Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...

--

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...

--

What's ugly? If you can run another cable into an existing box for
a receptacle or switch to tap in,
it still looks like it used to. If you need to put in a new one,
usually you can do that in the basement or attic.

On 6/15/2019 12:45 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...

--

What's ugly? If you can run another cable into an existing box for
a receptacle or switch to tap in,
it still looks like it used to. If you need to put in a new one,
usually you can do that in the basement or attic.

As noted, the new box will be in the closet wall (not covered up, no);
and yes, from outside it all looks the same...just that a mess of
wire-nut connections inside the box is, well, still a mess...

But, expedient and typical, granted...just thinking of something
slightly "more neater" would be nice and be able to label circuits for
future reference simply as well.

Can be done routinely as you describe of course and is in compliance by
Code granted...

--

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...
What do you expect with "butt connectors"?

On 6/15/2019 12:51 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...
What do you expect with "butt connectors"?
Chuckles...

Clare Snyder posted for all of us...



On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...
What do you expect with "butt connectors"?

Oh boy, you are on a roll.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:16:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Clare Snyder posted for all of us...



On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...
What do you expect with "butt connectors"?

Oh boy, you are on a roll.
What can I say? When you're hot, you're HOT!!!!

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...

You can use the euro style terminal blocks. Just be sure to get the
U/L, ETL or TUV listed ones (CE doesn't count).
https://tinyurl.com/y34b4lm8
They can be a long strip of these.

For the grounds you can use a regular bus bar like you see in panels.
That can make a very neat installation. I did it when I replaced my
service panel to extend the wires that were too short. It avoided
that jumble of wire nuts you are talking about.

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:31:12 -0400, wrote:
SNIPP

You can use the euro style terminal blocks. Just be sure to get the
U/L, ETL or TUV listed ones (CE doesn't count).
https://tinyurl.com/y34b4lm8
They can be a long strip of these.

BUTT - can I use them with Aluminum wire?

Molex has ones listed for both copper and aluminum at:
https://www.molex.com/molex/products...Int roduction

For the grounds you can use a regular bus bar like you see in panels.
That can make a very neat installation. I did it when I replaced my
service panel to extend the wires that were too short. It avoided
that jumble of wire nuts you are talking about.
May have to get a few of those stripos to extend the neutrals fo
install arcfault breakers - - -

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 15:34:25 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:31:12 -0400, wrote:
SNIPP

You can use the euro style terminal blocks. Just be sure to get the
U/L, ETL or TUV listed ones (CE doesn't count).
https://tinyurl.com/y34b4lm8
They can be a long strip of these.

BUTT - can I use them with Aluminum wire?

Molex has ones listed for both copper and aluminum at:
https://www.molex.com/molex/products...Int roduction

For the grounds you can use a regular bus bar like you see in panels.
That can make a very neat installation. I did it when I replaced my
service panel to extend the wires that were too short. It avoided
that jumble of wire nuts you are talking about.
May have to get a few of those stripos to extend the neutrals fo
install arcfault breakers - - -

You have to separate neutrals anyway down stream of the bus bar in the
panel. You are not allowed to bundle neutrals from different circuits
although I have seen it done. It does get a tag from me.
Those big kludge ceiling boxes are the worst offenders. That is also
where most AFCI problems occur.

On 6/15/2019 2:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:31:12 -0400, wrote:
SNIPP

You can use the euro style terminal blocks. Just be sure to get the
U/L, ETL or TUV listed ones (CE doesn't count).
https://tinyurl.com/y34b4lm8
They can be a long strip of these.

BUTT - can I use them with Aluminum wire?

Molex has ones listed for both copper and aluminum at:
https://www.molex.com/molex/products...Int roduction

For the grounds you can use a regular bus bar like you see in panels.
That can make a very neat installation. I did it when I replaced my
service panel to extend the wires that were too short. It avoided
that jumble of wire nuts you are talking about.
May have to get a few of those stripos to extend the neutrals fo
install arcfault breakers - - -

Those do have to have rail mounting system which is neat but overkill
for this even by my standards...

I'd pair each cable 2/3 wire and use common ground bus as gfretwell noted.

Breakers are in main panel and aren't changing -- have enough circuits
and it's old work retrofit so I'm not going to change anything but make
the wires longer to reach their new homes...

--

On 6/15/2019 1:31 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...

You can use the euro style terminal blocks. Just be sure to get the
U/L, ETL or TUV listed ones (CE doesn't count).
https://tinyurl.com/y34b4lm8
They can be a long strip of these.

