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My mechanic likes to use Castrol extended and change oil every 5000 miles. I have alway s used Pennzoil 10/30 and changed oil every 3000 miles. which one is right? Or both of us right? Whaddaya think guys?
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On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. |
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On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote:
Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html |
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My mechanic likes to use Castrol extended and change oil every 5000 miles. I have alway s used Pennzoil 10/30 and changed oil every 3000 miles. which one is right? Neither depending on what sort of vehicle it is, where you are and how you use that vehicle and what the manufacturer recommends oil change wise and how old the vehicle is. Or both of us right? Whaddaya think guys? I gave up thinking, it just makes my head hurt. |
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On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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On 6/16/2019 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html I've heard/read similar stories about engine mileage being extended to 10,000 or more without issues. Many experts also note that the old 3000 mileage change habit is wasting money. |
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On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. |
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On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â*Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? -- |
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"Meanie" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2019 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html I've heard/read similar stories about engine mileage being extended to 10,000 or more without issues. In fact 10K is the manufacturer recommendation with my Hyundai Getz. Many experts also note that the old 3000 mileage change habit is wasting money. Corse it is. |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: In fact 10K is the manufacturer recommendation with my Hyundai Getz. Nobody was talking to you, you lonely senile pest! -- Marland's answer to senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak": "That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******." Message-ID: |
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:48:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: "Meanie" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2019 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html I've heard/read similar stories about engine mileage being extended to 10,000 or more without issues. In fact 10K is the manufacturer recommendation with my Hyundai Getz. 12,000 km / 7500 miles / 6 months per my Kia manual. I usually go ~ 9000 km. ... it's time to add and the oil is looking dirty. With my several old Taurus 3 litre cars - I'd change the oil a little earlier than the manual recommendation ~ 7000 km and it would still look new - not darkened. John T. |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:28:36 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â*Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? Oil related engine failures are so rare it would be hard to really make any kind of comparison. I know people, mostly single mom types, who never change their oil and they end up throwing the car away for things other than an engine failure. The oil looks like tar but it still seems to be working. |
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On 6/16/2019 2:28 PM, dpb wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â*Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? -- None and I highly doubt a filter will cause major damage to an engine. The exception is installing the wrong size filter and it comes off while driving, thus, all oil poured out and the engine seized. Yes, I know someone who had it happen. |
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On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â*Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. Â* Well , I can't think of a less biased group than a bunch of Harley riders - virtually all of them/us wrench on our own bikes - deciding "what's best for my ride" ... -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 08:24:53 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 6/16/2019 7:58 AM, wrote: My mechanic likes to use Castrol extended and change oil every 5000 miles. I have alway s used Pennzoil 10/30 and changed oil every 3000 miles. which one is right? Or both of us right? Whaddaya think guys? Follow manufacturer's recommendations. If you use penzoil, change every 3000. Same with Quaker State. Using a more highly refined oil with less parafins (Like Castrol GTX) go 5000. Or use synthetic and go 10,000. Really - it's not just mileage - it's how the miles are put on - short trips, high temperaturs, al kinds of things come into play. |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 10:56:22 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... My mechanic likes to use Castrol extended and change oil every 5000 miles. I have alway s used Pennzoil 10/30 and changed oil every 3000 miles. which one is right? Or both of us right? Whaddaya think guys? Follow the makers recommendations. I had a 1990 Camery and I think the change was at 7500 miles. With the way I drive (mostly to work 15miles each way) I put close to enough miles on the car I changed it twice a year. Once at the anual state inspection and once 6 months later. Put 190,000 miles on it before getting a new car. Had no engine problems. If you live in an area with