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Red States Are Welfare Queens
This is an old report, but is this the real truth?
Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 07:01:54 +0100, Bod wrote:
This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T They just look at federal spending but that includes military bases, federal agencies, social security payments and things like the space program. I suppose the NASA space flight center in Alabama is "welfare" but I doubt the people working there think so. You notice Maryland and Virginia are also on the list and they are both very blue and very rich. They just get a lot of government money because they surround DC. |
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. |
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:27:25 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 07:01:54 +0100, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T They just look at federal spending but that includes military bases, federal agencies, social security payments and things like the space program. I suppose the NASA space flight center in Alabama is "welfare" but I doubt the people working there think so. Of course it's not true "welfare", but it is the state getting a big economic boost, good, high paying jobs, thanks to the federal govt. That's the point. |
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Red States Are Welfare Queens
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? New Jersey is not doing anything for me. As for the voter, if they are not paying more than $10k SALT they still got a tax cut. That is most if not all of the red state voters and quite a few in the blue states. It is certainly any working class renter. |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:39:19 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:27:25 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 07:01:54 +0100, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T They just look at federal spending but that includes military bases, federal agencies, social security payments and things like the space program. I suppose the NASA space flight center in Alabama is "welfare" but I doubt the people working there think so. Of course it's not true "welfare", but it is the state getting a big economic boost, good, high paying jobs, thanks to the federal govt. That's the point. The government established those bases and agencies in the south to exploit cheap labor, the same as GM, Ford and Chrysler. The USCS salary guide allows them to pay less once you get away from the expensive places. Md and Va are simply overflow from DC. It started when Lady Bird made the feds tear down the "temporary" WWII buildings on the mall and they needed the office space. Most of it ended up in Montgomery County Md, always in the top 3 richest counties in the US. Welfare queens? Maybe but they are dark blue. Of course the Pentagon and the CIA are right there in Virginia. That area is also dotted with military bases. |
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Red States Are Welfare Queens
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. |
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Red States Are Welfare Queens
On 10/15/2018 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...0/#red-vs-blue |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. I think Florida is a donor state too. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. We are still subsidizing your taxes. I don't know why New Jersey is not getting many government contracts or many government facilities. Maybe the people in Washington have been to New Jersey ;-) New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. Impeached for what? Being a republican? |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:56:15 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 10/15/2018 8:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? New Jersey is not doing anything for me. As for the voter, if they are not paying more than $10k SALT they still got a tax cut. That is most if not all of the red state voters and quite a few in the blue states. It is certainly any working class renter. Whatever happened to that good old Repub ideal of "No double taxation?" We didn't tell the dark blue states to make their taxes so high. |
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 3:47:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. I think Florida is a donor state too. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. We are still subsidizing your taxes. I don't know why New Jersey is not getting many government contracts or many government facilities. Maybe the people in Washington have been to New Jersey ;-) One reason is we have two senators that are missing in action. Menendez, IDK what he does, but he's not helping NJ and the last few years he's been busy trying to stay out of jail. He might lose the election here, one poll had him with just a 2 pt lead, another though puts it at 9. The other skunk is just as useless. He was totally out of sight, unseen, until he decided to run for president. So now he's pulling nonsense with the Kavanaugh hearing and touring Iowa. Prior to that we had Lousenberg, who didn't do anything for NJ either. The last thing anyone remembers that he did was sponsoring the ban on smoking on airplanes back in the 80s. He had retired, but then that other lib crook Toricelli was running for re-election and tanking in the polls, so the libs got him to quit and dug up Lousenberg. They did that despite Toricelli quitting at the last minute, just a few weeks from election. Election law provided that no ballot changes could be made past a certain date, but the libs went running to the lib NJ Supreme Court, from which much evil flows and they said the law doesn't matter, go ahead. So, we got Lousenberg back and after that election, he too was never heard from again. None of those slime balls has done a damn thing to bring home any bacon for NJ. In fact, we keep losing bacon, Ft Monmonmouth base closing being the latest prime example. It's function was moved to MD, closed the whole thing. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. Impeached for what? Being a republican? I keep saying he could be impeached for siding with Russia over the USA, vilifying our intel agencies, claiming they are liars, while praising Putin. He refused to do his job, refuses to protect future elections. Then there is the obvious obstruction of justice on multiple occasions. And his constant tearing down of the justice system, the fabric of govt could be added to the list. Maybe conspiracy to evade campaign finance laws too. There is plenty there if they want to do it and Mueller ain't done yet. |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:58:54 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 10/15/2018 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...0/#red-vs-blue You are still confusing government facilities and military bases with welfare. Your number might even include SS/MC (some do) |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 3:47:36 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. I think Florida is a donor state too. