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Freezers - still using shit insulation?
I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense?
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Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote:
I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running?* It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago.* Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? FFS belt up for one night of the year. -- Adam |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
In ARW writes:
On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running?* It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago.* Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? FFS belt up for one night of the year. The original poster really doesn't have a clue, amirite? -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:34:50 -0000, danny burstein wrote:
In ARW writes: On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? FFS belt up for one night of the year. The original poster really doesn't have a clue, amirite? It's a perfectly valid question, why are we still using equipment that needs running so often? |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:12:25 -0000, ARW wrote:
On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? FFS belt up for one night of the year. Well you could show off your knowledge and explain.... |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-5, William Gothberg wrote:
I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? Why not? You have **** for brains, so why can't a fridge have **** insulation? |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
"William Gothberg" wrote in message ... I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? Something has died, either the thermostat or what reads it or the connection between them most likely. Or the refrigerant has leaked out. It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. The duty cycle doesn't necessarily change with the better insulation. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Yes, and they do. Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? Nope, in fact they demanded better insulation. |
Troll-feeding Senile YANKIETARD Alert!
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 14:10:06 -0800 (PST), tardo_4 an especially stupid,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Why not? You have **** for brains, so why can't a fridge have **** insulation? Come on, he ONLY wanted to get sucked off by you again, tardo_4! |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 22:10:06 -0000, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-5, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? Why not? You have **** for brains, so why can't a fridge have **** insulation? Invalid correlation. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 22:11:36 -0000, wrote:
On Monday, 31 December 2018 21:12:26 UTC, ARW wrote: On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote: FFS belt up for one night of the year. if no-one responded he would. Then why did you? |
More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rot Speed!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 09:21:54 +1100, dkol, better known as cantankerous
nym-shifting trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote: FLUSH the two sick troll's usual troll**** -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:34:50 -0000, danny burstein wrote:
In ARW writes: On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? FFS belt up for one night of the year. The original poster really doesn't have a clue, amirite? I eventually found a site that dared to shame the bad ones - including what you'd think would be good, Bosch and Whirlpool. Apparently running costs on new ones sold today are between 5p/litre and 19p/litre. Seriously, why haven't they stopped making inefficient crap? That's almost a factor of four!! |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 12/31/18 4:07 PM, William Gothberg wrote:
I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running?* It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago.* Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays?* Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? The really high R-value foams are much more expensive...which adds cost to the unit. And some of the high-performance foam out-gasses which upsets the environmental whackos. Truth be told, most people ignore the Energy Guide label and just buy the shiny stainless steel model. Energy Star? What's that? |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 00:05:09 -0000, Roger Wilco wrote:
On 12/31/18 4:07 PM, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? The really high R-value foams are much more expensive...which adds cost to the unit. And some of the high-performance foam out-gasses which upsets the environmental whackos. Truth be told, most people ignore the Energy Guide label and just buy the shiny stainless steel model. Energy Star? What's that? Maybe if the energy guide label had actual numbers people would take notice. A to G is not useful. But 50kWh per year is, people can quickly establish how much it will save them per year, and if it's worth buying the more expensive model. When you buy a car, it doesn't have a rating from A to G, it has miles per gallon, so you can work out how much petrol it will cost you. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 7:35:36 PM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 00:05:09 -0000, Roger Wilco wrote: On 12/31/18 4:07 PM, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? The really high R-value foams are much more expensive...which adds cost to the unit. And some of the high-performance foam out-gasses which upsets the environmental whackos. Truth be told, most people ignore the Energy Guide label and just buy the shiny stainless steel model. Energy Star? What's that? Maybe if the energy guide label had actual numbers people would take notice. A to G is not useful. But 50kWh per year is, people can quickly establish how much it will save them per year, and if it's worth buying the more expensive model. When you buy a car, it doesn't have a rating from A to G, it has miles per gallon, so you can work out how much petrol it will cost you. HEre in the US the label shows the estimate of what it costs per year to run, assuming electric is some average cost of electric, and they give that cost per kwh they use too, whatever it is. From that you can extrapolate. However I bet not many are buying based on that anyway. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 01/01/2019 00:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