For the grounds you can use a regular bus bar like you see in panels.
That can make a very neat installation. I did it when I replaced my
service panel to extend the wires that were too short. It avoided
that jumble of wire nuts you are talking about.

Yeah, that's the sort of thing...thought perhaps some who had done more
recent work of the sort than I have might have seen or know of a "for
purpose" panel.

I'll see what I can find at the local distributor's Monday...I thought I
still had enough of the cabinet terminations used at the power plants
but that stash seems to have been with the box of stuff that
"disappeared" while I wasn't in the office one spell while in the moving
process -- it included most of my small toolkit for setup of data acq
systems including a good Fluke meter.
--

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:35:53 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 1:31 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 11:59 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:22:44 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
Redoing entryway to old house...the new wiring will be just all the
previous electrical circuits only we've widened the entry by a couple
feet so will be short just a little.

It would be a very big deal to have to try to re-pull all the way from
the panel so my idea is to put a box in the closet for the splices.

Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose
rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is) and one 4-way for dining room.

B) light switch to closet

C) power feeds to A) and B)

Can run all new runs from those new switches to fixtures, of course,
it's only the extensions to them that needs connection to the feeds...

For construction, pulled everything out of boxes leaving hooked up so
and just wrapped up well and hid in the wall cavity of main structure
until get new construction under roof and can open up to the main house
again...that could be as early as late next week if weather cooperates.

--

Typically you just add on to the existing circuit by joining the wires
in typical receptacle or switch boxes. Or you can just add a new box
for a splice, use wire nuts, as long as it's accessible.

Yeah, but it's butt ugly...

You can use the euro style terminal blocks. Just be sure to get the
U/L, ETL or TUV listed ones (CE doesn't count).
https://tinyurl.com/y34b4lm8
They can be a long strip of these.

For the grounds you can use a regular bus bar like you see in panels.
That can make a very neat installation. I did it when I replaced my
service panel to extend the wires that were too short. It avoided
that jumble of wire nuts you are talking about.

Yeah, that's the sort of thing...thought perhaps some who had done more
recent work of the sort than I have might have seen or know of a "for
purpose" panel.

I'll see what I can find at the local distributor's Monday...I thought I
still had enough of the cabinet terminations used at the power plants
but that stash seems to have been with the box of stuff that
"disappeared" while I wasn't in the office one spell while in the moving
process -- it included most of my small toolkit for setup of data acq
systems including a good Fluke meter.

You usually end up with a bigger box when you use those terminal
strips, just for working space but they are a lot neater.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:22:32 -0500, dpb
wrote:


Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose

Not afaik. Just remember when you go to the new house of your richest
neighbor: He has lot s of wires connected with wirenuts in his junction
boxes too. You just don't see them, and you and he won't see yours
either.


rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is)

You're saying you have 3 places you can turn the entry light on or off,
and you want to reduce that to 2 places. How about just don't use the
third place. Maybe some day you'll change your mind or the next owner
will want to use it and be glad it's there.

and one 4-way for dining room.

You want 3 places to turn the dining room lights on and off. Do you
have 3 entrances to the dining room? Oh, you want one by the entry door,
so you can turn many lights on from one location. That's fine, but
makes it even stranger to me that you want to get rid of one location
for the dining room lights.

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 19:03:22 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:22:32 -0500, dpb
wrote:


Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose

Not afaik. Just remember when you go to the new house of your richest
neighbor: He has lot s of wires connected with wirenuts in his junction
boxes too. You just don't see them, and you and he won't see yours
either.


rather than just a bunch of loose connections? My quick search didn't
really find what I was thinking of. Could always mount a couple of bars
in a box to make one...

For thinking about, the end result is:

A) one ganged set of four switches by the entry door -- one 4-way for
yard light, one for porch light, one for the entry (hoping can figure
out way to turn this into 3-way w/o needing another run from main--if
not it'll just stay as is)

You're saying you have 3 places you can turn the entry light on or off,
and you want to reduce that to 2 places. How about just don't use the
third place. Maybe some day you'll change your mind or the next owner
will want to use it and be glad it's there.

and one 4-way for dining room.

You want 3 places to turn the dining room lights on and off. Do you
have 3 entrances to the dining room? Oh, you want one by the entry door,
so you can turn many lights on from one location. That's fine, but
makes it even stranger to me that you want to get rid of one location
for the dining room lights.
Situations like that are what low voltage control systems were made
for - Remote control.