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. We are still subsidizing your taxes. I don't know why New Jersey is not getting many government contracts or many government facilities. Maybe the people in Washington have been to New Jersey ;-) One reason is we have two senators that are missing in action. Menendez, IDK what he does, but he's not helping NJ and the last few years he's been busy trying to stay out of jail. He might lose the election here, one poll had him with just a 2 pt lead, another though puts it at 9. The other skunk is just as useless. He was totally out of sight, unseen, until he decided to run for president. So now he's pulling nonsense with the Kavanaugh hearing and touring Iowa. Prior to that we had Lousenberg, who didn't do anything for NJ either. The last thing anyone remembers that he did was sponsoring the ban on smoking on airplanes back in the 80s. He had retired, but then that other lib crook Toricelli was running for re-election and tanking in the polls, so the libs got him to quit and dug up Lousenberg. They did that despite Toricelli quitting at the last minute, just a few weeks from election. Election law provided that no ballot changes could be made past a certain date, but the libs went running to the lib NJ Supreme Court, from which much evil flows and they said the law doesn't matter, go ahead. So, we got Lousenberg back and after that election, he too was never heard from again. None of those slime balls has done a damn thing to bring home any bacon for NJ. In fact, we keep losing bacon, Ft Monmonmouth base closing being the latest prime example. It's function was moved to MD, closed the whole thing. Keep voting for those weasels and you get what you deserve. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. Impeached for what? Being a republican? I keep saying he could be impeached for siding with Russia over the USA, vilifying our intel agencies, claiming they are liars, while praising Putin. He refused to do his job, refuses to protect future elections. Then there is the obvious obstruction of justice on multiple occasions. And his constant tearing down of the justice system, the fabric of govt could be added to the list. Maybe conspiracy to evade campaign finance laws too. There is plenty there if they want to do it and Mueller ain't done yet. You haven't cited a crime yet, just politics you disagree with and none of that is anywhere near the high bar they need to clear in the Senate. I don't doubt there will be some Kubuki theater in the house if the dems get it but it will just be a distraction. |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:58:54 -0700, Bob F wrote: https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...0/#red-vs-blue You are still confusing government facilities and military bases with welfare. Your number might even include SS/MC (some do) This makes it clear enough. https://taxfoundation.org/states-rely-most-federal-aid/ |
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 4:45:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 3:47:36 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. I think Florida is a donor state too. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. We are still subsidizing your taxes. I don't know why New Jersey is not getting many government contracts or many government facilities. Maybe the people in Washington have been to New Jersey ;-) One reason is we have two senators that are missing in action. Menendez, IDK what he does, but he's not helping NJ and the last few years he's been busy trying to stay out of jail. He might lose the election here, one poll had him with just a 2 pt lead, another though puts it at 9. The other skunk is just as useless. He was totally out of sight, unseen, until he decided to run for president. So now he's pulling nonsense with the Kavanaugh hearing and touring Iowa. Prior to that we had Lousenberg, who didn't do anything for NJ either. The last thing anyone remembers that he did was sponsoring the ban on smoking on airplanes back in the 80s. He had retired, but then that other lib crook Toricelli was running for re-election and tanking in the polls, so the libs got him to quit and dug up Lousenberg. They did that despite Toricelli quitting at the last minute, just a few weeks from election. Election law provided that no ballot changes could be made past a certain date, but the libs went running to the lib NJ Supreme Court, from which much evil flows and they said the law doesn't matter, go ahead. So, we got Lousenberg back and after that election, he too was never heard from again. None of those slime balls has done a damn thing to bring home any bacon for NJ. In fact, we keep losing bacon, Ft Monmonmouth base closing being the latest prime example. It's function was moved to MD, closed the whole thing. Keep voting for those weasels and you get what you deserve. I never voted for any of the above weasels. And the Republicans just screwed us too, so there's that. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. Impeached for what? Being a republican? I keep saying he could be impeached for siding with Russia over the USA, vilifying our intel agencies, claiming they are liars, while praising Putin. He refused to do his job, refuses to protect future elections. Then there is the obvious obstruction of justice on multiple occasions. And his constant tearing down of the justice system, the fabric of govt could be added to the list. Maybe conspiracy to evade campaign finance laws too. There is plenty there if they want to do it and Mueller ain't done yet. You haven't cited a crime yet, just politics you disagree with and none of that is anywhere near the high bar they need to clear in the Senate. I don't doubt there will be some Kubuki theater in the house if the dems get it but it will just be a distraction. |