When you buy a car, it doesn't have a rating from A to G, it has miles per gallon, so you can work out how much petrol it will cost you. mpg figures which are real-world-useless. -- F |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 00:05:09 -0000, Roger Wilco wrote: On 12/31/18 4:07 PM, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? The really high R-value foams are much more expensive...which adds cost to the unit. And some of the high-performance foam out-gasses which upsets the environmental whackos. Truth be told, most people ignore the Energy Guide label and just buy the shiny stainless steel model. Energy Star? What's that? Maybe if the energy guide label had actual numbers people would take notice. Not a chance and we know they don't because others do it that way. A to G is not useful. But it does at least let you rank them. But 50kWh per year is, people can quickly establish how much it will save them per year, and if it's worth buying the more expensive model. Not possible given that the number of kWHs depends on where its kept. You'll get a completely different result when its kept in the kitchen of a place well heated in winter and when its kept in the garage that isnt heated etc. When you buy a car, it doesn't have a rating from A to G, it has miles per gallon, so you can work out how much petrol it will cost you. No you can't because most don't actually drive that way. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote:
I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running?* It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago.* Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? Very simple. Because of global warming caused by the evilness of mankind the ambient temperature is higher, so the fridge has to work harder. Scientists at the University of East Anglia have worked out that the extra power consumption will cause a positive feedback spiral that will result in the end of life on the planet as we know it by 2020. Bill |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 23:12:33 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:34:50 -0000, danny burstein wrote: In ARW writes: On 31/12/2018 21:07, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? FFS belt up for one night of the year. The original poster really doesn't have a clue, amirite? I eventually found a site that dared to shame the bad ones - including what you'd think would be good, Bosch and Whirlpool. Apparently running costs on new ones sold today are between 5p/litre and 19p/litre. Seriously, why haven't they stopped making inefficient crap? That's almost a factor of four!! That's what you get for buying Lucas refrigerators BG Here in North America they all pretty muchmeet the same standards - and they are pretty darn efficient compared to even 20 years ago. About half the space wasted for insulation with twice the insulation rating. The high performance molded foam insulations are FAR superior to the old packed fiberglass and the metal cases don't rust through any more from the insulation holding moisture. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:05:09 -0500, Roger Wilco
wrote: On 12/31/18 4:07 PM, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running?* It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago.* Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays?* Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? The really high R-value foams are much more expensive...which adds cost to the unit. And some of the high-performance foam out-gasses which upsets the environmental whackos. Truth be told, most people ignore the Energy Guide label and just buy the shiny stainless steel model. Energy Star? What's that? That may be true over in ol' Limey but I'd say here in Ontario Canada, at least, the amount of expensive electricity a device consumes is a BIG factor for the average educated buyer. The good insulation foams are no longer blown with hydroflourocarbons = and quite often not even with CO2 |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 00:35:34 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 00:05:09 -0000, Roger Wilco wrote: On 12/31/18 4:07 PM, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? The really high R-value foams are much more expensive...which adds cost to the unit. And some of the high-performance foam out-gasses which upsets the environmental whackos. Truth be told, most people ignore the Energy Guide label and just buy the shiny stainless steel model. Energy Star? What's that? Maybe if the energy guide label had actual numbers people would take notice. A to G is not useful. But 50kWh per year is, people can quickly establish how much it will save them per year, and if it's worth buying the more expensive model. When you buy a car, it doesn't have a rating from A to G, it has miles per gallon, so you can work out how much petrol it will cost you. Energuide labels on Canadian Market appliances DO give you the comparative powerconsumption in KwH per year - and often the operating cost at a given [pwer cost. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 31/12/2018 21:44, William Gothberg wrote:
It's a perfectly valid question, why are we still using equipment that needs running so often? Proportional control rather than bang/bang control? Freezer situated in the wrong position? No ventilation behind freezer to remove the heat? Freezer door not sealing correctly? Freezer that is not full is inefficient. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Troll-feeding Senile YANKIETARD Alert!
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 02:57:57 -0500, Clare Snyder, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, babbled: I eventually found a site that dared to shame the bad ones - including what you'd think would be good, Bosch and Whirlpool. Apparently running costs on new ones sold today are between 5p/litre and 19p/litre. Seriously, why haven't they stopped making inefficient crap? That's almost a factor of four!! That's what you get for buying Lucas refrigerators BG Just watch what you get for feeding the Scottish ****** again, poor senile idiot! LOL |
Troll-feeding Senile YANKIETARDS Alert!
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:45:53 -0800 (PST), tardo_4 an especially stupid,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: HEre in the US ....there are TOO many lonely neglected senile idiots who mess up Usenet by thankfully feeding every retarded troll that wants to be fed by them! |
Troll-feeding Senile YANKIETARDS Alert!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 01:04:18 +0000, F, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: mpg figures which are real-world-useless. Not as useless as your inane feeding of the sociopathic troll! |
Troll-feeding Senile YANKIETARDS Alert!