dirt roads, drive only a mile or two each time, or put the car to hard use , then the 3000 might be ok, but for normal use I would go to atleast 5000 and maybe more if the manual says so. I don't put many miles on the cars now,so it is once a year when I get it inspected that I have the oil and filter changed. I only had 3500 on one car last year but had it serviced and oil changed. My recommendation to my customers when Iwas in the business was to follow the "severe service" schedule as better than90% of noth american driving meets 1 or more of the conditions called out for severe service. |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:00:13 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 05:58:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote: My mechanic likes to use Castrol extended and change oil every 5000 miles. I have alway s used Pennzoil 10/30 and changed oil every 3000 miles. which one is right? Or both of us right? Whaddaya think guys? I think you are wasting oil. 3000 miles is far too frequent. When was the last time you heard about an oil related engine failure, even with people who run the same oil for a couple of years? Yiou haven't been reading the automotive press - pbviously. EVERY ONE of the "coking" failures, whether Chrysler, VW, Toyota, or who-ever is a "lubrication related failure" - and virtually NONE of them occured on a vehicle following the "severe service" oil change specification. |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 11:28:26 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html A single oil analysis means NOTHING. You need to do them at regular intervals to determine trends. When does metal contamination start to accellerate? What about acid levels?. As soon as you find out where the metal contaminatio nstarts you know the oil SHOULD have been changed earlier. Same with the acids, and other "bad" stuff. Once you have the trends you adjust your changes accordingly and reduce your monitoring to the later stages. |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 14:17:43 -0400, Meanie wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html I've heard/read similar stories about engine mileage being extended to 10,000 or more without issues. Many experts also note that the old 3000 mileage change habit is wasting money. Not nearly as muchas going 10000 when you SHOULD have changed it at 3 - and you end up replacing or rebuilding an engine -- - - Gasoline and oil are the 2 cheapest things you will put into your engine - - - - - - |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:48:16 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: "Meanie" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2019 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html I've heard/read similar stories about engine mileage being extended to 10,000 or more without issues. In fact 10K is the manufacturer recommendation with my Hyundai Getz. 12,000 km / 7500 miles / 6 months per my Kia manual. I usually go ~ 9000 km. ... it's time to add and the oil is looking dirty. I didn't bother for 30K With my several old Taurus 3 litre cars - I'd change the oil a little earlier than the manual recommendation ~ 7000 km and it would still look new - not darkened. With my 73 Golf, I never bothered to change it at all in 45 years. |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:28:36 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. ** Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? The only REAL problem with some filters is the filtration media "splits" or comes loose from the endcaps - or drainback valves leak or come apart - or cans leak - or the "base gaskets" don't properly seal against the mount so they ALWAYS leak. There ARE better quality filters than the base fram orange can filters - the extraguard and synthetic Fram's being 2 of several. There may be getter filters available than a WIX - but not many applications where the "better" filter would have any effect under normal use. I'm going back to using Frams on my 13 year old Ranger with 368000km on it - with synthetic oil changed twice a year. The oil AND filter are still "clean" at these intervals (works out to about 6000km per change) so why do I need anything "better"?? |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:28:36 -0500, dpb wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? Oil related engine failures are so rare it would be hard to really make any kind of comparison. Yeah, the mechanic who did the rego check did say that someone had blown up their Getz engine that way but it wasnt clear if that was just running out of oil completely. I did find mine had an odd clicking noise at idle at 3OK with no oil or filter change that went away with an oil and filter change. Didnt bother to check if it was the oil or the filter. I know people, mostly single mom types, who never change their oil and they end up throwing the car away for things other than an engine failure. I did that with my 73 Golf. Still have it but stopped using it when the known windscreen leak produced a rusted floor that meant it could no longer be registered and I couldnt be arsed fixing it after 45 years. The oil looks like tar Mine didnt, but the Golf did use some oil. but it still seems to be working. Yeah, mine was working fine, no smoky exhaust or anything. |
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On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 2:28:41 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â*Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? -- Same question as to changing oil at 3,000 vs 5,000. I didn't think any new cars were less than 5K today. I'd like to see any studies that show 3K vs 5K or similar has any real effect on any engine problems in the typical life of a car. Meaning, if you have a car, change the oil every 5K, get rid of it at 150K is there any evidence that a failure occurred that would not have if you changed it at 3K? Or even if you keep the car to 250K, does it really make a difference or is it just money down the train to change it more often? |