On 6/15/2019 7:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 19:03:22 -0400, micky
wrote:
....

You want 3 places to turn the dining room lights on and off. Do you
have 3 entrances to the dining room? Oh, you want one by the entry door,
so you can turn many lights on from one location. That's fine, but
makes it even stranger to me that you want to get rid of one location
for the dining room lights.
Situations like that are what low voltage control systems were made
for - Remote control.

Not so much in 1914...

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On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 20:25:25 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 7:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 19:03:22 -0400, micky
wrote:
...

You want 3 places to turn the dining room lights on and off. Do you
have 3 entrances to the dining room? Oh, you want one by the entry door,
so you can turn many lights on from one location. That's fine, but
makes it even stranger to me that you want to get rid of one location
for the dining room lights.
Situations like that are what low voltage control systems were made
for - Remote control.

Not so much in 1914...
There were actually remote actuated switches back then too - and they
were "wireless" - but not "cordless" - a series of strings and pullies
with a "rocker" that actuated the push-buttons.

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:45:35 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 20:25:25 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/15/2019 7:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 19:03:22 -0400, micky
wrote:
...

You want 3 places to turn the dining room lights on and off. Do you
have 3 entrances to the dining room? Oh, you want one by the entry door,
so you can turn many lights on from one location. That's fine, but
makes it even stranger to me that you want to get rid of one location
for the dining room lights.
Situations like that are what low voltage control systems were made
for - Remote control.

Not so much in 1914...
There were actually remote actuated switches back then too - and they
were "wireless" - but not "cordless" - a series of strings and pullies
with a "rocker" that actuated the push-buttons.

There are also relay based low voltage systems that have been around
for well over a half a century.

IBM used these RR7 system relays when they built the Gaithersburg
complex in the early 60s.
The relay sticks in a 1/2" KO with the switch part in the box and the
low voltage coil outside. They are latching relays so one wire turns
it on and one turns it off with no limit to the number of low voltage
switching locations.
https://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server3900/wlejmk/products/1128/images/16368/ge-relay-solenoid-rr7__46679.1481834496.310.310.jpg?c=2

On 6/15/2019 6:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:22:32 -0500, dpb
wrote:


Question is, is there a box w/ just landing terminals for the purpose

Not afaik. Just remember when you go to the new house of your richest
neighbor: He has lot s of wires connected with wirenuts in his junction
boxes too. You just don't see them, and you and he won't see yours
either.

Doesn't mean I won't know they're there, though, and for a little extra
effort, they don't have to be. I don't care what's in the neighbor's--I
didn't wire it and it isn't mine.

....

You're saying you have 3 places you can turn the entry light on or off,
and you want to reduce that to 2 places. How about just don't use the
third place. Maybe some day you'll change your mind or the next owner
will want to use it and be glad it's there.
....

Backwards...there's one place for the entry; idea is to turn it into at
least two if can manage it without having to run another feed...think
can but didn't sketch out what Dad actually ran while moving stuff to
get out of way for the demolition--will have to wait until we can open
up that wall again and dig stuff back out to figure that out--may be
missing a three-wire run that would need back to the feed in which case
it's likely not going to happen as I think how the run was pulled
requires a major hack to get back into that I'm just not wanting to deal
with if so.

And, actually, there are four places one can enter/exit the dining room
but only three have switches. A lower priority would be to rectify
that, but the missing location is on a different wall and not scheduled
for demolition so most likely will end up just staying that way. Not
sure why Dad didn't do it as well when redid the house back in late 70s
but it is only a couple steps from the nearest other so probably just
thought "close enough".

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In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:22:32 -0500, dpb
wrote:
....

You're saying you have 3 places you can turn the entry light on or off,
and you want to reduce that to 2 places. How about just don't use the
third place. Maybe some day you'll change your mind or the next owner
will want to use it and be glad it's there.

No...you misread. There's only one place to turn the entry light
on/off...at the exterior door. You can turn the DR light on from there
and at the same time then turn the entry off if going on in, but if you
walk on in first, then you must bactrack. The ideal would be to add the
second location but that'll have to have a 3-wire run and not sure it's
there (see other note for more on that).

and one 4-way for dining room.

You want 3 places to turn the dining room lights on and off. Do you
have 3 entrances to the dining room? Oh, you want one by the entry door,
so you can turn many lights on from one location. That's fine, but
makes it even stranger to me that you want to get rid of one location
for the dining room lights.

Already have three...if anything I'd add a fourth because there are
actually four entrances to the DR and the one to the kitchen is missing
a switch.