting blade won't even put a dent in it. How do I get this #$%^&^^ sleeve out? Perhaps some kinda "dent puller"??? Any suggestions really appreciated. I think I saw what you are talking about on a U Tube channel called BobsPlumbing (something or other) he is from New York and I saw it one of his vids. Try emailing him IIRC he answers them. I cannot recall if he removed the sleeve or not. Sorry I can't be more of a help but it's a lead.. Oh yeah he still uses lead bends because that is the only thing that will fit in old houses. -- Tekkie |
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