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 03:04:24 -0500, Clare Snyder, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, babbled: Energuide labels on Canadian Market appliances DO give you the comparative powerconsumption in KwH per year - and often the operating cost at a given [pwer cost. The mentally disturbed Scottish attention whore sets out his KNOWN idiotic baits ...and you senile Yanks inevitably will run along and swallow them EVERY TIME! LMAO |
Troll-feeding IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 02:05:20 +0000, Bill Wright, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Very simple. Because of global warming caused by the evilness of mankind the ambient temperature is higher, so the fridge has to work harder. Scientists at the University of East Anglia have worked out that the extra power consumption will cause a positive feedback spiral that will result in the end of life on the planet as we know it by 2020. Bill The troll thanks you nicely for feeding him with yet another absolutely useless, idiotic feedback, senile idiot! THAT'S what makes him strong and keeps him going! BG |
More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rot Speed!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 12:54:28 +1100, dkol, better known as cantankerous
nym-shifting trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote: FLUSH the two prize idiots' latest troll**** unread again -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 31/12/2018 23:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:34:50 -0000, danny burstein wrote: I eventually found a site that dared to shame the bad ones - including what you'd think would be good, Bosch and Whirlpool.* Apparently running costs on new ones sold today are between 5p/litre and 19p/litre. Seriously, why haven't they stopped making inefficient crap?* That's almost a factor of four!! You can buy freezers with a serious amount of insulation but: i) You may not like the price. ii) the capacity inside is a lot smaller than the equivalent with less insulation. Freezers have standard size outside dimensions to fit in the space of a kitchen cabinet etc. I was looking (with no intention of buying) at some fridges in a showroom a couple of days ago and there was one fridge with a a high energy efficiency rating with a door around 2.5 inches thick, and not recessed for the door shelves. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 01/01/2019 00:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Maybe if the energy guide label had actual numbers people would take notice.* A to G is not useful.* But 50kWh per year is, people can quickly establish how much it will save them per year, and if it's worth buying the more expensive model.* When you buy a car, it doesn't have a rating from A to G, it has miles per gallon, so you can work out how much petrol it will cost you. Its not just A to G but extra A+ ratings. When I last compared the "average running costs" of various A, A+, A++ units there was so little difference that it wasn't worth worrying about and I purchased based on USABLE space inside. Running costs can depend on how often the door is opened and if the unit is kept full etc. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On 01/01/2019 01:54, dkol wrote:
Not possible given that the number of kWHs depends on where its kept. You'll get a completely different result when its kept in the kitchen of a place well heated in winter and when its kept in the garage that isnt heated etc. But ALL manufactures would test them in a way that gives the best figures. They may not be real world figures but it forms a basis of comparing one unit against another. With a fridge/freezer there is possibly little scope of fiddling the figures in the same way are car manufacturers do so by reducing the weight of the car during testing by removing seats, spare wheel, radio, extras etc. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Troll-feeding Senile YANKIETARD Alert!
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:05:09 -0500, Roger Wilco, yet another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled: Truth be told, most people ignore Truth be told, he is a filthy Scottish troll; and you are a troll-feeding, senile idiot! |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
wotsit alan_m sed...
On 31/12/2018 21:44, William Gothberg wrote: It's a perfectly valid question, why are we still using equipment that needs running so often? Proportional control rather than bang/bang control? Freezer situated in the wrong position? No ventilation behind freezer to remove the heat? Freezer door not sealing correctly? Freezer that is not full is inefficient. Refrigerant leak. Or the dim**** has it on superfreeze. |
Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:45:18 +0000, anal_m, the absolutely braindead,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again: You can buy freezers with a serious amount of insulation but: i) You may not like the price. He CERTAINLY likes your swallowing every single silly bait of his, senile anal_m! |
Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:54:50 +0000, anal_m, the absolutely braindead,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again: Its not just A to G but extra A+ ratings. No ****, senile idiot! |
Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:28:51 +0000, anal_m, the absolutely braindead,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again: Proportional control rather than bang/bang control? Freezer situated in the wrong position? No ventilation behind freezer to remove the heat? Freezer door not sealing correctly? Stupid troll and troll-feeding senile idiot again? |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:12:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
harry wrote: On Monday, 31 December 2018 21:08:00 UTC, William Gothberg wrote: I thought modern freezers were meant to have better insulation, so why is mine always running? It doesn't seem to have a lower duty cycle than the old ones of 30 years ago. Sure, the power consumption (according to the label) is less, but shouldn't they have better insulation nowadays? Or was all that banned by the greenies for that ozone nonsense? It's probably lost refrigerant gas. ie a leak. Hucker probably got it free. And yes, could be a gas leak or it is just shagged. No, I'm referring to all fridges and freezers in general. They just don't seem to run less than they did 30 years ago. I thought we'd got better insulation now. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 10:45:18 -0000, alan_m wrote:
On 31/12/2018 23:12, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:34:50 -0000, danny burstein wrote: I eventually found a site that dared to shame the bad ones - including what you'd think would be good, Bosch and Whirlpool. Apparently running costs on new ones sold today are between 5p/litre and 19p/litre. Seriously, why haven't they stopped making inefficient crap? That's almost a factor of four!! You can buy freezers with a serious amount of insulation but: i) You may not like the price. ii) the capacity inside is a lot smaller than the equivalent with less insulation. Freezers have standard size outside dimensions to fit in the space of a kitchen cabinet etc. I was looking (with no intention of buying) at some fridges in a showroom a couple of days ago and there was one fridge with a a high energy efficiency rating with a door around 2.5 inches thick, and not recessed for the door shelves. So we haven't improved the insulation, just made it thicker. |
Freezers - still using shit insulation?
In "Commander Kinsey" writes:
No, I'm referring to all fridges and freezers in general. They just don't seem to run less than they did 30 years ago. I thought we'd got better insulation now. You really don't have a clue, do you? How's about starting off the new year with a resolution to research issues a bit more closely. Like, in this case, how much power those motors are drawing when running today versus 30 years ago. -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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