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 4:45:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 3:47:36 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay And again, part of that is because your state gets more per capita back in federal taxes than NJ does. We are negative, I suspect FL is positive. And even the money going into NASA gives you more local taxes because those people are being paid well, spending money and being taxes, eg sales taxes. I think Florida is a donor state too. and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? No one is asking you to pay our taxes. We send more money to the federal govt than we ever get back. Most red states, it's reversed. We are still subsidizing your taxes. I don't know why New Jersey is not getting many government contracts or many government facilities. Maybe the people in Washington have been to New Jersey ;-) One reason is we have two senators that are missing in action. Menendez, IDK what he does, but he's not helping NJ and the last few years he's been busy trying to stay out of jail. He might lose the election here, one poll had him with just a 2 pt lead, another though puts it at 9. The other skunk is just as useless. He was totally out of sight, unseen, until he decided to run for president. So now he's pulling nonsense with the Kavanaugh hearing and touring Iowa. Prior to that we had Lousenberg, who didn't do anything for NJ either. The last thing anyone remembers that he did was sponsoring the ban on smoking on airplanes back in the 80s. He had retired, but then that other lib crook Toricelli was running for re-election and tanking in the polls, so the libs got him to quit and dug up Lousenberg. They did that despite Toricelli quitting at the last minute, just a few weeks from election. Election law provided that no ballot changes could be made past a certain date, but the libs went running to the lib NJ Supreme Court, from which much evil flows and they said the law doesn't matter, go ahead. So, we got Lousenberg back and after that election, he too was never heard from again. None of those slime balls has done a damn thing to bring home any bacon for NJ. In fact, we keep losing bacon, Ft Monmonmouth base closing being the latest prime example. It's function was moved to MD, closed the whole thing. Keep voting for those weasels and you get what you deserve. New Jersey is not doing anything for me. That about sums up Trump and the new GOP's line of thinking. They wrote off the GOP congressmen from NJ. When they lose some in a few weeks and it helps push the Democrats into control of the House, they start impeachment hearings, see what they think then. Impeached for what? Being a republican? I keep saying he could be impeached for siding with Russia over the USA, vilifying our intel agencies, claiming they are liars, while praising Putin. He refused to do his job, refuses to protect future elections. Then there is the obvious obstruction of justice on multiple occasions. And his constant tearing down of the justice system, the fabric of govt could be added to the list. Maybe conspiracy to evade campaign finance laws too. There is plenty there if they want to do it and Mueller ain't done yet. You haven't cited a crime yet, just politics you disagree with and none of that is anywhere near the high bar they need to clear in the Senate. I don't doubt there will be some Kubuki theater in the house if the dems get it but it will just be a distraction. Say what? First, it does not require a specific crime to impeach a president. |
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On 10/15/2018 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:56:15 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 10/15/2018 8:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? New Jersey is not doing anything for me. As for the voter, if they are not paying more than $10k SALT they still got a tax cut. That is most if not all of the red state voters and quite a few in the blue states. It is certainly any working class renter. Whatever happened to that good old Repub ideal of "No double taxation?" We didn't tell the dark blue states to make their taxes so high. OK, Got it. You have abandoned that value also. |
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Red States Are Welfare Queens
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:41:09 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 10/15/2018 12:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:56:15 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 10/15/2018 8:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 2:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: This is an old report, but is this the real truth? Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it? Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann. As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States €” the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut €” are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill. https://www.businessinsider.com/red-...ns-2011-8?IR=T -- Bod It's true. And I pointed that out just yesterday in another thread when Fretwell was celebrating again that Trump eliminated the deductibility of state and local taxes from your income when calculating federal income tax. Before Trump, it went like this: Gross income $100K State and local income tax $5000 Real Estate Tax $12000 Taxable income $100K-$5K-$12K = 83K So you used to pay federal income tax on $83K With Trump, you pay it on the full $100K, screwing many Americans living in high tax states. And one reason the taxes are high is we send far more money to the federal govt than we get back. We're paying our way ourselves and like you pointed out, the red states get a much larger share of the federal tax money back than they pay in. Here in NJ, it's reversed. There was only one NJ Republican congressman stupid enough to vote for the tax cuts. He's being heavily targeted by the Dems and will likely be one of the seats they lose in the House. Trump got very little through Congress with his party in control of both Houses. It will be amusing to watch what happens when the Dems control the House next year. And as I pointed out to you they think a military base or a large government agency in that state is welfare. That is why Maryland and Virginia both blue, are in the top 10. You also ignore the fact that you get to take $24,000 right off the top so that is $76,000 you pay on and if you do itemize they let you deduct $10,000 for SALT. Just taking the standard deduction you pay $8730 on your $100k assuming you have no other credits or adjustments. That is 8.7% of your income. Tell that to Clare. He pays at least 3 times that and if you were in Europe it would be much more. You still want us to subsidize the fact that your state has nose bleed taxes. Your real estate tax is 7.5 times what I pay and I pay no state income tax but you want me to pay yours. Why should I? New Jersey is not doing anything for me. As for the voter, if they are not paying more than $10k SALT they still got a tax cut. That is most if not all of the red state voters and quite a few in the blue states. It is certainly any working class renter. Whatever happened to that good old Repub ideal of "No double taxation?" We didn't tell the dark blue states to make their taxes so high. OK, Got it. You have abandoned that value also. I am not really a Republican. I have not voted for a D or an R for president since 1988 ... and I was wrong. I split my vote in the senate races but if you don't call yourself a republican here for anything else you don't vote. The dems won't even run anyone in most of the local races and they are decided in a "closed" primary. You can certainly vote for a democrat in the house race but you might as well write in Kermit the Frog. He has as good a chance of winning. |
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