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On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 12:05:02 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/16/2019 8:58 AM, wrote: Castrol extended and change oil Synthetic oils allow for twice the mileage between oil changes. My new car uses it and change interval in the manual is 6,000 miles or every 6 months. The Castrol is synthetic and the Pennzoil is not so you are both right except the mechanic has shortened the synthetic period. Mechanics and service centers are looking for business and it is best to tell them to follow the service manual. Doesn't sound like 2x to me. Cars were at 5K intervals with regular oil. Even BMW went to 15K with synthetic, thought they must have seen some problems because they backed off to 10K. If you only get 6K on synthetic, something doesn't sound right. |
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On 6/16/2019 5:06 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 2:28:41 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:24 PM, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:42 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 6/16/2019 12:12 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:31 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: I also use Wix filters , best filter on the market IMO . I use either NAPA Gold or Wix depending on where I buy the filter. I've been told Wix makes the NAPA filter. My preference has a lot to do with the threading. The base of Wix filters is punched and threaded into the body of the filter and I find it easier to start than the brands that are punched outward, if that makes any sense. Â*Â* Makes sense to me . In fact , Wix makes NAPA Gold filters . IIRC the Wix number for your Evo (and some Shovelheads) is a 51215 , the NAPA Gold is 1215 . Back around 1999 or so some guys on the XL-List cut up a bunch of filters to see how they compared . Fram was the cheesiest with the least and thinnest filtration medium . Wix won over all , and I haven't used anything else since . Throughout the years, I have often seen comparison videos of oil filters and Fram continuously ends up at the bottom. Wix, Mobile 1, Bosch, Purolater usually on top as well as a few others depending who's doing the test and what model filter. But have you ever seen any actual performance tests that indicate the visual comparisons have any relevance to actual filtration performance and resultant demonstrably better engine performance in terms of fewer oil contamination or other failures even remotely that could be demonstrated as owing to the filter? -- Same question as to changing oil at 3,000 vs 5,000. I didn't think any new cars were less than 5K today. I'd like to see any studies that show 3K vs 5K or similar has any real effect on any engine problems in the typical life of a car. Meaning, if you have a car, change the oil every 5K, get rid of it at 150K is there any evidence that a failure occurred that would not have if you changed it at 3K? Or even if you keep the car to 250K, does it really make a difference or is it just money down the train to change it more often? My car is 7500 miles for normal driving. The warranty is for 100,000 miles. They would not offer the warranty if they did not think it would make it that far. I imagine testing of some sort was done to conclude that https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...st-that-claim/ |
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"Clare Snyder" wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 14:17:43 -0400, Meanie wrote: On 6/16/2019 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote: On 06/16/2019 07:41 AM, Meanie wrote: Today's engines are well designed to drive farther than the 3000 mile change, especially if using synthetic blends. Though, you didn't provide vehicle info, I'll guess it as within 10 years old and the 5000 mile change will not hurt it, thus, the 3000 surely won't hurt either. You're just spending more money. It is recommended to follow the manufacturers guide in the manual. I get the maintenance light every 5000 miles and change the oil then. I was on vacation so I'm over this time but it will live. It's a different animal but when a company I worked for went to Detroit 60 diesels they also started to do oil analysis. The protocol had been 12000 miles for oil and filters but it was lengthened to 20000. The shop manager said they still weren't seeing significant degradation at 20000 but they needed to set some figure. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/ Some airport FBO's can send a sample to a lab or you can get a kit from some places: https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintena...lling-you.html I've heard/read similar stories about engine mileage being extended to 10,000 or more without issues. Many experts also note that the old 3000 mileage change habit is wasting money. Not nearly as muchas going 10000 when you SHOULD have changed it at 3 - and you end up replacing or rebuilding an engine -- - - Gasoline and oil are the 2 cheapest things you will put into your engine - - - - - - Not with modern engines that require nothing else before you replace the car for other reasons. |
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On 06/16/2019 02:50 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
Gasoline and oil are the 2 cheapest things you will put into your engine - - - - - - That's been my theory. |
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