On 07/10/2018 10:15 PM, micky wrote:
I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.

Micky, GPSs can't work miracles.


If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.

There are a confusing number of models but you can get a Garmin Nuvi for
less than $100 with lifetime map updates. The updates are done with
wifi. The ones with real time traffic updates are more expensive and
may not be useful depending on where you live.

Digital maps have varying quality data. Urban areas are usually more up
to date than rural.

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 8:42:41 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:

On 07/10/2018 10:15 PM, micky wrote:
I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.

Micky, GPSs can't work miracles.


If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.

There are a confusing number of models but you can get a Garmin Nuvi for
less than $100 with lifetime map updates. The updates are done with
wifi. The ones with real time traffic updates are more expensive and
may not be useful depending on where you live.

Digital maps have varying quality data. Urban areas are usually more up
to date than rural.

A simple solution that will be shot down.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:43:26 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 07/10/2018 10:15 PM, micky wrote:
I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.

Micky, GPSs can't work miracles.


If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.

There are a confusing number of models but you can get a Garmin Nuvi for
less than $100 with lifetime map updates. The updates are done with
wifi. The ones with real time traffic updates are more expensive and
may not be useful depending on where you live.

Digital maps have varying quality data. Urban areas are usually more up
to date than rural.
After owning both Garmin and Tom-Tom I'll never own another garmin.

The TomTom updates by connecting to a computer on the internet.
On our recent (just got home yesterday) 9000km trip there was only
one situationwhere the GPS got confused - in Coldwater Michigan where
it had trouble finding the Quality Inn, hidden way back in behind the
amusement park - where it tried to send us in through a campground.

On 07/11/2018 08:24 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
After owning both Garmin and Tom-Tom I'll never own another garmin.

I've bought Garmins from back before Clinton took the SA off and they
weren't very useful. I geocache and have had good luck with the brand so
when it was time to buy one for the car that's what came to mind.

http://whichsatnav.com/garmin-vs-tomtom-which-is-better

That site calls it a draw. TomTom is better on traffic jam reporting
which isn't a big thing for me. If I do have to go through a big city I
do it at off hours.


The TomTom updates by connecting to a computer on the internet.
On our recent (just got home yesterday) 9000km trip there was only
one situationwhere the GPS got confused - in Coldwater Michigan where
it had trouble finding the Quality Inn, hidden way back in behind the
amusement park - where it tried to send us in through a campground.

I have mounts for my Garmin handheld on all my bikes, motor and pedal
operated. With a dual sport bike campgrounds and amusement parks are
just fun challenges. I try not to ride through peoples' yards although I
have been tempted.

In rec.autos.tech, on Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:43:26 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 07/10/2018 10:15 PM, micky wrote:
I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.

Micky, GPSs can't work miracles.

Is it a miracle to tell me where I am?

If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.

There are a confusing number of models but you can get a Garmin Nuvi for
less than $100 with lifetime map updates. The updates are done with
wifi. The ones with real time traffic updates are more expensive and
may not be useful depending on where you live.

I don't want another device, just a radio which may or may not have GPS.

I hadn't thoughty about traffic updates, but that would definitely
require a receiver and a higher price. There is pretty much only one
route to take to work, so knowing about the traffic doesn't help.

In Chicago where the streets are on a grid, one can just take a parallel
street if there is traffic, but not here.

Digital maps have varying quality data. Urban areas are usually more up
to date than rural.

This DVD does have more streets within Baltimore, but I have a paper
atlas of Baltimore which has all that too, and more, and I rarely go
some place I haven't been to 10 times. The DVD wasn't up to date on
the rural areas even when the car was made. At least it doesn't have
enough detail.

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 9:42:41 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 07/10/2018 10:15 PM, micky wrote:
I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.

Micky, GPSs can't work miracles.


If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.

There are a confusing number of models but you can get a Garmin Nuvi for
less than $100 with lifetime map updates. The updates are done with
wifi. The ones with real time traffic updates are more expensive and
may not be useful depending on where you live.


That's why I use my Android cell phone and Google Maps. It has live
updating of the traffic conditions ahead, shows yellow or red on sections
of roads with slow traffic and offers alternatives to go around, if it
makes sense. It's great for walking directions in cities too. And no
need to buy anything else, it's in even the cheap phones.